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Garafolo-Gettleman eager to get Wilks in front of ownership

Vin_Cuccs : 1/7/2018 9:50 am
Interesting video from Garafolo with Rapoport.

Two informative Tweets from Garafolo as well:

Giants say they’d prefer experience but Wilks could be the guy that convinces them otherwise. GM Dave Gettleman is eager to get him in front of ownership, we hear.


Big week for #Panthers DC Steve Wilks: Playoff game today. Then, win or lose, Wilks will spend the next week trying to fit in 4 scheduled interviews with #Giants, #Lions, #Colts, and #AZCardinals.

Giants likely first.

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Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
Brown Recluse : 1/7/2018 9:51 am : link
I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.
Looks like someone who can LEAD..  
Sean : 1/7/2018 9:53 am : link
That is what matters here. He’s growing on me. Let Wilks be the head man with 2 strong coordinators.
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SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/7/2018 9:53 am : link
I want Shurmur, but would be fine with Wilks. Just get a good OC.
Art Stapleton said the same thing  
nygiants16 : 1/7/2018 9:55 am : link
Owners have to be really impressed to go with a coach with no experience...

I think that is why people.mentioned Schwartz and McDaniel so much..
RE: Looks like someone who can LEAD..  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13775963 Sean said:
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That is what matters here. He’s growing on me. Let Wilks be the head man with 2 strong coordinators.


He has a strong case considering his defensive background and the issues we had with discipline, unity, teamwork on the D side.

That said, he’d better make sure he finds a stud OC or he and Gettleman will end up getting McAdoo’d themselves in a couple years. Defense wins you championships, but to make the playoffs you have to score.

I’ve heard Ken Dorseys name mentioned as a OC option but I’m a little leery of handing the reigns to him. I don’t think the Eagles will let us poach DeFilippo away.

I’d prefer an older seasoned non-threatening OC. One who wouldn’t look to bolt for a HC job and can stay to develop an offense and QB.
Dorsey doesn't have enough experience  
GFAN52 : 1/7/2018 10:04 am : link
in my view to bring in as OC if Wilks got the job. I'd like to see someone in that role with previous OC experience.
Defilippo contract with the eagles expires this offseason  
DCPollaro : 1/7/2018 10:04 am : link
also he is in the running for a few jobs

I heard from a friend of DeFilippo that about 10 yrs ago he told him his dream job was the NYG HC position.
Because hiring a HC without any experience....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/7/2018 10:06 am : link
....has served us so well recently!

This is a plumb gig. We are the NY Football Giants!

Tisch can dial up Saban anytime now!
How about  
Pete in MD : 1/7/2018 10:07 am : link
Jim Bob Cooter as OC?
Wilks over McDaniels please. I'm not sold on McDaniels.  
Blue21 : 1/7/2018 10:08 am : link
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 10:12 am : link
I won't be angry if it's Wilks - but I still think it's a bit of a hard sell given what we just dealt with.
RE: Because hiring a HC without any experience....  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 13775993 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....has served us so well recently!

This is a plumb gig. We are the NY Football Giants!

Tisch can dial up Saban anytime now!


It's 20 million just to get Saban out of Alabama. Contract buyout. Not happening.
RE: How about  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13775994 Pete in MD said:
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Jim Bob Cooter as OC?


They apparently want to hire Patricia in Detroit with the understanding he’ll keep Cooter as OC
Wilks has nothing to do with McAdoo...  
Chris684 : 1/7/2018 10:23 am : link
If people in NFL circles say Wilks can command a locker room, I believe it. The first phase of this job is going to be clearing this locker room of the stink left over from McAdoo who was a wet noodle.

The Carolina program has been a pretty successful one, rooted in running the football, defense and linebacking play. All things that play well in the Northeast and I’d love to get back to. McDermott seems to be on his way in Buffalo.

The familiarity with Gettleman is also nice.

Wilks is a fine candidate.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/7/2018 10:24 am : link
He's the guy who has intrigued me the most.
Conviction on a Coach Same as QB  
clatterbuck : 1/7/2018 10:25 am : link
If you do the due diligence and think he's the guy, go get him. McAdoo is cautionary but you can't be paralyzed. Wilks could be the next McAdoo but he also could be the next Tomlin. Sounds like a dynamic, young leader.
He's been w/Ron RIvera his entire NFL coaching career  
TheMick7 : 1/7/2018 10:27 am : link
Bears (2006-08),Chargers(2009-11),Panthers(2012-2018) Wherever Rivera went,he kept Wilks with him. Don't know if that's a good or bad thing with regards to us & the HC position!
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Andy in Boston : 1/7/2018 10:30 am : link
In comment 13776021 Eric from BBI said:
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He's the guy who has intrigued me the most.




Why not the Pats coaches?
It’s clearly obvious Wilks is the guy  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 10:32 am : link
But we will be back here in 3/4 years looking for a new coach
Panthers 2016 ints high number  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2018 10:32 am : link
Including a bunch from lb.

For what it's worth.

Not always translatable... but giants have not had individual stat league ints leader since AD 400.
I don't mind wilks  
DCPollaro : 1/7/2018 10:36 am : link
But who is the OC? Who is gonna groom Webb and/or qb of the future. Who will get the OL to where it needs to be.

Wilks worked under norv turner.. Is he gonna come out of retirement? Dorsey? Can we snag defilippo for a year or 2 if he doesn't get a HC position.
RE: I don't mind wilks  
Sean : 1/7/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13776041 DCPollaro said:
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But who is the OC? Who is gonna groom Webb and/or qb of the future. Who will get the OL to where it needs to be.

Wilks worked under norv turner.. Is he gonna come out of retirement? Dorsey? Can we snag defilippo for a year or 2 if he doesn't get a HC position.


This is very valid. Need someone to develop a young QB.
RE: Panthers 2016 ints high number  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 10:38 am : link
In comment 13776039 idiotsavant said:
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Including a bunch from lb.

For what it's worth.

Not always translatable... but giants have not had individual stat league ints leader since AD 400.


Not a stat in my mind that correlates to coaching, really. Stevie Brown came in 2nd in the league in INTs a couple years ago. 1 off the leader.
Wilks would be the first  
RobCarpenter : 1/7/2018 10:39 am : link
African American head coach for the Giants, yes?

I don’t see this hire as anything like the Macadoofus hire. That wasn’t even a real process. Having a coach and GM on the same page is a big deal.

Norv Turner as OC would be awesome. He’s like Wade Philips in that he’s a poor HC but a great coordinator.
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section125 : 1/7/2018 10:39 am : link
In comment 13776034 Andy in Boston said:
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He's the guy who has intrigued me the most.





Why not the Pats coaches?


I think the fact that none of BB's assistants has done well elsewhere is a major cause for concern.
RE: It’s clearly obvious Wilks is the guy  
cokeduplt : 1/7/2018 10:40 am : link
In comment 13776037 BeckShepEli said:
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But we will be back here in 3/4 years looking for a new coach


He could be a great coach no one really knows .
Fingers crossed  
Peppers : 1/7/2018 10:41 am : link
Wilks is the Perfect fit.
Norv was last in  
DCPollaro : 1/7/2018 10:41 am : link
Minnesota and shurmur is doing a nice job there too
So if hiring Wilks is on par with hiring McAdoo  
Chris684 : 1/7/2018 10:44 am : link
What failed head coach can we compare to hiring McDaniels?
Norv Turner is going to be a very tough sell  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 10:44 am : link
He quit on his team in the middle of a season. That's a great way to stay unemployed.
I know it's easy to make the McAdoo  
Biteymax22 : 1/7/2018 10:45 am : link
comparison because of head coaching experience, but Wilkes' personality seems to be the exact opposite of Ben's, and in a good way.

I've flipped from hoping they would grab one of the Pats guys to rooting for Wilkes. I think he is the guy.
If we hire Wilks  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 10:46 am : link
No reason to draft a QB with first pick
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 10:48 am : link
I don't think anyone is saying Wilks = McAdoo as much as it's fair to have reservations about a guy with such little experience at the NFL level.

Lack of HC experience doesn't bother me, but I like to see a guy who has at least been a coordinator for a few years. Wilks has only been that this year.

If this is Gettleman's guy, and he can sell it to ownership, great - I'm not going to throw a tantrum. I'll be supportive of it.

But I don't think there's anything wrong with being a bit leery.
RE: If we hire Wilks  
jeff57 : 1/7/2018 10:51 am : link
In comment 13776056 BeckShepEli said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick


Huh?
RE: If we hire Wilks  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13776056 BeckShepEli said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick


Why not?
RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 10:52 am : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Wilks makes sense  
Reale01 : 1/7/2018 10:52 am : link
DG seems to like the following model:

Head Coach is CEO, leader, inspires, sets tone, establishes team identity and culture, sets rules and provides discipline. This has worked well in Pittsburg.

Wilks should be smart enough to find an experienced OC who will be in it for the long haul to ensure consistency. I am not saying he is the guy, but we would want a Norv Turner type - solid OC with no designs on a HC position.

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Sean : 1/7/2018 10:53 am : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick


Might be the dumbest thing I’ve read on this board.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 10:54 am : link
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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick






We have to trust that DG  
Dave on the UWS : 1/7/2018 10:58 am : link
knows what he's doing otherwise we are screwed. He's looking for someone who can be a CEO type HC. He should know pretty well whether Wilkes has that type of personality/ organizational skills. He would need to hire experience at both OC and DC I would think.
Todd Hareys contract  
DCPollaro : 1/7/2018 10:58 am : link
I believe expires in Pittsburgh.. Maybe an option
RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 10:59 am : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick








Let’s not compare Steve f’in Wilks to Bill Parcells and look at Parcells staff. This the New York Giants and we are settling for Steve Wilks lmao
RE: Todd Hareys contract  
TheMick7 : 1/7/2018 11:00 am : link
In comment 13776075 DCPollaro said:
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I believe expires in Pittsburgh.. Maybe an option


Haley's NYE bar fight will not endear him to any GMs!
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 11:02 am : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick










Let’s not compare Steve f’in Wilks to Bill Parcells and look at Parcells staff. This the New York Giants and we are settling for Steve Wilks lmao


Parcells has nothing to do with this.
Norv will be 68 in May  
Canton : 1/7/2018 11:03 am : link
Is he who we want being OC for the long haul?
RE: So if hiring Wilks is on par with hiring McAdoo  
clatterbuck : 1/7/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13776052 Chris684 said:
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What failed head coach can we compare to hiring McDaniels?


McDaniels.
RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 11:10 am : link
In comment 13776067 BeckShepEli said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick


lol
RE: RE: Looks like someone who can LEAD..  
dpinzow : 1/7/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13775976 Sammo85 said:
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That is what matters here. He’s growing on me. Let Wilks be the head man with 2 strong coordinators.



He has a strong case considering his defensive background and the issues we had with discipline, unity, teamwork on the D side.

That said, he’d better make sure he finds a stud OC or he and Gettleman will end up getting McAdoo’d themselves in a couple years. Defense wins you championships, but to make the playoffs you have to score.

I’ve heard Ken Dorseys name mentioned as a OC option but I’m a little leery of handing the reigns to him. I don’t think the Eagles will let us poach DeFilippo away.

I’d prefer an older seasoned non-threatening OC. One who wouldn’t look to bolt for a HC job and can stay to develop an offense and QB.


Ken Dorsey the old Miami QB when they ruled college football at the turn of the century? Dude is a human computer so I think he’d do OK as an OC
Wilks  
Archer : 1/7/2018 11:15 am : link
The Giants must believe that the turnaround of the team will take a few years
Typically , with a few exceptions, inexperienced coachs take longer to develop
The Giants must believe that they have to start over and rebuild

RE: RE: Because hiring a HC without any experience....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/7/2018 11:16 am : link
It's 20 million just to get Saban out of Alabama. Contract buyout. Not happening. [/quote]

Why not? Are we the Mets? I'd like to think that we are the Yankees.
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BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 11:17 am : link
60% of this board was ecstatic when we hired McAdoo so it makes sense everyone is happy about wilks
RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/7/2018 11:23 am : link



No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick

Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.






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GFAN52 : 1/7/2018 11:23 am : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick


It's who they hire at OC and QB that will go a long way in determining the success or failure at developing a drafted QB.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 11:27 am : link
In comment 13776114 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick

Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.






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starting to favor Wilks myself  
bluepepper : 1/7/2018 11:27 am : link
mostly by default. Don't really want McDaniels because he's such an a**hole and the Pats system hasn't proven to be replicable elsewhere. Shurmur I am okay with but I start reading about Keenum at QB and Spags as DC and Childress as OC and want to tear my hair out. Maybe that's unfair and he has some better names in mind but still it's giving me pause. I fear that the ceiling with him is 10-6 and maybe win WC weekend.

Wilks is the wildcard guy who could be a home run. Or a strikeout. Doesn't have the preferred resume but resumes are overrated. If Gettleman is so high on him that he can sell him to the Maras then what the hell go for it!
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 11:28 am : link
In comment 13776114 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



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Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick

Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.






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Ray Perkins had one year of experience running an offense anywhere at the time.
He might turn out to be a great coach  
larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 11:32 am : link
But he doesn't have a lot of experience as a DC.
Plus he has followed Rivera around.

He has 2 years of DC experience under his belt after taking over a strong Defense from a DC that got a HC job.
How is he different than Patrica? Except the hate for anyone that worked under the hooded one.
Wilks might be another McAdoo  
micky : 1/7/2018 11:38 am : link
would you chance that scenario happening again?
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
bluepepper : 1/7/2018 11:40 am : link
In comment 13776124 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick

Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.

Ray Perkins had one year of experience running an offense anywhere at the time.

Yeah, his resume was very thin. So for that matter was Parcells who had been a DC for 2 years and a college HC for one year. And Parcells had already developed a bad habit of quitting jobs after one year or even less.

One interesting side note on Perkins - he was OC to Coryell in San Diego for a year. When he took the Giants job Coryell hired Joe Gibbs from Tampa to replace him. Funny how that hiring Perkins led to Parcells at NYG and Gibbs at DC. If Young had hired Dan Reeves who I think was the early favorite then the history of the NFL in the 1980's would have been very different.
TTH  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2018 11:51 am : link
I definitely credit coaching for high " + " ints gathered by a D.

Look at the all time individual ints league leaders chart. True. Some great individuals, but even that ( team ints would be a better measure) ...some teams tend to hold those players ..some don't.
Wilks hire will be a lot like DG  
Peppers : 1/7/2018 11:53 am : link
NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
RE: Wilks hire will be a lot like DG  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13776156 Peppers said:
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.


I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...
Regarding Norv Turner  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2018 11:57 am : link
I could see positional coaching spot such wrs,QB.

Or assistant HC ....if he could be convinced.

Been looking at OL coaches such as Chris Morgan (Atlanta and Seattle) and Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's,) as examples of OL coaches who might go for OC job here, depending on what the HC is willing to implement.
RE: RE: Wilks hire will be a lot like DG  
Peppers : 1/7/2018 11:59 am : link
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.



I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...


Which part?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 12:00 pm : link
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.



I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...



Which part?


"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.

Neither is true.
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Peppers : 1/7/2018 12:04 pm : link
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.



I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...



Which part?



"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.

Neither is true.


Very few people here wanted DG. Very few. Dig through the pages of threads. And once DG had his presser and Ross was fired look at how excited everyone was. Maybe you missed it...
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 12:07 pm : link
I didn't miss anything. You're exaggerating and using gross hyperbole to make it sound like you knew Gettleman was a good hire before everyone else.

This narrative that no one wanted him but now everyone is suddenly on board because he cut Bobby Hart is your own - it isn't reality.

You're making it sound like there was a complete uproar the day Gettleman was hired and that fans were ready to riot over it, but suddenly love him now that Ross and Hart are gone.
You can argue any candidate’s name out there  
Chris684 : 1/7/2018 12:12 pm : link
can wind up like Ben McAdoo. Every single one! What makes Wilks so much more comparable to McAdoo than say, Josh McDaniels, who already has a very Ben McAdoo-esque stint on his resume.

Again, Shaw is not coming here, Saban is not coming here, unfortunately Belichick is not coming here.

Who is more exciting than Wilks? Shurmur? Studesville?

Wilks comes from a culture of defense, linebackers and running the football. That is very NYG-like.
Yeah I think this is gonna be the guy  
ghost718 : 1/7/2018 12:13 pm : link
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Peppers : 1/7/2018 12:14 pm : link
In comment 13776180 arcarsenal said:
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I didn't miss anything. You're exaggerating and using gross hyperbole to make it sound like you knew Gettleman was a good hire before everyone else.

This narrative that no one wanted him but now everyone is suddenly on board because he cut Bobby Hart is your own - it isn't reality.

You're making it sound like there was a complete uproar the day Gettleman was hired and that fans were ready to riot over it, but suddenly love him now that Ross and Hart are gone.


Lol.. you okay buddy? What are you arguing here? The proof is in the pudding. Look back at the threads. Many people wanted a new line of thinking and a complete house cleaning. They believed DG would be much of the same because of his ties to the past regime. I'm not saying they were wrong, they had valid reasoning but many of those same people are now on board with DG. Just saying, sit back and wait to see. That's all we can do as fans.
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13776105 BeckShepEli said:
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60% of this board was ecstatic when we hired McAdoo so it makes sense everyone is happy about wilks

Ah, we're back to that stale line.
RE: RE: Because hiring a HC without any experience....  
Eman11 : 1/7/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13776007 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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....has served us so well recently!

This is a plumb gig. We are the NY Football Giants!

Tisch can dial up Saban anytime now!



It's 20 million just to get Saban out of Alabama. Contract buyout. Not happening.


Saban and his agent have all the power in his dealings with Bama. That buyout is if they fire him. See this from a USA Today article:

Surely his agent, Jimmy Sexton, asks for things. Byrne, the athletics director, confirms that Sexton has made asks in contract negotiations, but Byrne said Saban’s most recent negotiation was an easy one. Saban, who turns 66 on Halloween, got a three-year extension in May. His current eight-year deal runs through Jan. 31, 2025. If Alabama were to fire Saban without cause while the deal has it least four years remaining, it would owe him $26.9 million, subject to offset from subsequent income.

Based on that,the rest of his percs and his original contract with Bama, I really doubt theres anything in his deal that requires him to pay Bama if he leaves for a NFL job. Possibly for another college but I don't think that's even a question. Him retiring is more likely than him changing schools IMO.
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AnishPatel : 1/7/2018 12:19 pm : link
In comment 13776005 arcarsenal said:
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I won't be angry if it's Wilks - but I still think it's a bit of a hard sell given what we just dealt with.


Yeah I want someone with HCing experience IF possible.
Was Wilks coaching the Panthers  
CT Charlie : 1/7/2018 12:19 pm : link
during the baseball-bat warmup game? If so, what does it say about his relationship with players?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 12:22 pm : link
I'm great - just pointing out that this idea that "NOBODY" liked the hire when it happened, but now "EVERYONE" is on board with it because he got rid of a OT and scout just isn't true.

You're free to believe whatever you'd like, though. :)

RE: Was Wilks coaching the Panthers  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 12:22 pm : link
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during the baseball-bat warmup game? If so, what does it say about his relationship with players?


He was the DB coach that day.

So, yes - he was on the staff. But he wasn't the DC. McDermott was.
Sounds eerily similar to Tomlin  
mterrence : 1/7/2018 12:23 pm : link
After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.
Wilks could also bring  
Pete in MD : 1/7/2018 12:37 pm : link
in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.
RE: Sounds eerily similar to Tomlin  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2018 12:40 pm : link
In comment 13776214 mterrence said:
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After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.


Could not disagree more vehemently. Tomlin comes across as a guy who is better at keeping peace and cohesion amongst the players. But he is soft as a marshmallow when it comes to discipline. I think Tomlin gets vastly overrated as a head coach. The Steelers have had quite a few discipline issues the last few years. The bottom line is as long as you win nobody cares.

I want the exact opposite of a Tomlin.
RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2018 12:44 pm : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick

Exactly! I mean I’m still scratching my head as to why Belichick didn’t trade Brady immediately back in the day. It’s a complete waste for a defensive HC to have a decent QB. A waste. The QB will never amount to anything if the HC is a defensive guy.
More examples of picks wasted on QBs by teams with defensive coaches:  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 12:50 pm : link
Dan Marino (Don Shula)
Peyton Manning (Jim Mora)
Ben Roethlisberger (Bill Cowher)
Matt Ryan (Mike Smith)
Russell Wilson (Pete Carroll)
Cam Newton (Ron Rivera)
Philip Rivers (Marty Schottenheimer)
Carson Palmer/Andy Dalton (Marvin Lewis)
Drew Bledsoe (Bill Parcells)
Troy Aikman (Jimmy Johnson)

And, in the "special situations" category:
Tom Brady (Bill Belichick)
Roger Staubach (Tom Landry)
Brett Favre (Jerry Glanville, though Atalanta traded him a year later)
Tony Romo (Bill Parcells - UDFA)
Kerry Collins (Dom Capers - ultimately sort of a waste, but for entirely different reasons)
RE: RE: Sounds eerily similar to Tomlin  
Toastt34 : 1/7/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13776241 Sammo85 said:
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After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.



Could not disagree more vehemently. Tomlin comes across as a guy who is better at keeping peace and cohesion amongst the players. But he is soft as a marshmallow when it comes to discipline. I think Tomlin gets vastly overrated as a head coach. The Steelers have had quite a few discipline issues the last few years. The bottom line is as long as you win nobody cares.

I want the exact opposite of a Tomlin.

+1
RE: Wilks could also bring  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 1:00 pm : link
In comment 13776237 Pete in MD said:
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in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.


Chud or Norv Turner would be great hires with Wikes. Even better if he could get both. If that were to happen, you probably could get away with a young DC like AL Holcomb
Like I said  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 1:11 pm : link
Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool
RE: Like I said  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 1:12 pm : link
In comment 13776286 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool

Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
RE: RE: Wilks could also bring  
Pete in MD : 1/7/2018 1:12 pm : link
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in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.



Chud or Norv Turner would be great hires with Wikes. Even better if he could get both. If that were to happen, you probably could get away with a young DC like AL Holcomb


Holcomb would make sense as DC. It would be his first DC gig but many think he has what it takes to succeed. He has also worked in the Giants organization before.
RE: Like I said  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2018 1:13 pm : link
In comment 13776286 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool

You call him a fool yet know nothing about him, lol. Clownshow.
BBB,you consider those players to have been  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2018 1:13 pm : link
'Wasted'? Wow. That's a high standard!
Sheesh
RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
BestFeature : 1/7/2018 1:16 pm : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick


Off the top of my head between Brady and Peyton Manning, they had Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, and John Fox as their coaches. All defensive coaches.
RE: RE: Like I said  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 1:18 pm : link
In comment 13776289 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.


Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
RE: BBB,you consider those players to have been  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 1:28 pm : link
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'Wasted'? Wow. That's a high standard!Sheesh
I call your sarcasm and raise you three ironies and a snark.
Best Feature: Add Jim Mora to that list.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 1:36 pm : link
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Off the top of my head between Brady and Peyton Manning, they had Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, and John Fox as their coaches. All defensive coaches.
Mora - also a former DC - was head coach in Indy for Peyton's first four years there. Ironically, while the offense thrived from 1999 on, the defense was never good. In Mora's final season, it was astoundingly bad, yielding over 30 points per game.
RE: RE: RE: RE: If we hire Wilks  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 1:42 pm : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick



Huh?



Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick



Might be the dumbest thing I’ve read on this board.


Seconded
RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 1:44 pm : link
In comment 13776300 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools

I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?

And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.
I love how this thread has him hired  
larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 1:58 pm : link
And now are building his staff.
Out of the group interviewed he has the weakest resume.
Granted Gettleman knows him which helps but what about his resume screams HC?
I love how people are saying it's his leadership skills ?
What example are you using to show his leadership?
I honestly don't believe this so called Brain trust will make the right decision either way.

RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13776300 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools


Answer his very legitimate question.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Wilks hire will be a lot like DG  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 2:26 pm : link
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.

Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.



I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...



Which part?



"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.

Neither is true.



Very few people here wanted DG. Very few.Dig through the pages of threads. And once DG had his presser and Ross was fired look at how excited everyone was. Maybe you missed it...


Also not true. Very few were posting about wanting Gettleman. At the very least, the idea that very few people here even had a problem 2ith the Gettleman hire is an exaggeration.

Go do your own research. It was like a broken record of the same posters speaking out against him.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
BeckShepEli : 1/7/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13776346 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools


I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?

And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.


Well has discussed I called the wrong person a fool. He is clearly a genius. He will be getting the HC job and they aren’t even using his defense. The fools are those who want him.

And dad like we discussed 4 days ago I have been on BBI since 2003 but registered this last year. I am sorry if I violated any BBI laws or regulations by doing that
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Like I said  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 2:31 pm : link
In comment 13776471 BeckShepEli said:
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool


Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.



Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools


I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?

And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.



Well has discussed I called the wrong person a fool. He is clearly a genius. He will be getting the HC job and they aren’t even using his defense. The fools are those who want him.

And dad like we discussed 4 days ago I have been on BBI since 2003 but registered this last year. I am sorry if I violated any BBI laws or regulations by doing that


Nice backpedal.
Hahah  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 2:39 pm : link
>"He's a fool"
>"Why?"
>"You have a hardon for this guy"
>"answer his question"
> "Oh fine he's a genius"

Good talk.
I am neither excited  
Rick5 : 1/7/2018 2:43 pm : link
nor concerned about any of these guys. There's no reliable way to predict which ones will or won't be successful. We will just have to see which one they hire and hope for the best.
Beckshep  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:20 pm : link
Mike Tomlin used a Tampa 2 scheme his entire career before coming to Pittsburgh where they ran the 3-4 and still do today. He altered his scheme around the strengths of his players. That is what the great DC’s do. It’s also the reason why guys like Tim Lewis and Perry Fewell failed.
If Wilks is running Rivera’s scheme  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:21 pm : link
And they are playing this well then he deserves a lot of credit.
RE: Beckshep  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 3:22 pm : link
In comment 13776577 Jay on the Island said:
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Mike Tomlin used a Tampa 2 scheme his entire career before coming to Pittsburgh where they ran the 3-4 and still do today. He altered his scheme around the strengths of his players. That is what the great DC’s do. It’s also the reason why guys like Tim Lewis and Perry Fewell failed.


I'm pretty sure that Tomlin didn't get to hire his own DC. Dick LeBeau was still there.
RE: RE: Beckshep  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:26 pm : link
In comment 13776585 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Mike Tomlin used a Tampa 2 scheme his entire career before coming to Pittsburgh where they ran the 3-4 and still do today. He altered his scheme around the strengths of his players. That is what the great DC’s do. It’s also the reason why guys like Tim Lewis and Perry Fewell failed.



I'm pretty sure that Tomlin didn't get to hire his own DC. Dick LeBeau was still there.


Yes Lebeau was there but IIRC he had the option to make a change but he decided to stick with the current scheme since they had the personnel in place and it would have taken time to bring in new players that better fit the Tampa 2.
RE: Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
djstat : 1/7/2018 3:38 pm : link
In comment 13775958 Brown Recluse said:
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I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.
Accorsi didn't want Coughlin and look who the Giants hired...Coughlin
RE: RE: Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13776617 djstat said:
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I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.

Accorsi didn't want Coughlin and look who the Giants hired...Coughlin

Reese reportedly wanted two other candidates over McAdoo. I hope Mara doesn’t force anyone on Gettleman unless it is Belichick of course.
RE: Regarding Norv Turner  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13776163 idiotsavant said:
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I could see positional coaching spot such wrs,QB.

Or assistant HC ....if he could be convinced.

Been looking at OL coaches such as Chris Morgan (Atlanta and Seattle) and Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's,) as examples of OL coaches who might go for OC job here, depending on what the HC is willing to implement.

Yeah, they should definitely take a proven OC and make him a position coach while they take an OL coach who has a very specialized responsibility and make him the OC. Seems like a great idea. Then run stretch left all day.

You have a solid knowledge of football strategy but tend do go too far with your wishes.
Considering what a mess we have  
Since1965 : 1/7/2018 4:14 pm : link
Apple, Flowers, shitty OL, possible transition from Manning, our former HC making a mess of everything, OBJ's antics, I am leery with an inexperienced coach. The Giants need to have someone who has demonstrated the ability to pull a team together and handle stuff.
There is PC pressure here for sure  
TMS : 1/7/2018 4:16 pm : link
to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross. Wish Wilks well and DG knows his shit. Now get ELI that third SB.
RE: Considering what a mess we have  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 4:27 pm : link
In comment 13776698 Since1965 said:
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Apple, Flowers, shitty OL, possible transition from Manning, our former HC making a mess of everything, OBJ's antics, I am leery with an inexperienced coach. The Giants need to have someone who has demonstrated the ability to pull a team together and handle stuff.


There is no experienced guy out there like that . They don’t appear to be interested in Harbaugh or Cowher
RE: RE: Considering what a mess we have  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 5:16 pm : link
In comment 13776737 Rflairr said:
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Apple, Flowers, shitty OL, possible transition from Manning, our former HC making a mess of everything, OBJ's antics, I am leery with an inexperienced coach. The Giants need to have someone who has demonstrated the ability to pull a team together and handle stuff.



There is no experienced guy out there like that . They don’t appear to be interested in Harbaugh or Cowher


Agreed and I think those priblems are over-blown.

- I think with Apple and Flowers, Gettleman has them on a short leash and the incoming coach will be made aware of that. They start causing problems, I dont think Gett hesitates in keeping them from the club.

-I can almost guarantee that our OL will be 100% better after one offseason. It's one of our new GM's platform statements. We WILL have a solid O line next year.

- New coach will most likely have a brandsy new QB to start the season behind a 2 time Super Bowl MVP. He also will have zero loyalty to Eli and will legitimately move on from him if it is in the best interest in the team.

-OBJ's antics are waaaaaaaay overblown and I think will be handled a bit differently with DG at the helm.


True leaders demonstrate it without having experience. I think thats what DG wants from his guy.
RE: There is PC pressure here for sure  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 5:17 pm : link
In comment 13776704 TMS said:
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to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross. Wish Wilks well and DG knows his shit. Now get ELI that third SB.


Your posts have been absolutely nauseating.
RE: There is PC pressure here for sure  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/7/2018 6:19 pm : link
In comment 13776704 TMS said:
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to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross.


There's plenty of other places for bullshit like this. Not here please.
Shit..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2018 6:30 pm : link
now we know why Geno Smith took over for Eli too!!!

PC shit.
RE: There is PC pressure here for sure  
EricJ : 1/7/2018 8:10 pm : link
In comment 13776704 TMS said:
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to hire Wilks. Same as when they fired Coughlin and retained the incompetent Reese and Ross. Wish Wilks well and DG knows his shit. Now get ELI that third SB.


Do you really think that John Mara will be concerned with being "PC" when he is risking his franchise and the millions that come with it?

It is just ridiculous.
RE: RE: Sounds like Gettleman has made up his mind.  
an_idol_mind : 1/7/2018 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13776617 djstat said:
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I dont see ownership putting up a fight over it. Wilks is the guy.

Accorsi didn't want Coughlin and look who the Giants hired...Coughlin


More BBI myth. Accorsi did want Coughlin.
Should probably be noted that  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 8:55 pm : link
Of the 8 teams remaining in the playoffs, 5 are coached by a coach in his first coaching gig.
Strange how we never heard of McAdoo's inability  
SHO'NUFF : 1/7/2018 9:52 pm : link
to command a locker room.
RE: If we hire Wilks  
Jersey55 : 1/8/2018 4:34 pm : link
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick


why ??
I hope we hire a HC with a good coaching background  
Jersey55 : 1/8/2018 4:37 pm : link
and one who has been a HC before and has the necessary experience, McAdoo has soured me on bringing in a young hotshot with no resume...
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