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Steve Wilks coaches from the Booth- Not the Sidelines

twostepgiants : 1/7/2018 8:42 pm
I have a big problem with this. I do not see this as a "leader of men"

Here is his quote

ďMy first year, Iím going to do it from up top. I know a lot of guys do it from the field, but I want to be up there so I can see things and get ready for the next call, away from the sideline with all the emotion and hoopla. Iíll be focused and locked in.

ďYou miss the aspect of being able to look into the guysí eyes and see exactly how theyíre feeling and what theyíre thinking, but thatís where trust in your coaches and communication between the booth and the sideline comes in. So on the whole, being up in the booth is more conducive for me.Ē

So who is the guy commanding the defense? I assume its Rivera.

We have been sold that Wilks is a command the room type. A leader of men. A guy who will inspire his players. That will build a culture.

How can you do any of that from the booth?

This tells me he values schemes above that.

Ive never liked guys who went with the booth over the sidelines
I have absolutely no problem with this.  
Vin_Cuccs : 1/7/2018 8:46 pm : link
It really is just a personal preference. I think that this tends to be more of an optics thing. In reality, it doesn't really matter much.

I understand your concern, and it used to bother me too, but I think this is more of a media creation than anything else.
Lol  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/7/2018 8:47 pm : link
Get lost guy.
Wilks is too new of a coordinator  
larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 8:49 pm : link
He took over a defense with strong coordinator McDermott. Who lead the bills to their first playoff in 19 years.
He has zero resume.
This team is not in the position to take the risk on another green coordinator with no resume
It's more than just optics.  
Jarvis : 1/7/2018 8:51 pm : link
It goes to the inexperience which is the issue. He has 1 year at DC. His only year he's been in the booth the whole time. So the Giants want some experience and they hire someone who hasn't even coached from the sideline in the highest position he has held...and he has held it for only 1 year? Seems more risky than Macadoo. Talk about optics...people are basing his coaching ability on a youtube video of him answering questions and saying he "sounds like a leader of men."
plenty of reasons to be concerned  
bluepepper : 1/7/2018 8:57 pm : link
about Wilks.....this is not one of them.
two step tripping over his own feet again  
rich in DC : 1/7/2018 8:59 pm : link
Nothing to see here, move along.
This would be a shock hire for me  
Big Rick in FL : 1/7/2018 8:59 pm : link
I don't dislike the guy, but he has no experience. The Defense was already good & he's coaching from the booth. I'm not a fan of that.

IMO it has to be either McDaniels or Shurmur. You let the new coach draft and groom the QB he wants. Probably Shurmur to be honest. Just look what he's doing with a career backup and a bunch of guys nobody was really interested in coming out of college.
Ron Rivera  
Defenderdawg : 1/7/2018 9:01 pm : link
Jourdan Rodrigue (@JourdanRodrigue)
1/7/18, 8:13 PM
Rivera says that he has a ďhunchĒ that itís ďSteve Wilksí time.Ē Looked genuinely sad.
I really  
mattyblue : 1/7/2018 9:03 pm : link
donít know anything about Wilks, but it seems like a very risky hire. I think the Giants are going to look elsewhere.
McDermott also coached from  
Simms11 : 1/7/2018 9:08 pm : link
the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?
some of the comments made  
blueblood : 1/7/2018 9:10 pm : link
about the possible coaching hires rest somewhere between totally ignorant, absolutely stupid, and ridiculously insane.
RE: McDermott also coached from  
larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 9:11 pm : link
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?


McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.
BUT as a head coach  
Andy in Boston : 1/7/2018 9:12 pm : link
He would be on the sidelines .... so who really cares.
Seriously?  
Rflairr : 1/7/2018 9:12 pm : link
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RE: RE: McDermott also coached from  
Sean : 1/7/2018 9:13 pm : link
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.


And he was fired after a disastrous year as DC with the Eagles. So, who knows?
RE: RE: McDermott also coached from  
Simms11 : 1/7/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13777363 larryflower37 said:
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.


What's that have to do with coaching from the booth?!
RE: McDermott also coached from  
Big Rick in FL : 1/7/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13777360 Simms11 said:
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?


Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.

Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.
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larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 9:21 pm : link
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.



What's that have to do with coaching from the booth?!

Absolutely nothing.
Coaching from the booth has no bearing on his success.
But comparing the 2 is meaningless. He is running McDermott's defense.
_________  
I am Ninja : 1/7/2018 9:25 pm : link
If we come out of the Ben McAdoo experiment with Steve Wilks we should just quit.
RE: _________  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/7/2018 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13777380 I am Ninja said:
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If we come out of the Ben McAdoo experiment with Steve Wilks we should just quit.


I just don't see them making this move after the Mac fiasco.
Steve has been the asst. HC for the last few years  
Peppers : 1/7/2018 9:41 pm : link
I think that speaks for something.


*Side Note- Mike Tomlin was a DC for just one season.
As long as he can lead with no nonsense  
SHO'NUFF : 1/7/2018 9:45 pm : link
and knows how to delegate, I don't care where he sits.
RE: RE: McDermott also coached from  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2018 9:48 pm : link
In comment 13777373 Big Rick in FL said:
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.

Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.

Question marks? For who, the fans? Because you donít know anything about the guy? Does Rivera sound like there are tons of question marks with the guy? How about Gettleman? Have you seen all the quotes from people that have worked with him, played for him, etc? I donít see a lot of people questioning his future. At all.

But Giants fans donít know him and now they think everybody is McAdoo reincarnated.
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Big Rick in FL : 1/7/2018 9:58 pm : link
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.

Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.


Question marks? For who, the fans? Because you donít know anything about the guy? Does Rivera sound like there are tons of question marks with the guy? How about Gettleman? Have you seen all the quotes from people that have worked with him, played for him, etc? I donít see a lot of people questioning his future. At all.

But Giants fans donít know him and now they think everybody is McAdoo reincarnated.


Packers coaches and players spoke highly of McAdoo. That obviously doesn't mean shit.

Yes plenty of question marks about his coaching. He took over a very good defense. Can he improve a shitty defense? Will he know how to interact with the players on the sideline? How is his play calling? Is he getting the defense in position to succeed or is the smartest LB in football doing that? Is he really that good of a coach when he couldn't find a better job then DBs coach for nearly 15 years?

Shurmur, McDaniels & Patricia don't have nearly as many question marks and have proven track records. Wilks does not.
We are the same fan base  
bradshaw44 : 1/7/2018 10:00 pm : link
That nearly murdered Bill Sheridan for coaching from the booth.
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larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 10:04 pm : link
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



Sean McDermott was also a DC for 7 years prior to becoming a HC. He turned a shitty defense into a very good one. It's not only about the booth. He was already a proven commodity.

Wilks has been a DC for 1 year. He took over a defense that was in the SB just two years ago with a lot of the same players. There's just way too many question marks and this is one of them.


Question marks? For who, the fans? Because you donít know anything about the guy? Does Rivera sound like there are tons of question marks with the guy? How about Gettleman? Have you seen all the quotes from people that have worked with him, played for him, etc? I donít see a lot of people questioning his future. At all.

But Giants fans donít know him and now they think everybody is McAdoo reincarnated.



Packers coaches and players spoke highly of McAdoo. That obviously doesn't mean shit.

Yes plenty of question marks about his coaching. He took over a very good defense. Can he improve a shitty defense? Will he know how to interact with the players on the sideline? How is his play calling? Is he getting the defense in position to succeed or is the smartest LB in football doing that? Is he really that good of a coach when he couldn't find a better job then DBs coach for nearly 15 years?

Shurmur, McDaniels & Patricia don't have nearly as many question marks and have proven track records. Wilks does not.

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Probably already  
darren in pdx : 1/7/2018 10:06 pm : link
mentioned in the thread but this concern is irrelevant considering he would be on the sidelines as a head coach...unless he said he wants to head coach from the box in his interview and at that point DG/Mara would respond 'good luck with your future endeavors' and slowly walk out.
He may or may not be the next HC. How can we have  
Blue21 : 1/7/2018 10:16 pm : link
enough knowledge of the candidates to know. Also, coaching from the booth may not be his coach maybe it's his head coaches choice. Is the OC up there also? The choice the Giants make may also depend on who wants to come here. Giants may not be the first choice for their first choice. Shumur maybe? That's been my guess but I don't know really how good he would be or if he even wants to come here. He's interviewing with other teams. Same with Wilks. Everyone wants to select the coach from their laptop. Crazy.
I posted this on another thread,  
chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 10:21 pm : link
But 5 of the 8 coaches still in the playoffs are in their first HC gig.
Hope not.  
madgiantscow009 : 1/7/2018 10:25 pm : link
One year as a DC and wants to head coach via skype from a rental home in Italy.
RE: I posted this on another thread,  
BigBlueShock : 1/7/2018 10:27 pm : link
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But 5 of the 8 coaches still in the playoffs are in their first HC gig.

Donít tell these guys that. They donít want to hear it. McAdoo sucked so now now every 1st Time HC candidate sucks. Never mind all of the ones that have had success...
These decisions, for QB and HC,  
81_Great_Dane : 1/7/2018 10:27 pm : link
are going to be made about imperfect candidates with imperfect information. Everybody has flaws. Everyone's knowledge is flawed.
why are so many people high on this guy?  
JerrysKids : 1/7/2018 10:35 pm : link
They don't have a good defence.
He commands  
CT Charlie : 1/7/2018 10:37 pm : link
the film room.
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chopperhatch : 1/7/2018 10:40 pm : link
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But 5 of the 8 coaches still in the playoffs are in their first HC gig.


Donít tell these guys that. They donít want to hear it. McAdoo sucked so now now every 1st Time HC candidate sucks. Never mind all of the ones that have had success...


John Fox had plenty of experience. Including two super bowl appearances.

Jim Caldwell, Bruce Arians, Ken Whisenhunt...they all had a lot of experience as HCs. They also havent had much playoff success.

Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Jon Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin are all working their first HC jobs. In fact the vast majority of the league has guys in place who had never been a HC before.

Just a dumb and shitty argument. There are what? Less than 10 guys coaching in 2017 that have head coaching ecperience?
Twostepgiants = Jennifer Shurmur?  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/7/2018 11:18 pm : link
Seriously, I think Pat Shurmur is a solid candidate. But twostepgiants seems oddly eager to construct arguments in Shurmur's favor. The Giants should hire Shurmur because he directs the Viking offense from the sideline? Because he lifted the 2010 Rams to a lofty 26th-place finish in both points scored and total offense, after they were 29th/32nd the previous year - also under his direction? Because he coaxed nine wins from the Browns over two seasons? Because, under his tutelage, our rookie QB can aspire to become the next Sam Bradford or Nick Foles, or even Case Keenum?
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larryflower37 : 1/7/2018 11:18 pm : link
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But 5 of the 8 coaches still in the playoffs are in their first HC gig.


Donít tell these guys that. They donít want to hear it. McAdoo sucked so now now every 1st Time HC candidate sucks. Never mind all of the ones that have had success...



John Fox had plenty of experience. Including two super bowl appearances.

Jim Caldwell, Bruce Arians, Ken Whisenhunt...they all had a lot of experience as HCs. They also havent had much playoff success.

Sean Payton, Mike McCarthy, Jon Harbaugh, Mike Tomlin are all working their first HC jobs. In fact the vast majority of the league has guys in place who had never been a HC before.

Just a dumb and shitty argument. There are what? Less than 10 guys coaching in 2017 that have head coaching ecperience?

It's not about head coaching experience.
It's about overall experience. He has only been a DC for one season for a defense built by a strong DC. (McDermott)
The coaches you named were good coordinators (besides Tomlin) They were proven.
I don't mind a first time coach but have a strong resume.
RE: Twostepgiants = Jennifer Shurmur?  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/8/2018 6:14 am : link
In comment 13777503 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Seriously, I think Pat Shurmur is a solid candidate. But twostepgiants seems oddly eager to construct arguments in Shurmur's favor. The Giants should hire Shurmur because he directs the Viking offense from the sideline? Because he lifted the 2010 Rams to a lofty 26th-place finish in both points scored and total offense, after they were 29th/32nd the previous year - also under his direction? Because he coaxed nine wins from the Browns over two seasons? Because, under his tutelage, our rookie QB can aspire to become the next Sam Bradford or Nick Foles, or even Case Keenum?


I canít wait for the HC decision to be made so some of this nonsense can end, but I know no matter who is selected there will be some level of whining.
so did Ron Erhardt.  
Victor in CT : 1/8/2018 9:03 am : link
who cares
I have no problem with Wilks deciding to coach  
Section331 : 1/8/2018 9:25 am : link
from the booth. His job is DC, he shouldn't be treating it as a prelude to a HC gig, he should be concerned about doing his job the best way he can. If he feels that is from the booth, then he should do it.

My concern with him is his lack of experience as a coordinator. Hiring a one-year DC as HC really concerns me.
I agree with Sectio331  
Kevin_in_Pgh : 1/8/2018 9:38 am : link
Him being in the booth means he's focused on *his job* as a DC - which means focusing on the Xs and Os during the games. He can still be acting effectively as a "leader of men" at all times. It also shows that he knows how to delegate - that he trusts his staff to work with players on the field. That's important for a head coach, IMHO.

All that said, it is a bit of a risky hire based on his level of experience. But, honestly, so is hiring any coordinator and hoping he can make the leap to HC. And it's not like there's no risk in hiring a re-tread who looks bad. BB fit that mold and has been wildly successful - but most of these guys are who their prior work says they are. And McAdoo may have failed making the leap after one year, but Tomlin didn't. In the end, it's about the guy, and the hard part about hiring is figuring out the Peter Principle.
Absolutely ridiculous.  
Keith : 1/8/2018 9:56 am : link
So because a coordinator is in the booth and not on the field, he is:

A: Not a leader of men
B: Not a good HC candidate

Sound logic, please contribute more.
Clearly the OP has never coached a football game  
djstat : 1/8/2018 12:02 pm : link
I can tell you from being a Defensive Coordinator for High School football for 11 years, I prefer calling defense from the "booth". It gives you a different view point and you can see what players are doing that may dictate what defenses you call. Sure, I'd love to be on the sidelines and have called games from the sidelines, but calling a defense I found easier from the booth. I do not think my leadership has been called into question.

This is not a knock on Wilks.
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Simms11 : 1/8/2018 12:19 pm : link
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the booth. How'd he make out as a Head Coach?



McDermott was a coordinator for 8 years and lead a top defense for most of that.



What's that have to do with coaching from the booth?!


Absolutely nothing.
Coaching from the booth has no bearing on his success.
But comparing the 2 is meaningless. He is running McDermott's defense.


Comparing the two is not meaningless because the OP titled the thread that he coaches from the Booth - not the sidelines, well that is the comparison that I was responding to. That fact to me is meaningless as McDermott has already shown success. The assumption is that because he coaches from the Booth he's not in tune with the players, etc, well, I pointed out that McDermott did the same thing and he's had success as a head coach. I don't know where you're going with this?
McDermott is a success? Why?  
twostepgiants : 1/8/2018 2:43 pm : link
The Bills went 9-7, with an easy schedule, and made the playoffs on a miracle in the awful AFC.

Its one year.

Ben McAdoo went 11-5 and made the playoffs. Was he good?

Lets hold he phone on the McDermott was good talk and see more evidence.

The guy made one of the most awful HC decisions by pulling Taylor and putting in a QB who had no business seeing the field. 5 first half INTs!

So lets slow down with the McDermott is good talk.
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