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Are the 2018 Draft QBs prospects that good...

STLGiant : 1/8/2018 3:24 pm
or just a product of having a good OL?

I looked at those teams with a 2018 QB in play (along with some other top Bowl teams) and found the following regarding their starting OL:

Alabama - 1 RS-Senior, 1 - Senior, 1 - RS-Jr, 2-Sophs.

Georgia - 1 Senior, 2 - RS Jrs., 1 - Soph., 1 - Fresh.

Oklahoma - 1 RS Senior, 1 - RS Jr., 2 - Jrs., 1- RS-Soph.

UCLA - 2 - RS Seniors, 1 - RS Jr., 1 - RS Soph., 1 - RS Fresh.

USC - 1 - RS Senior, 2 - RS Jrs., 1 - Jr., 1 - Fresh.

Wyoming - 1 Senior, 1 - Jr., 1 - Soph, 2 - Fresh.

The most inexperienced OL was Josh Allen's @ Wyoming--yet he did quite well for himself--even with a POOR OL!

You'd expect the top three 2018 QB prospects to have the best OL, and they did indeed in comparison (UCLA, OK, USC). Georgia, Alabama have no 2018 QB being drafted to my knowledge.

Just for yuks, I looked at PSU to see what kind of OL Saquon Barkley's had to run behind, and to it looks like this:

PSU - 1 RS Senior, 1 RS Jr., 1 RS Soph., 1 - Soph., 1 - RS Fresh.

Yeah, I was VERY surprised to see this as many think he's just another RB. To me that speaks volumes about that RBs success was based on his efforts, not necessarily that of a very experienced OL.

IDK, I'd rather have Josh Allen if I wanted to select a QB--especially with the state of the Giants OL, but I'd still draft Barkley and roll the dice with Webb (for the time being).
This tells me  
HoustonGiant : 1/8/2018 3:25 pm : link
nothing.



Absolutely, nothing.
Josh Allen has a terrible offensive line  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2018 3:30 pm : link
Sam Darnold and Jackson also have porous offensive lines.
What does their class  
Jay on the Island : 1/8/2018 3:32 pm : link
Have to do with their performance? Are you assuming that a senior is better than a junior?
...  
BleedBlue : 1/8/2018 3:33 pm : link
sometimes you cant just go by age/experience.


the eye test tells me jacksons line was HORRIBLE

Darnolds line was very bad

both did what they could do with the OLs in front of them.
It's not an assumption that experience does play into better play  
STLGiant : 1/8/2018 4:26 pm : link
The more upperclassman one has across the OL (or even in the NFL) translates into better QB play, better RB rushing average, better 3rd down conversions, fewer sacks, interceptions and penalties...hence the premise: Is their being successful based on their ability, or just having a great OL.

That being said, if you have a crappy OL and still do well statistically as a QB (or RB), then you are the type of player that can carry a team--maybe until such time as the rest of the team's skill positions or OL gets better.

It would appear, statistically, that Allen stands the best chance of success in the NFL with his success with having a crappy OL in college, with Mayfield getting a close second, but not necessarily Allen or Darnold IMO. If Rosen or Darnold are selected by the Giants, it would be a stretch to see them succeed with an OL like the NY Giants have currently...they could end up broken like Houston's David Carr, being sacked what 250 times in his first 5 years? Or worse, like Phill Simms 396 sacks in a decade.

In any case  
mrvax : 1/8/2018 4:34 pm : link
I fully expect DG to fix up the Oline for 2018 to the best of his ability.
The Pedo State cult has been pushing this argument for a few days now  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 4:36 pm : link
I mean, look at your own evidence - the Georgia line you cite as being very strong and experienced has almost the same composition as the PSU line.
Quite the premise.  
CT Charlie : 1/8/2018 4:51 pm : link
You could also make the argument that a team with a bunch of underclassmen who beat out experienced upperclassmen is a team that had an exceptional recruiting year or two, and their young line is excellent. In college basketball, many of the best teams are loaded with underclass starters.
Greg  
STLGiant : 1/8/2018 5:26 pm : link
I'm not a PSU be guy, but Chubb's critical weaknesses are strengths Barkley already possesses...

Chubb's Weaknesses:
Already sustained one serious knee injury
Will need development as a receiver
Will need development as a blocker
Medical evaluation could hurt his draft grade


Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018nchubb.php#ixzz53dNmPktb
QB s you really need the eye test  
idiotsavant : 1/8/2018 5:37 pm : link
You can see if the line sucks, if the wrs aren't great or what have you. You can look at the teams overall historic quality and see if the player resulted from that (Sanchez?) Or if the QB played under different coords or coaches (Brady?) And still did OK.etc


Ages of a college line is a bit like draft status of a pro line... Look at how they block instead.
You never know about a Qb  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/9/2018 8:36 am : link
Transitioning to the NFL. That is the truth. Anything else you hear about any of these QBs is BULLSHIT. Take a QB if you REALLY NEED ONE. At the moment Eli Manning is a BETTER pro than ANY of these guys. If Blake Bortles is your QB you better try to get one. The QB is what will doom Jax in the playoffs.
RE: Josh Allen has a terrible offensive line  
Section331 : 1/9/2018 10:20 am : link
In comment 13778530 Jay on the Island said:
Quote:
Sam Darnold and Jackson also have porous offensive lines.


2 of Allen's OL were all-conference. I'm not sure how terrible they were.
RE: Greg  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/9/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13778738 STLGiant said:
Quote:
I'm not a PSU be guy, but Chubb's critical weaknesses are strengths Barkley already possesses...

Chubb's Weaknesses:
Already sustained one serious knee injury
Will need development as a receiver
Will need development as a blocker
Medical evaluation could hurt his draft grade


Read more: http://walterfootball.com/scoutingreport2018nchubb.php#ixzz53dNmPktb

Ok, now what about the better of the two UGA backs?
Instead of...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2018 11:29 am : link
looking at what grade the lineman are in, look at the comments about them.

Both Darnold and Jackson have had several scouts comment that it is difficult to evaluate them at times because the OL play in front of them has been terrible.
FMiC I had that info....  
STLGiant : 1/9/2018 4:45 pm : link
but got trashed for a lengthy post on another thread, so just left it up to interpretation. Josh Allen's two OC & RT are both true Freshman, which likely explains all the sacks he had this year, and yet Allen's production overall still wasn't that bad.

As to the other QBs, they didn't have a great deal of OL drop-off based on who departed and was drafted.

Alabama lost 1 starter Robinson OT
Georgia lost 1 starter Pyke G
Louisville lost 1 started Hughley OC
Oklahoma lost no starters
PSU lost no starters
USC lost 2 starters: Banner OT, and our own Chad Wheeler (OC)
UCLA lost 1 starter: McDermott OT
Wyoming lost 1 starter: Roullier OC

With that kinds of drop-off in OL protection, makes one wonder if the scouts were thinking their WR corps stunk, not their OL? IDK, js, so I looked at their 2017 sacks taken, as follows:

Hurts: 24
Fromm: 20
Jackson: 29
Mayfield: 26
McSorley: 29
Darnold: 37
Rosen: 26
Allen: 22
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