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Ian Rapoport tweet on Giants/Wilks

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 9:31 am
Ian Rapoport
& #8207;Verified account @RapSheet
11m11 minutes ago

The #Giants will take a day off from head coach interviews today, with #Panthers DC Steve Wilks likely taking a day to meet with players, then scheduling his interviews with #NYG, #Colts, #AZCardinals, and #Lions.


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One has to wonder where the Giants will turn if McDaniels, Patricia, and Wilks sign with other teams.
Turn to BB  
Ryan in Albany : 1/8/2018 9:31 am : link
.
Tanned. Rested. Ready,  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 9:34 am : link
Push those chips to the center of the table!

They should turn to Shurmur.  
Diver_Down : 1/8/2018 9:39 am : link
He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.
RE: They should turn to Shurmur.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 13777777 Diver_Down said:
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He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.


Shurmur may not sign here either.
RE: RE: They should turn to Shurmur.  
Rflairr : 1/8/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13777786 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13777777 Diver_Down said:


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He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.



Shurmur may not sign here either.


That would be a good thing
No way of knowing for sure  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 9:47 am : link
but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
RE: No way of knowing for sure  
Diver_Down : 1/8/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.


And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
Still think there is a candidate out there not on the list of names  
nyjuggernaut2 : 1/8/2018 9:55 am : link
we've been hearing that gets the job. Based on the pre-requisites John Mara spoke about in the type of HC he's looking for, most of the names we hear don't fit that mold.
What about...  
Blue Angel : 1/8/2018 10:01 am : link
Jim Harbaugh. If the Eagles lose this week Shwartz might be in the picture again.
They'll come back to  
RottenApple : 1/8/2018 10:02 am : link
Spags, if all else fails, and say he was #1 from the onset.
RE: Tanned. Rested. Ready,  
Bobby Humphrey's Earpad : 1/8/2018 10:03 am : link
In comment 13777763 Greg from LI said:
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Push those chips to the center of the table!



The guy was good for a few laughs. "Wife does the Christmas shopping."
RE: No way of knowing for sure  
Jeffrey : 1/8/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.


I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.
RE: No way of knowing for sure  
blueblood : 1/8/2018 10:04 am : link
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.


Im sure that every team has a favorite at this point.
Don't worry.  
an_idol_mind : 1/8/2018 10:05 am : link
This is all part of Belichick's master plan.
Quite honestly  
GiantFanInTX : 1/8/2018 10:07 am : link
the only guys I would really want are either Wilks or Shurmur. Both guys are solid X and O guys, but that's not really what you need in a head coach. You need a true leader who commands the respect of your players. It's someone that no matter how bad things might get, the players would still run through walls for that guy. To me, Wilks is the top guy. I think he would be a great fit here. McDaniels is my least favorite. Great offensive mind? Maybe, but doesn't strike me as someone who can command respect as a head coach. McDaniels would be a McAadoo 2.0 potentially.

I'll be really happy if Wilks becomes our guy.
RE: No way of knowing for sure  
jeff57 : 1/8/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.


So that would leave Wilks for the Giants.
jeff57  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 10:12 am : link
Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).
RE: RE: No way of knowing for sure  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 10:13 am : link
In comment 13777824 Jeffrey said:
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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:


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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.



I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.


And Odell.
Itís not easy  
RetroJint : 1/8/2018 10:14 am : link
& most of the coordinator promotion hires donít work out . Detroit is a pretty good spot to land in. Most teams donít fire their coach after 2 consecutive winning seasons. Chicago has intriguing defensive personnel but possibly a hole at QB, although that must be determined . The Cardinals are a mis mash bundle . The Giants pull in just ahead of the Colts in a photo finish.

Might be heading to the second tier of candidates .
RE: jeff57  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13777845 Eric from BBI said:
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Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).

I canít see either situation being more attractive than ours unless Wilks is convinced that Luck is 100% healthy. The Colts roster is as much of a mess as their owner is. The Bears also have a weak roster and Trubisky didnít exactly convince anyone that he is the franchise QB yet.
RE: jeff57  
jeff57 : 1/8/2018 10:17 am : link
In comment 13777845 Eric from BBI said:
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Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).


Why would he go there over Gettleman and the Giants?
RE: jeff57  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13777845 Eric from BBI said:
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Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).


Possible I suppose, but this entire thread reeks of typical Giants fan shoe-gazing.
RE: RE: No way of knowing for sure  
Victor in CT : 1/8/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13777796 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:


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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.



And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.


what is so "can't miss" about these 3 candidates? McDaniels is a proven flop away from the BB nest. Nobody actually knows what Patricia or any other BB assistant does. Every one of BB aides has been a flop except Bill O'Brien. Shurmur has the best track record as a coordinator building programs, but is no sure thing to be a successful HC, but of the 3, I think he's the best candidate.
Just reading  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 10:21 am : link
the tea leaves...

But it appears as if Wilks or McDaniels will be the Giant coach.
BS  
yankeeslover : 1/8/2018 10:22 am : link
I dont believe any of this.. as much as a shitshow as we were this year, who is turning us down? we are one of the premier flagship franchises out there.. probably offer more stability from an ownership standpoint then any team in sports. I dont believe for one minute that we will have a hard time convincing a coach to come here.
In-fact, if we fall in love with anyone of these coaches, who is going to say No?
RE: They should turn to Shurmur.  
djm : 1/8/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13777777 Diver_Down said:
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He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.


agreed
I don't  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 10:27 am : link
put any stock into the "Giants aren't a good job right now" type thing...the Giants HC is one of the most coveted jobs in all of football, pro or college.
Lets see  
Powerclean765 : 1/8/2018 10:27 am : link
what happens after tonight.
LOL @ this 'The Giants aren't an appealing  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2018 10:30 am : link
job' narrative pushed by some. This is one of the premier jobs in this league.
Hopefully they turn to Foxborough or Tuscaloosa.  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/8/2018 10:30 am : link
Our short list should be Belichick and Saban. We are the New York Football Giants, damn it! We need a leader with serious championship pedigree. Get it done Mr. Mara and Mr. Tisch!
RE: RE: No way of knowing for sure  
clatterbuck : 1/8/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13777824 Jeffrey said:
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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:


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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.



I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.


Who wouldn't want to coach a premier, bedrock NFL franchise with 4 SBs in the biggest market in the country? Any candidate scared of this challenge is someone we don't want.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 10:34 am : link

Jordan Raanan
‏Verified account @JordanRaanan
18m18 minutes ago

Steve Wilks interview is later this week, per source. Not Monday. Eric Studesville interviews Wednesday. Both done by Wednesday. #Giants
jeff57  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 10:37 am : link
I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.
Why do...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 10:38 am : link
fans consistently overlook issues with other teams? People won't want the NY job because of how to handle eli and the locker room discord?

But Indy is attractive with questions about Luck and terrible ownership?

Chicago is attractive with huge questions at QB, and a significant talent deficit?

Unless a coach dies or retires after a successful season, every team is going to have issues - which is why they fired their coach.
Why is anyone still talking about Nick Saban?  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 10:38 am : link
It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.
I think its going to be Wilks, McDaniels and possibly Shurmur  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2018 10:39 am : link
as the 3 finalists.
RE: Why is anyone still talking about Nick Saban?  
Section331 : 1/8/2018 10:41 am : link
In comment 13777917 Greg from LI said:
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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.


Agreed, but talking about Belichick is equally far-fetched. Folks have to come to the understanding that Bill is not coming here.
This guy sounds like a great fit for a stable organization  
UberAlias : 1/8/2018 10:41 am : link
But here with all the turmoil and zero experience in dealing with the sort of situations he'll face I have some big concerns.

1) The transition away from franchise QB is always a huge challenge. Especially when the guy has won 2 SBs.
2) Can he handle a star personality like Odell? He's never faced anything close to that before. His lack of resume will put him at a disadvantage here. Not where you want to be in dealing with hot head star personalities with organizational clout. Sure, he'll have the support of the GM, but that guy got himself fired dealing with such situations before.
3) Who is going to develop Eli's successor? This is HUGE. You need a franchise QB for sustained success. Wilks is obviously not the guy to develop Eli's successor into a winner, so who is?
4) He is going to need a strong veteran staff to help with the above. Does this guy have the connections to build elite staff?

Again, sounds like a great fit where lots of things are in place. But this guy will be walking into the fire here with zero experience to prepare him for what he is going to face. And if we make the wrong move we could blow a huge opportunity here.
RE: jeff57  
bluesince56 : 1/8/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.


Eric. I agree. His connection with Gettleman may tip the table that way
RE: ...  
nygiants16 : 1/8/2018 10:42 am : link
In comment 13777906 Eric from BBI said:
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Jordan Raanan
‏Verified account @JordanRaanan
18m18 minutes ago

Steve Wilks interview is later this week, per source. Not Monday. Eric Studesville interviews Wednesday. Both done by Wednesday. #Giants


How is it later this week if both done by Wednesday? Haha
Iíd prefer Shurmur or Wilks  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2018 10:42 am : link
Iíd give a slight edge to Shurmur due to the fact that the Giants are likely to take a QB at 2.
I can understand PLAYERS not wanting to go to a franchise  
Brown Recluse : 1/8/2018 10:50 am : link
with a losing record and internal issues.

But not coaches. This is why they are hired. And the Giants have a history of being a good place to work. What happened this past season is not typical of this franchise and I think most people know that.
RE: jeff57  
Andy in Boston : 1/8/2018 10:50 am : link
In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.


and why do you think that is? We have tradition, championships, a major market, top notch facilities, solid ownership, talent on the roster.
I love this doom and gloom  
TrueBlue56 : 1/8/2018 10:51 am : link
It's like we are the Cleveland browns. Coaches would prefer Indy, Chicago or Arizona over New York. Only on bbi.

Let's see we have a stable organization with stable ownership.

Number 2 overall draft pick

A franchise quarterback that a coach can win with and the possibility of grooming his replacement.

A talented receiving Corp. In Beckham, Shepard and Engram

A defense with young playmakers


Nahhhhh no one would want to coach this team

And oh yeah we have cheap owners too!!

Doom and gloom I tell ya!!!
RE: Why do...  
Sean : 1/8/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13777916 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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fans consistently overlook issues with other teams? People won't want the NY job because of how to handle eli and the locker room discord?

But Indy is attractive with questions about Luck and terrible ownership?

Chicago is attractive with huge questions at QB, and a significant talent deficit?

Unless a coach dies or retires after a successful season, every team is going to have issues - which is why they fired their coach.


Thank you. This sums everything up perfectly.
RE: jeff57  
jeff57 : 1/8/2018 10:52 am : link
In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.


I think a lot of this is pre-coach selection panic. Happens at some point every time there's any opening. Like, oh no, we're going to be left out in the cold and forced to hire the Clone of Rich Kotite. I think it will be Shurmer or Wilks. If not, maybe the Schwartz will be with us.
RE: No way of knowing for sure  
UberAlias : 1/8/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
I would say there is zero chance we could land McDaniels unless they agree to let him have say in who we pick at #2. The appeal for other places like Indi and Detroit is they have their QBs. McDaniels is going to say, where is my Tom Brady, and one of the huge appeals of him is his ability to help develop the QB. For NY, we have a chip, its the #2 pick. McDaniels is going to want assurances if his guy is there, he'll get him. But Odds are Gettleman won't accept that. If so, this would basically eliminate us.
RE: Why is anyone still talking about Nick Saban?  
Victor in CT : 1/8/2018 10:53 am : link
In comment 13777917 Greg from LI said:
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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.


same reason they keep talking about Belichick. And Cowher. And kept bringing up Gruden until he was mercifully and stupidly taken off the table by the Raiders.
Every candidate  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 10:57 am : link
comes with concerns. If he didn't have any he'd be a good head coach already. My three points:

1. I didn't like the way McDaniels handled himself in Denver. He's most likely changed and has learned it, but he really created a rift with some players in that locker room based on his personality. It didn't end well. I'm certain he's a good teacher and good coordinator.

2. Shurmur is just a bit sleepy to me. Smart guy, knows offense obviously. Good coach. I just can't see this guy as the coach of the Giants. He'd be underwhelming and that's really all I have to say about him. It's kind of a dumb thing, but I just have zero excitement when I hear Pat Shurmur.

3. Wilks doesn't have the preferred experience. Spent nearly his entire career as a DB coach outside of a quick college stint as DC and HC. The one thing I will say, is that former players and coaches that know him speak the world of this guy. His demeanor, the way he treats players and coaches, and the way he both commands a room and also demands effort from a group of men. Not that the other two guys couldn't do this, but you don't hear that a ton with them. When I hear and see Wilks speak and the way he acts, that seems like a Giant way to me. Or at least, the Giant way that we are trying to get back to with Gettleman running the team.
RE: RE: No way of knowing for sure  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13777950 UberAlias said:
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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:


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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

I would say there is zero chance we could land McDaniels unless they agree to let him have say in who we pick at #2. The appeal for other places like Indi and Detroit is they have their QBs. McDaniels is going to say, where is my Tom Brady, and one of the huge appeals of him is his ability to help develop the QB. For NY, we have a chip, its the #2 pick. McDaniels is going to want assurances if his guy is there, he'll get him. But Odds are Gettleman won't accept that. If so, this would basically eliminate us.


That really can't be known for sure if that was discussed in the interview.
Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
Blue Angel : 1/8/2018 11:03 am : link
Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.
RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.

Yes, I'm sure these candidates hate the idea of having one of the most talented receivers to ever start a career on the roster.
RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2018 11:05 am : link
In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.


New GM in place, different situation now. See how quickly Hart was cut as an example.
RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2018 11:08 am : link
In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.


I really hate this place @ times.
One of the Owners is the SR VP of Player Evaluation  
arniefez : 1/8/2018 11:09 am : link
He's not the Owners brother. He is an Owner too. That's got to be a really tough sell to a coach who has options and wants some control of the roster.
RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2018 11:11 am : link
In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.


Not buying. Typical "woe is me" Giant fan bullcrap. The Giants will have no trouble getting one of the top candidates.

Beckham is a generational talent.

Eli is an established player in his twilight years.

Apple will get it together or be gone.

They have the #2 pick, and an amount of talent higher than a typical team picking that high.

Stop it. You are being foolish.

GFan  
UberAlias : 1/8/2018 11:12 am : link
Of course can't be known for sure. But what do you think? If you were the hot HC prospect who has helped develop Brady, Garoppolo etc. would you settle for someone telling you, sorry you can't have your guy, now go see what you can do with Webb? He comes from an environment where the HC makes decisions and has won 5 SBs doing so. He would be foolish not to demand having that say in that particular decision since he will own the consequences.
RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2018 11:13 am : link
In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.

Yes nobody would want to deal with a talented WR who got into a fight once during a game. Why canít he be a model citizen like Antonio Brown.
If there is a candidate  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2018 11:16 am : link
that feels he can't deal with Beckham's personality or Apple's immaturity then you don't want him. He isn't a leader.
RE: GFan  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2018 11:16 am : link
In comment 13778006 UberAlias said:
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Of course can't be known for sure. But what do you think? If you were the hot HC prospect who has helped develop Brady, Garoppolo etc. would you settle for someone telling you, sorry you can't have your guy, now go see what you can do with Webb? He comes from an environment where the HC makes decisions and has won 5 SBs doing so. He would be foolish not to demand having that say in that particular decision since he will own the consequences.


I can't see any coaching candidate not having some say in what the QB picture going forward would be. The work in concert with the GM. In fact, I'm sure that conversation happened at the meeting and they are aware the Giants have the #2 pick in the draft allowing the Giants to select a highly rated QB prospect.
RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
Les in TO : 1/8/2018 11:17 am : link
In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.
I think if there are dissuading factors, maybe it has to do more with the pressure cooker of the NYC media, the crappy winter weather, higher taxes relative to other states, and some of the downsides of the co-ownership and org structure

You mischaracterize both OBJ and Manning there - OBJ is by all accounts a top notch teammate and Manning didn't prevent the team from playing Webb - in fact, he gave them an opening to have Webb start a game, rather than arbitrarily come in at the half.
The Giants have several young talented players  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2018 11:17 am : link
Beckham, Collins, Engram, Jenkins, and Harrison are core players who can be or already are among the best at their positions. The new HC also has the option to choose his franchise QB with the 2nd overall pick plus has the 2nd pick in round 2 which is very valuable. The Giants organization is well respected and they are very patient with their head coaches. This is a very attractive destination.
The Giants chip for any offensive coach with backgound in developing  
UberAlias : 1/8/2018 11:24 am : link
QBs is the draft pick. But a coach such as McDaniels with as many options as he has, especially coming from the Parcells/Belichick tree where coach having ability to "do the shopping" is seen as part of the equation, he's probably going to want some very strong assurances on this one.

I'm only speculating on this one, but I'm not the first to bring it up and there are rumblings out there that this has/is an issue for getting McDaniels in NYG. Don't know if true, but very plausible.
Jesus Christ..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 11:28 am : link
the idiocy is huge with some people:

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Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple


Eli was selfish? Was it his selfishness that caused the HC to not give Webb any reps in practice, thus making it possible for him to get some snaps?

Wow.
What we don't know is a lot  
Bob from Massachusetts : 1/8/2018 11:30 am : link
First place, none of us know which coach is the best person for the Giants. We all have opinions, but really none of them is a slam-dunk.

In terms of appeal for a job, most teams with horrible records who fire their head coach are relatively unappealing; does Indy or Chicago seem like a great opportunity right now?. My take is that being in New York with very stable ownership and a proven GM is all very attractive, that we probably have more talent on the roster than most 3-13 teams and a not-horrible salary cap position with an established starting QB and the second pick in the draft. I do believe there have been culture issues but that is the whole point of bringing in the new people.For Beckham, my guess is that 32 of 32 teams would like him on their team after considering any culture issues he presents.
Many coaches have significant say in personnel nowadays.  
Section331 : 1/8/2018 11:45 am : link
The league is migrating in that direction, maybe not so much in that the coach has full personnel decision-making, but a much greater say than in the past. They should have significant input, they have to put together game plans to fit that personnel.

So the question is how much delegation will DG be willing to give up? Any HC candidate should ask that question, and the answer may be a turn-off to some of the more highly sought candidates.
RE: Why is anyone still talking about Nick Saban?  
Eman11 : 1/8/2018 12:16 pm : link
In comment 13777917 Greg from LI said:
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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.


Why does everyone keep saying this? I haven't found a single thing saying that to be true.

The only things I've found are what Bama would pay Saban if they fired him without cause, $22 mil, and his coaches would owe 20% of their salary if they leave, although he waives that if they leave for a higher position.

Saban's contract is structured in such a way by his agent (Sexton) they have all their bases covered and I can't imagine in the slightest they'd have such a penalty written in if he wanted to leave. Eg, his coaching "salary" is under a half mil per year with the rest being paid for him being him. He also gets a $400k bonus every year just for not leaving among a huge perc package. He lives mortgage free in a home paid for by the school/donors and even the real estate taxes are waived because it's technically on school grounds and part of the University.

Sounds to me like they've given him everything he wants to keep him happy and I can't see them ever jeopardizing him being unhappy by wanting a "leave" clause, and one with such a high payback taboot. Not to mention him even agreeing to it, which given everything else in totality, seems unlikely.

The only thing I can see is at most he, like his coaches would have to pay back 20% of his salary. Considering his actual coaching salary is so low (written like that intentionally I'm sure) his payback would be minimal.



RE: jeff57  
compton : 1/8/2018 12:22 pm : link
In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.


All HC openings are attractive. Yes, some are more attractive than others but they are all desirable.
Just got a CBS Alert  
cjd2404 : 1/8/2018 12:26 pm : link
Bears signing Matt Nagy as HC
RE: Just got a CBS Alert  
cjd2404 : 1/8/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13778176 cjd2404 said:
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Bears signing Matt Nagy as HC


...and I see that was posted like 1/2 hour ago....
RE: RE: Why is anyone still talking about Nick Saban?  
HomerJones45 : 1/8/2018 12:27 pm : link
In comment 13778153 Eman11 said:
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In comment 13777917 Greg from LI said:


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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.



Why does everyone keep saying this? I haven't found a single thing saying that to be true.

The only things I've found are what Bama would pay Saban if they fired him without cause, $22 mil, and his coaches would owe 20% of their salary if they leave, although he waives that if they leave for a higher position.

Saban's contract is structured in such a way by his agent (Sexton) they have all their bases covered and I can't imagine in the slightest they'd have such a penalty written in if he wanted to leave. Eg, his coaching "salary" is under a half mil per year with the rest being paid for him being him. He also gets a $400k bonus every year just for not leaving among a huge perc package. He lives mortgage free in a home paid for by the school/donors and even the real estate taxes are waived because it's technically on school grounds and part of the University.

Sounds to me like they've given him everything he wants to keep him happy and I can't see them ever jeopardizing him being unhappy by wanting a "leave" clause, and one with such a high payback taboot. Not to mention him even agreeing to it, which given everything else in totality, seems unlikely.

The only thing I can see is at most he, like his coaches would have to pay back 20% of his salary. Considering his actual coaching salary is so low (written like that intentionally I'm sure) his payback would be minimal.


Will he be bringing the Alabama boosters?
Andy  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 12:31 pm : link
You're showing your bias.

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We have tradition, championships, a major market, top notch facilities, solid ownership, talent on the roster.


Tradition and past championships are nice but mean little moving forward.

Not sure a major market is a plus or a negative for a coach. Some families don't like being anywhere near a big city like New York. Certainly the tabloid media is not a positive.

Giants do have great facilities.

Solid ownership? Wellington is gone. John hasn't proven jack. This is the same guy who thought Coughlin, and not Reese was the problem.

Talent? The Giants are one of the worst teams in the NFL.

Beyond all that, a new coach is going to be saddled with the Eli transition problem (don't think that previous PR nightmare wasn't noticed by all candidates), may be forced by ownership to keep front office personnel/coaches, may be forced to keep Odell, have to deal with a broken locker room, may be saddled with a new QB who will have Eli's long shadow hanging over him (a major issue), a practically empty cupboard on the OL and LB, saddled with JPP and Vernon's contracts.

The team just hired a GM entering retirement age and may not be here in a few years.

The Giants are a mess right now.
compton  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 12:33 pm : link
I'm old enough to have gone through a number of these coaching transitions and there have many coaches who have said no to the Giants.
When Handley was fired  
arniefez : 1/8/2018 12:35 pm : link
the entire league turned the Giants down. Frank Gifford broken Dan Reeves to Wellington. George Young had no options left to present.
Eric  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 12:53 pm : link
sure, Giants are a mess ďright nowĒ as any team in the NFL has been at random times throughout their history.

You could have said that about the Steelers or Cowboys at various points.

Giants are still a flagship organization and a flagship job.
Just because people  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 12:54 pm : link
say no doesnít mean itís not one of the better jobs in sports.
RE: Lets see  
jvm52106 : 1/8/2018 12:58 pm : link
In comment 13777884 Powerclean765 said:
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what happens after tonight.


I assume you are hinting at Nick Saban.
There are many considerations a hire needs to think about here  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 12:59 pm : link
It can be an attractive job and not be the right fit for some personalities. Or perhaps there are family considerations. We've seen coaches choose on that as well.
After midnight it's still going to cost almost $30m  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 1:00 pm : link
To talk to Saban.
RE: After midnight it's still going to cost almost $30m  
Eman11 : 1/8/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13778277 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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To talk to Saban.


I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.

As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.
RE: jeff57  
Blue21 : 1/8/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.


I agree because of this locker room. Who wants to inherit that mess and the disaster created with the Eli fiasco. If Eli doesn't start is there another uproar from the fans and from Eli like last time? What about the other Eli? Who's coming back and who isn't? It could be real ugly.
RE: jeff57  
Simms11 : 1/8/2018 1:38 pm : link
In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.


It may not be desirable to those retreads that have to make it work. This may be their last hurrah at being a Head Coach in this league.
RE: RE: After midnight it's still going to cost almost $30m  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13778314 Eman11 said:
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To talk to Saban.



I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.

As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.


It's not a penalty for leaving to the NFL. Its a buyout of his massive Alabama contract. I'm at work so I can't go searching for it. Perhaps someone else can.
RE: compton  
BillKo : 1/8/2018 1:43 pm : link
In comment 13778193 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm old enough to have gone through a number of these coaching transitions and there have many coaches who have said no to the Giants.


I think the supports of the Giants being a good landing spot aren't saying people don't say "No" to the Giants. Of course people say no. Didn't Tom Couglin say no back in 1993, and Dan Reeves ended up being our 3rd choice? Circumstances.

There are only 32 HC positions open in the NFL. Just some are more attractive than others for a number of reasons - I feel the Giants spot is usually amongst the most desired.
RE: When Handley was fired  
BillKo : 1/8/2018 1:45 pm : link
In comment 13778196 arniefez said:
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the entire league turned the Giants down. Frank Gifford broken Dan Reeves to Wellington. George Young had no options left to present.


LOL...the whole league?

I'm sure GY, a very savy General Manager, knew exactly what his options were.

RE: RE: After midnight it's still going to cost almost $30m  
Section331 : 1/8/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13778314 Eman11 said:
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I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.

As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.


It doesn't matter. He makes over $11 mill per year at Bama, and has a job for life. Why would he leave that?
Mike Smith looms  
Phil in LA : 1/8/2018 1:47 pm : link
In the Dan Reeves role.
RE: RE: compton  
Blue21 : 1/8/2018 1:49 pm : link
In comment 13778361 BillKo said:
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In comment 13778193 Eric from BBI said:


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I'm old enough to have gone through a number of these coaching transitions and there have many coaches who have said no to the Giants.



I think the supports of the Giants being a good landing spot aren't saying people don't say "No" to the Giants. Of course people say no. Didn't Tom Couglin say no back in 1993, and Dan Reeves ended up being our 3rd choice? Circumstances.

There are only 32 HC positions open in the NFL. Just some are more attractive than others for a number of reasons - I feel the Giants spot is usually amongst the most desired.


Exactly...when we ask why don't they interview this guys or that guy it could be because those guys weren't interested believe it or. Giants are still a mess right now.
my view (FWIW) on the desirability of the Giants HC position  
giants#1 : 1/8/2018 1:50 pm : link
I think it largely depends on:

1. What does the HC prospect think of McAdoo? Was he inexperienced and in over his head? Or was he dealt a losing hand by management, especially in regards to the QB position and OL?

2. Which season is more indicative of the talent on this team? If you think the team is closer to 2016, you're probably jumping at the opportunity to add the #2 pick to a potential playoff contender. If you think that the 2016 team just go "lucky" and it's talent was closer to that of a 5-6 win team, then there's not much difference between the Giants and the other available teams.

In short, if you (like many/most Giants fans) think McAdoo was a buffoon in over his head, then you probably place most of the blame for 2017 at his feet and feel its a unique situation to be walking into a new HC position with a team that is talented enough to compete for the postseason in year 1 (ala 2016).
RE: RE: jeff57  
section125 : 1/8/2018 1:56 pm : link
In comment 13778351 Blue21 said:
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In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:


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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.



I agree because of this locker room. Who wants to inherit that mess and the disaster created with the Eli fiasco. If Eli doesn't start is there another uproar from the fans and from Eli like last time? What about the other Eli? Who's coming back and who isn't? It could be real ugly.


The locker room is NOT a mess. Eli Apple is a mess. OBJ is not a problem except he will want $17 mill per, but every team has contract problems.
Eli fiasco is over and so are guys that caused it are gone. Gettleman will either trade Eli, play him or cut him. That is not a fiasco, that is the NFL. If the Giants draft another QB at #2 and he beats Eli out, there will be no uproar. There is no way a rookie QB beats Eli out this year.
Where things stand, according to Vacchiano  
jeff57 : 1/8/2018 2:13 pm : link
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RE: Where things stand, according to Vacchiano  
Section331 : 1/8/2018 2:23 pm : link
In comment 13778411 jeff57 said:
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He's probably right, but I'm not sure why he would refer to Studesville as a Rooney Rule interviewee when he's scheduled to be interviewed after Wilks. I think some are too quick to dismiss black candidates as "Rooney interviews". It unnecessarily diminishes the qualifications of minority candidates, and it is clearly a baseless claim here. I would expect better from Vacchiano.
RE: RE: RE: After midnight it's still going to cost almost $30m  
Eman11 : 1/8/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13778356 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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In comment 13778277 Ten Ton Hammer said:


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To talk to Saban.



I don't think that's true at all. Please provide a link or article showing this to be true.

As I posted earlier, the only thing I've found is what BAMA would have to pay if it fired Saban without cause. I've searched high and low and can't find anything that shows a penalty for Saban to leave for the NFL.



It's not a penalty for leaving to the NFL. Its a buyout of his massive Alabama contract. I'm at work so I can't go searching for it. Perhaps someone else can.


You might very well be right but I've been searching big time and can't find anything about that.

The only buyout articles I've found show what the Uni's have to pay coaches they fire without cause, eg, Mora just got over 11 mil from UCLA when he got canned.

What I've seen of Sabans deal is Bama would have to pay him over 22 mil if he has more than 4 years left on his contract if they fire him without cause. Nothing anywhere about him paying to get out of his deal.

I'm not saying you or anyone else is wrong about this, just I haven't seen anything,anywhere that says he or his new employer would have to pay Bama if he leaves. I could understand if he left for a similar D1 job but I haven't even seen anything about that.
I wouldnt talk us down as a destination  
Bill2 : 1/8/2018 2:57 pm : link
For two minor reasons and one major reason:

1) Any place with an opening has problems

2) Any coach without a secure job that they totally want going forward has warts if not problems

Major Reason: None of them have any HC jobs just yet.

Who has the problem? Id say both. To get your ideal HC job you first have to succeed in the HC job you have. Then you can go from there.

But to have a HC job where you can show you can succeed...you have to be in a HC job

There are 32 teams. There are many more than 32 candidates.

My guess is that one factor in all this is the agents whose job it is to drum up options for their Coach. The more noise "he" could land in three or two places the possibility increases that they are nervous that they land nowhere or they don't yet have a good offer in hand.
RE: RE: RE: No way of knowing for sure  
Craigg619 : 1/8/2018 3:01 pm : link
In comment 13777869 Victor in CT said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.



And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.



what is so "can't miss" about these 3 candidates? McDaniels is a proven flop away from the BB nest. Nobody actually knows what Patricia or any other BB assistant does. Every one of BB aides has been a flop except Bill O'Brien. Shurmur has the best track record as a coordinator building programs, but is no sure thing to be a successful HC, but of the 3, I think he's the best candidate.


My thoughts exactly. People are belly aching over missing out on those 3? Lol.
RE: RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
Craigg619 : 1/8/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13777997 SFGFNCGiantsFan said:
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Dealing with OBJ's tantrums and attitude and Eli's cry baby and SELFISH attitude of not allowing the team to see what they have with a young QB (Webb) and the lockeroom mess starting with Eli Apple.



I really hate this place @ times.


I hate to say it, but many Giants fans have proven to me that they are as bad, if not worse than cowboy and eagle fans. Putrid. Now I understand the distaste that other people have for Giant fans. How sad.
RE: RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
Rafflee : 1/8/2018 3:37 pm : link
They were 3-13---that's how much talent they have!!! Stop it!!!!

In comment 13778004 LakeGeorgeGiant said:
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They have the #2 pick, and an amount of talent higher than a typical team picking that high.

Stop it. You are being foolish.
Killed by The Aging Diva..  
Rafflee : 1/8/2018 3:40 pm : link
...and if you think anyone wants to be saddled to an aging QB, a Sentimental Owner, a Guaranteed QB Controversy, and the Eventual Eli Shit-storm Benching II (within the first 2 years), you're out of your minds.

Eli..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 4:05 pm : link
is a Diva now??

Holy shit the takes here by supposed fans suck horse cock.
RE: Killed by The Aging Diva..  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/8/2018 4:08 pm : link
In comment 13778546 Rafflee said:
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...and if you think anyone wants to be saddled to an aging QB, a Sentimental Owner, a Guaranteed QB Controversy, and the Eventual Eli Shit-storm Benching II (within the first 2 years), you're out of your minds.


I find your capitalization of words fascinating...
RE: RE: RE: Reason why the Giant HC job is not as appealing as some people think..  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/8/2018 4:43 pm : link
In comment 13778541 Rafflee said:
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They were 3-13---that's how much talent they have!!! Stop it!!!!

In comment 13778004 LakeGeorgeGiant said:


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In comment 13777983 Blue Angel said:



They have the #2 pick, and an amount of talent higher than a typical team picking that high.

Stop it. You are being foolish.





They clearly have holes, but that's why I added the qualifier "higher than a typical team picking that high".

They won 11 games the previous year. I stand by my statement.


Now before you respond to this post read through it 2 or 3 times, maybe take notes. Your reading comprehension leaves much to be desired.

Also, adding multiple exclamation points doesn't improve for argument.


BillKo  
arniefez : 1/8/2018 5:38 pm : link
Use your google machine. George Young had no one. He was turned down by everyone he offered the job to. Frank Gifford brought Reeves to Wellington. Young and Reeves got along worse than Young and Parcells did without the winning. It was a total mess.
may very well be concerns  
bluepepper : 1/8/2018 7:14 pm : link
from prospective coaches about the way the Eli think went down. Sure could look to an outsider like the coach and GM were canned for daring to play someone else at QB. Plus I don't think Eli is as nearly as well regarded around the league as Giants fans think. A new coach may very well prefer to start with a young QB rather than a 37 year old who may be untouchable.
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