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Jolly Blue Giant : 1/6/2018 8:12 pm
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I just saw footage  
RetroJint : 1/6/2018 8:15 pm : link
from the first Super Bowl. Lombardi had his cap on backwards .
The thought is that it was pretty much pre-ordained.  
bigbluescot : 1/6/2018 8:19 pm : link
the GM is ex-NE and was close to Patricia. It's also a decent place for a defensive coach, as most of the building blocks are there on the offense so if you make the right OC hire you should be able to concentrate on fixing a very so-so defense.
I'm not too upset about this.  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/6/2018 8:19 pm : link
Strong candidate, but something about him concerns me. Can't really put my finger on what it is.

Maybe it's just that I can't shake the feeling that Belichick still runs that defense, and he's kind of along for the ride. Or maybe that no Belichick disciple has had sustained success after they left New England.

Wilks is my preference. Has been since the start.

Although, with a team that hasn't scored 30 points in basically two years, maybe an off offensive mind wouldn't hurt.
Good fit for Patricia there  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 8:23 pm : link
with the GM having been a former Patriot. McDaniels decision is the big question mark as he has a few teams after him.
Pass on him, I'm not into the hat on backwards thing  
JerrysKids : 1/6/2018 8:30 pm : link
something about that annoys me when I see a adult man with his hat on backwards.
I think Wilks is gonna be our guy  
Rjanyg : 1/6/2018 8:30 pm : link
Gettlemen knows him, defensive coach.
Hope it's McDaniels then.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2018 8:39 pm : link
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RE: Pass on him, I'm not into the hat on backwards thing  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 8:40 pm : link
In comment 13775526 JerrysKids said:
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something about that annoys me when I see a adult man with his hat on backwards.


So, you don't like Patricia because he wears a hat backwards and don't like Shurmur because he "doesn't have enough charisma"

Some real hard-hitting analysis going on here...
RE: I think Wilks is gonna be our guy  
bluesince56 : 1/6/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13775527 Rjanyg said:
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Gettlemen knows him, defensive coach.


I agree
I like Wilks  
Brown Recluse : 1/6/2018 8:47 pm : link
If not him, then Shurmur
Good news  
Rflairr : 1/6/2018 8:48 pm : link
McDaniels or Wilks!!
It's the beard  
igotyourbackman : 1/6/2018 8:49 pm : link
makes him look suspicious.
Wilks looks good  
TMS : 1/6/2018 8:49 pm : link
and hope he keeps Spgs as DC.
RE: I'm not too upset about this.  
EricJ : 1/6/2018 8:50 pm : link
In comment 13775519 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Strong candidate, but something about him concerns me. Can't really put my finger on what it is.


It's his beard....and you dont want to put your finger on it
IMho  
Larry in Pencilvania : 1/6/2018 8:50 pm : link
None of these candidates excite me
New Englandís defense  
Giant John : 1/6/2018 8:52 pm : link
Was about as bad as ours. We donít need a repeat of what we already have.
RE: Wilks looks good  
Sammo85 : 1/6/2018 8:53 pm : link
In comment 13775553 TMS said:
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and hope he keeps Spgs as DC.


Zero chance that happens.
RE: RE: I'm not too upset about this.  
GFAN52 : 1/6/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13775555 EricJ said:
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Strong candidate, but something about him concerns me. Can't really put my finger on what it is.




It's his beard....and you dont want to put your finger on it


LOL.
No thanks on Wilks.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2018 8:57 pm : link
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One of my favorite things about Wilks is.....  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/6/2018 8:57 pm : link
....reports have said he could bring Panthers linebackers coach Al Holcomb with him as defensive coordinator. A former Giants assistant coach.

I'm appreciative for what Spagnuolo has done in the past, but I think a change is needed. He's coordinated some of the worst statistical defenses in the league. Including finishing second to last this year in total defense.
Dave in Hoboken  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/6/2018 8:58 pm : link
Just out of curiosity, why?
RE: Dave in Hoboken  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2018 9:02 pm : link
In comment 13775570 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Just out of curiosity, why?


Our offense is the bigger problem, haven't scored 30 points in 2 seasons. The league is much more of an offensive league than it is a defensive league. I want an offensive minded HC.

Wilks has been a DC for one season. I want someone with alittle more experience than that as our next HC. McAdoo was our OC for longer than Wilks was a DC, and he still managed to look like he was in over his head quite a bit. This is a big hire for the next number of years. I want someone with more experience leading us into the future.
wasnt a fan of Patricia  
blueblood : 1/6/2018 9:03 pm : link
he might be a good coach.. but just never was a fan.
Has someone checked in Josh in the City  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/6/2018 9:04 pm : link
And made sure he didnít jump off a bridge yet?
RE: RE: Dave in Hoboken  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/6/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13775579 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just out of curiosity, why?



Our offense is the bigger problem, haven't scored 30 points in 2 seasons. The league is much more of an offensive league than it is a defensive league. I want an offensive minded HC.

Wilks has been a DC for one season. I want someone with alittle more experience than that as our next HC. McAdoo was our OC for longer than Wilks was a DC, and he still managed to look like he was in over his head quite a bit. This is a big hire for the next number of years. I want someone with more experience leading us into the future.


Ahhh Rivera took the Turner offensive philosophy with him to Carolina. They made it their own with Cam. Iím sure Wilks could get someone to bring that philosophy here and that would be good for our offense in general.
RE: RE: Dave in Hoboken  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/6/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13775579 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just out of curiosity, why?



Our offense is the bigger problem, haven't scored 30 points in 2 seasons. The league is much more of an offensive league than it is a defensive league. I want an offensive minded HC.

Wilks has been a DC for one season. I want someone with alittle more experience than that as our next HC. McAdoo was our OC for longer than Wilks was a DC, and he still managed to look like he was in over his head quite a bit. This is a big hire for the next number of years. I want someone with more experience leading us into the future.


Ahhh Rivera took the Turner offensive philosophy with him to Carolina. They made it their own with Cam. Iím sure Wilks could get someone to bring that philosophy here and that would be good for our offense in general.
Joe Walton  
TommytheElephant : 1/6/2018 9:20 pm : link
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One of the exciting things about Wilks is  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/6/2018 9:21 pm : link
He probably bring a young, progressive offensive coach with him to be offensive coordinator.

Maybe John DeFilippo, QB coach of the Eagles, or Ken Dorsey, QB coach from the Panthers.
RE: One of the exciting things about Wilks is  
Sean : 1/6/2018 9:32 pm : link
In comment 13775605 Vin_Cuccs said:
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He probably bring a young, progressive offensive coach with him to be offensive coordinator.

Maybe John DeFilippo, QB coach of the Eagles, or Ken Dorsey, QB coach from the Panthers.


And theyíll be gone in a year if thereís success.
We could have a new Head Coach identified  
Simms11 : 1/6/2018 9:40 pm : link
by next week potentially?!
Question..  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2018 9:41 pm : link
Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean that Patricia chose the Lions over the Giants?
RE: Question..  
arcarsenal : 1/6/2018 9:43 pm : link
In comment 13775619 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean that Patricia chose the Lions over the Giants?


That would mean the Giants offered him the job already, so my guess would be no.
ďLikelyĒ  
Sean : 1/6/2018 9:49 pm : link
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Sean  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/6/2018 9:50 pm : link
Yeah, but you've gotta bring in a coordinator.
RE: I'm not too upset about this.  
Reb8thVA : 1/6/2018 10:20 pm : link
In comment 13775519 Vin_Cuccs said:
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Strong candidate, but something about him concerns me. Can't really put my finger on what it is.

Maybe it's just that I can't shake the feeling that Belichick still runs that defense, and he's kind of along for the ride. Or maybe that no Belichick disciple has had sustained success after they left New England.

Wilks is my preference. Has been since the start.

Although, with a team that hasn't scored 30 points in basically two years, maybe an off offensive mind wouldn't hurt.


I think itís Wilks. I think heís the last interviewe for a reason. See if the other candidates wow them first if not Wilks gets the job.
RE: Question..  
nygiants16 : 1/6/2018 10:24 pm : link
In comment 13775619 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean that Patricia chose the Lions over the Giants?


Not necessarily
RE: RE: Question..  
spike : 1/6/2018 10:25 pm : link
In comment 13775675 nygiants16 said:
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Correct me if I'm wrong, but does this mean that Patricia chose the Lions over the Giants?



Not necessarily

Little bill told him to lay off the Giants.. its his job
RE: RE: Dave in Hoboken  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 11:32 pm : link
In comment 13775579 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just out of curiosity, why?



Our offense is the bigger problem, haven't scored 30 points in 2 seasons. The league is much more of an offensive league than it is a defensive league. I want an offensive minded HC.

Wilks has been a DC for one season. I want someone with alittle more experience than that as our next HC. McAdoo was our OC for longer than Wilks was a DC, and he still managed to look like he was in over his head quite a bit. This is a big hire for the next number of years. I want someone with more experience leading us into the future.

You're worried about a guy who has limited coordinator experience because of McAdoo, so your preference is a guy whose HC resume is almost identical to McAdoo's. Do I have that right?
RE: RE: I'm not too upset about this.  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/6/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13775672 Reb8thVA said:
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Strong candidate, but something about him concerns me. Can't really put my finger on what it is.

Maybe it's just that I can't shake the feeling that Belichick still runs that defense, and he's kind of along for the ride. Or maybe that no Belichick disciple has had sustained success after they left New England.

Wilks is my preference. Has been since the start.

Although, with a team that hasn't scored 30 points in basically two years, maybe an off offensive mind wouldn't hurt.



I think itís Wilks. I think heís the last interviewe for a reason. See if the other candidates wow them first if not Wilks gets the job.

He's got the last interview because the other candidates are available this week (because they're either on bye or unemployed) and he can't be interviewed until next week by rule because the Panthers are playing this weekend.

I think it's likely to be Wilks also, but I wouldn't read too much into the interview schedule.
RE: Has someone checked in Josh in the City  
Josh in the City : 1/6/2018 11:36 pm : link
In comment 13775581 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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And made sure he didnít jump off a bridge yet?


I'm holding on...Barely!
RE: RE: RE: Dave in Hoboken  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2018 11:37 pm : link
In comment 13775777 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Just out of curiosity, why?



Our offense is the bigger problem, haven't scored 30 points in 2 seasons. The league is much more of an offensive league than it is a defensive league. I want an offensive minded HC.

Wilks has been a DC for one season. I want someone with alittle more experience than that as our next HC. McAdoo was our OC for longer than Wilks was a DC, and he still managed to look like he was in over his head quite a bit. This is a big hire for the next number of years. I want someone with more experience leading us into the future.


You're worried about a guy who has limited coordinator experience because of McAdoo, so your preference is a guy whose HC resume is almost identical to McAdoo's. Do I have that right?


You miss the part about offense?
McDaniels has also been an OC  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/6/2018 11:42 pm : link
much longer than McAdoo was before he got the job. I don't think any of these guys are the perfect hire, but I'll trust anyone, including McDaniels, far more than McAdoo at this point.
RE: RE: I'm not too upset about this.  
BeckShepEli : 1/6/2018 11:54 pm : link
In comment 13775672 Reb8thVA said:
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Strong candidate, but something about him concerns me. Can't really put my finger on what it is.

Maybe it's just that I can't shake the feeling that Belichick still runs that defense, and he's kind of along for the ride. Or maybe that no Belichick disciple has had sustained success after they left New England.

Wilks is my preference. Has been since the start.

Although, with a team that hasn't scored 30 points in basically two years, maybe an off offensive mind wouldn't hurt.



I think itís Wilks. I think heís the last interviewe for a reason. See if the other candidates wow them first if not Wilks gets the job.


For the last time McDaniels, Patricia and Shurmur had to interview this week. Wilks was unable to interview until next week. Nothing else to it
Wilks reminds me of Todd Bowles  
Vanzetti : 1/6/2018 11:56 pm : link
And no Iím not saying that because they are both black DCs. They just seem to have the same demeanor. No nonsense guys. I donít see Apple acting up or DRC or Javkrabbit missing practices with Wilks in
Charge.

I think he would be good for Odell, who needs a coach he both loves and fears.

The lack of HC experience is worrying, especially after BM. But I have s feeling the Giants D would be nasty under Wilks
RE: RE: RE: RE: Dave in Hoboken  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 12:29 am : link
In comment 13775784 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Just out of curiosity, why?



Our offense is the bigger problem, haven't scored 30 points in 2 seasons. The league is much more of an offensive league than it is a defensive league. I want an offensive minded HC.

Wilks has been a DC for one season. I want someone with alittle more experience than that as our next HC. McAdoo was our OC for longer than Wilks was a DC, and he still managed to look like he was in over his head quite a bit. This is a big hire for the next number of years. I want someone with more experience leading us into the future.


You're worried about a guy who has limited coordinator experience because of McAdoo, so your preference is a guy whose HC resume is almost identical to McAdoo's. Do I have that right?



You miss the part about offense?

I ignored it because I don't think McDaniels is an offensive genius. The Patriots' offense got better, not worse, when McDaniels left. And he was OC for one of the worst offenses in NFL history with the Rams.
I would go wilks  
nygiants16 : 1/7/2018 12:32 am : link
And bring. In a vet offensive coordinator with head coach experience..

I think wade Phillips does a lot for the rams...
I Pretty Much Thought  
pa_giant_fan : 1/7/2018 6:20 am : link
Detroit was the favorite to land him with Bob Quinn as their GM.
I'm still hoping for either Wilks or Shurmur.
I want  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2018 7:12 am : link
Shurmur, though I expect it to be Wilks because of the Gettleman connection.
spags lying in the weeds  
sundayatone : 1/7/2018 9:22 am : link
sadly
RE: spags lying in the weeds  
Ryan in Albany : 1/7/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13775915 sundayatone said:
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sadly


He was part of the problem. He's not getting the job. But whatever moistens your panties.
This has been predicted for quite some time even before his  
Blue21 : 1/7/2018 9:29 am : link
interview with them
RE: I Pretty Much Thought  
Carson53 : 1/7/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13775852 pa_giant_fan said:
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Detroit was the favorite to land him with Bob Quinn as their GM.
I'm still hoping for either Wilks or Shurmur.
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I don't know if Mara will allow Dave G. to hire a coordinator with only one year of experience
as a coordinator in Wilks?
After what went down with McAdoo, I would be surprised
if he allowed it. Who knows, if he interviews really well, it's possible.
Shurmur is interesting, seems like he could handle NYC.
RE: RE: spags lying in the weeds  
Carson53 : 1/7/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 13775924 Ryan in Albany said:
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sadly



He was part of the problem. He's not getting the job. But whatever moistens your panties.


I will be VERY disappointed if Spags is back here,
the only assistant I would consider keeping is Patrick
Graham as the D Line coach, he has only been here about
a year. To me, the rest of the assistants can go!
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sundayatone : 1/7/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13775924 Ryan in Albany said:
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sadly



He was part of the problem. He's not getting the job. But whatever moistens your panties.


lady,would you like to smell them?
RE: I would go wilks  
Reale01 : 1/7/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13775828 nygiants16 said:
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And bring. In a vet offensive coordinator with head coach experience..

I think wade Phillips does a lot for the rams...


Agree, would NOT bring him in unless that is what he planned to do. Young up and comers at coordinator positions either fail, or they succeed and leave. I would like coordinators who are good at that job, but are not good HC candidates and wont leave.
RE: Hope it's McDaniels then.  
Fishmanjim57 : 1/7/2018 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13775536 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Me too. I want to see a good HC on the Giants. Someone who can make the offence a weapon again.
RE: RE: Hope it's McDaniels then.  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 11:08 pm : link
In comment 13777495 Fishmanjim57 said:
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Me too. I want to see a good HC on the Giants. Someone who can make the offence a weapon again.

Then why do you want McDaniels? Have you seen what his offense looks like without the friendly confines of Belichick, Brady and Ernie Adams? Let me help: 11th worst offense of all time in 2011 with the Rams. And his HC record is a carbon copy of McAdoo's.
Hire McDaniels ad draft a QB...  
Torrag : 1/8/2018 8:21 am : link
...is the recipe for a succesful future for the franchise.
There are countless...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 8:43 am : link
examples of HC's who made their name as defensive coaches who have decent or better offenses. Dan Quinn is one. Bill Belicheck is certainly another. Mike Tomlin.

Hiring a capable OC is often the thing that makes the difference.
RE: Pass on him, I'm not into the hat on backwards thing  
Section331 : 1/8/2018 9:34 am : link
In comment 13775526 JerrysKids said:
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something about that annoys me when I see a adult man with his hat on backwards.


I'm not sold on Patricia either, but this has to be the worst reasoning I've seen. Well done!
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