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For all those who think you get a QB later in the draft...

Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 4:13 pm
Nathan Peterman.

He does throw a catchable ball though.
great point.  
dancing blue bear : 1/7/2018 4:18 pm : link
I'm sold. We should trade up!
Yeah  
superspynyg : 1/7/2018 4:19 pm : link
the Chargers defense had no trouble catching Peterman's throws.
Thats  
Lefty : 1/7/2018 4:19 pm : link
Like saying for all those who say you can get one early, Ryan Leaf.

Children have more sound logic.
Obviously one example  
figgy2989 : 1/7/2018 4:20 pm : link
But there is always the chance you can find someone after the first round (Brees, Wilson, Brady, etc...)
The elusive Blake Bottles was a 3rd pick  
Miami_JintsFan : 1/7/2018 4:21 pm : link
Never really know how things will pan out.
True. but if you draft someone with the first or second pick  
dancing blue bear : 1/7/2018 4:23 pm : link
He is 100% guarenteed to be a franchise QB/ All pro. And will solve your problems for 15 years. If you don't. You will be in the wilderness for decades.

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dee-fense : 1/7/2018 4:24 pm : link
go tell New England and Seattle...good lord, make it stop
pffft
RE: The elusive Blake Bottles was a 3rd pick  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13776721 Miami_JintsFan said:
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Never really know how things will pan out.


To be fair, nobody really thought Bortles was anything that special. Hos pro day saved him. Bortles was taken almost by d3fault.
RE: Thats  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13776712 Lefty said:
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Like saying for all those who say you can get one early, Ryan Leaf.

Children have more sound logic.

Still waiting for you to answer my question - what's your previous handle(s)?
Tom Brady  
Pepe LePugh : 1/7/2018 4:45 pm : link
Aaron Rogers late first. Joe Montana 3rd round. Russell Wilson, Kurt Warner...................
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fkap : 1/7/2018 4:53 pm : link
Craig Kupp
Tom Brady  
sharpshooter66 : 1/7/2018 4:54 pm : link
Was a 6th round pick lol
Letís look at this closely  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 4:59 pm : link
The Giants were unable to find a suitable backup Qb in the mid to late rounds. Does anyone actually trust that they will find a franchise QB there? Great Brady was a 6th round pick and since him how many other franchise QBís were found in the 6th round? For every Prescott there is dozens Jesse Palmerís, Danny Kanellís, Ryan Nassibís, etc.
RE: True. but if you draft someone with the first or second pick  
djstat : 1/7/2018 5:08 pm : link
In comment 13776724 dancing blue bear said:
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He is 100% guarenteed to be a franchise QB/ All pro. And will solve your problems for 15 years. If you don't. You will be in the wilderness for decades.
Rick Mirer, Ryan Leaf, Tim Couch, Robert Griffin the Turd say otherwise.
We really shouldn't  
cjd2404 : 1/7/2018 5:12 pm : link
Forget or very own Dave Brown. 1992 round one supplemental draft
NFL draft is not an exact science  
joeinpa : 1/7/2018 5:15 pm : link
But it seems obvious that you have a better chance of getting it right during the first round than later; I would think this is especially true with the second overall pick.

Some guys here just don t want a quarterback in the first round, fine that s a legitimate position.

But trying to justify that position with the argument that there are no guarantees picking 2, and siting quarterbacks that came later and we're great, is silly.

Picking with the second pick, increases your chances of getting it right, and getting that next franchise quarterback is the most important move a team can make.

It s reportedly a strong quarterback class, Giants have second pick, seems simple to me.
RE: NFL draft is not an exact science  
PatersonPlank : 1/7/2018 5:36 pm : link
In comment 13776868 joeinpa said:
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But it seems obvious that you have a better chance of getting it right during the first round than later; I would think this is especially true with the second overall pick.

Some guys here just don t want a quarterback in the first round, fine that s a legitimate position.

But trying to justify that position with the argument that there are no guarantees picking 2, and siting quarterbacks that came later and we're great, is silly.

Picking with the second pick, increases your chances of getting it right, and getting that next franchise quarterback is the most important move a team can make.

It s reportedly a strong quarterback class, Giants have second pick, seems simple to me.


This was the early thinking. Now it sounds like people are backing away from thinking this class is so good. In fact Florio on the NBC pregame show said some GM/scout thinks last years top 3 is better than either Darnold or Rosen.
1st round QBís starting now  
Jay on the Island : 1/7/2018 5:45 pm : link
Tannehill, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Bortles, Mariota, Luck, Watson, Smith/Mahomes, Rivers, Wentz, Eli, Stafford, Rodgers, Trubisky, Newton, Ryan, Winston, Goff, and Palmer. The majority of the starting QBís in the NFL were 1st round picks.
Tom Brady-6, Warren Moon-undrafted,  
MOOPS : 1/7/2018 6:02 pm : link
Dan Fouts-3, Joe Montana-3, Tony Romo-undrafted, Kurt Warner-undrafted, Sonny Jurgensen-4, Johnny Unitas-9.
Blake Bortles  
Sy'56 : 1/7/2018 6:19 pm : link
High first round pick
RE: 1st round QBís starting now  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/7/2018 6:21 pm : link
In comment 13776933 Jay on the Island said:
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Tannehill, Roethlisberger, Flacco, Bortles, Mariota, Luck, Watson, Smith/Mahomes, Rivers, Wentz, Eli, Stafford, Rodgers, Trubisky, Newton, Ryan, Winston, Goff, and Palmer. The majority of the starting QBís in the NFL were 1st round picks.


Wow. Have to admit, that's more than I thought.
RE: Tom Brady-6, Warren Moon-undrafted,  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 6:33 pm : link
In comment 13776964 MOOPS said:
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Dan Fouts-3, Joe Montana-3, Tony Romo-undrafted, Kurt Warner-undrafted, Sonny Jurgensen-4, Johnny Unitas-9.

Those are all valid counterpoints, although I'd say that Moon is an exception because there was a cultural context at play surrounding black QBs at that time.

Still, all good examples. But it's worth noting that people can point to current QBs for evidence of 1st rounders but have to use 60 years of NFL history to find the counter argument.
RE: RE: Tom Brady-6, Warren Moon-undrafted,  
MOOPS : 1/7/2018 6:41 pm : link
In comment 13777016 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13776964 MOOPS said:


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Dan Fouts-3, Joe Montana-3, Tony Romo-undrafted, Kurt Warner-undrafted, Sonny Jurgensen-4, Johnny Unitas-9.


Those are all valid counterpoints, although I'd say that Moon is an exception because there was a cultural context at play surrounding black QBs at that time.

Still, all good examples. But it's worth noting that people can point to current QBs for evidence of 1st rounders but have to use 60 years of NFL history to find the counter argument.


I wasn't necessarily pointing out non-first round starters, I was pointing out non-first rounders among the GOATs.
RE: RE: RE: Tom Brady-6, Warren Moon-undrafted,  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 6:45 pm : link
In comment 13777028 MOOPS said:
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Dan Fouts-3, Joe Montana-3, Tony Romo-undrafted, Kurt Warner-undrafted, Sonny Jurgensen-4, Johnny Unitas-9.


Those are all valid counterpoints, although I'd say that Moon is an exception because there was a cultural context at play surrounding black QBs at that time.

Still, all good examples. But it's worth noting that people can point to current QBs for evidence of 1st rounders but have to use 60 years of NFL history to find the counter argument.



I wasn't necessarily pointing out non-first round starters, I was pointing out non-first rounders among the GOATs.

I'm not sure if my point is any less valid with regards to Moon as a draft pick rather than a starter, but fair enough. Your point is definitely well made either way.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Tom Brady-6, Warren Moon-undrafted,  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13777036 Gatorade Dunk said:
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In comment 13777016 Gatorade Dunk said:


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Dan Fouts-3, Joe Montana-3, Tony Romo-undrafted, Kurt Warner-undrafted, Sonny Jurgensen-4, Johnny Unitas-9.


Those are all valid counterpoints, although I'd say that Moon is an exception because there was a cultural context at play surrounding black QBs at that time.

Still, all good examples. But it's worth noting that people can point to current QBs for evidence of 1st rounders but have to use 60 years of NFL history to find the counter argument.



I wasn't necessarily pointing out non-first round starters, I was pointing out non-first rounders among the GOATs.


I'm not sure if my point is any less valid with regards to Moon as a draft pick rather than a starter, but fair enough. Your point is definitely well made either way.

Nevermind, I misunderstood your last post.
Add these ...  
Manny in CA : 1/7/2018 9:40 pm : link

Dak Prescott (4th round), Ryan Fitzpatrick (round 7), Brain Sipe (round 13), Roger Staubach, (round 10) Bart Starr (round 17)

Worst 1st round draft pick QB flops ...

Tim Tebow (25th over-all), Tim Couch (#1 over-all) , Cade McNown (12th overall), Todd Blackledge (7th over-all), David Carr (#1 over-all), David Klingler (#6 over-all), Andre Ware (#7 over-all), Jim Druckenmiller (26th over-all), Heath Shiler (#3 over-all), Rich Campbell (#6 over-all), Akili Smith (#3 overall), Art Schlichter ($4 over-all), JaMarcus Russell (#1 over-all), Ryan Leaf (#2 over-all) .....

QB is the most important player on the field, therefore, you'd better get it right .....

You'd better be sure the guy you pick is DESERVING of that honor, NOT that the guy who happens to be the best that year (when you have the need for a QB), else it can DESTROY your team.
Isn't he Elaine's boss  
Jay in Toronto : 1/7/2018 9:59 pm : link
I'll miss that fabulous catalogue prose.
RE: Add these ...  
smshmth8690 : 1/8/2018 12:11 am : link
In comment 13777410 Manny in CA said:
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Dak Prescott (4th round), Ryan Fitzpatrick (round 7), Brain Sipe (round 13), Roger Staubach, (round 10) Bart Starr (round 17)

Worst 1st round draft pick QB flops ...

Tim Tebow (25th over-all), Tim Couch (#1 over-all) , Cade McNown (12th overall), Todd Blackledge (7th over-all), David Carr (#1 over-all), David Klingler (#6 over-all), Andre Ware (#7 over-all), Jim Druckenmiller (26th over-all), Heath Shiler (#3 over-all), Rich Campbell (#6 over-all), Akili Smith (#3 overall), Art Schlichter ($4 over-all), JaMarcus Russell (#1 over-all), Ryan Leaf (#2 over-all) .....

QB is the most important player on the field, therefore, you'd better get it right .....

You'd better be sure the guy you pick is DESERVING of that honor, NOT that the guy who happens to be the best that year (when you have the need for a QB), else it can DESTROY your team.



One more for the list - Todd Marinovich (#24 overall)
It's easier to find a QB when picking 2nd  
AcesUp : 1/8/2018 12:18 am : link
than when not picking 2nd. It's almost that simple. A lot depends on how they evaluate these guys, but it's basically a no brainer if any of these guys grade out high.
This post is total nonsense  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/8/2018 12:24 pm : link
As was highlighted above many of the great NFL QBs like Tom Brady were not top ten draft picks and where not hyped by pundits as a can't miss " generational" QB.... you can not forecast how the skills of a QB will translate to the NFL NO MATTER WHERE HE IS DRAFTED. Brady was drafted in the SIXTH ROUND. Therefore, if you have a Shitty OL and poor run game wouldn't it make more sense at the top of the draft to take a lineman who can help you immediately or a RB who can be explosive and put fear in the opponent and also step in and play? Instead of taking another QB who will be holding a Clipboard behind Eli and Webb?
Thanks sms ....  
Manny in CA : 1/8/2018 5:57 pm : link

I forgot that Marinovich was a QB.

Point is, there's a lot of 1st round QBs, but more flops. There's just something that's a wee-bit more painful when you make a mistake on a QB that high.

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