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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/8/2018 5:38 pm
Good article.
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RE: My biggest question with him is.....  
old man : 1/8/2018 7:30 pm : link
In comment 13778868 Andy in Boston said:
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Who does he hire for an offensive staff?


Whoever can coach big nasty OL and a variety of RBs along with a passing game that takes maximum advantage of our our receivers and our QB's strenghths.
RE: ...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 7:31 pm : link
In comment 13778861 christian said:
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There's absolutely nothing racist acknowledging someone in your race or community can better relate to you.

It's why diversity in leadership is important.


I'm a huge advocate of diversity in leadership but that answer is horseshit.

What if Eli made the same statement about wanting an old white guy who he could relate to?

Color of skin should have no place in the Giants coaching search. Period.
RE: Wilks  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 7:38 pm : link
In comment 13778900 Archer said:
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I know little about Wilks so I am hoping that someone can tell me why I should be excited to have him coach the Giants.

What makes Wilks a superior candidate ?

I understand that he relates well to his players and that he can be an authoritarian leader. Is this enough?

What is his strong suit? What makes him a great head coach ?
Does he create creative defensive game plans ? Is he an exceptional teacher?
Is he detail oriented? Does he make excellent in game adjustments?
Who is he like as a coach? Is he aggressive in his style of play?



-His strong suit is his leadership.
-Just listening to him for 5 minutes you learn something.
-Adjustments may also be another strong suit for him. Look at the game yesterday against the saints for example. They allowed 21 points in the first half but only 10 in the second half.
-Only Greg Williams blitzed more than Wilks this season.

black, white, yellow, green, red  
markky : 1/8/2018 7:41 pm : link
who cares. hire the blue teletubby if he'll bring us the next Lombardi trophy.
RE: My biggest question with him is.....  
Pete in MD : 1/8/2018 7:43 pm : link
In comment 13778868 Andy in Boston said:
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Who does he hire for an offensive staff?


One OC possibility is Rob Chudzinski. He and Wilks worked together in the past with San Diego and Carolina.
Limerick  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 7:45 pm : link
if you have to start your sentence with ďIím gonna get flamed for thisĒ itís probably not a good idea to say that thing.
Chudzinski  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 7:47 pm : link
would be a really good hire I think. Very good with tight ends and QBs. Brisset has looked like a decent NFL QB this season.
A HC's race has nothing to do with his qualifications  
DaveW2 : 1/8/2018 7:49 pm : link
His ability to get the best out of his team is first priority, and secondarily (or maybe not), build a top notch staff of coordinators and position coaches.
RE: RE: Didn't many endorsements prior to mcadoo hiring  
micky : 1/8/2018 7:53 pm : link
In comment 13778798 Emil said:
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In comment 13778793 micky said:


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happen ....and look what the end result was..



So the Giants should hire the guy who gets no endorsements?

I swear some of you just live to be contrarian.


umm..think one would be a little hesitant on limited experience coordinator, esp after this last one. not contrarian..it being skeptic for good reason. no..not all first time hc are failures..but giants situation coming right off of one..is cause for concern. maybe not if mac wasn't hired. to each their own opinions.
All things being equal  
Milton : 1/8/2018 7:55 pm : link
I would go with the black candidate over the white candidate because I think there is added value that comes from the fact that 75% of the players are black. But all things are rarely equal, so it's a non-issue for the most part.

Bottomline, especially at the NFL level, is that players want a coach who is good at his job and gets them wins. Same with the QB position (re: complaints that Rosen's UCLA teammates didn't like him). Black, White, Jew, Gentile, it doesn't matter.
RE: RE: My biggest question with him is.....  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 7:57 pm : link
In comment 13778934 Pete in MD said:
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In comment 13778868 Andy in Boston said:


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Who does he hire for an offensive staff?



One OC possibility is Rob Chudzinski. He and Wilks worked together in the past with San Diego and Carolina.


Chudzinski is a good guess. One of the better OCs in the game.

I heard Ken Dorsey and Eric Washington as his coordinators.
Peppers  
Archer : 1/8/2018 7:58 pm : link
Are there any articles or sites that you can recommend where I can read more about Wilks ?
RE: RE: ...  
Milton : 1/8/2018 8:03 pm : link
In comment 13778904 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13778861 christian said:


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There's absolutely nothing racist acknowledging someone in your race or community can better relate to you. It's why diversity in leadership is important.

I'm a huge advocate of diversity in leadership but that answer is horseshit. What if Eli made the same statement about wanting an old white guy who he could relate to? Color of skin should have no place in the Giants coaching search. Period.
I learned very little during my years at Wharton, but one thing I remember is that research showed that using blacks in advertising gave you added value when reaching out to black consumers without any sacrifice when it came to white consumers, whereas using whites in the same advertisement gave you no added value among white consumers (in other words, whites couldn't care less whether it was a black or white in the ad, but blacks cared).

So if you extend that from advertising to coaching in the NFL, a black coach would give you added value, whereas a white coach has no impact one way or another.
RE: ...  
SomeFan : 1/8/2018 8:05 pm : link
In comment 13778861 christian said:
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There's absolutely nothing racist acknowledging someone in your race or community can better relate to you.

It's why diversity in leadership is important.


What dopey horseshit you spout.
RE: A HC's race has nothing to do with his qualifications  
markky : 1/8/2018 8:09 pm : link
In comment 13778954 DaveW2 said:
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His ability to get the best out of his team is first priority, and secondarily (or maybe not), build a top notch staff of coordinators and position coaches.


i think these are equally important
RE: Peppers  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 8:11 pm : link
In comment 13778978 Archer said:
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Are there any articles or sites that you can recommend where I can read more about Wilks ?


Archer, I'll try to find you some. Won't be hard now that his name is just about everywhere.
RE: black, white, yellow, green, red  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 8:26 pm : link
markky said:
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who cares. hire the blue teletubby if he'll bring us the next Lombardi trophy.
Oh sure, but not the purple one. Homophobe! #coachtinkywinky
RE: RE: I like what I'm hearing about this guy.  
an_idol_mind : 1/8/2018 8:29 pm : link
In comment 13778767 Default said:
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In comment 13778760 an_idol_mind said:


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It's a shame the Giants got away from the level of discipline Coughlin had installed in the first half of his tenure.



The kind that almost got him fired?

What made the 2007 team successful was him being more relate able.
Without that the Giants never win that Super Bowl.


The kind that got the Giants to four straight playoff appearances.

He got more relatable in 2007, but he kept the structure and rules he established early on.

I'm not saying the Giants need Coughlin's rules specifically, but they do need somebody who can instill more discipline and structure than they have now.
RE: RE: RE: I like what I'm hearing about this guy.  
Sean : 1/8/2018 8:32 pm : link
In comment 13779032 an_idol_mind said:
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In comment 13778760 an_idol_mind said:


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It's a shame the Giants got away from the level of discipline Coughlin had installed in the first half of his tenure.



The kind that almost got him fired?

What made the 2007 team successful was him being more relate able.
Without that the Giants never win that Super Bowl.



The kind that got the Giants to four straight playoff appearances.

He got more relatable in 2007, but he kept the structure and rules he established early on.

I'm not saying the Giants need Coughlin's rules specifically, but they do need somebody who can instill more discipline and structure than they have now.


Coughlin suspended Plax in a regular season game early on in 2008 IIRC.
Christian is on pretty solid ground here.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 8:53 pm : link
Thereís a fair amount of social science to back him up.

I also think Christian is trying make more difficult point than Beason. Weíre not talking about an affirmative action program aimed at providing positive role models for young black men. The Giants are just looking for a coach who can get the best performance out of a group of players. If men of color comprise 75% of your team, itís not really hard to understand why they might be extra motivated to help make him successful. Calling that kind of Black solidarity ďracistĒ turns the whole problem of racism on its head.
RE: RE: Didn't many endorsements prior to mcadoo hiring  
Craigg619 : 1/8/2018 8:54 pm : link
In comment 13778798 Emil said:
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In comment 13778793 micky said:


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happen ....and look what the end result was..



So the Giants should hire the guy who gets no endorsements?

I swear some of you just live to be contrarian.


lol it's unreal.
RE: RE: ...  
christian : 1/8/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13778904 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13778861 christian said:


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There's absolutely nothing racist acknowledging someone in your race or community can better relate to you.

It's why diversity in leadership is important.




I'm a huge advocate of diversity in leadership but that answer is horseshit.

What if Eli made the same statement about wanting an old white guy who he could relate to?

Color of skin should have no place in the Giants coaching search. Period.


If Eli Manning played in a league where 70% of the players where white and 75% of the coaches were black, then yes Eli Manning would have an argument worth hearing.

And just out of curiosity why are you a huge advocate of diversity in leadership?
I have been admiring Coach Tomlin of the Pittsburgh Steelers ....  
Fishmanjim57 : 1/8/2018 9:47 pm : link
for several years and I have read the wonderful comparisons of Steve Wilks to Mike Tomlin in the past week. If Mr. Wilks can be anything like Mr. Tomlin, then I can't wait to see him hired. I will support him 100%!
This isn't complicated  
eclipz928 : 1/8/2018 9:51 pm : link
Diversity brings added value to any organization. If all things are the same -if two coaching candidates are equally qualified - then choosing the candidate that adds diversity creates the more favorable environment for success.
RE: Christian is on pretty solid ground here.  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 10:01 pm : link
In comment 13779066 Big Blue Blogger said:
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Thereís a fair amount of social science to back him up.

I also think Christian is trying make more difficult point than Beason. Weíre not talking about an affirmative action program aimed at providing positive role models for young black men. The Giants are just looking for a coach who can get the best performance out of a group of players. If men of color comprise 75% of your team, itís not really hard to understand why they might be extra motivated to help make him successful. Calling that kind of Black solidarity ďracistĒ turns the whole problem of racism on its head.


I understand your position. My concern is that by hiring a black coach because he may be able to "relate better" on some level is patronizing and unfair to both the coach and the players. It's the age old argument of seeking equity v. equality. If you want to hire a coach because he is the best guy regardless of his skin color, that is equality. If you want to hire a black coach for the sake of increasing the number of black coaches in the league that is seeking equity. Two very different things.

Christian, I support diversity in leadership because it proves that leaders and executives can thrive regardless of race. That's what I thought we were working towards.

RE: This isn't complicated  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 10:08 pm : link
In comment 13779149 eclipz928 said:
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Diversity brings added value to any organization. If all things are the same -if two coaching candidates are equally qualified - then choosing the candidate that adds diversity creates the more favorable environment for success.


That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on here. To automatically assume that diversity in hiring is automatically a benefit to an organization is a tone deaf way of broadly evaluating decision making. At the highest level of a multi million dollar organization there is no room for anyone except for the absolutely best football coach. I don't care if the guy is a green Martian.

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christian : 1/8/2018 10:13 pm : link
Being relatable to a group you lead is among the better qualities in a leader.

There's nothing patronizing or dismissive about it.

It's not an exercise in equity or equality. It's an exercise in quality.

And it's not racist to acknowledge that race and similar formative circumstances are relatable factors.

The point is to win football games.

A wealth of social science supports the idea diverse leadership creates more successful group dynamics and successful organizations.

This is beyond simple to grasp.


RE: RE: This isn't complicated  
eclipz928 : 1/8/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13779166 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13779149 eclipz928 said:


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Diversity brings added value to any organization. If all things are the same -if two coaching candidates are equally qualified - then choosing the candidate that adds diversity creates the more favorable environment for success.



That is one of the most ridiculous statements I've ever read on here. To automatically assume that diversity in hiring is automatically a benefit to an organization is a tone deaf way of broadly evaluating decision making. At the highest level of a multi million dollar organization there is no room for anyone except for the absolutely best football coach. I don't care if the guy is a green Martian.

This is not an "assumption", it's is an assessment that has been proven out scientifically. If you don't have an anecdotal experience to draw from I would encourage you to read up on this topic.
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ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 10:21 pm : link
In comment 13779176 christian said:
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Being relatable to a group you lead is among the better qualities in a leader.

There's nothing patronizing or dismissive about it.

It's not an exercise in equity or equality. It's an exercise in quality.

And it's not racist to acknowledge that race and similar formative circumstances are relatable factors.

The point is to win football games.

A wealth of social science supports the idea diverse leadership creates more successful group dynamics and successful organizations.

This is beyond simple to grasp.



If that was true, and thank God it isnt, why would any organization hire anyone who isn't white to manage their predominantly white staff?

Social scientists haven't had time to answer that question I guess.
TLG: Beasonís point was neither of those two.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 10:25 pm : link
ThatLimerickGuy said:
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It's the age old argument of seeking equity v. equality. If you want to hire a coach because he is the best guy regardless of his skin color, that is equality. If you want to hire a black coach for the sake of increasing the number of black coaches in the league that is seeking equity. Two very different things.
Yes, that is an age-old argument, but itís not the one in which Beason is engaging. Heís saying that - the workforce being what it is and the organizationís goals being what they are - the chances of success are somewhat better with a black coach. All else has to be more or less equal, obviously. The Giants would be wise to hire Pat Shurmur over Denzel Washington. But if the decision is basically a coin flip anyway (and letís be honest, picking a coach is hardly a science), Beason is saying the Giants will be smart to pick Wilks over a similarly-qualified while candidate. Not purely meritocratic, nor especially noble. Just smart.

Is he right? No idea. I donít even see a good way to test the theory. The samples are too small, and the uncontrolled variables too diverse... no pun intended.
TLG: Your 10:21 is unworthy of you.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 10:34 pm : link
Please re-read it, and I think you will see for yourself that it doesnít respond to Christianís point about diversity at all.

Your post is somewhat more responsive to Beasonís view, but only if you disregard the difference between the experiences of being black or white in America for the past 300+ years. You are better than that.
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christian : 1/8/2018 10:35 pm : link
Just so we're all on the same page here -- your stance is 1) relatability is not a beneficial quality in leadership 2) race is not a relatable factor?

You're diving into an empty logic pool here. You're trying to find something discriminatory that's not there.

Accepting that race is a factor in the human condition isn't racist.
RE: ...  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13779242 christian said:
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Just so we're all on the same page here -- your stance is 1) relatability is not a beneficial quality in leadership 2) race is not a relatable factor?

You're diving into an empty logic pool here. You're trying to find something discriminatory that's not there.

Accepting that race is a factor in the human condition isn't racist.


Not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if you are hiring a candidate even 1% less qualified based on the "relatability" due to race that you are doing a disservice to the new hire (patronizingly hiring said candidate to further some perceived social agenda that needs correcting) and the players (by not trusting pro athletes to simply do their job to the best of their abilities).

BigBlueBlogger puts it more eloquently than I could.

All I want is to just hire the best football coach and staff. Why does this coaching search have to have race and diversity injected into the equation? Let's just hire the best guy.
RE: TLG: Beasonís point was neither of those two.  
eclipz928 : 1/8/2018 10:46 pm : link
In comment 13779203 Big Blue Blogger said:
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The Giants would be wise to hire Pat Shurmur over Denzel Washington.

Bad example - the Giants hiring Coach Boone would be awesome.
And seriously, TLG, I understand your basic point.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 10:47 pm : link
Sure, there is an uncomfortable asymmetry in the idea that a white player who performs better for a white coach is a redneck, racist @$$hole, while a black player who elevates his game for a black coach is just manifesting solidarity, affinity, etc. In a perfect world, no such distinctions would exist. They would both be racist @$$holes.
By the way, Beasonís point was somewhat specific to New York.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/8/2018 11:06 pm : link
He referred not only to the players, but also at length to the city - which is interesting, because I think the Giant fan base is much whiter than the city as a whole. On the other hand, the team brass, post Reese/Ross, is even whiter.
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christian : 1/8/2018 11:06 pm : link
In comment 13779284 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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In comment 13779242 christian said:


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Just so we're all on the same page here -- your stance is 1) relatability is not a beneficial quality in leadership 2) race is not a relatable factor?

You're diving into an empty logic pool here. You're trying to find something discriminatory that's not there.

Accepting that race is a factor in the human condition isn't racist.



Not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if you are hiring a candidate even 1% less qualified based on the "relatability" due to race that you are doing a disservice to the new hire (patronizingly hiring said candidate to further some perceived social agenda that needs correcting) and the players (by not trusting pro athletes to simply do their job to the best of their abilities).

BigBlueBlogger puts it more eloquently than I could.

All I want is to just hire the best football coach and staff. Why does this coaching search have to have race and diversity injected into the equation? Let's just hire the best guy.


And what you're not getting is being relatable and being able to relate to the group being led can be a quality that contributes to the guy being the best guy.

It has nothing to do with correcting an injustice. That's not a part of anyone's calculation in this argument aside from you I've read.
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ThatLimerickGuy : 1/8/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13779357 christian said:
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In comment 13779284 ThatLimerickGuy said:


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In comment 13779242 christian said:


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Just so we're all on the same page here -- your stance is 1) relatability is not a beneficial quality in leadership 2) race is not a relatable factor?

You're diving into an empty logic pool here. You're trying to find something discriminatory that's not there.

Accepting that race is a factor in the human condition isn't racist.



Not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if you are hiring a candidate even 1% less qualified based on the "relatability" due to race that you are doing a disservice to the new hire (patronizingly hiring said candidate to further some perceived social agenda that needs correcting) and the players (by not trusting pro athletes to simply do their job to the best of their abilities).

BigBlueBlogger puts it more eloquently than I could.

All I want is to just hire the best football coach and staff. Why does this coaching search have to have race and diversity injected into the equation? Let's just hire the best guy.



And what you're not getting is being relatable and being able to relate to the group being led can be a quality that contributes to the guy being the best guy.

It has nothing to do with correcting an injustice. That's not a part of anyone's calculation in this argument aside from you I've read.


We will have to agree to disagree. I understand your point but until that concept is applied evenly in all situations across all industries it seems very insincere to play that card. That's all. Your premise seems to be that its beneficial to homogenize a workforce when it favors minorities. For a prime example picture the scenario when am equally well qualified black coach interviews for the NY Rangers job but is told that he isnt going to be hired because an eastern european white guy can relate more to the players. Also, what do you think that social science you referenced is based on if not remedying prior social injustice?
TLG: That question has already been answered multiple times above.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/9/2018 7:27 am : link
ThatLimerickGuy said:
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Also, what do you think that social science you referenced is based on if not remedying prior social injustice?
See eclipz928ís posts on this subject. The dependent variables are things like profitability, customer perception, productivity and worker satisfaction. Remedying injustice is doubtless a factor in these positive outcomes, but itís not the thing being measured.

I canít assess the validity of those studies, or the degree to which they justify hiring preferences. Iím just saying they exist, and that they arenít what you insist they are.
Yeah, put me in the camp  
Beezer : 1/9/2018 8:17 am : link
that could give no fucks about the tone of our next HC's skin. If Wilks vets out as the choice, let's get behind him. That said, some of what Beason said makes logical sense. We can wish away (or for) some things. Doesn't mean we'll get the result we want. Bottom line, if Wilks is the guy ... LET'S GO! If he brings a bit of old-school style, excellent. Love it.

(Is Wilks the guy who says he'd HC from the booth? I don't LOVE that. But, if it's his style and it works, all right.)
RE: Peppers  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/9/2018 8:22 am : link
In comment 13778978 Archer said:
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Are there any articles or sites that you can recommend where I can read more about Wilks ?


Link - ( New Window )
Hmmm, Beason shining bright with RACISM  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/9/2018 11:01 am : link
reverse racism, is f'n racism. RACE HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH ANYTHING. There are successful, unsuccessful, rich and poor, smart and stupid and jerkoffs of EACH and every friggen race on the planet and probably the universe and anyone saying otherwise is a RACE BAITING DOLT.

Get over your own personal identity issues ffs.

Move on.
Racism..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2018 11:12 am : link
is the discrimination of a person based on color.

Beason laid out reasons why players can relate to Wilks. In what way is that racist or derogatory to other races?

People who don't even understand the word racism, probably shouldn't post about it, especially using CAPS and sounding like a fucking moron.
FMiC  
ArcadeSlumlord : 1/9/2018 11:29 am : link
personal attacks are a ban-able offense on these forums. I just merely gave my opinion. You dont like it you are welcome to pound sand...
Is it a personal..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/9/2018 11:30 am : link
attack to call somebody a fucking moron when that's exactly how they sound?
wtf... how did this turn racist?  
GMAN4LIFE : 1/9/2018 11:40 am : link
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RE: Is it a personal..  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/9/2018 11:41 am : link
FatMan in Charlotte said:
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attack to call somebody a fucking moron when that's exactly how they sound?
It probably would be, but that's not what you did. You just told him he sounded like a f*cking moron.

Under the circumstances, I'd call that friendly advice - based on a frank expression of your opinion - not a personal attack
I read that Saban was having a discussion just last week  
Bill in UT : 1/9/2018 11:51 am : link
with the other final 4 coaches about how white guys, especially older white guys, can't coach young black players
The debate here is over two separate issues  
lawguy9801 : 1/9/2018 12:32 pm : link
Last year I attended a panel of in house who attorneys who discussed what traits they look for when hiring outside counsel. One of the panelists, with no shame at all, said that she expressly looks to hire attorneys who are minorities or females - in other words, anyone except white males. When I think of "diversity" initiatives, THAT'S what I - someone who has busted his ass his entire life - think of, and I know that at bottom, many of these initiatives are simply officially-sanctioned ways to discriminate against me based on nothing more than the color of my skin and my gender. It's simply the other side of the same racist coin that we fought against for so long. It's not right then, and it's not right now.

It may not be quite the same with the Giants head coaching search, because we're talking about a league that is at least 75% black, and there really could be a tangible benefit in having a black coach who could relate better to the vast majority of his players - and a large part of whose job, after all, is to motivate and get the most out of his players. Not that I'm advocating for Wilks on this basis, but I think it's something that is reasonable to consider as one of many factors. But more generally, when you're dealing with race-neutral ideas like drafting contracts or engaging in litigation, the idea that you can rightfully discriminate against white people (men in particular) in hiring is ludicrous and insulting.
RE: The debate here is over two separate issues  
lawguy9801 : 1/9/2018 12:42 pm : link
In comment 13780091 lawguy9801 said:
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Last year I attended a panel of in house who attorneys who discussed what traits they look for when hiring outside counsel. One of the panelists, with no shame at all, said that she expressly looks to hire attorneys who are minorities or females - in other words, anyone except white males. When I think of "diversity" initiatives, THAT'S what I - someone who has busted his ass his entire life - think of, and I know that at bottom, many of these initiatives are simply officially-sanctioned ways to discriminate against me based on nothing more than the color of my skin and my gender. It's simply the other side of the same racist coin that we fought against for so long. It's not right then, and it's not right now.

It may not be quite the same with the Giants head coaching search, because we're talking about a league that is at least 75% black, and there really could be a tangible benefit in having a black coach who could relate better to the vast majority of his players - and a large part of whose job, after all, is to motivate and get the most out of his players. Not that I'm advocating for Wilks on this basis, but I think it's something that is reasonable to consider as one of many factors. But more generally, when you're dealing with race-neutral ideas like drafting contracts or engaging in litigation, the idea that you can rightfully discriminate against white people (men in particular) in hiring is ludicrous and insulting.


But then, of course, the counter to my statement to Wilks:

Am I thereby saying that a black man can never coach an NHL team and that his race should be used against him? No...but it highlights the problem of explicitly bringing race into the equation to begin with.
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