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Baker Mayfield

Yoshibvillek1 : 1/7/2018 7:24 pm
I have read here that you donít spend a 2nd pick on Baker Mayfield but this guy has so much passion and skill. He reminds me of Drew Brees. Drew is short too. I think this guy Rosen is NOT going to be worth the pick. Heís not a competitor, a premadonna, and has zero mobility. Name a USC QB who has made it in the NFL so forget Darnold. Mayfield is the guy for us. Anyone else is a wasted pick. We have no online and NFL QBs need to be mobile these days.
Email this to the Giants  
Essex : 1/7/2018 7:26 pm : link
I would hate for them to be without this cogent analysis before draft day
RE: Email this to the Giants  
eli4life : 1/7/2018 7:27 pm : link
In comment 13777106 Essex said:
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I would hate for them to be without this cogent analysis before draft day


Wouldnít do any good didnít you read the op? We have no online
Thatís just nonsense hold over from the college reg season  
Giants_West : 1/7/2018 7:28 pm : link
They were saying the same thing about Mahomes last year. By the time the predraft process is complete heíll be a top 12 pick for sure. In that range you donít risk trading down if you are sure he is going to be the guy.
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BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/7/2018 7:29 pm : link
Actually  
lax counsel : 1/7/2018 7:29 pm : link
Actually, if you had bothered to watch Rosen, you would see he has solid mobility in and around the pocket. He's not Cam Newton, but not a statue. And Darnold with the USC label, guess that also eliminates Barkley as well, given the bust rate of Penn State running back. Other than that, great analysis- hopefully Mara and Gettleman have a copy.
RE: Actually  
Essex : 1/7/2018 7:32 pm : link
In comment 13777114 lax counsel said:
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Actually, if you had bothered to watch Rosen, you would see he has solid mobility in and around the pocket. He's not Cam Newton, but not a statue. And Darnold with the USC label, guess that also eliminates Barkley as well, given the bust rate of Penn State running back. Other than that, great analysis- hopefully Mara and Gettleman have a copy.


Rosen was an elite youth tennis player, hardly a guy who can't move around. Also tennis is so dependent upon footwork, which is why i think Rosen has such great pocket presence and pocket mobility. He is an athlete. Only thing that concerns me is injuries; if not, I can't see him not being successful at next level
Baker  
big canoe jeff : 1/7/2018 7:34 pm : link
Can make all the throws strong arm accurate mobile
Short bad temper
Great competitor
Giants will not take him but I would
Baker Mayfield  
Yoshibvillek1 : 1/7/2018 7:36 pm : link
May not be a brilliant analysis but immobile QBs donít do well in the NFL these days. Brady is the exception. I have not seen Rosen play but have read enough and talked with enough people who do watch college football that give me major pause on Rosen. Why shouldnít we draft Mayfield?
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arcarsenal : 1/7/2018 7:37 pm : link
Okay.
RE: Baker  
old man : 1/7/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13777133 big canoe jeff said:
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Can make all the throws strong arm accurate mobile
Short bad temper
Great competitor
Giants will not take him but I would

+1. On all of it.
RE: RE: Actually  
lax counsel : 1/7/2018 7:49 pm : link
In comment 13777127 Essex said:
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In comment 13777114 lax counsel said:


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Actually, if you had bothered to watch Rosen, you would see he has solid mobility in and around the pocket. He's not Cam Newton, but not a statue. And Darnold with the USC label, guess that also eliminates Barkley as well, given the bust rate of Penn State running back. Other than that, great analysis- hopefully Mara and Gettleman have a copy.



Rosen was an elite youth tennis player, hardly a guy who can't move around. Also tennis is so dependent upon footwork, which is why i think Rosen has such great pocket presence and pocket mobility. He is an athlete. Only thing that concerns me is injuries; if not, I can't see him not being successful at next level


Agreed 100%. I had read about the tennis part some time ago, slipped my mind.

To the original poster, go watch Rosen play before making such a horribly misinformed statement.
Whether  
AcidTest : 1/7/2018 7:55 pm : link
they should or not, it would be stunning if the Giants drafted Mayfield.
The next 3 months is going  
Photoguy : 1/7/2018 7:56 pm : link
to be brutal.
I'll be shocked if Baker Mayfield makes it to the second round  
Ira : 1/7/2018 7:57 pm : link
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After watching Brees  
section125 : 1/7/2018 7:57 pm : link
today, I think Mayfield is very much like him. I would not be opposed to drafting him.
no way Mayfield makes it out of the top 10  
gtt350 : 1/7/2018 8:00 pm : link
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Mayfield...  
Sy'56 : 1/7/2018 8:01 pm : link
Will be a 1st rounder, but not in the top 10.
So if darnold  
cokeduplt : 1/7/2018 8:03 pm : link
Canít babe good because no USC QBS have been good can u name me all the great Oklahoma QBs?
RE: After watching Brees  
cokeduplt : 1/7/2018 8:04 pm : link
In comment 13777231 section125 said:
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today, I think Mayfield is very much like him. I would not be opposed to drafting him.


Mayfield isnít Brees people need to stop with this comparison
RE: Mayfield...  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/7/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13777239 Sy'56 said:
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Will be a 1st rounder, but not in the top 10.


Early in the fall, I thought you were warming up to him. Aside from where he gets drafted what do you think of him now.... if I may ask?
With this logic  
Marty866b : 1/7/2018 8:12 pm : link
We have to pick Ronald Jones with the first pick. USC quarterbacks have't worked out but Frank Gifford, Mike Garrett,O.J.Simpson,Marcus Allen,etc. The NFL should put Ronald Jones in the Hall of Fame now.
I just don't understand  
rebel yell : 1/7/2018 8:12 pm : link
the love for Mayfield. Passion and charisma are great attributes--Johnny Manziel and RGIII also had them.
RE: I just don't understand  
section125 : 1/7/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13777279 rebel yell said:
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the love for Mayfield. Passion and charisma are great attributes--Johnny Manziel and RGIII also had them.


Difference is Mayfield can make the reads and is looking to pass the ball. Manziel was a DB that I knew would never be an NFL QB. If you couldn't see that you were blind. RG3 never made the reads that Mayfield does. There is no comparison.
And with the 2nd pick in the 2018 NFL Draft  
Jeever : 1/7/2018 8:24 pm : link
The New York Football Giants select Bradley Chubb DE from North Carolina State University

Now on to the 2nd Round.
I wish you guys would  
Dave on the UWS : 1/7/2018 8:41 pm : link
Stop with the Chubb stuff. Guy looks like an excellent all around DE but no elite skill. No thanks.
I want his cousin Nick  
big canoe jeff : 1/7/2018 8:53 pm : link
In second or third if he last there
I like Rosen and Jackson  
mrvax : 1/7/2018 8:56 pm : link
and Mayfield is a great mix of the two. I'd go for it myself.
Iíd take him with the second pick.  
Giant John : 1/7/2018 8:57 pm : link
He wonít get past the Jets if he is not taken earlier. Just watch...
RE: Iíd take him with the second pick.  
mrvax : 1/7/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13777343 Giant John said:
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He wonít get past the Jets if he is not taken earlier. Just watch...


I'm sure you're right.
I donít like Mayfield  
Archer : 1/7/2018 9:36 pm : link
I donít like Mayfield but then again I did not like Watson last year


I donít like Mayfield as he is ineffective throwing from the pocket
Mayfield is at his best on the move
He has to move to create throwing lanes
I love Mayfield.  
NYG07 : 1/7/2018 11:16 pm : link
He is insanely accurate and has a great ability to break the pocket, keep his eyes down field and find the open man.

That drive he put together in the 4th quarter against Georgia was a thing of beauty.

That said, I would be happy with Darnold or Rosen too. But this whole notion that Mayfield could be had at the end of the first round is nonsense, he won't make it past the Jets at 6.
I hope no one holds this post against Mayfield.  
TC : 1/7/2018 11:27 pm : link
I'm not A Rosen fan because of concerns about his ability to stand the physical punishment, but stuff like not being a competitor and lacking mobility is just laughable!
While I LOVE Darnold and think this year  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 11:29 pm : link
Was an aberration, I also would be happy with Mayfield and somewhat happy with Jackson if we traded down far enough. Those who are looking for us to get another iron man qb who has ice water in his veins with a great arm like Eli are unrealistic.

I think Darnold xan be terrific. But I also think Mayfield can. I have to see how he grades out size wise, but I think he hadls a great make up to succeed here.
RE: Mayfield...  
BleedBlue : 1/8/2018 12:18 am : link
In comment 13777239 Sy'56 said:
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Will be a 1st rounder, but not in the top 10.


I know you're the guru around here but I highly disagree...

If he interviews well, teams will care less about his "antics"
I don't expect him to get past the Jets at 6. If he Falls to 8-10 a team will trade up. If he doesn't go 10, he goes 11...I think the kid will be that much of a hot item come draft day. Teams want guys who produce. His ability to move and keep eyes downfield for a throw over run is huge. He can run, but he shows tremendous accuracy while on move. I prefer darnold but I think mayfield will go top ten...whether or not he pans out is different story
I want a guy with a chip on his shoulder  
TurdFurguson : 1/8/2018 2:51 am : link
but I agree we can trade down to get him. Rosen with the concussions scares me. Neurosurgeon dad is going to put a stop to that if he gets a few more. This isn't the 90s a-la Steve Young.
RE: I want a guy with a chip on his shoulder  
Gregorio : 1/8/2018 5:36 am : link
In comment 13777570 TurdFurguson said:
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but I agree we can trade down to get him. Rosen with the concussions scares me. Neurosurgeon dad is going to put a stop to that if he gets a few more. This isn't the 90s a-la Steve Young.


This might be true, that NYG could possibly trade down to get Mayfield, but why would you play games with a potential franchise QB? Unless NYG is highly confident that Mayfield's value is lower than round-1, this is way too risky.

If NYG likes Mayfield, go get him in your 2nd pick, and don't risk losing him to the Jets at 6 or any other team. Just go get him.

RE: I just don't understand  
BillT : 1/8/2018 7:34 am : link
In comment 13777279 rebel yell said:
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the love for Mayfield. Passion and charisma are great attributes--Johnny Manziel and RGIII also had them.

Mayfield can make all the throws with high accuracy, read defenses, find 2nd and 3rd options, look off safeties, throw from the pocket or on the run. Heís not Manzel or RGIII who were limited in many of these skills (or were alcoholics).
RE: RE: Mayfield...  
Brown Recluse : 1/8/2018 7:38 am : link
In comment 13777531 BleedBlue said:
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In comment 13777239 Sy'56 said:


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Will be a 1st rounder, but not in the top 10.



I know you're the guru around here but I highly disagree...

If he interviews well, teams will care less about his "antics"
I don't expect him to get past the Jets at 6. If he Falls to 8-10 a team will trade up. If he doesn't go 10, he goes 11...I think the kid will be that much of a hot item come draft day. Teams want guys who produce. His ability to move and keep eyes downfield for a throw over run is huge. He can run, but he shows tremendous accuracy while on move. I prefer darnold but I think mayfield will go top ten...whether or not he pans out is different story


History disagrees with you. Character issues will drop a player on team boards like a hat. It has only gotten more prevalent with social media. Teams don't want media distractions.
RE: Mayfield...  
Percy : 1/8/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13777239 Sy'56 said:
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Will be a 1st rounder, but not in the top 10.

Surprised by this. Why not, Sy?
I think Baker Mayfield  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/8/2018 10:20 am : link
Will be the QB who makes the biggest impact for whatever team that drafts him. And he will be drafted. If he goes to the Jags he will take them to the playoffs in his first season. He has everything you want in a QB, except ideal height and that factor will steer some teams away from him. If Rosen showed more desire and was not as concussion prone ( due to being a statute in the pocket) he would be an ideal pick. However he reminds me more of Kerry Collins than Tom Brady. We have already been down that Road with Collins.
RE: Email this to the Giants  
Reale01 : 1/8/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13777106 Essex said:
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I would hate for them to be without this cogent analysis before draft day


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: Email this to the Giants  
Reale01 : 1/8/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13777106 Essex said:
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I would hate for them to be without this cogent analysis before draft day


LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RE: I just don't understand  
NYG07 : 1/8/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13777279 rebel yell said:
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the love for Mayfield. Passion and charisma are great attributes--Johnny Manziel and RGIII also had them.


He is so much more than that. You guys can bitch and moan all you want about his crotch grabbing and sprinting down the sidelines waving his arms.

Look at his play. He is easily the most accurate passer in this draft class, and he reads coverage and finds the open man.

There was a play in the big 12 championship where he had a pass rusher directly in his face, and he looked off the safety to the left, reset his feet to the right, and threw a dime for a 40 something yard touchdown, with a perfect pass before he got drilled.

Against Georgia, he went through his progression, held the deep safety and then threw a perfect pass over the LB and in from of the safety to his tight end.

He is not a perfect prospect by any means, but there is a ton to like about him.
Accuracy, mobility, high energy  
LG in NYC : 1/8/2018 4:54 pm : link
I've liked Mayfield for a while now but after watching Brees yesterday, I am even more on the Mayfield train.

In my perfect world, we trade down a few spots get Mayfield and a few extra picks and re-stock the cupboard in a big way.
RE: RE: I just don't understand  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2018 5:07 pm : link
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Look at his play. He is easily the most accurate passer in this draft class, and he reads coverage and finds the open man.



"Hello" - Josh Rosen
RE: RE: RE: I just don't understand  
NYG07 : 1/8/2018 6:29 pm : link
In comment 13778704 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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Look at his play. He is easily the most accurate passer in this draft class, and he reads coverage and finds the open man.





"Hello" - Josh Rosen


Oh I like Rosen a lot too. I think ultimately the Giants will end up deciding between Mayfield and Rosen, because I think Cleveland is going to take Darnold at 1. But who knows at this point.
My untrained eye  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2018 6:38 pm : link
thinks Rosen is the best passer. Of course, the injury history scares me.

At the end of the day I'd be cautiously optimistic if they drafted either.

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