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Our likely HCs D is getting stomped out

twostepgiants : 1/7/2018 6:22 pm
Steve Wilks claim to fame is 1 year as DC of this Panther D

So far, 244 yards of offense allowed. 3 TD drives allowed. Brees has a 151 QB rating. This is just in one half of football

Forget takeaways or sacks, the Carolina D has managed just 1 QB hurry and only 1 tackle for loss. Ie no pressure at all

But don't worry. Wilks is gonna command that room at halftime and lead men in the second half

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RE: Spoiler?  
mfsd : 1/7/2018 7:11 pm : link
In comment 13777069 ZogZerg said:
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Don't be a fucking clown.


Seriously. If someone doesn’t want to know the scores yet, why the fuck would they open BBI? Or the internet in general?
Kamara and Ingram average 200 yards a game from scrimmage  
TommytheElephant : 1/7/2018 7:12 pm : link
So far they haven’t reached 60
RE: RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13777070 Sammo85 said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.



They are sacrificing their secondary in doing so and it hasn't paid off so far.

Brees is picking them apart.

IT certainly has kept them in the game. Cam scores here some how they go ahead.
RE: What defense doesn’t  
Essex : 1/7/2018 7:12 pm : link
In comment 13777071 Rflairr said:
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Struggle against Bress in that dome?

How did his defense do against Shurmur?

And, fwiw, the saints have scored three points in the second half, so he did something right in the locker room at halftime.
RE: RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
jeff57 : 1/7/2018 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13777070 Sammo85 said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.



They are sacrificing their secondary in doing so and it hasn't paid off so far.

Brees is picking them apart.


24 points nearly midway through the fourth quarter in the super dome is not a bad performance.
Probably..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2018 7:13 pm : link
should have waited a bit before starting this thread.

NO hasn't done a lot lately.
RE: RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
WillVAB : 1/7/2018 7:15 pm : link
In comment 13777070 Sammo85 said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.



They are sacrificing their secondary in doing so and it hasn't paid off so far.

Brees is picking them apart.


If you told any DC coming into this game it would come down to Ginn and Josh Hill the DC would take that every time. Carolina has shut down the run. They’ve shut down explosive pass plays to Ingram/Kamara. Thomas has been pedestrian. They’re only 5 down with 9 minutes left. All things considered, I think the plan has been ok win or lose.
Carolina D doing OK...  
GFAN52 : 1/7/2018 7:20 pm : link
not easy to play in the Dome on the road.
Wilks D  
Bavaro_the_Mafioso : 1/7/2018 7:21 pm : link
The D is doing a great job against the run. But as others mentioned, this is essentially the same situation as McAdoo. PASS
Surprised no one has mentioned  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2018 7:26 pm : link
That this is essentially Dave Gettlemans drafted team (ducks and covers)...
RE: Surprised no one has mentioned  
Essex : 1/7/2018 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13777105 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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That this is essentially Dave Gettlemans drafted team (ducks and covers)...


That doesn't bother me, Carolina isn't a great team, but they are a good team.
RE: Surprised no one has mentioned  
cokeduplt : 1/7/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13777105 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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That this is essentially Dave Gettlemans drafted team (ducks and covers)...


They look pretty good hanging in versus a really good team
RE: Surprised no one has mentioned  
twostepgiants : 1/7/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13777105 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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That this is essentially Dave Gettlemans drafted team (ducks and covers)...


Thats not true

Gettleman didn't draft Cam Newton or Luke Kuechly or hire Ron Rivera

Ya know, the actual good parts
I was just kidding  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2018 7:35 pm : link
I like DG. Hope he can construct a similar type team here.
RE: RE: Surprised no one has mentioned  
cokeduplt : 1/7/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13777125 twostepgiants said:
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In comment 13777105 BigBlueDownTheShore said:


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That this is essentially Dave Gettlemans drafted team (ducks and covers)...



Thats not true

Gettleman didn't draft Cam Newton or Luke Kuechly or hire Ron Rivera

Ya know, the actual good parts


He drafted the guy who just scored that td! You guys are miserable
Hey guys  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2018 7:35 pm : link
I have a great idea let’s just Wilks on 1 game in a dome against one of the best QBs of all time?
RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
Vanzetti : 1/7/2018 7:35 pm : link
In comment 13777058 BigBlueDownTheShore said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.


I’m neutral on Wilks but rushing yards allowed is not necessarily meaningful when you allow 350 yards passing
RE: Hey guys  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2018 7:36 pm : link
In comment 13777138 ryanmkeane said:
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I have a great idea let’s just Wilks on 1 game in a dome against one of the best QBs of all time?

Judge*
Wilks coaching from the booth  
KentGraham : 1/7/2018 7:41 pm : link
Just rubs me the wrong way as a possible HC candidate.
RE: Sure, maybe it is unfair to judge him by one game  
ryanmkeane : 1/7/2018 7:42 pm : link
In comment 13777030 UberAlias said:
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But then again, only one year as a DC, not exactly a huge body of work to go by, so you’ll have to excuse the skepticism. It feels a lot like McAdoo without extensive coordinator experience but with a personal connection.
Sure hope they aren’t overselling this whole commands a room thing.

Well, in his first year as DC, Carolina was 8th in YPG, 10th in PPG, and 3rd in rush yards per game.
This really...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/7/2018 7:42 pm : link
is idiocy on full display.

The Carolina D has just given them a chance to win and this thread was started in the 1st half.

Then again, somebody started a thread talking about Jacoby Brissett being a sure-fire star after literally a quarter of play in a game he ended up having three turnovers in and losing.

It basically means we have a lot of reactionary dumbasses here.
RE: RE: RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13777086 WillVAB said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.



They are sacrificing their secondary in doing so and it hasn't paid off so far.

Brees is picking them apart.



If you told any DC coming into this game it would come down to Ginn and Josh Hill the DC would take that every time. Carolina has shut down the run. They’ve shut down explosive pass plays to Ingram/Kamara. Thomas has been pedestrian. They’re only 5 down with 9 minutes left. All things considered, I think the plan has been ok win or lose.


The problem is they’re losing and all those tertiary players are still beating their better defenders. I understand the game plan, but it hasn’t worked.
Dave in Hoboken  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/7/2018 7:46 pm : link
Assistant head coach for 3 years. And interim head coach whole Rivera was out doesn't help matters?
RE: his defense hasn't figured out powerhouse saints  
RottenApple : 1/7/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13777024 micky said:
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3 times this year so far lol


He’ll fit right in here. The Saints are usually good for 40+ against any Giants team.
Wilks ready to interview tomorrow  
GFAN52 : 1/7/2018 7:56 pm : link
With the loss today I suppose.
unless Belicheck is coming (good luck on that)  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/7/2018 8:00 pm : link
then every choice is between someone "inexperienced" or someone that has failed at least one place before. Pick your poison.
Speaking of examples coordinators that made great head coaches  
idiotsavant : 1/7/2018 8:01 pm : link
We are overlooking an obvious one in Sean Peyton. Obviously was OC here.

Not as a candidate, maybe, because, not sure the mechanics of prying him from nawlins. And you do need serious hawgs not just mollies for that shtuff he runs.

But a great example.
We've Gotta Problem  
Arkbach : 1/7/2018 8:01 pm : link
None of the candidates look like a lock.
...  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/7/2018 8:03 pm : link
So if Shurmur's offense can't score next week do we not want to hire him as well? I guess if NE puts up a bunch of points we'll be all in for McDaniels...
RE: RE: RE: RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
WillVAB : 1/7/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13777159 Sammo85 said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.



They are sacrificing their secondary in doing so and it hasn't paid off so far.

Brees is picking them apart.



If you told any DC coming into this game it would come down to Ginn and Josh Hill the DC would take that every time. Carolina has shut down the run. They’ve shut down explosive pass plays to Ingram/Kamara. Thomas has been pedestrian. They’re only 5 down with 9 minutes left. All things considered, I think the plan has been ok win or lose.



The problem is they’re losing and all those tertiary players are still beating their better defenders. I understand the game plan, but it hasn’t worked.


The defense gave them a chance to win on the road vs a team that’s a good bet to rep the NFC in the playoffs. I think he did a solid job today al things considered.
.  
arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 8:05 pm : link
Well, we can't hire him now... what will we do?
I have a feeling  
Breeze_94 : 1/7/2018 8:05 pm : link
it comes down to the NE guys and Wilks. Now that the Panthers are done, Wilks is free and can be officially named coach. If he is in fact the Giants guy, I would expect it to be wrapped up and announced this week.
Head Coach is a completely different skill set than OC or DC or STC  
arniefez : 1/7/2018 8:06 pm : link
Mara has been in football his whole life (not that you can tell sometimes). Gettleman is being paid big bucks to endorse someone who can be a good head coach. Mara failed badly last time. Maybe Gettleman can help.
FMIC  
joeinpa : 1/7/2018 8:11 pm : link
Over reactionary fans is what this board has on display quite often.

Actually Panthers defense kept them in game second half.
Brees  
Peppers : 1/7/2018 8:19 pm : link
Brees was unbelievable.


I like the second half adjustments Wilks made. Put them in position to win.
31 points given up in the dome  
Chris684 : 1/7/2018 8:19 pm : link
Kamara and Ingram shut down.

Huge stop at the end of the game.

Carolina D showed pretty well today overall.
It's a fair point.  
Jarvis : 1/7/2018 8:22 pm : link
This game shouldn't move the needle either way...However, to be fair, WIlks has only 1 year as the DC, so one game means more than it means for say Mcdaniels (on offense). Can't have it both ways..if we are to look at many games vs 1 game, then many season as a DC would be needed.

And as pointed out, his only experience as DC is from the booth by his choice.

“My first year, I’m going to do it from up top. I know a lot of guys do it from the field, but I want to be up there so I can see things and get ready for the next call, away from the sideline with all the emotion and hoopla. I’ll be focused and locked in.
Quickness and speed  
old man : 1/7/2018 8:27 pm : link
of NO did them in.They generally played better in the 2nd half.
That, and Cam(who seemed like he was on a sedative the whole game, but coming out of it the last 5 minutes).
Interview  
old man : 1/7/2018 8:28 pm : link
is for HC, and his empirical leadership.
RE: RE: RE: RE: RE: Saints Average around 200 yards rushing a game  
Sammo85 : 1/7/2018 8:34 pm : link
In comment 13777252 WillVAB said:
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Carolina has held hen to 30 something the entire game. D Coordintoar must suck.



They are sacrificing their secondary in doing so and it hasn't paid off so far.

Brees is picking them apart.



If you told any DC coming into this game it would come down to Ginn and Josh Hill the DC would take that every time. Carolina has shut down the run. They’ve shut down explosive pass plays to Ingram/Kamara. Thomas has been pedestrian. They’re only 5 down with 9 minutes left. All things considered, I think the plan has been ok win or lose.



The problem is they’re losing and all those tertiary players are still beating their better defenders. I understand the game plan, but it hasn’t worked.



The defense gave them a chance to win on the road vs a team that’s a good bet to rep the NFC in the playoffs. I think he did a solid job today al things considered.


Their D put them in a hole early on. That's a recipe for a loss. Now, the offense didn't do them any favors, but still the point remains. Going down by two scores early changed that entire 1st half and forcing adjustments you typically would not want to make.

I don't think Wilks did an awful job, but he certainly did not do a good job. He made some choices and got burned hard by Brees. It happens.

What a dumb  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 8:34 pm : link
Thread. Brees in the Superdome and the post made after the first half.


That Carolina D looked better against the Saints in NO than virtually any team I have ever seen play them there.

Try again.
This is not his defense.  
larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 8:35 pm : link
The defense is inherited.
Also Rivera is a defensive coach.
It's funny everyone is down on the Patriots assistants because of Belichick but doesn't say the same for Wilks

He is the least experienced of the bunch.

How many coaches has Gettleman hired in his career?
How many has Mara? How did that work out?
Holy fucking shit  
speedywheels : 1/7/2018 8:59 pm : link
There are some really fucking stupid people.

You’re going to base his resume on one fucking half of play?!
RE: You’re overthinking it..  
AnishPatel : 1/7/2018 9:17 pm : link
In comment 13777014 Sean said:
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The Giants are hiring someone who can LEAD & INSPIRE the players. Someone who can handle the job. Not hiring a DC.


Exactly! If he is smart, then he will delegate it out by hiring a DC and OC.
It's true  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/7/2018 9:20 pm : link
that you can't judge Wilks poorly based on this game.

The thing is though, when push cones to shove I think Mara is going to have a tough time pulling the trigger on a coach with no HC experience and 1 year at DC.

I just don't see it, even if DG is on board, Mara won't be imv.
RE: Not for nothing....  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/7/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13777029 Vin_Cuccs said:
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.... But Carolina should be winning this game. They keep settling for field goals.

And I don't know exactly how much of this you can place directly on Wilks.

It just seems like a hasty assessment.

Because the OP wants Shurmur and loves starting threads.
If Wilks has no experience as a HC  
mdc1 : 1/8/2018 5:06 am : link
then I would like to pass on him. Why make the same mistakes again and again? McAdoo, some guy we had as a DC many seasons ago that never had experience. This team requires seasoned leadership and not guys that are learning on the job.
RE: If Wilks has no experience as a HC  
section125 : 1/8/2018 6:06 am : link
In comment 13777578 mdc1 said:
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then I would like to pass on him. Why make the same mistakes again and again? McAdoo, some guy we had as a DC many seasons ago that never had experience. This team requires seasoned leadership and not guys that are learning on the job.


Wilks isn't McAdoo. And coaches have to start somewhere. It is about finding the right guy, letting him set up his staff and team, then live by his philosophy. There will be failures and that goes with the job. But if you are looking to get a guy on his ascendancy for the long haul, then you grab him and sit back.
I find it interesting that so many  
Chris684 : 1/8/2018 6:18 am : link
have issues with no experience but are so ready to commit to a “name” like McDaniels probably because they feel it’s a bigger splash, in spite of the fact his only experience as HC is on par with what McAdoo did here.

If you bring in a first-time HC like Wilks, it’s because you believe in the qualities he brings as a leader. He happens to be known around the league as a no nonsense disciplinarian which is exactly what this team needs right now.

There’s also no reason he can’t, when he builds his staff, bring in a veteran coordinator with HC experience that he can lean on or bounce ideas off of. Someone in the mold of a Kubiak or Norv Turner.
RE: Thanks for the spoiler fuck face  
djstat : 1/8/2018 12:52 pm : link
In comment 13777011 djm said:
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Was the necessary DJM?
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