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My Prerequisite for a Head Coach for the NYG

Tom from LI : 1/8/2018 8:10 am
Keeping it simple here, these are the 4 that are most important to me.

1. You must have been a Head Coach on some level before (college and above) I would prefer NFL Head Coaching experience. I want the candidate to have already cut their teeth and learned from their mistakes. I don't want somebody to learn on the job here.

2. You must have been a coordinator for at least 3 years. I would want the candidate to have been on the sideline, to coach and communicate with the players throughout the game. I know Spags does this. I saw Dick Lebeau do it this weekend. I want a great leader, communicator and teacher.

3.You were/are not a care taker of an already great unit. I want to see your stamp on the unit. Repair something that was in trouble. If you were the care taker, what did you do to bring it to the next level that is noticeable?

4. You have a sound philosophy that can relate easily to the players and get them to buy in. I don't want a "new sheriff in town" type or a millennial whisper that turns camp into a dance club like Mcadoo. I want this coach to be able to get through to the younger players and not only hold them accountable, but have them hold themselves accountable.



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RE: RE: Like I said in another thread  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13777887 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13777799 Greg from LI said:


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There is no magic formula. Some very successful head coaches had little experience and coordinators and had never been a head coach.

Sure, but what challenges did they have to face? Our guy will need to deal with Odell's personality.


Can we stop with this? It's obnoxious. The only thing he does is take his touchdown celebrations a little too far and get really pissed at losing games. Stop acting like the next coach needs a a Ph D in criminal psychology.
Not one..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 10:49 am : link
single mention of calling anyone a moron there.

There's a difference between debating a topic and saying I called people morons.

You do realize we moved Pugh out of necessity and it weakened the guard position, right?

And furthermore, he didn't replace Flowers, which was the topic.

I know that's a bit much to ask to understand nuance, but I'm dealing with a fucking putz.
RE: Not one..  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13777938 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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single mention of calling anyone a moron there.

There's a difference between debating a topic and saying I called people morons.

You do realize we moved Pugh out of necessity and it weakened the guard position, right?

And furthermore, he didn't replace Flowers, which was the topic.

I know that's a bit much to ask to understand nuance, but I'm dealing with a fucking putz.
Ill find the moron comment.

And the whole discussion revolved around getting Hart out of the lineup and playing their best LT at LT.


Mac, may have moved him out of necessity. You are right. The new GM cut Hart in a minute.

You were dead wrong and there is more coming chump.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 10:56 am : link
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And the whole discussion revolved around getting Hart out of the lineup and playing their best LT at LT.


Read the responses there, Ace. Almost every one discusses Flowers. No mention of Hart.

Tell me where I've ever said Hart is a good player and should have stayed at Tackle?

You mention strawmen and then just keep foisting them out there.
BTW lets put to bed Sy being an expert no?  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 10:57 am : link
RE: Sy'56
Sy'56 : 8/2/2017 10:14 pm : link
In comment 13548016 Marty866b said:
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Great stuff! BBI is a great website and you just make it better.
Besides Flowers,my biggest concern about this year's team is the ability or inability to run the ball. We have a questionable offensive line with I guess what would be called unproven runners. What do you forsee out of the running game?


The running game, even moreso than the passing game, lives and dies on the OL. I would day NYG is 50/50 on strong/weak in that department. Good enough to be effective but a very limited ceiling.

I do think Perkins is the most talented RB NYG has had in a very long time. Very good running style, low to the ground, let quickness, balance, vision. It's all there. I think it will be "good enough" but not gamebreakinig at all
RE: LOL...  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 10:59 am : link
In comment 13777961 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And the whole discussion revolved around getting Hart out of the lineup and playing their best LT at LT.



Read the responses there, Ace. Almost every one discusses Flowers. No mention of Hart.

Tell me where I've ever said Hart is a good player and should have stayed at Tackle?

You mention strawmen and then just keep foisting them out there.
The point of the discussion was to move Flowers to RT where he wouldn't be protecting Eli's blindisde, thus getting the garbage that Hart was out of the lineup, and making the blindside stronger.

If you cant admit you were wrong here, then you never will.

BTW, calling the suggestion madness is hysterical, as you did.

Strawman can wait. You were dead wrong in every aspect.
Really??  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:01 am : link
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Basically, given the roster we have, you either have Flowers at Tackle or an equally flawed player there and if you move Pugh, you just move that concern to a Guard position as well.


Where does discussion of Hart come into play? Love the strawman there, Governor.

And by the way - what part of the above statement is wrong?
Not sure whats so incorrect about Sy's Perkins comment.  
Brown Recluse : 1/8/2018 11:02 am : link
He had a promising rookie season. There's no way anyone could have known he was going to mail it in last year.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Perkins and a few other players come back this season with something to prove. They aren't being handed jobs anymore without competition.
RE: Really??  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:07 am : link
In comment 13777974 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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Basically, given the roster we have, you either have Flowers at Tackle or an equally flawed player there and if you move Pugh, you just move that concern to a Guard position as well.



Where does discussion of Hart come into play? Love the strawman there, Governor.

And by the way - what part of the above statement is wrong?


Um, if FLowers move to RT who would that eliminate?

As for where you were wrong, every statement. Literally every statement.

The starting RT has now been cut. Pugh was moved to OT, eventually full time before his injury. Hart was the worst OT in the league. Flowers was rated 57th best LT!!!

The Giants best offensive performances in the pre wr injury period were with Hart out of the lineup and Pugh at OT.

You insinuated it was playing armchair gm, a panic, madness, etc.

You are unable to understand OT is more impotrnat than guard. That the OT position couldn't ruin the season.

Where were you right?
RE: Not sure whats so incorrect about Sy's Perkins comment.  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13777979 Brown Recluse said:
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He had a promising rookie season. There's no way anyone could have known he was going to mail it in last year.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Perkins and a few other players come back this season with something to prove. They aren't being handed jobs anymore without competition.
It was obivous in preseason Gallman was more talented. Perkins is not an NFL rb and wont be on the roster next year.

If any roster.
RE: RE: Not sure whats so incorrect about Sy's Perkins comment.  
Brown Recluse : 1/8/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13777996 Lefty said:
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In comment 13777979 Brown Recluse said:


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He had a promising rookie season. There's no way anyone could have known he was going to mail it in last year.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Perkins and a few other players come back this season with something to prove. They aren't being handed jobs anymore without competition.

It was obivous in preseason Gallman was more talented. Perkins is not an NFL rb and wont be on the roster next year.

If any roster.


Preseason? That comment was made on August 2. The Giants first preseason game wasn't until August 11th. So that comment was most likely made based off of the prior season and what they had seen in shorts and shells.

And Sy has been praising Gallman all season long.
RE: RE: RE: Not sure whats so incorrect about Sy's Perkins comment.  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13778008 Brown Recluse said:
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In comment 13777996 Lefty said:


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In comment 13777979 Brown Recluse said:


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He had a promising rookie season. There's no way anyone could have known he was going to mail it in last year.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to see Perkins and a few other players come back this season with something to prove. They aren't being handed jobs anymore without competition.

It was obivous in preseason Gallman was more talented. Perkins is not an NFL rb and wont be on the roster next year.

If any roster.



Preseason? That comment was made on August 2. The Giants first preseason game wasn't until August 11th. So that comment was most likely made based off of the prior season and what they had seen in shorts and shells.

And Sy has been praising Gallman all season long.
Fair point there. But still, Perkins most talented Giants back in a long time? LOL.
why is anyone arguing with a Simo dupe?  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 11:24 am : link
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RE: why is anyone arguing with a Simo dupe?  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:29 am : link
In comment 13778031 Greg from LI said:
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Not sure what that is.

But what that would have to do with an argument made on content I am not sure.

Are arguments right or wrong to you based on the person delivering them? If so, to borrow a fatman phrase, you are a moron.
I would  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:30 am : link
add, compliment taken. Since you have nothing to say on point.
This is shaping up to be a very short BBI tenure  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/8/2018 11:31 am : link
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Damn.  
Beezer : 1/8/2018 11:32 am : link
Somebody's got a crush. aka Obsession.
Again..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:32 am : link
a January 2018 signee who claims to just have followed posts in the summer who touches upon the same argument that simo PRIVATELY emailed me several times to use the same talking points.

The same emails that bragged about having multiple dupes that the admins can't stop.

Same guy. Same relation to a Father who bilked the elderly out of life savings. Same asshole.
RE: This is shaping up to be a very short BBI tenure  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13778046 Gatorade Dunk said:
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Perhaps:

Schopenhauer: "All truths go through three stages. First, Mockery. Second, adamant denial. Third, causal acceptance as if it were self evident all along."

There is a price to being correct.
RE: RE: RE: Like I said in another thread  
UberAlias : 1/8/2018 11:33 am : link
In comment 13777937 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13777887 UberAlias said:


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In comment 13777799 Greg from LI said:


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There is no magic formula. Some very successful head coaches had little experience and coordinators and had never been a head coach.

Sure, but what challenges did they have to face? Our guy will need to deal with Odell's personality.



Can we stop with this? It's obnoxious. The only thing he does is take his touchdown celebrations a little too far and get really pissed at losing games. Stop acting like the next coach needs a a Ph D in criminal psychology.
Do you watch any sports? Dealing with star players personalities is absolutely a challenge. If you don't think dealing with Odell in the NY media market is a challenge, I'm not sure what to say. The guy has star ego and quick to take to twitter. There have been may distractions created thus far that are the exact opposite of what any coach wants.
RE: Again..  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13778049 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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a January 2018 signee who claims to just have followed posts in the summer who touches upon the same argument that simo PRIVATELY emailed me several times to use the same talking points.

The same emails that bragged about having multiple dupes that the admins can't stop.

Same guy. Same relation to a Father who bilked the elderly out of life savings. Same asshole.
"You are wrong because of who you are."

Wow!!!

BTW, I dont what you are talking about. But in what penal code is a song guilty for his fathers crimes?

You get proven wrong so you detract and make baseless accusations about a stranger you never mets father?

Thats beyond idiocy, thats just ill intent and evil.
LOL...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:38 am : link
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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:

Sep 20, 2017 at 10:15 PM

person bitced about Newhouse? Really? Or his your argument some people did? Is your argument that some people bitched about Newhouse thuss nobody can be angry he wasn't resigned. By that logic nobody could make an argument ever. "Hitler was a monster." Fatman replies "Please people were praising Hitler. Thus hes not a monster."


Listen you dumb ass. You are the biggest moron I have ever encountered in my life and you were dead wrong about the o line. Shut your fucking mouth already. You are an ignorant straw man.


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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:
costs1@yahoo.com

Aug 25, 2017 at 12:01 PM

It's hard to imagine a more pathetic piece of trash than you.

You are not witty. You are not funny. It is the same old straw man arguments that any competent human being would outright reject.

You why mankind sucks. If you were born in NAZI Germany, you would be NAZI. A company line man. Not one original thought in your useless body. Likely a soldier at some point in your past. Just go a long, you say. Just go along.

In my toe, I have more talent.

Change your ways boy. Or continue to waste your pathetic life.

BTW....I have five bbi names right now haha


And the kicker:
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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:
costs1@yahoo.com

Oct 3, 2017 at 4:21 PM
The grand fact of the matter is, you have been wrong about this team in every way a person can be. You are a typical homer. This preseason you ripped on people for pointing out how bad the Giants O-line looked early in camp. You ripped people for suggesting they move Pugh to OT, which was obvious, and the offense is now playing far better because of it. You blindly justify every decision Mac makes, even those that are obviously stupid.

You have subservient mindset relating to authority. You have stated often how the fan should never criticize the GM/coach because we are not in meeting rooms. Instead, you criticize those indiscriminately who you consider on your level.

You are the predictable byproduct of partisan politics. Divide the ignorant masses while both parties rob you blind. You literally epitomize every flaw in mankind. Uncritical of authority and supposedly patriotic. Except, when that patriotism means loving your fellow countrymen. Cause you are nothing but a monster to your fellow Americans. Also, just the same old pathetic straw man arguments. Last week you said: "I didn't hear anyone complain when Mac went for 4th and ones last year." What in the name of fuck does BBI complaints have to do with the validity of decision? Moron.


Sort of verbatim from this thread.
Yeah  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:39 am : link
except for the moronic political comments of which I dont agree with haha.

BTW  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:40 am : link
that guy owned you haha.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Like I said in another thread  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 11:41 am : link
In comment 13778052 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13777937 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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In comment 13777887 UberAlias said:


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In comment 13777799 Greg from LI said:


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There is no magic formula. Some very successful head coaches had little experience and coordinators and had never been a head coach.

Sure, but what challenges did they have to face? Our guy will need to deal with Odell's personality.



Can we stop with this? It's obnoxious. The only thing he does is take his touchdown celebrations a little too far and get really pissed at losing games. Stop acting like the next coach needs a a Ph D in criminal psychology.

Do you watch any sports? Dealing with star players personalities is absolutely a challenge. If you don't think dealing with Odell in the NY media market is a challenge, I'm not sure what to say. The guy has star ego and quick to take to twitter. There have been may distractions created thus far that are the exact opposite of what any coach wants.


He's had zero problems with any head coach he's played for. You're creating an issue.
Somebody..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:42 am : link
who privately emailed me for posts on a message board owned me??

Yeah, that's not fucked up or anything.

Plus, it is fucking you, asswipe.
the scariest part of this thread is the realization  
bLiTz 2k : 1/8/2018 11:46 am : link
that people like this Lefty character exist in the world...that they take things like a message board so seriously that they create dupe after dupe and just lurk until itís time to emotionally explode.


thatís some creepy fucking shit man.
He also..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:54 am : link
likes to email Eric too:

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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:
Eric from BBI
,
Eric from BBI
,
costs1@yahoo.com

Oct 4, 2017 at 3:13 PM

Racist comments again to day and you vile scum piece of shit again did nothing.

You and your family are complete scum garbage. But I dont blame them I blame you.

I have emailed Dottino, Papa and the Giants and notified them of your tolerance to racism with screen shots of said comments.

You fucking piece of scum garbage.

No surprise when you support a moron like Trump.

It is my goal to take this site down and today is the first step.

Also, Scott is attached here for making three racist comments including threatening to kill my family.

Good Day scum and pass on to your scum family.
TTH  
UberAlias : 1/8/2018 11:54 am : link
zero challenges, got it, LOL. Nothing ever come up with him in the media? Never any distractions? No coach ever had to have a sit down with Odell to talk over anything he said or did? He's never done anything or posted anything controversial on social media that might become a distraction?

Got it. Do you think your opinions are widely supported, or might there be some out there, fans or media who disagree?
RE: the scariest part of this thread is the realization  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:54 am : link
In comment 13778074 bLiTz 2k said:
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that people like this Lefty character exist in the world...that they take things like a message board so seriously that they create dupe after dupe and just lurk until itís time to emotionally explode.


thatís some creepy fucking shit man.


Whats creepy is that a bully piece of shit like Fatman can constantly attack people and losers like you go along because you view him as some sort of popular crowd.

Also, that he researched a persons name, long before, and told the rest of the board that persons father was a criminal.

So if you think this Simo character is creepy, which he is, then you would have to think the same as Fatman.
RE: He also..  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13778087 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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likes to email Eric too:



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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:
Eric from BBI
,
Eric from BBI
,
costs1@yahoo.com

Oct 4, 2017 at 3:13 PM

Racist comments again to day and you vile scum piece of shit again did nothing.

You and your family are complete scum garbage. But I dont blame them I blame you.

I have emailed Dottino, Papa and the Giants and notified them of your tolerance to racism with screen shots of said comments.

You fucking piece of scum garbage.

No surprise when you support a moron like Trump.

It is my goal to take this site down and today is the first step.

Also, Scott is attached here for making three racist comments including threatening to kill my family.

Good Day scum and pass on to your scum family.

Seems like you threatened his family and made racist comments. Hmm.

Nice work evading the point of this discussion, your ingorance in August.
Wrong..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:56 am : link
again.

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Also, that he researched a persons name, long before, and told the rest of the board that persons father was a criminal.


I'm pretty sure Greg or somebody else broke the news about the Simo piece of shit.

By the way - your name is in the emails. I don't really have to guess at it there, Captain.
RE: Vince Lombardi  
djstat : 1/8/2018 11:59 am : link
In comment 13777677 bluepepper said:
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Tom Landry
Don Shula
Chuck Noll
Joe Gibbs
Bill Parcells
Mike Tomlin
Mike McCarthy
Andy Reid
John Harbaugh

Partial list of guys who you would not have hired

RE: Wrong..  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 12:02 pm : link
In comment 13778093 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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again.



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Also, that he researched a persons name, long before, and told the rest of the board that persons father was a criminal.



I'm pretty sure Greg or somebody else broke the news about the Simo piece of shit.

By the way - your name is in the emails. I don't really have to guess at it there, Captain.
No clue about that....not my buisness and this simo character.

All I know, is you were wrong this August about everything. No amount of distraction changes that.

What was I wrong..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 12:05 pm : link
about? The offense sucked. The team sucked. And moving Pugh to Tackle didn't yield some sort of outstanding results and it weakened the Guard play?

And supposedly I called people morons?

By the way, replacing Hart wasn't even part of the discussion, even in your email rants. Nice try deflecting that.
RE: What was I wrong..  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13778119 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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about? The offense sucked. The team sucked. And moving Pugh to Tackle didn't yield some sort of outstanding results and it weakened the Guard play?

And supposedly I called people morons?

By the way, replacing Hart wasn't even part of the discussion, even in your email rants. Nice try deflecting that.

Hart was the centerpiece. And yes, if Pugh had started at OT the results clearly would have been better. That is beyond debate.

Anyways, maybe next summer you can redeem yourself. Until then, stop calling people morons.

Good day sir.
Someone else tied the BBI simos to the embezzler  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 12:09 pm : link
Wasn't me. I don't remember who it was.
RE: I started off wanting McDaniels  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 12:17 pm : link
In comment 13777748 Big Rick in FL said:
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The more I've read and researched the more I'm leaning towards Pat Shurmur. He's done a lot of good things with teams/QBs who aren't very good. He's definitely never had the talent that we have.


That's my guy too. If there is a "safe" choice I think it's him or to a lesser extent McDaniels.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 12:27 pm : link
And on cue:

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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:
costs1@yahoo.com

Jan 8 at 12:22 PM

I no longer post on BBI. I saw your emails you posted and I am contacting an attorney for defamation.

Thanks,
Steve


Yeah, like somebody reached out to this fuckstick to alert him.
I hope..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 12:28 pm : link
you'll be able to answer previous emails to me in front of a judge, especially the references to Nazi Germany.

I'll live stream the court hearing on BBI.
RE: LOL..  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13778179 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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And on cue:



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Steven Simoneschi <stevensimoneschi@gmail.com>
To:
costs1@yahoo.com

Jan 8 at 12:22 PM

I no longer post on BBI. I saw your emails you posted and I am contacting an attorney for defamation.

Thanks,
Steve



Yeah, like somebody reached out to this fuckstick to alert him.



Oh, that's just precious!
A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 12:31 pm : link
1) I fail to see where FatMan was wrong. The argument was about moving Pugh to LT in order to move Flowers to RT. I had nothing to do with Hart and everything to do with getting Flowers away from LT. A residual effect would have been replacing the terrible Hart. But, the crux of the point was that Pugh only moved to LT last year when Flowers was hurt and moving him this year would have left a gaping hole at LG, which proved true when Pugh shifted to RT (again out of necessity caused by injury) and then hurt.

2) As for the OL, he didn't comment on it as a whole. He said reports were that Flowers came in to camp ready to work and in shape, or something to that effect. The reality is, after a shaky first couple of games, Flowers actually, by most accounts, improved this year. Does that mean he was a world beater? No. But, he became an mediocre OT, which is still a step up.

3) As for the dup handles, etc. the circumstantial evidence provided is pretty damning as those emails are almost verbatim what you began posting here. Based on the name in the email, it took less than 5 minutes of web searches to see the felon father. Who exposed this on BBI I have no clue, as I generally try not to pay attention to this stuff and try not to waste time guessing who is a dup of whom.
RE: A few thoughts  
Lefty : 1/8/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13778185 Matt M. said:
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1) I fail to see where FatMan was wrong. The argument was about moving Pugh to LT in order to move Flowers to RT. I had nothing to do with Hart and everything to do with getting Flowers away from LT. A residual effect would have been replacing the terrible Hart. But, the crux of the point was that Pugh only moved to LT last year when Flowers was hurt and moving him this year would have left a gaping hole at LG, which proved true when Pugh shifted to RT (again out of necessity caused by injury) and then hurt.

2) As for the OL, he didn't comment on it as a whole. He said reports were that Flowers came in to camp ready to work and in shape, or something to that effect. The reality is, after a shaky first couple of games, Flowers actually, by most accounts, improved this year. Does that mean he was a world beater? No. But, he became an mediocre OT, which is still a step up.

3) As for the dup handles, etc. the circumstantial evidence provided is pretty damning as those emails are almost verbatim what you began posting here. Based on the name in the email, it took less than 5 minutes of web searches to see the felon father. Who exposed this on BBI I have no clue, as I generally try not to pay attention to this stuff and try not to waste time guessing who is a dup of whom.
Go read the actual thread. It was clearly related to both Hart and Flowers.

It was also clear that the argument was centered around not risking the season on two terrible OTs. Perhaps one could argue how wrong Fatman was, but the main point is his mockery of an alternate point of view, that in retrospect was correct. Flowers will not be the LT next year and Hart will be out of the league. I urge you to read the threads in full.
LOL..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 12:43 pm : link
it wasn't related to Hart. This response nails the point:

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It's pretty damn hard to respond to. Your suggestion is to put Pugh at Tackle. That alleviates the situation? Did it add to the Superbowl roster or simply shift a resource and apparently remove another resource?

It is overly dramatic say that Flowers is going to risk the season or that Pugh replacing him is going to eliminate that risk. Do I need to remind you that people really didn't like Pugh at Tackle, either?

Didn't the often-maligned Newhouse play on a SB team and get a ring? A team that got there on the strength of their offense?

Basically, given the roster we have, you either have Flowers at Tackle or an equally flawed player there and if you move Pugh, you just move that concern to a Guard position as well.


By the way, I'm still waiting to see where I called people morons or championed Hart as being a good player. But love the strawman deflection.

Simo.
RE: All good points  
MOOPS : 1/8/2018 2:18 pm : link
In comment 13777688 Tom from LI said:
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Not saying that I would stay rigid to these wish list items.

I am saying this is my starting point. Every candidate is different. That is why you interview them, but they have to touch upon these 4 points at some level.




Tom

Probably should have gone with 'wish list' rather than prerequisite. You probably could have avoided Fat Man's body slam.
He gone!  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 2:48 pm : link
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RE: RE: A few thoughts  
Matt M. : 1/8/2018 3:20 pm : link
In comment 13778198 Lefty said:
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In comment 13778185 Matt M. said:


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1) I fail to see where FatMan was wrong. The argument was about moving Pugh to LT in order to move Flowers to RT. I had nothing to do with Hart and everything to do with getting Flowers away from LT. A residual effect would have been replacing the terrible Hart. But, the crux of the point was that Pugh only moved to LT last year when Flowers was hurt and moving him this year would have left a gaping hole at LG, which proved true when Pugh shifted to RT (again out of necessity caused by injury) and then hurt.

2) As for the OL, he didn't comment on it as a whole. He said reports were that Flowers came in to camp ready to work and in shape, or something to that effect. The reality is, after a shaky first couple of games, Flowers actually, by most accounts, improved this year. Does that mean he was a world beater? No. But, he became an mediocre OT, which is still a step up.

3) As for the dup handles, etc. the circumstantial evidence provided is pretty damning as those emails are almost verbatim what you began posting here. Based on the name in the email, it took less than 5 minutes of web searches to see the felon father. Who exposed this on BBI I have no clue, as I generally try not to pay attention to this stuff and try not to waste time guessing who is a dup of whom.

Go read the actual thread. It was clearly related to both Hart and Flowers.

It was also clear that the argument was centered around not risking the season on two terrible OTs. Perhaps one could argue how wrong Fatman was, but the main point is his mockery of an alternate point of view, that in retrospect was correct. Flowers will not be the LT next year and Hart will be out of the league. I urge you to read the threads in full.
I see nothing related directly to Hart. Additionally, we don't know where Flowers will be next year. He could be at LT, RT, or even the remote possibility of being moved to OG. I'm actually beginning to think OG might be a better stopping point than RT for him.
What the hell happened in here?  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 3:21 pm : link
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RE: What the hell happened in here?  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 3:23 pm : link
In comment 13778516 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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Was infested by a Simo dupe for a while who has since been banned
Lefty  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/8/2018 3:56 pm : link
has a serious problem. Kind of scary.
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