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NFT: Rangers @ Arizona

NYerInMA : 1/6/2018 8:29 pm
Anyone else watching this trainwreck? Shattenkirk takes a penalty for knocking the net off the moorings, then Duclair (of course) scores on the ensuing Arizona PP.
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I don't know if I would trade Chytil  
pjcas18 : 1/7/2018 7:38 pm : link
for Pacioretty or not. The Canadiens right now are allegedly saying it would take a young prospect and a high pick.

High price, but it's early. That probably comes down if the Canadiens fall further out of playoff contention.

Pacioretty is a 29 year old, consistent 60+ point scorer who can play top line minutes and all special teams.

He's a team leader.

He's just got one year left after this on his contract though (at a decent price), so you'd be "going for it" if you do make that trade.

I probably would trade Chytil for him. Chytil may never become a consistent 60+ point scorer. In fact odds are against it.

I definitely don't think it would be madness, but when you consider salary implications and age of the players, it's definitely only a win now team that would do it.
I don't doubt he'll return a first rounder  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 8:44 pm : link
Or a high prospect ... but the rangers shouldn't be the ones reaching. They made a strategic decision to sacrifice near term for medium/longer term by making the Stepan trade after the expansion draft... stick to the plan.

If the penguins continue to sink out of playoff contention I could see the Caps pushing all their chips in by the way.
Rangers should wait on a Max P trade  
dpinzow : 1/7/2018 8:57 pm : link
until Montreal falls further out of contention (and right now, they look lifeless). They could probably get him for a lot less. And he'd be a terrific addition should it happen
I agree with MAB..."stick to the plan" and trade for more youth and  
yatqb : 1/7/2018 9:07 pm : link
picks. Trade Nash and any of the defensemen who will bring back a reasonable haul...obviously it would have to be a damn good one for McDonagh.
AV has lost his mind  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 9:30 pm : link
Buchnevich scratched as well as Kampfer in for Smith. I have no words left
Jesus AV  
Giants in 07 : 1/7/2018 9:34 pm : link
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Fire Veeenyo  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2018 9:34 pm : link
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Ok, here we go. Warmup: Buchnevich and Smith not taking rushes.

Miller-Zibanejad-Fast
Carey-Hayes-Zuccarello
Vesey-Desharnais-Nash
Grabner-Nieves-Lettieri

McDonagh-Holden
Skjei-Shattenkirk
Staal-Kampfer

Pavelec.

ó Justin Tasch (@J_Tasch) January 8, 2018


Paul Carey. On the second line with Zuccarello and Hayes. How much longer are we going to have to endure this nonsense?
They just said Vegas is 17-2-1 at home  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 9:37 pm : link
Holy shit. Well done NHL - teams spent in some cases a decade planning their depth and you pillaged everyone. AV even joked about the 'new expansion rules' when asked about their success in pregame.
In retrospect  
bigbluehoya : 1/7/2018 9:38 pm : link
Itís a shame that this team got red hot back when the seemingly credible rumors were everywhere that AV was one loss away from being canned.
I'm fine with the defensive adjustment  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 9:38 pm : link
On a back finback... But the Buchnevich treatment is a fireable offense
A journeyman with 12 points in 61 NHL games is on the second line  
Greg from LI : 1/7/2018 9:41 pm : link
And the kid with 26 points in 41 games this year is in the stands. Terrific.
3rd leading scorer  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 9:49 pm : link
while playing less than 15 minutes a night and consistently yanked around from line to line. It's a joke

Free Buch
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 9:49 pm : link
Wouldn't it have made more sense for Pavelec to start against Arizona and use Hank tonight?
RE: They just said Vegas is 17-2-1 at home  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13777400 MetsAreBack said:
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Holy shit. Well done NHL - teams spent in some cases a decade planning their depth and you pillaged everyone. AV even joked about the 'new expansion rules' when asked about their success in pregame.


Never would have imagined them being this good though. They certainly got a boost from the protection rules to allow them to at least be competitive. But this kind of success, never saw that coming
RE: .  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 9:51 pm : link
In comment 13777423 arcarsenal said:
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Wouldn't it have made more sense for Pavelec to start against Arizona and use Hank tonight?


They probably would have lost if they did, considering how bad they played
The incredible part  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 9:52 pm : link
Is if the rumors of AV's firing were true... buchnevich is a huge reason he's still here. He was on fire in November.

He just won't let young kids take chances and make mistakes. If you're Marc Staal or Dan Girardi ... no problem... but young forwards mistakes end up in lengthy healthy scratches
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 9:52 pm : link
The Vegas expansion is a lot like JAX/CAR in the NFL back in the mid 90's.

I think you want the expansion team to be good right away in order to build a fan base - but they shouldn't be this good.

It was the same deal with the football teams. The NFL did a poor job there. The teams were both too good too fast.
RE: 3rd leading scorer  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 9:54 pm : link
In comment 13777422 Kyle in NY said:
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while playing less than 15 minutes a night and consistently yanked around from line to line. It's a joke

Free Buch


AV would have benched Ovi for 10 games at a time early in his career when he was taking too many chances and not playing responsible defense
RE: RE: .  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 9:55 pm : link
In comment 13777427 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 13777423 arcarsenal said:


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Wouldn't it have made more sense for Pavelec to start against Arizona and use Hank tonight?



They probably would have lost if they did, considering how bad they played


I mean, it could wind up working out - we already know the result of last night's game now and you're right, we probably would have lost.

Just not sure what the logic was going in. I would think it would have made sense to use Hank against the far superior team.
Now Hayes out  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 9:57 pm : link
Thank God for this bye week.
Thing is  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 10:01 pm : link
I don't even think Buch makes that many mistakes. He's consistently making plays with the puck, at the very least keeping the play primarily in the offensive zone. Zibanejad is probably dying to get him back on his line. His production hasn't been the same.

It's horrendous coaching. If Buchnevich wasn't such a determined, seemingly hard working kid, he may have already bailed for the KHL by now.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 10:02 pm : link
Wowzers. What a shot.
Just I say that  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 10:02 pm : link
Zib rips a wicked wrister. Nice play
What a fucking wrist shot that was ... holy shit  
baadbill : 1/7/2018 10:02 pm : link
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Now we get a PP  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 10:04 pm : link
Let's go
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 10:05 pm : link
Gallant is such a fucking whiner. I can't stand him.
Twisted wrister from Zibby  
dpinzow : 1/7/2018 10:06 pm : link
1-0 Rangers
Safe and dependable Paul Carey  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 10:10 pm : link
with a turnover leading to a goal
Brutal fucking turnover  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 10:11 pm : link
As yet again the puck is treated as a grenade
At least Hayes is ok - I saw him on that shift
RE: .  
MetsAreBack : 1/7/2018 10:22 pm : link
In comment 13777423 arcarsenal said:
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Wouldn't it have made more sense for Pavelec to start against Arizona and use Hank tonight?


Not unheard of for starting goalies to get their choice of games - and especially out of conference - choose to stat pad. 😀

But also I think hank faced Vegas in October and OP faced Arizona at the garden... so maybe they wanted to give these teams new looks too
Absolutely dominated  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 11:25 pm : link
in that second period
No one there  
Stufftherun : 1/7/2018 11:41 pm : link
to pick up the trailing off wing.
Brady Skeji  
Kyle in NY : 1/7/2018 11:48 pm : link
looks like he's already on his bye week. The coach is a huge problem, but a lot of these guys are playing like absolute garbage. Simple stuff not being executed
Could have used another goal scorer tonight  
Kyle in NY : 1/8/2018 12:13 am : link
Good grief.

Actually thought they hung in there alright considering the competition, a back to back, and losing Hayes early on. The defensive lapse for the winning goal was brutal though. Stuff like that just happens too often. Team looks sloppy and the coach is holding them back

Maybe the week off does the players some good. AV, I've lost all hope for him though
I went to bed after the first period  
MetsAreBack : 1/8/2018 9:23 am : link
Am I losing my mind or was Hayes not out there for Vegas' first goal?
Rest of the Metro went 5-0-1 yesterday  
MetsAreBack : 1/8/2018 9:24 am : link
Of course
Losing Hayes last night hurt ... he's been playing well  
baadbill : 1/8/2018 9:57 am : link
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Defense, Alain Vigneault style  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 9:59 am : link
Isn't AV on his third defensive coach?  
BrettNYG10 : 1/8/2018 10:03 am : link
It's awful.

Benching Buchnevich is infuriating.
how does an NHL team just completely ignore one side of the ice??  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 10:06 am : link
They had four guys back and yet somehow there's a wide-open one timer?
RE: Defense, Alain Vigneault style  
pjcas18 : 1/8/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13777813 Greg from LI said:
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that's like men's league defense. hard to blame the actual D there, it looked the play started as a 2 on 2 and the back-checking forward also picked up the 2nd forward (without the puck) and no one picked up the 3rd guy (who wound up scoring).

happens all the time in my league (LOL).

It was really probably Nieves guy, but without seeing how the whole play developed not sure I can say that with certainty.
....  
BrettNYG10 : 1/8/2018 10:12 am : link
Buchnevich is treated much worse by AV, but Vesey is much lazier and worse defensively. Both should be in the top-9, but the relative treatment is just bizarre.
yes, it was probably Nieves' man  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 10:13 am : link
I didn't mean "defense" as in the defensemen specifically, just the overall team defense which is so shoddy.
Well you are going to occasionally have breakdowns on D  
MetsAreBack : 1/8/2018 10:55 am : link
we have them too much... but last night they seemed to play an OK game on the road against a good team on a back-to-back, etc.

The issue with this team is offense - scored more than 2 regulation goals in 5 of the past 16 games now. The top lines are cold, the defense hasn't contributed at all offensively, etc.

Also havent won a regulation game since Anaheim 12/19... thats 8 straight games without winning 5-on-5, which is what you have to do come playoff time anyway.
Offense struggling  
Kyle in NY : 1/8/2018 11:00 am : link
You'd think that would compel the coach to give his most talented young forward more ice time and reunite his best line combination. Instead he gets scratched and Paul Carey is in the top 6

What the hell is this guy thinking? Did he even get pressed on it last night post game? The beat guys covering the team are horrendous.
He was.  
BrettNYG10 : 1/8/2018 11:02 am : link
Said it was the right thing to do given the match-up.
The team is already missing their top goal scorer from last season  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 11:10 am : link
So, yeah, put the highly skilled guy in the press box so an AHL grinder can get more ice time.
RE: He was.  
Kyle in NY : 1/8/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13777976 BrettNYG10 said:
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Said it was the right thing to do given the match-up.


Amazing.

I was late to come to the "AV must go" bandwagon. I know some here called for it after 2015-16. That seemed harsh. But this has got to stop. Management cannot possibly like what he's doing here, right!?
RE: RE: He was.  
NYerInMA : 1/8/2018 6:02 pm : link
In comment 13778007 Kyle in NY said:
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In comment 13777976 BrettNYG10 said:


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Said it was the right thing to do given the match-up.



Amazing.

I was late to come to the "AV must go" bandwagon. I know some here called for it after 2015-16. That seemed harsh. But this has got to stop. Management cannot possibly like what he's doing here, right!?


I think the Rangers will never win a Cup as long as he's behind the bench, but apparently management is content to let him run the roster into the ground. Every time the press asks him about these bizarre lineup moves, he just says something like "I just felt that for the tonight it was the right thing to do". Infuriating.
Might have been a motivation tactic  
MetsAreBack : 1/8/2018 7:02 pm : link
I guess I'll wait to see if he rolls out this same ridiculous lineup against the islanders next weekend before going too crazy.

But of course he's benched Buch for extended periods in the past. Gorton can't be too happy.
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