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Garafolo-Gettleman eager to get Wilks in front of ownership

Vin_Cuccs : 1/7/2018 9:50 am
Interesting video from Garafolo with Rapoport.

Two informative Tweets from Garafolo as well:

Giants say theyíd prefer experience but Wilks could be the guy that convinces them otherwise. GM Dave Gettleman is eager to get him in front of ownership, we hear.


Big week for #Panthers DC Steve Wilks: Playoff game today. Then, win or lose, Wilks will spend the next week trying to fit in 4 scheduled interviews with #Giants, #Lions, #Colts, and #AZCardinals.

Giants likely first.

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RE: RE: Because hiring a HC without any experience....  
Eman11 : 1/7/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13776007 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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....has served us so well recently!

This is a plumb gig. We are the NY Football Giants!

Tisch can dial up Saban anytime now!



It's 20 million just to get Saban out of Alabama. Contract buyout. Not happening.


Saban and his agent have all the power in his dealings with Bama. That buyout is if they fire him. See this from a USA Today article:

Surely his agent, Jimmy Sexton, asks for things. Byrne, the athletics director, confirms that Sexton has made asks in contract negotiations, but Byrne said Sabanís most recent negotiation was an easy one. Saban, who turns 66 on Halloween, got a three-year extension in May. His current eight-year deal runs through Jan. 31, 2025. If Alabama were to fire Saban without cause while the deal has it least four years remaining, it would owe him $26.9 million, subject to offset from subsequent income.

Based on that,the rest of his percs and his original contract with Bama, I really doubt theres anything in his deal that requires him to pay Bama if he leaves for a NFL job. Possibly for another college but I don't think that's even a question. Him retiring is more likely than him changing schools IMO.
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AnishPatel : 1/7/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13776005 arcarsenal said:
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I won't be angry if it's Wilks - but I still think it's a bit of a hard sell given what we just dealt with.


Yeah I want someone with HCing experience IF possible.
Was Wilks coaching the Panthers  
CT Charlie : 1/7/2018 12:19 pm : link
during the baseball-bat warmup game? If so, what does it say about his relationship with players?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 12:22 pm : link
I'm great - just pointing out that this idea that "NOBODY" liked the hire when it happened, but now "EVERYONE" is on board with it because he got rid of a OT and scout just isn't true.

You're free to believe whatever you'd like, though. :)

RE: Was Wilks coaching the Panthers  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13776204 CT Charlie said:
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during the baseball-bat warmup game? If so, what does it say about his relationship with players?


He was the DB coach that day.

So, yes - he was on the staff. But he wasn't the DC. McDermott was.
Sounds eerily similar to Tomlin  
mterrence : 1/7/2018 12:23 pm : link
After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.
Wilks could also bring  
Pete in MD : 1/7/2018 12:37 pm : link
in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.
RE: Sounds eerily similar to Tomlin  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13776214 mterrence said:
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After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.


Could not disagree more vehemently. Tomlin comes across as a guy who is better at keeping peace and cohesion amongst the players. But he is soft as a marshmallow when it comes to discipline. I think Tomlin gets vastly overrated as a head coach. The Steelers have had quite a few discipline issues the last few years. The bottom line is as long as you win nobody cares.

I want the exact opposite of a Tomlin.
RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2018 12:44 pm : link
In comment 13776067 BeckShepEli said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick

Exactly! I mean Iím still scratching my head as to why Belichick didnít trade Brady immediately back in the day. Itís a complete waste for a defensive HC to have a decent QB. A waste. The QB will never amount to anything if the HC is a defensive guy.
More examples of picks wasted on QBs by teams with defensive coaches:  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 12:50 pm : link
Dan Marino (Don Shula)
Peyton Manning (Jim Mora)
Ben Roethlisberger (Bill Cowher)
Matt Ryan (Mike Smith)
Russell Wilson (Pete Carroll)
Cam Newton (Ron Rivera)
Philip Rivers (Marty Schottenheimer)
Carson Palmer/Andy Dalton (Marvin Lewis)
Drew Bledsoe (Bill Parcells)
Troy Aikman (Jimmy Johnson)

And, in the "special situations" category:
Tom Brady (Bill Belichick)
Roger Staubach (Tom Landry)
Brett Favre (Jerry Glanville, though Atalanta traded him a year later)
Tony Romo (Bill Parcells - UDFA)
Kerry Collins (Dom Capers - ultimately sort of a waste, but for entirely different reasons)
RE: RE: Sounds eerily similar to Tomlin  
Toastt34 : 1/7/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13776241 Sammo85 said:
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After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.



Could not disagree more vehemently. Tomlin comes across as a guy who is better at keeping peace and cohesion amongst the players. But he is soft as a marshmallow when it comes to discipline. I think Tomlin gets vastly overrated as a head coach. The Steelers have had quite a few discipline issues the last few years. The bottom line is as long as you win nobody cares.

I want the exact opposite of a Tomlin.

+1
RE: Wilks could also bring  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13776237 Pete in MD said:
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in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.


Chud or Norv Turner would be great hires with Wikes. Even better if he could get both. If that were to happen, you probably could get away with a young DC like AL Holcomb
Like I said  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 1:11 pm : link
Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool
RE: Like I said  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13776286 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool

Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
RE: RE: Wilks could also bring  
Pete in MD : 1/7/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13776272 Rflairr said:
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in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.



Chud or Norv Turner would be great hires with Wikes. Even better if he could get both. If that were to happen, you probably could get away with a young DC like AL Holcomb


Holcomb would make sense as DC. It would be his first DC gig but many think he has what it takes to succeed. He has also worked in the Giants organization before.
RE: Like I said  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13776286 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool

You call him a fool yet know nothing about him, lol. Clownshow.
BBB,you consider those players to have been  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2018 1:13 pm : link
'Wasted'? Wow. That's a high standard!
Sheesh
RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
BestFeature : 1/7/2018 1:16 pm : link
In comment 13776067 BeckShepEli said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick


Off the top of my head between Brady and Peyton Manning, they had Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, and John Fox as their coaches. All defensive coaches.
RE: RE: Like I said  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13776289 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.


Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Riveraís defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
RE: BBB,you consider those players to have been  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 1:28 pm : link
idiotsavant said:
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'Wasted'? Wow. That's a high standard!Sheesh
I call your sarcasm and raise you three ironies and a snark.
Best Feature: Add Jim Mora to that list.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 1:36 pm : link
BestFeature said:
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Off the top of my head between Brady and Peyton Manning, they had Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, and John Fox as their coaches. All defensive coaches.
Mora - also a former DC - was head coach in Indy for Peyton's first four years there. Ironically, while the offense thrived from 1999 on, the defense was never good. In Mora's final season, it was astoundingly bad, yielding over 30 points per game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13776069 Sean said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick



Might be the dumbest thing Iíve read on this board.


Seconded
RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13776300 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Riveraís defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools

I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?

And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.
I love how this thread has him hired  
larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 1:58 pm : link
And now are building his staff.
Out of the group interviewed he has the weakest resume.
Granted Gettleman knows him which helps but what about his resume screams HC?
I love how people are saying it's his leadership skills ?
What example are you using to show his leadership?
I honestly don't believe this so called Brain trust will make the right decision either way.

RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13776300 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Riveraís defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools


Answer his very legitimate question.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Wilks hire will be a lot like DG  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 2:26 pm : link
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.



I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...



Which part?



"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.

Neither is true.



Very few people here wanted DG. Very few.Dig through the pages of threads. And once DG had his presser and Ross was fired look at how excited everyone was. Maybe you missed it...


Also not true. Very few were posting about wanting Gettleman. At the very least, the idea that very few people here even had a problem 2ith the Gettleman hire is an exaggeration.

Go do your own research. It was like a broken record of the same posters speaking out against him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13776346 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Riveraís defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools


I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?

And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.


Well has discussed I called the wrong person a fool. He is clearly a genius. He will be getting the HC job and they arenít even using his defense. The fools are those who want him.

And dad like we discussed 4 days ago I have been on BBI since 2003 but registered this last year. I am sorry if I violated any BBI laws or regulations by doing that
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13776471 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people donít agree with you guys you scold them. I didnít want mcadoo and I donít want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Riveraís defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools


I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?

And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.



Well has discussed I called the wrong person a fool. He is clearly a genius. He will be getting the HC job and they arenít even using his defense. The fools are those who want him.

And dad like we discussed 4 days ago I have been on BBI since 2003 but registered this last year. I am sorry if I violated any BBI laws or regulations by doing that


Nice backpedal.
Hahah  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 2:39 pm : link
>"He's a fool"
>"Why?"
>"You have a hardon for this guy"
>"answer his question"
> "Oh fine he's a genius"

Good talk.
I am neither excited  
Rick5 : 1/7/2018 2:43 pm : link
nor concerned about any of these guys. There's no reliable way to predict which ones will or won't be successful. We will just have to see which one they hire and hope for the best.
Beckshep  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:20 pm : link
Mike Tomlin used a Tampa 2 scheme his entire career before coming to Pittsburgh where they ran the 3-4 and still do today. He altered his scheme around the strengths of his players. That is what the great DCís do. Itís also the reason why guys like Tim Lewis and Perry Fewell failed.
If Wilks is running Riveraís scheme  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:21 pm : link
And they are playing this well then he deserves a lot of credit.
RE: Beckshep  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13776577 Jay on the Island said:
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Mike Tomlin used a Tampa 2 scheme his entire career before coming to Pittsburgh where they ran the 3-4 and still do today. He altered his scheme around the strengths of his players. That is what the great DCís do. Itís also the reason why guys like Tim Lewis and Perry Fewell failed.


I'm pretty sure that Tomlin didn't get to hire his own DC. Dick LeBeau was still there.
RE: RE: Beckshep  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13776585 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Mike Tomlin used a Tampa 2 scheme his entire career before coming to Pittsburgh where they ran the 3-4 and still do today. He altered his scheme around the strengths of his players. That is what the great DCís do. Itís also the reason why guys like Tim Lewis and Perry Fewell failed.



I'm pretty sure that Tomlin didn't get to hire his own DC. Dick LeBeau was still there.


Yes Lebeau was there but IIRC he had the option to make a change but he decided to stick with the current scheme since they had the personnel in place and it would have taken time to bring in new players that better fit the Tampa 2.
RE: Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
djstat : 1/7/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13775958 Brown Recluse said:
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I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.
Accorsi didn't want Coughlin and look who the Giants hired...Coughlin
RE: RE: Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13776617 djstat said:
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I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.

Accorsi didn't want Coughlin and look who the Giants hired...Coughlin

Reese reportedly wanted two other candidates over McAdoo. I hope Mara doesnít force anyone on Gettleman unless it is Belichick of course.
RE: Regarding Norv Turner  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13776163 idiotsavant said:
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I could see positional coaching spot such wrs,QB.

Or assistant HC ....if he could be convinced.

Been looking at OL coaches such as Chris Morgan (Atlanta and Seattle) and Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's,) as examples of OL coaches who might go for OC job here, depending on what the HC is willing to implement.

Yeah, they should definitely take a proven OC and make him a position coach while they take an OL coach who has a very specialized responsibility and make him the OC. Seems like a great idea. Then run stretch left all day.

You have a solid knowledge of football strategy but tend do go too far with your wishes.
Considering what a mess we have  
Since1965 : 1/7/2018 4:14 pm : link
Apple, Flowers, shitty OL, possible transition from Manning, our former HC making a mess of everything, OBJ's antics, I am leery with an inexperienced coach. The Giants need to have someone who has demonstrated the ability to pull a team together and handle stuff.
There is PC pressure here for sure  
TMS : 1/7/2018 4:16 pm : link
to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross. Wish Wilks well and DG knows his shit. Now get ELI that third SB.
RE: Considering what a mess we have  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13776698 Since1965 said:
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Apple, Flowers, shitty OL, possible transition from Manning, our former HC making a mess of everything, OBJ's antics, I am leery with an inexperienced coach. The Giants need to have someone who has demonstrated the ability to pull a team together and handle stuff.


There is no experienced guy out there like that . They donít appear to be interested in Harbaugh or Cowher
RE: RE: Considering what a mess we have  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13776737 Rflairr said:
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Apple, Flowers, shitty OL, possible transition from Manning, our former HC making a mess of everything, OBJ's antics, I am leery with an inexperienced coach. The Giants need to have someone who has demonstrated the ability to pull a team together and handle stuff.



There is no experienced guy out there like that . They donít appear to be interested in Harbaugh or Cowher


Agreed and I think those priblems are over-blown.

- I think with Apple and Flowers, Gettleman has them on a short leash and the incoming coach will be made aware of that. They start causing problems, I dont think Gett hesitates in keeping them from the club.

-I can almost guarantee that our OL will be 100% better after one offseason. It's one of our new GM's platform statements. We WILL have a solid O line next year.

- New coach will most likely have a brandsy new QB to start the season behind a 2 time Super Bowl MVP. He also will have zero loyalty to Eli and will legitimately move on from him if it is in the best interest in the team.

-OBJ's antics are waaaaaaaay overblown and I think will be handled a bit differently with DG at the helm.


True leaders demonstrate it without having experience. I think thats what DG wants from his guy.
RE: There is PC pressure here for sure  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13776704 TMS said:
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to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross. Wish Wilks well and DG knows his shit. Now get ELI that third SB.


Your posts have been absolutely nauseating.
RE: There is PC pressure here for sure  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13776704 TMS said:
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to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross.


There's plenty of other places for bullshit like this. Not here please.
Shit..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2018 6:30 pm : link
now we know why Geno Smith took over for Eli too!!!

PC shit.
RE: There is PC pressure here for sure  
EricJ : 1/7/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13776704 TMS said:
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to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross. Wish Wilks well and DG knows his shit. Now get ELI that third SB.


Do you really think that John Mara will be concerned with being "PC" when he is risking his franchise and the millions that come with it?

It is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
an_idol_mind : 1/7/2018 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13776617 djstat said:
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I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.

Accorsi didn't want Coughlin and look who the Giants hired...Coughlin


More BBI myth. Accorsi did want Coughlin.
Should probably be noted that  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 8:55 pm : link
Of the 8 teams remaining in the playoffs, 5 are coached by a coach in his first coaching gig.
Strange how we never heard of McAdoo's inability  
SHO'NUFF : 1/7/2018 9:52 pm : link
to command a locker room.
RE: If we hire Wilks  
Jersey55 : 1/8/2018 4:34 pm : link
In comment 13776056 BeckShepEli said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick


why ??
I hope we hire a HC with a good coaching background  
Jersey55 : 1/8/2018 4:37 pm : link
and one who has been a HC before and has the necessary experience, McAdoo has soured me on bringing in a young hotshot with no resume...
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