Ian Rapoport tweet on Giants/Wilks

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Push those chips to the center of the table!

He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.

In comment 13777777 Diver_Down said:

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He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.

Shurmur may not sign here either.

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In comment 13777777 Diver_Down said: Quote: He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked. Shurmur may not sign here either.

That would be a good thing

but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:

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but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.

we've been hearing that gets the job. Based on the pre-requisites John Mara spoke about in the type of HC he's looking for, most of the names we hear don't fit that mold.

Jim Harbaugh. If the Eagles lose this week Shwartz might be in the picture again.

Spags, if all else fails, and say he was #1 from the onset.

In comment 13777763 Greg from LI said:

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Push those chips to the center of the table!

The guy was good for a few laughs. "Wife does the Christmas shopping."

In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:

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but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.

In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:

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but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

Im sure that every team has a favorite at this point.

This is all part of Belichick's master plan.

the only guys I would really want are either Wilks or Shurmur. Both guys are solid X and O guys, but that's not really what you need in a head coach. You need a true leader who commands the respect of your players. It's someone that no matter how bad things might get, the players would still run through walls for that guy. To me, Wilks is the top guy. I think he would be a great fit here. McDaniels is my least favorite. Great offensive mind? Maybe, but doesn't strike me as someone who can command respect as a head coach. McDaniels would be a McAadoo 2.0 potentially.

I'll be really happy if Wilks becomes our guy.

In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:

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but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

So that would leave Wilks for the Giants.

Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).

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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said: Quote: but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy. I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.

And Odell.

& most of the coordinator promotion hires don�t work out . Detroit is a pretty good spot to land in. Most teams don�t fire their coach after 2 consecutive winning seasons. Chicago has intriguing defensive personnel but possibly a hole at QB, although that must be determined . The Cardinals are a mis mash bundle . The Giants pull in just ahead of the Colts in a photo finish.

Might be heading to the second tier of candidates .

In comment 13777845 Eric from BBI said:

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Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).

I can�t see either situation being more attractive than ours unless Wilks is convinced that Luck is 100% healthy. The Colts roster is as much of a mess as their owner is. The Bears also have a weak roster and Trubisky didn�t exactly convince anyone that he is the franchise QB yet.

In comment 13777845 Eric from BBI said:

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Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).

Why would he go there over Gettleman and the Giants?

In comment 13777845 Eric from BBI said:

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Not if Wilks goes to Indy or Chicago (the spot where McDaniels doesn't go).

Possible I suppose, but this entire thread reeks of typical Giants fan shoe-gazing.

In comment 13777796 Diver_Down said:

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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said: Quote: but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy. And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.

what is so "can't miss" about these 3 candidates? McDaniels is a proven flop away from the BB nest. Nobody actually knows what Patricia or any other BB assistant does. Every one of BB aides has been a flop except Bill O'Brien. Shurmur has the best track record as a coordinator building programs, but is no sure thing to be a successful HC, but of the 3, I think he's the best candidate.

the tea leaves...

But it appears as if Wilks or McDaniels will be the Giant coach.

I dont believe any of this.. as much as a shitshow as we were this year, who is turning us down? we are one of the premier flagship franchises out there.. probably offer more stability from an ownership standpoint then any team in sports. I dont believe for one minute that we will have a hard time convincing a coach to come here.
In-fact, if we fall in love with anyone of these coaches, who is going to say No?

In comment 13777777 Diver_Down said:

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He isn't listed in your three, but he should be listed first. He's the guy who has made chicken salad out of chicken shit wherever he worked.

agreed

put any stock into the "Giants aren't a good job right now" type thing...the Giants HC is one of the most coveted jobs in all of football, pro or college.

what happens after tonight.

job' narrative pushed by some. This is one of the premier jobs in this league.

Our short list should be Belichick and Saban. We are the New York Football Giants, damn it! We need a leader with serious championship pedigree. Get it done Mr. Mara and Mr. Tisch!

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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said: Quote: but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy. I am certain that the Giants are not that appealing to many coaches. Who wants to deal with the Eli mess,the "personalities" in the locker room, a team with numerous glaring holes and free agents, an ownership that has suddenly become inept in trying to decide if it is hands on or hands off, and a fan base that is deeply divided over some of the players and their value. Of course let us not forget the circling sharks in the NY media, always waiting to stir things up to sell a story.

Who wouldn't want to coach a premier, bedrock NFL franchise with 4 SBs in the biggest market in the country? Any candidate scared of this challenge is someone we don't want.

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Steve Wilks interview is later this week, per source. Not Monday. Eric Studesville interviews Wednesday. Both done by Wednesday. #Giants

I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me.

My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.

fans consistently overlook issues with other teams? People won't want the NY job because of how to handle eli and the locker room discord?

But Indy is attractive with questions about Luck and terrible ownership?

Chicago is attractive with huge questions at QB, and a significant talent deficit?

Unless a coach dies or retires after a successful season, every team is going to have issues - which is why they fired their coach.

It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.

as the 3 finalists.

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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.

Agreed, but talking about Belichick is equally far-fetched. Folks have to come to the understanding that Bill is not coming here.

But here with all the turmoil and zero experience in dealing with the sort of situations he'll face I have some big concerns.

1) The transition away from franchise QB is always a huge challenge. Especially when the guy has won 2 SBs.
2) Can he handle a star personality like Odell? He's never faced anything close to that before. His lack of resume will put him at a disadvantage here. Not where you want to be in dealing with hot head star personalities with organizational clout. Sure, he'll have the support of the GM, but that guy got himself fired dealing with such situations before.
3) Who is going to develop Eli's successor? This is HUGE. You need a franchise QB for sustained success. Wilks is obviously not the guy to develop Eli's successor into a winner, so who is?
4) He is going to need a strong veteran staff to help with the above. Does this guy have the connections to build elite staff?

Again, sounds like a great fit where lots of things are in place. But this guy will be walking into the fire here with zero experience to prepare him for what he is going to face. And if we make the wrong move we could blow a huge opportunity here.

In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me. My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.

Eric. I agree. His connection with Gettleman may tip the table that way

In comment 13777906 Eric from BBI said:

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Jordan Raanan ‏Verified account @JordanRaanan 18m18 minutes ago Steve Wilks interview is later this week, per source. Not Monday. Eric Studesville interviews Wednesday. Both done by Wednesday. #Giants

How is it later this week if both done by Wednesday? Haha

I�d give a slight edge to Shurmur due to the fact that the Giants are likely to take a QB at 2.

with a losing record and internal issues.

But not coaches. This is why they are hired. And the Giants have a history of being a good place to work. What happened this past season is not typical of this franchise and I think most people know that.

In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me. My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.

and why do you think that is? We have tradition, championships, a major market, top notch facilities, solid ownership, talent on the roster.

It's like we are the Cleveland browns. Coaches would prefer Indy, Chicago or Arizona over New York. Only on bbi.

Let's see we have a stable organization with stable ownership.

Number 2 overall draft pick

A franchise quarterback that a coach can win with and the possibility of grooming his replacement.

A talented receiving Corp. In Beckham, Shepard and Engram

A defense with young playmakers


Nahhhhh no one would want to coach this team

And oh yeah we have cheap owners too!!

Doom and gloom I tell ya!!!

In comment 13777916 FatMan in Charlotte said:

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fans consistently overlook issues with other teams? People won't want the NY job because of how to handle eli and the locker room discord? But Indy is attractive with questions about Luck and terrible ownership? Chicago is attractive with huge questions at QB, and a significant talent deficit? Unless a coach dies or retires after a successful season, every team is going to have issues - which is why they fired their coach.

Thank you. This sums everything up perfectly.

In comment 13777914 Eric from BBI said:

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I don't think the Giants job is as attractive as many Giants fans think it is. But that's me. My guess is we land Wilks but I don't think that is a given.

I think a lot of this is pre-coach selection panic. Happens at some point every time there's any opening. Like, oh no, we're going to be left out in the cold and forced to hire the Clone of Rich Kotite. I think it will be Shurmer or Wilks. If not, maybe the Schwartz will be with us.

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but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.

I would say there is zero chance we could land McDaniels unless they agree to let him have say in who we pick at #2. The appeal for other places like Indi and Detroit is they have their QBs. McDaniels is going to say, where is my Tom Brady, and one of the huge appeals of him is his ability to help develop the QB. For NY, we have a chip, its the #2 pick. McDaniels is going to want assurances if his guy is there, he'll get him. But Odds are Gettleman won't accept that. If so, this would basically eliminate us.

In comment 13777917 Greg from LI said:

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It will cost $27 million just to get him out of his Alabama contract before he receives so much as a nickel from the Giants, and he'll demand complete control.

same reason they keep talking about Belichick. And Cowher. And kept bringing up Gruden until he was mercifully and stupidly taken off the table by the Raiders.

comes with concerns. If he didn't have any he'd be a good head coach already. My three points:

1. I didn't like the way McDaniels handled himself in Denver. He's most likely changed and has learned it, but he really created a rift with some players in that locker room based on his personality. It didn't end well. I'm certain he's a good teacher and good coordinator.

2. Shurmur is just a bit sleepy to me. Smart guy, knows offense obviously. Good coach. I just can't see this guy as the coach of the Giants. He'd be underwhelming and that's really all I have to say about him. It's kind of a dumb thing, but I just have zero excitement when I hear Pat Shurmur.

3. Wilks doesn't have the preferred experience. Spent nearly his entire career as a DB coach outside of a quick college stint as DC and HC. The one thing I will say, is that former players and coaches that know him speak the world of this guy. His demeanor, the way he treats players and coaches, and the way he both commands a room and also demands effort from a group of men. Not that the other two guys couldn't do this, but you don't hear that a ton with them. When I hear and see Wilks speak and the way he acts, that seems like a Giant way to me. Or at least, the Giant way that we are trying to get back to with Gettleman running the team.

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In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said: Quote: but according to various pundits... Shurmur is favorite in Arizona. Patricia is favorite in Detroit. McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy. I would say there is zero chance we could land McDaniels unless they agree to let him have say in who we pick at #2. The appeal for other places like Indi and Detroit is they have their QBs. McDaniels is going to say, where is my Tom Brady, and one of the huge appeals of him is his ability to help develop the QB. For NY, we have a chip, its the #2 pick. McDaniels is going to want assurances if his guy is there, he'll get him. But Odds are Gettleman won't accept that. If so, this would basically eliminate us.

That really can't be known for sure if that was discussed in the interview.