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Compare McDaniels vs Shurmur as Rams OC

twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 3:38 pm
You rarely get such a direct 1on 1comparison of 2 HC candidates.

McDaniels was Rams OC in 2011and Shurmur was Rams OC in 2010.
They both served under the same HC in Spagnuolo. The had the same offense with same QB.

The 2011 Rams under McDaniels as OC went 2-14 after going 7-9 in 2010. The Rams offense under McDaniels was among the worst in the league in 2011. They scored only 193 points (12.1 points per game), last in the league, and 11th-fewest all-time for a 16-game season.[1] Their & #8722;214 point differential was last in the league.

Josh McDaniels and the whole Rams staff was fired right after the season and he went back to NE.

So how did Shurmur do?

The 2010 Rams went 7-9 after going just 1-15 in 2009. This was the second-biggest turnaround in the league in 2010. He guided St. Louis’ offense to improvements in nearly every category including total yards, time of possession and third-down percentage, while they also scored 114 more points than the previous year. In addition, the Rams committed just 21 turnovers in 2010, tied for the ninth-lowest total in the NFL.[1]

Shurmur also made a tangible impact on Sam Bradford’s immediate success as a rookie in 2010. The first-overall pick out of the University of Oklahoma set NFL rookie records for most consecutive passes without an interception (169) and most completions (354). Under Shurmur’s tutelage, Bradford finished the season with a 60.0 completion percentage, 3,512 yards and 18 touchdown passes, winning the AP NFL Offensive Rookie of the Year Award.


So Rams before Shurmur 1-15. So Rams and with Josh McDaniels after Shurmur 2-14.

This is a direct 1 to 1comparison in the same job just a year apart.
Shurmur was hired as HC of Browns  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 3:41 pm : link
Based off his performance in Rams OC
Not making excuses, but I think one  
darren in pdx : 1/6/2018 3:45 pm : link
factor to consider is that Bradford was dealing with leg injuries during McDaniels year as OC. I haven't done more in-depth research to know how severe the injury was, however. I also didn't research what talent they were both working with.

I like the idea of him  
chopperhatch : 1/6/2018 3:46 pm : link
Quite a bit more than McD
Shurmur is another WCO guy  
Rflairr : 1/6/2018 3:53 pm : link
If Eli is going to be the QB. Shurmur makes no sense. Keenam’s mobility has been a big reason for the Vikings success
But that cannot be! If he's not Irish!?!  
idiotsavant : 1/6/2018 3:55 pm : link
. mcDamn, yo?
The 2010 Rams were hardly an offensive juggernaut.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/6/2018 4:01 pm : link
26th in both points and yards. What they did have was a healthy line in front of Bradford and Jackson. In 2011, the line was shredded by injuries, which led, predictably, to Bradford getting mauled. I think McDaniels should get a pass for that year, like Spagnuolo usually does for his one horrific season in New Orleans. Can’t make doughnuts from dogsh!t.
RE: Shurmur is another WCO guy  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13775158 Rflairr said:
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If Eli is going to be the QB. Shurmur makes no sense. Keenam’s mobility has been a big reason for the Vikings success



Schumer’s offenses in Rams, Eagles, Vikings & Browns have all been very different. He’s not simply a “West Coast” guy. He put up huge numbers runnng Chip Kelly’s offense.
RE: The 2010 Rams were hardly an offensive juggernaut.  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 4:05 pm : link
In comment 13775169 Big Blue Blogger said:
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26th in both points and yards. What they did have was a healthy line in front of Bradford and Jackson. In 2011, the line was shredded by injuries, which led, predictably, to Bradford getting mauled. I think McDaniels should get a pass for that year, like Spagnuolo usually does for his one horrific season in New Orleans. Can’t make doughnuts from dogsh!t.


So McDaniels get a pass for 2009 and 2010 in Denver and 2011 in St Louis?

Shurmur made some doughnuts with some team, same offense, same QB.
Eh  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2018 4:32 pm : link
I don’t have a strong opinion on who I’d rather have, but to compare what they did 7 seasons ago has absolutely zero impact on who the better guy would be. 7 years is a long time and I’m pretty sure we’ve all gotten better at our jobs over that time period. I’m not sure what the point of this thread is unless you think that they are both the exact same guys and neither has grown at their jobs?
Two step Giants: That’s not at all what I meant.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/6/2018 5:06 pm : link
First, McDaniels definitely has to wear the Denver disaster. He was awful, and will have to convince somebody that he is a very different person before he gets another chance as HC.

Second, my whole point was that the 2010 and 2011 Rams were not the same team. Seriously, look at the injuries on the line and the resultant beating Bradford took. I doubt Bill Walsh could have salvaged that mess. It didn’t help that Spagnuolo lost the team, even before Bradford went down.
Fair enough  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 5:15 pm : link
But these are the only jobs anyone has to go on outside of NE for McDaniels.

Its not impressive

Shurmur left him something to work with, It’s not a wholesale 100% different team, different system.

Injuries etc alone dont explain the difference of a single season under 2 different guys.
The Giant defense plummeted more steeply in 2017...  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/6/2018 5:22 pm : link
...after entering the season with nearly identical personnel, and the same coordinator. Johnathan Hankins was a nice player, but he wasn’t the difference between a top defense and an awful one. Sh!t happens.
I happen to share your preference for Shurmur over McDaniels.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/6/2018 5:27 pm : link
I just think their respective performances as OC of the Rams is pretty far down the list of reasons.
We have 2 of our candidates  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 6:49 pm : link
Who coached the same spot for the same team for the same coach 1 year apart with widely disparate results.

I dont see how its not relevant
RE: We have 2 of our candidates  
BigBlueShock : 1/6/2018 6:56 pm : link
In comment 13775365 twostepgiants said:
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Who coached the same spot for the same team for the same coach 1 year apart with widely disparate results.

I dont see how its not relevant

7 years ago. Are you suggesting that McDaniels hasn’t learned anything or gotten better at his job in the last 7 years? Shurmur was also 45 years old when he was the OC there and had tons of experience. McDaniels still won’t be 45 for 3 more years. He was a pup back then.
BBB  
twostepgiants : 1/6/2018 7:02 pm : link
I agree. Its not the only reason. I dont like McDaniels temperment

The weakness in the McDaniels candidacy is that hes only been good in one place for one team for one HC and one QB.

The evidence to suggest its just a NE thing is his time elsewhere
the rams drafts  
Dankbeerman : 1/7/2018 8:24 am : link
were awful back then. They got burned with Bradford injuries but also wiffed on a ton of top of the draft picks. Those teams had not near enough talent. replaced spags got a bunch of picks for rg3 and got a bit better
I also prefer Shurmur to McDaniels  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 8:39 am : link
But I don't think it's completely fair to give Shurmur credit for turning around the Rams' offense in 2010 without noting that he was also the OC in 2009 when they went 1-15. Granted, that was prior to Bradford, but I don't think you can just leave that out.
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