Interesting video from Garafolo with Rapoport.
Two informative Tweets from Garafolo as well:
Giants say they’d prefer experience but Wilks could be the guy that convinces them otherwise. GM Dave Gettleman is eager to get him in front of ownership, we hear.
Big week for #Panthers DC Steve Wilks: Playoff game today. Then, win or lose, Wilks will spend the next week trying to fit in 4 scheduled interviews with #Giants, #Lions, #Colts, and #AZCardinals.
Giants likely first.
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
It's who they hire at OC and QB that will go a long way in determining the success or failure at developing a drafted QB.
No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.
Wilks is the wildcard guy who could be a home run. Or a strikeout. Doesn't have the preferred resume but resumes are overrated. If Gettleman is so high on him that he can sell him to the Maras then what the hell go for it!
No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.
Ray Perkins had one year of experience running an offense anywhere at the time.
Plus he has followed Rivera around.
He has 2 years of DC experience under his belt after taking over a strong Defense from a DC that got a HC job.
How is he different than Patrica? Except the hate for anyone that worked under the hooded one.
No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Ummm....Ray Perkins was an offensive coach.
Ray Perkins had one year of experience running an offense anywhere at the time.
Yeah, his resume was very thin. So for that matter was Parcells who had been a DC for 2 years and a college HC for one year. And Parcells had already developed a bad habit of quitting jobs after one year or even less.
One interesting side note on Perkins - he was OC to Coryell in San Diego for a year. When he took the Giants job Coryell hired Joe Gibbs from Tampa to replace him. Funny how that hiring Perkins led to Parcells at NYG and Gibbs at DC. If Young had hired Dan Reeves who I think was the early favorite then the history of the NFL in the 1980's would have been very different.
Look at the all time individual ints league leaders chart. True. Some great individuals, but even that ( team ints would be a better measure) ...some teams tend to hold those players ..some don't.
Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...
Or assistant HC ....if he could be convinced.
Been looking at OL coaches such as Chris Morgan (Atlanta and Seattle) and Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's,) as examples of OL coaches who might go for OC job here, depending on what the HC is willing to implement.
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.
Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...
Which part?
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.
Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...
Which part?
"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.
Neither is true.
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.
Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...
Which part?
"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.
Neither is true.
Very few people here wanted DG. Very few. Dig through the pages of threads. And once DG had his presser and Ross was fired look at how excited everyone was. Maybe you missed it...
This narrative that no one wanted him but now everyone is suddenly on board because he cut Bobby Hart is your own - it isn't reality.
You're making it sound like there was a complete uproar the day Gettleman was hired and that fans were ready to riot over it, but suddenly love him now that Ross and Hart are gone.
Again, Shaw is not coming here, Saban is not coming here, unfortunately Belichick is not coming here.
Who is more exciting than Wilks? Shurmur? Studesville?
Wilks comes from a culture of defense, linebackers and running the football. That is very NYG-like.
This narrative that no one wanted him but now everyone is suddenly on board because he cut Bobby Hart is your own - it isn't reality.
You're making it sound like there was a complete uproar the day Gettleman was hired and that fans were ready to riot over it, but suddenly love him now that Ross and Hart are gone.
Lol.. you okay buddy? What are you arguing here? The proof is in the pudding. Look back at the threads. Many people wanted a new line of thinking and a complete house cleaning. They believed DG would be much of the same because of his ties to the past regime. I'm not saying they were wrong, they had valid reasoning but many of those same people are now on board with DG. Just saying, sit back and wait to see. That's all we can do as fans.
Ah, we're back to that stale line.
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....has served us so well recently!
This is a plumb gig. We are the NY Football Giants!
Tisch can dial up Saban anytime now!
It's 20 million just to get Saban out of Alabama. Contract buyout. Not happening.
Saban and his agent have all the power in his dealings with Bama. That buyout is if they fire him. See this from a USA Today article:
Surely his agent, Jimmy Sexton, asks for things. Byrne, the athletics director, confirms that Sexton has made asks in contract negotiations, but Byrne said Saban’s most recent negotiation was an easy one. Saban, who turns 66 on Halloween, got a three-year extension in May. His current eight-year deal runs through Jan. 31, 2025. If Alabama were to fire Saban without cause while the deal has it least four years remaining, it would owe him $26.9 million, subject to offset from subsequent income.
Based on that,the rest of his percs and his original contract with Bama, I really doubt theres anything in his deal that requires him to pay Bama if he leaves for a NFL job. Possibly for another college but I don't think that's even a question. Him retiring is more likely than him changing schools IMO.
Yeah I want someone with HCing experience IF possible.
You're free to believe whatever you'd like, though. :)
He was the DB coach that day.
So, yes - he was on the staff. But he wasn't the DC. McDermott was.
Could not disagree more vehemently. Tomlin comes across as a guy who is better at keeping peace and cohesion amongst the players. But he is soft as a marshmallow when it comes to discipline. I think Tomlin gets vastly overrated as a head coach. The Steelers have had quite a few discipline issues the last few years. The bottom line is as long as you win nobody cares.
I want the exact opposite of a Tomlin.
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Exactly! I mean I’m still scratching my head as to why Belichick didn’t trade Brady immediately back in the day. It’s a complete waste for a defensive HC to have a decent QB. A waste. The QB will never amount to anything if the HC is a defensive guy.
Peyton Manning (Jim Mora)
Ben Roethlisberger (Bill Cowher)
Matt Ryan (Mike Smith)
Russell Wilson (Pete Carroll)
Cam Newton (Ron Rivera)
Philip Rivers (Marty Schottenheimer)
Carson Palmer/Andy Dalton (Marvin Lewis)
Drew Bledsoe (Bill Parcells)
Troy Aikman (Jimmy Johnson)
And, in the "special situations" category:
Tom Brady (Bill Belichick)
Roger Staubach (Tom Landry)
Brett Favre (Jerry Glanville, though Atalanta traded him a year later)
Tony Romo (Bill Parcells - UDFA)
Kerry Collins (Dom Capers - ultimately sort of a waste, but for entirely different reasons)
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After seeing a few interviews online with Wilks he sounds like a mirror image of Mike Tomlin and the one thing that Tomlin does for the Steelers is command respect. Tomlin didnt have loads of HC experience before he was hired by the Steelers but he had that it factor.
Could not disagree more vehemently. Tomlin comes across as a guy who is better at keeping peace and cohesion amongst the players. But he is soft as a marshmallow when it comes to discipline. I think Tomlin gets vastly overrated as a head coach. The Steelers have had quite a few discipline issues the last few years. The bottom line is as long as you win nobody cares.
I want the exact opposite of a Tomlin.
+1
Chud or Norv Turner would be great hires with Wikes. Even better if he could get both. If that were to happen, you probably could get away with a young DC like AL Holcomb
Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
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in recently unemployed Rob Chudzinski as OC. They worked together before with San Diego and Carolina.
Chud or Norv Turner would be great hires with Wikes. Even better if he could get both. If that were to happen, you probably could get away with a young DC like AL Holcomb
Holcomb would make sense as DC. It would be his first DC gig but many think he has what it takes to succeed. He has also worked in the Giants organization before.
You call him a fool yet know nothing about him, lol. Clownshow.
Sheesh
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Off the top of my head between Brady and Peyton Manning, they had Bill Belichick, Tony Dungy, and John Fox as their coaches. All defensive coaches.
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool
Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
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No reason to draft a QB with first pick
Huh?
Why draft a QB with a defensive head coach? Waste of a pick
Might be the dumbest thing I’ve read on this board.
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool
Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?
And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.
Out of the group interviewed he has the weakest resume.
Granted Gettleman knows him which helps but what about his resume screams HC?
I love how people are saying it's his leadership skills ?
What example are you using to show his leadership?
I honestly don't believe this so called Brain trust will make the right decision either way.
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool
Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
Answer his very legitimate question.
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NOBODY wanted DG but me and a few others. He fires Ross and cuts Hart now EVERYBODY is singing his praises.. Funny how that works.
Sit back and believe in the process. If Wilks is the guy (and I hope he is) I think many of you will be pleasantly surprised.
I think you're exaggerating just a bit here...
Which part?
"NOBODY" wanted DG except for yourself a few others.. and now "EVERYBODY" is singing his praises.
Neither is true.
Very few people here wanted DG. Very few.Dig through the pages of threads. And once DG had his presser and Ross was fired look at how excited everyone was. Maybe you missed it...
Also not true. Very few were posting about wanting Gettleman. At the very least, the idea that very few people here even had a problem 2ith the Gettleman hire is an exaggeration.
Go do your own research. It was like a broken record of the same posters speaking out against him.
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool
Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?
And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.
Well has discussed I called the wrong person a fool. He is clearly a genius. He will be getting the HC job and they aren’t even using his defense. The fools are those who want him.
And dad like we discussed 4 days ago I have been on BBI since 2003 but registered this last year. I am sorry if I violated any BBI laws or regulations by doing that
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Scold me for not wanting this man as our coach. If people don’t agree with you guys you scold them. I didn’t want mcadoo and I don’t want this fool
Please expand on what makes him a fool in your opinion.
Gatorade you have been ripping me for the last 4 days. Some reason you have a hard on for this guy. This guy is going to get a job because of Ron Rivera’s defense not his. But I guess the fans that want him and Mara are the real fools
I already explained to you in a previous thread that I favor Shurmur, not Wilks. But I don't think it's productive for good discussion to throw around baseless statements and not offer any reasoning behind them. So I'll ask again, what makes him a fool in your opinion? There's a big difference between being the beneficiary of a good HC (such as Patricia and McDaniels) and being a fool, which is the term you chose. What makes Wilks a fool?
And then we can discuss your recollection of BBI's reaction to McAdoo's hire since you weren't even registered here at that time.
Well has discussed I called the wrong person a fool. He is clearly a genius. He will be getting the HC job and they aren’t even using his defense. The fools are those who want him.
And dad like we discussed 4 days ago I have been on BBI since 2003 but registered this last year. I am sorry if I violated any BBI laws or regulations by doing that
Nice backpedal.
>"Why?"
>"You have a hardon for this guy"
>"answer his question"
> "Oh fine he's a genius"
Good talk.