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NFT: What is your opinion of the Rocky movies?

Route 9 : 1/7/2018 10:23 pm
I always watch 1-6 (and Creed) a bit after Christmas and finish them up before the new year begins. It seems as if a lot of people my age (30, gonna be 31) took a liking to those movies. I guess it's because they were the old classics from "the old days" (70s 80s, lol).

The one thing I cannot do is watch the fights at the end for reason. What do you think of the series? Corny? Way too Philly for you? The main thing I like about the movies is the characters. I liked Rocky, Adrian, Apollo and of course Paulie is the one close jerk off friend (brother in law). I always thought IV was my favorite then I grew older and it got weird to me. SO many montages! Spoilers!

Which one is your favorite? Least?
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Plus Rocky  
smshmth8690 : 1/8/2018 12:04 am : link
was probably an Eagles fan. Fuck him.
RE: RE: I liked all of them except for V, with 1 being far and away the best.  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/8/2018 12:48 am : link
In comment 13777516 Stu11 said:
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In comment 13777512 Dave in Hoboken said:


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Sidenote: The real Rocky, that the character is based on, Chuck Wepner, aka 'The Bayonne Bleeder', from my hometown of Bayonne, is a family friend. He worked as a bouncer at a bar in Bayonne that my grandmother and grandfather owned and was very good friends with them for a very long time. My mom grew up knowing him.

I went back home last weekend to see my mom. I took her to Jersey Mikes in Bayonne (where she still lives) to get sandwiches, and Chuck Wepner was actually there. My mom and him spoke for like 15-20 mins. I shook his hand and said hi. He says he has another movie coming out in May of this year called the 'New Jersey Assassin.' He's 79 but you really wouldn't know it if you saw him in person. He's huge and his hand absolutely completely covered mine when he shook my hand. And even more surprising, depsite being a boxer all of those years and taking Muhamad Ali to the limit in his prime, Chuck is still all there mentally.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that.


Thats a cool story bro that really is a cool story! lol


Thanks man. :)
Agree with the masses - original Rocky is a great movie  
mfsd : 1/8/2018 12:52 am : link
and boxing is really only an ancillary part of the story

2 through 4 got progressively sillier, but I still find them watching and entertaining. 5 is one of the worst movies ever filmed, 6 was a worthy nostalgic effort but still pretty silly
Years ago, I bought the Rocky box set, parts I - V  
Bramton1 : 1/8/2018 1:11 am : link
This was before Rocky Balboa, much less Creed.

Anyway, I took out V and dropped it straight in the trash. Where it belongs.
Oh, and Rocky IV soundtrack  
Bramton1 : 1/8/2018 1:11 am : link
was the best 80s movie soundtrack.
RE: I liked all of them except for V, with 1 being far and away the best.  
RasputinPrime : 1/8/2018 1:20 am : link
In comment 13777512 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Sidenote: The real Rocky, that the character is based on, Chuck Wepner, aka 'The Bayonne Bleeder', from my hometown of Bayonne, is a family friend. He worked as a bouncer at a bar in Bayonne that my grandmother and grandfather owned and was very good friends with them for a very long time. My mom grew up knowing him.

I went back home last weekend to see my mom. I took her to Jersey Mikes in Bayonne (where she still lives) to get sandwiches, and Chuck Wepner was actually there. My mom and him spoke for like 15-20 mins. I shook his hand and said hi. He says he has another movie coming out in May of this year called the 'New Jersey Assassin.' He's 79 but you really wouldn't know it if you saw him in person. He's huge and his hand absolutely completely covered mine when he shook my hand. And even more surprising, depsite being a boxer all of those years and taking Muhamad Ali to the limit in his prime, Chuck is still all there mentally.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that.


thanks for sharing the story. that's pretty awesome.
RE: I liked all of them except for V, with 1 being far and away the best.  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 6:20 am : link
In comment 13777512 Dave in Hoboken said:
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Sidenote: The real Rocky, that the character is based on, Chuck Wepner, aka 'The Bayonne Bleeder', from my hometown of Bayonne, is a family friend. He worked as a bouncer at a bar in Bayonne that my grandmother and grandfather owned and was very good friends with them for a very long time. My mom grew up knowing him.

I went back home last weekend to see my mom. I took her to Jersey Mikes in Bayonne (where she still lives) to get sandwiches, and Chuck Wepner was actually there. My mom and him spoke for like 15-20 mins. I shook his hand and said hi. He says he has another movie coming out in May of this year called the 'New Jersey Assassin.' He's 79 but you really wouldn't know it if you saw him in person. He's huge and his hand absolutely completely covered mine when he shook my hand. And even more surprising, depsite being a boxer all of those years and taking Muhamad Ali to the limit in his prime, Chuck is still all there mentally.

Anyway, just thought I'd share that.
There's a movie titled Chuck that was released last spring and is now showing on Showtime, I believe. Liev Schreiber plays Chuck. It's supposed to be pretty good.
As for the Rocky films  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 6:25 am : link
The original was an excellent film. The rest of the original 5 get progressively camper, with V completely unwatchable. I just pretend it didn't exist. Rocky Balboa helped erase that film for me. I wanted to like Creed more, but it was eh. As someone said, if it wasn't attached to Rocky, I don't think I would have cared.

II is the polarizing one. People either love it (probably because Rocky wins) or hate it. I used to think it was my favorite, I think because the younger me liked seeing him win. But, I find it tough to watch now. However, I still get goosebumps from the moment Adrian wakes to the end of the subsequent training montage.
the sequels don't come close to the original  
micky : 1/8/2018 6:33 am : link
imo
Just the first one which is classic  
idiotsavant : 1/8/2018 7:23 am : link
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The first one was great.  
Brown Recluse : 1/8/2018 7:36 am : link
The next 3 were good. Everything after that was crap.

I thought Creed was "ok," but not nearly as good as all the buzz it was getting.
first one was great. gritty, realistic '70s urban vibe. II and II were  
Victor in CT : 1/8/2018 8:09 am : link
entertaining, should have quit there. I did enjoy Rocky Balboa up until the actual fight part.
Rocky 1 was a classic  
njm : 1/8/2018 8:21 am : link
None of the rest comes close.
Yeah, I liked 'em all, some more than others.  
Beezer : 1/8/2018 8:36 am : link
Can't say I completely hated any. Even the worst ones are somewhat fun for people who grew up in the 70s/80s and in/around boxing gyms, good and crappy. It's all a fun throwback, really.
RE: Definitely disagree with a lot of you on Rocky 2  
Chef : 1/8/2018 8:42 am : link
In comment 13777513 Stu11 said:
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I thought it was a classic right up there maybe a notch below 1, only because you just couldn't replicate a classic entirely. I agree 3 started a progressive slide downhill though Mr. T gave a decent performance in 3, and though the theme song wasn't at the level of the Bill Conti classic score Eye of the Tiger is a cool theme. 4 dove into 80's hell of montages and muscle close-ups. 5 was garbage, 6 was ok but just too godamn depressing and Creed was good but I think it gets a little overrated just because the series had become such shit.


This....
just one or two notches  
Rocky369 : 1/8/2018 8:47 am : link
below sliced bread. And there's nothing wrong with Five; Four is the best of the bunch. George Lucas should take notes on how to put a series of movies together.
Love 'em all except Rocky V.  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2018 8:59 am : link
My favorite, though it's not close to being the best, is Rocky IV. The absurdity of the Russian crowd turning on Drago & rooting for Rocky...hilarious.

Rocky III is probably the best one IMO.

'THE RUSSIAN IS CUT.'
They are timeless...  
Chris684 : 1/8/2018 9:03 am : link
1 is a masterpiece.

2 is as good a sequel as there is.

Admittedly, 3 and 4 start to get a little silly but are still highly entertaining. Clubber Lang and Drago are both perfect villains.

5 was a dumpster fire.

The biggest surprise to me out of all the movies is how well done both Rocky Balboa and Creed were so many years after the fact. Maybe the expectations were just lower but both held up well to the amount of time that had passed by I thought.
RE: The original is a great movie  
ron mexico : 1/8/2018 9:14 am : link
In comment 13777466 hassan said:
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Even the second was still passably good then total trash until Creed a very good movie.


I pity the fool that doesnt lime rocky 3
What I learned about boxing from Rocky  
jnoble : 1/8/2018 10:17 am : link
Its legal and not an immediate disqualification to toss your opponent WWE style into the corner to continue wailing on him. The ref will also not stop the fight even though one fighter is clearly being defeated and possibly about to die. Also punches land with the sound of someone dropping a bag of wet cement and nobody blocks or ducks many punches...in fact, getting one haymaker after another directly to the face will only make one mad and more determined to win
I'm 35 and spent most of my life thinking  
aimrocky : 1/8/2018 10:34 am : link
the Rocky series is the best of all time. My order of preference is 1 & 2 (like them both equally), 4, 3, Balboa, 5 & Creed. The only reason I have Creed last is because I haven't seen it multiple times like the others, and it didn't WOW me the only time I had seen it.

I think the storyline in 2 is really strong, and winning the fight puts it on the same level as 1. I prefer 4 to 3 because of the cheesy montages and music. I wasn't a big fan of 3 at all.
RE: I'm 35 and spent most of my life thinking  
jnoble : 1/8/2018 10:43 am : link
In comment 13777907 aimrocky said:
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the Rocky series is the best of all time. My order of preference is 1 & 2 (like them both equally), 4, 3, Balboa, 5 & Creed. The only reason I have Creed last is because I haven't seen it multiple times like the others, and it didn't WOW me the only time I had seen it.

I think the storyline in 2 is really strong, and winning the fight puts it on the same level as 1. I prefer 4 to 3 because of the cheesy montages and music. I wasn't a big fan of 3 at all.

The pantomiming in 3 was bad. You could see the punches were missing by a mile
...  
Route 9 : 1/8/2018 10:51 am : link
Probably one of the most underrated parts of the series in the first film was when Rocky noticed his shorts were wrong and the press guy or whoever brushed it off as it didn't matter...as if he....didn't matter and this will all be over soon. Great stuff.

To be honest, I don't even really remember what my expectations were going into Rocky Balboa. Even THAT movie is around 12-13 years old. I just remember thinking "Oh yeah? they're making a new movie? If handled right, it is not hard to re-end the series topping Rocky V"

I remember seeing Rocky Balboa with a group of friends at 1pm or so on opening day. The one friend of my friend got all paranoid thinking we wouldn't get in because it was sold out and he bought all of our tickets for us. I still never paid that guy back to this day...

I think other than our group and maybe one couple up front the entire theatre was empty.
I like them all  
Csonka : 1/8/2018 11:31 am : link
Yeah, 5 is bad. I can't watch the first 90% of it ever again but I'll still tune in for the last 10 minutes to see the street fight.
"My ring's outside".
RE: I like them all  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/8/2018 11:56 am : link
In comment 13778047 Csonka said:
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Yeah, 5 is bad. I can't watch the first 90% of it ever again but I'll still tune in for the last 10 minutes to see the street fight.
"My ring's outside".


this makes me cringe "beat him up dad he took my room"

ugh
Rocky 3 or Rocky 4 people... thats the real question  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/8/2018 11:57 am : link
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Not a fan at all  
Beer Man : 1/8/2018 1:17 pm : link
Loved Rocky when I was 8  
Modus Operandi : 1/8/2018 1:34 pm : link
Now they just seem silly as heck. I don't think I could sit through 10min without wanting to flip the channel. Except for IV, which is awesome for all the wrong reasons.
In all but Creed, the boxing scenes are cringeworthy.  
Cam in MO : 1/8/2018 1:39 pm : link
Rocky leads with his face FFS.

As someone said earlier, tho- one is a great story and the boxing is ancillary- the rest except 5 are fun. Creed was ok, IMO. Definitely better than 3- Balboa, but not as good as the first two.
RE: RE: I like them all  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13778095 GMAN4LIFE said:
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Yeah, 5 is bad. I can't watch the first 90% of it ever again but I'll still tune in for the last 10 minutes to see the street fight.
"My ring's outside".



this makes me cringe "beat him up dad he took my room"

ugh
I can't even watch that. It is the only rocky movie I will not stop to watch at all when flipping the channels.
RE: RE: I'm 35 and spent most of my life thinking  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 1:42 pm : link
In comment 13777928 jnoble said:
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the Rocky series is the best of all time. My order of preference is 1 & 2 (like them both equally), 4, 3, Balboa, 5 & Creed. The only reason I have Creed last is because I haven't seen it multiple times like the others, and it didn't WOW me the only time I had seen it.

I think the storyline in 2 is really strong, and winning the fight puts it on the same level as 1. I prefer 4 to 3 because of the cheesy montages and music. I wasn't a big fan of 3 at all.


The pantomiming in 3 was bad. You could see the punches were missing by a mile
That's one thing Stallone supposedly wanted to "fix" in IV. So, instead he broke a rib filming the match with Drago from a punch by Lundgren.
RE: What I learned about boxing from Rocky  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13777859 jnoble said:
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Its legal and not an immediate disqualification to toss your opponent WWE style into the corner to continue wailing on him. The ref will also not stop the fight even though one fighter is clearly being defeated and possibly about to die. Also punches land with the sound of someone dropping a bag of wet cement and nobody blocks or ducks many punches...in fact, getting one haymaker after another directly to the face will only make one mad and more determined to win
I tink in Rocky IV Rocky gets knocked down and bounces right back up and the ref never gives him a count. It was either III or IV.
the only one  
Enzo : 1/8/2018 1:46 pm : link
that's truly bad is V.
Rocky - classic.
Rocky II - painfully slow at times but the final training montage/fight saves it.
Rocky III - from Thunderlips to Clubber - just a fantastically entertaining movie.
Rocky IV - Hearts on Fire was my ringtone for years. It's basically 4-5 music videos pasted together to make a movie, but I get sucked in every time.
Rocky Balboa - Not great but much better than it had any right to be.
Creed - I thought this was overrated, but when the music kicks in for the last scene I got chills.
I was entertained by all of them  
pjcas18 : 1/8/2018 1:55 pm : link
I think Rocky V was the worst (if that's the one with Tommy Morrison). Rocky I and II my favorites like most people.

but I find the story of Sylvester Stallone trying to get Rocky made more inspirational than Chuck Wepner's real story (though Stallone denies Wepner provided any inspiration to the Rocky movies).

If you haven't researched that at all you should.
RE: I was entertained by all of them  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 2:07 pm : link
In comment 13778383 pjcas18 said:
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I think Rocky V was the worst (if that's the one with Tommy Morrison). Rocky I and II my favorites like most people.

but I find the story of Sylvester Stallone trying to get Rocky made more inspirational than Chuck Wepner's real story (though Stallone denies Wepner provided any inspiration to the Rocky movies).

If you haven't researched that at all you should.
You are right about Stallone. He nearly starved holding out to also star in the film. He actually happens to be an intelligent guy whose face was partially paralyzed as a little kid. that accounts for his speech and the snarl.
RE: I was entertained by all of them  
Cam in MO : 1/8/2018 2:10 pm : link
In comment 13778383 pjcas18 said:
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I think Rocky V was the worst (if that's the one with Tommy Morrison). Rocky I and II my favorites like most people.

but I find the story of Sylvester Stallone trying to get Rocky made more inspirational than Chuck Wepner's real story (though Stallone denies Wepner provided any inspiration to the Rocky movies).

If you haven't researched that at all you should.


He only started denying it when Wepner started asking for money- which, btw he eventually got after a long legal battle. It was early interviews with Stallone acknowledging Chuck as the inspiration that won it for him, if I'm not mistaken.
they  
Les in TO : 1/8/2018 2:53 pm : link
are classic sports movies - except for V which was an abomination. Don't get the hate for IV, that may be the best of the bunch.
RE: they  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 2:56 pm : link
In comment 13778469 Les in TO said:
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are classic sports movies - except for V which was an abomination. Don't get the hate for IV, that may be the best of the bunch.
IV is utterly ridiculous and laughable with stuff like the entire Soviet crowd rooting for Rocky, but it is still such an enjoyable movie. The montage while he's driving and then the training montage are classics. As mentioned, the soundtrack for this is a classic. Sure, it's stupid, but how an you not love it?
Here's my issue with Rocky IV  
B in ALB : 1/8/2018 3:10 pm : link
You have to think about it in the context of the Cold War and the time that it was released. I remember being a kid and watching it in the theater and it was awesome! Such a pro-American story, taking it to the Russians, they cheat, killed an American hero, James Brown, American heart, etc.

Total dreck but a fun movie nonetheless.
Rocky IV  
Enzo : 1/8/2018 3:16 pm : link
might have 15 lines of dialogue. There's barely a script there. But it's still awesome.
IV is so bad, it's good  
Modus Operandi : 1/8/2018 3:20 pm : link
Beginning with the opening sequence. Two gloves in flag colors of the US and USSR. Colliding and then exploding. Imagine that meeting where it was pitched.

How about Rocky singlehandedly bringing down communism? In an hour and a half.

How about that laughable speech at the end. You can change, I can change, we all can change. Couldn't even bother to get the translation correct. So terrible, it's good.
RE: IV is so bad, it's good  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13778515 Modus Operandi said:
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Beginning with the opening sequence. Two gloves in flag colors of the US and USSR. Colliding and then exploding. Imagine that meeting where it was pitched.

How about Rocky singlehandedly bringing down communism? In an hour and a half.

How about that laughable speech at the end. You can change, I can change, we all can change. Couldn't even bother to get the translation correct. So terrible, it's good.
Hoe exactly does "youse" translate? Is that considered the familiar you (pl.)?
RE: RE: IV is so bad, it's good  
Modus Operandi : 1/8/2018 3:31 pm : link
In comment 13778518 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13778515 Modus Operandi said:


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Beginning with the opening sequence. Two gloves in flag colors of the US and USSR. Colliding and then exploding. Imagine that meeting where it was pitched.

How about Rocky singlehandedly bringing down communism? In an hour and a half.

How about that laughable speech at the end. You can change, I can change, we all can change. Couldn't even bother to get the translation correct. So terrible, it's good.

Hoe exactly does "youse" translate? Is that considered the familiar you (pl.)?


I forgot the best part. During the training montage when Rocky outsmarted the KGB agents who are following him in the limo by ducking into the woods (?)

If only Hitler's troops had known of this maneuver during Operation Barbarossa, Europe might look very differently today.

RE: The first is a great movie. an all time great sports movie IMO.  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/8/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13777483 j_rud said:
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The second was very good. After that they were entertaining but a different kind of movie. It's almost like Rocky became an action hero type character.

Interesting (to me) side note: the part of Creed where Rocky is in the hospital was filmed in the hospital I work at, Crozer Chester Medical Center. My office is literally in the hallway that appears on film.


My wife was born in Crozer.
To me, V isn't that much worse than II, III and IV.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 4:48 pm : link
It's just terrible in a different way.
RE: Here's my issue with Rocky IV  
ron mexico : 1/8/2018 4:51 pm : link
In comment 13778492 B in ALB said:
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You have to think about it in the context of the Cold War and the time that it was released. I remember being a kid and watching it in the theater and it was awesome! Such a pro-American story, taking it to the Russians, they cheat, killed an American hero, James Brown, American heart, etc.

Total dreck but a fun movie nonetheless.


You forgot about Thunderlips
RE: RE: Here's my issue with Rocky IV  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 4:52 pm : link
In comment 13778669 ron mexico said:
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In comment 13778492 B in ALB said:


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You have to think about it in the context of the Cold War and the time that it was released. I remember being a kid and watching it in the theater and it was awesome! Such a pro-American story, taking it to the Russians, they cheat, killed an American hero, James Brown, American heart, etc.

Total dreck but a fun movie nonetheless.



You forgot about Thunderlips
That's Rocky III, not IV.
RE: RE: RE: Here's my issue with Rocky IV  
ron mexico : 1/8/2018 5:06 pm : link
In comment 13778673 Matt M. said:
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In comment 13778492 B in ALB said:


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You have to think about it in the context of the Cold War and the time that it was released. I remember being a kid and watching it in the theater and it was awesome! Such a pro-American story, taking it to the Russians, they cheat, killed an American hero, James Brown, American heart, etc.

Total dreck but a fun movie nonetheless.



You forgot about Thunderlips

That's Rocky III, not IV.


My bad.
Oh man, my buddies would kill me if they saw this.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Here's my issue with Rocky IV  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/8/2018 5:37 pm : link
In comment 13778703 ron mexico said:
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In comment 13778669 ron mexico said:


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In comment 13778492 B in ALB said:


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You have to think about it in the context of the Cold War and the time that it was released. I remember being a kid and watching it in the theater and it was awesome! Such a pro-American story, taking it to the Russians, they cheat, killed an American hero, James Brown, American heart, etc.

Total dreck but a fun movie nonetheless.



You forgot about Thunderlips

That's Rocky III, not IV.



My bad.
Oh man, my buddies would kill me if they saw this.


Best part about Rocky IV is James Brown singing “Living in America” as Apollo enters the ring.
Fuck Russia  
Route 9 : 1/8/2018 7:42 pm : link
Go USA!!
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