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Big week for Panthers DC Steve Wilks. NYG, AZ, IND are 1st interviews. Norv Turner and John DeFilippo among his OC possibilities if hired
Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.
Isn’t chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I don’t actually know if he was any good. But typically you don’t become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.
Isn’t chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I don’t actually know if he was any good. But typically you don’t become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
Last I read Balitmore is doing everything they can to get Chuck back.. But he is on record saying Indy would be his last stop coaching so I guess we'll see.
Eric Washington is going to be Wilks DC. Everyone keeps linking Holcomb but Washington and Wilks are very close.
Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.
Isn’t chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I don’t actually know if he was any good. But typically you don’t become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
Yeah, Pagano has been a DC and defensive backfield coach in the past. I would have no problem if he was on the NYG's staff next season.
He left the Vikings after disagreeing with Zimmer on how to run the offense.
Here he would probably be given more control. He’d be enticed with a young QB to mold and build up, which he said would be a desirable reason to be an OC again.
Ken Dorsey is just getting started. It seems like he thought he might want to go into scouting initially and then (maybe) changed his mind and went into coaching instead:
The more I like Wilks. If he can bring Eric Washington who has coached the DL in Carolina for years to be the DC and bring a strong veteran staff to fix the offense with the names mentioned above I'm sold. That would leave Wilks with the ability to correct the issues and instill his beliefs without having to feel like he has to micro manage his staff. Tomlinson is a good example. I think Wilks is actually a better football guy but he would be free to put out fires and instill his authority. Big thing is the guy comes off as real and I think with young players that is big also. Let's not forget one of the biggest improvements could be who comes along to coach special teams.
“Wilks is a person that would need to hire the right offensive coordinator, and he’s pegged Mike McCoy, allegedly, as his guy.”
McCoy makes a lot of sense. He has head coaching experience, which will give Wilks someone to bounce ideas off of. New, inexperienced head coaches often like to have a ex-head coach on the staff for someone to confide in.
McCoy does a very good job manipulating defenses; he schemes. His second stint with the Broncos didn't go well; but his first was pretty good.
The more I like Wilks. If he can bring Eric Washington who has coached the DL in Carolina for years to be the DC and bring a strong veteran staff to fix the offense with the names mentioned above I'm sold. That would leave Wilks with the ability to correct the issues and instill his beliefs without having to feel like he has to micro manage his staff. Tomlinson is a good example. I think Wilks is actually a better football guy but he would be free to put out fires and instill his authority. Big thing is the guy comes off as real and I think with young players that is big also. Let's not forget one of the biggest improvements could be who comes along to coach special teams.
Chase Blackburn is the assistant special teams coach for the Panthers, Maybe he comes home to the Giants???
got a playoff win out of Tim Tebow at QB. That alone is a lifetime accomplishment.
He’d be a fine choice as an OC and I think he’d have interest in coming here. Elway threw him under the bus because he needed to make excuses for failing to solidify the QB position and hide the fact his HC hire is terrible.
Been saying Norv as Assistant
HC ,/ QB coach . routes master and an OL specialist like Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's) or Chris Morgan (Atlanta/Seattle ) as OC, for the past month or so.
You definitely want a truly proven OL master in the mix and to some extent, not only driving the training but - establishing a base or various bases for the offense more broadly, as opposed to simply implementing stuff.
And the idea that within a specific and known schedule, a person in a system can have greater or lesser authority depending on what part of the schedule you are in. Each year or each week.
For example, here, if you find a true OL guru:
During the early off season of year one in a re do of the entire system, they might be establishing base concepts or even detailed actions and handing those up the chain for HC and assistant HC to work around and with. That's a rational model for building an offense.
Then, during weeks with Sunday games, Monday afternoons you have three way conversations on each side. HC, ahc and OC.
Then. As of Tuesday morning, it reverts to a true hierarchy with HC at top and coords executing the details as ordered by HC just after a Monday night meeting. Ahc depending may call plays.
If it's Wilks and Norv, my feeling that they take Barkley #2 overall Â
Organised self critique during the weekly process is the existence of 'tells'.
It's been mentioned by fans here that during the season that certain formations, the deep depth of your setback RB,(run off guard) etc., indicated exactly what the play was. 'Tells'.
So, whereas, -on paper- they may have had other plays from that set, they may assume that only one will work, or only one will work against a given opponent.
So, any multiplicity they may have had, is negated.
Obviously, within a weekly open format meeting for just this purpose, you discuss exacty those -sorts- of things, maybe decide to practice (rb wheel route or whatever the other thing was).
Then. After that meeting. It reverts to dictatorship, as it should.
the giants need at this point in time, very experienced and there is nothing a defense can throw at him he hasn't seen, this is the type of coach we need at DC also, solid experienced no nonsense coach who has proven he knows how to get the job done...
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When #Panthers coach Ron Rivera fired Mike Shula today, he had a target in mind: Long-time OC Norv Turner, who was out of football last year. Would be an upgrade if that comes together.
For sure to a Divisional opponent.
Someone mentioned Rob Chudzinski in the other thread but Ken Dorsey is getting some buzz as a OC soon. He's currently Carolinas QB coach.
Isn’t chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I don’t actually know if he was any good. But typically you don’t become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
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Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.
Isn’t chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I don’t actually know if he was any good. But typically you don’t become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
Last I read Balitmore is doing everything they can to get Chuck back.. But he is on record saying Indy would be his last stop coaching so I guess we'll see.
Eric Washington is going to be Wilks DC. Everyone keeps linking Holcomb but Washington and Wilks are very close.
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Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.
Isn’t chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I don’t actually know if he was any good. But typically you don’t become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
Yeah, Pagano has been a DC and defensive backfield coach in the past. I would have no problem if he was on the NYG's staff next season.
Here he would probably be given more control. He’d be enticed with a young QB to mold and build up, which he said would be a desirable reason to be an OC again.
Dude looked like he got in the face with a bag full of pesos
It was really ugly as Zimmer basically ended up freezing out his own OC during certain points of games
This could be very good!
I like a Wilks/Norv Tandem as option 1a, provided the B.B. pipe dream is off the table.
An OL upgrade would indeed be essential, but that would be the case no matter who takes over the offense.
Eric Washington will be his DC.
You think Wilks is the guy?
You think Wilks is the guy?
Apparently they have a history and remain friends. Pep is still highly thought of in coaching circles.
Yea, I think Wilks is the guy. We've under estimated his relationship with DG.
DeFilippo has a pretty decent resume:
http://media.philadelphiaeagles.com/media/156431/defilippo-john.pdf
Ken Dorsey is just getting started. It seems like he thought he might want to go into scouting initially and then (maybe) changed his mind and went into coaching instead:
http://www.panthers.com/team/coaches/ken-dorsey/bba285e8-fc3b-4e30-9a67-97134ef00f7b
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noticed you mentioned Washington earlier as well. Interesting. Why Pep though?
Pep is okay but I would much prefer Norv Turner if possible.
You think Wilks is the guy?
Apparently they have a history and remain friends. Pep is still highly thought of in coaching circles.
Yea, I think Wilks is the guy. We've under estimated his relationship with DG.
Eric Washington will be his DC.
So do you think Norv Turner is 1a and Pep is 1b?
McCoy makes a lot of sense. He has head coaching experience, which will give Wilks someone to bounce ideas off of. New, inexperienced head coaches often like to have a ex-head coach on the staff for someone to confide in.
McCoy does a very good job manipulating defenses; he schemes. His second stint with the Broncos didn't go well; but his first was pretty good.
Chase Blackburn is the assistant special teams coach for the Panthers, Maybe he comes home to the Giants???
I’ve been longing for Turner as OC for over 20 years.
He’d be a fine choice as an OC and I think he’d have interest in coming here. Elway threw him under the bus because he needed to make excuses for failing to solidify the QB position and hide the fact his HC hire is terrible.
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Just heard if its not Norv Turner the name to look out for is Pep Hamilton.
Eric Washington will be his DC.
So do you think Norv Turner is 1a and Pep is 1b?
Turner is 1. Pep could be added whether he gets the OC title or not.
And (no surprise) Scott Turner would follow Norv.
Which is interesting because both Pep and Scott are currently on Michigans coaching staff.
HC ,/ QB coach . routes master and an OL specialist like Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's) or Chris Morgan (Atlanta/Seattle ) as OC, for the past month or so.
You definitely want a truly proven OL master in the mix and to some extent, not only driving the training but - establishing a base or various bases for the offense more broadly, as opposed to simply implementing stuff.
And the idea that within a specific and known schedule, a person in a system can have greater or lesser authority depending on what part of the schedule you are in. Each year or each week.
For example, here, if you find a true OL guru:
During the early off season of year one in a re do of the entire system, they might be establishing base concepts or even detailed actions and handing those up the chain for HC and assistant HC to work around and with. That's a rational model for building an offense.
Then, during weeks with Sunday games, Monday afternoons you have three way conversations on each side. HC, ahc and OC.
Then. As of Tuesday morning, it reverts to a true hierarchy with HC at top and coords executing the details as ordered by HC just after a Monday night meeting. Ahc depending may call plays.
I could get on board with that, helps alleviate Wilks experience gap a bit.
It's been mentioned by fans here that during the season that certain formations, the deep depth of your setback RB,(run off guard) etc., indicated exactly what the play was. 'Tells'.
So, whereas, -on paper- they may have had other plays from that set, they may assume that only one will work, or only one will work against a given opponent.
So, any multiplicity they may have had, is negated.
Obviously, within a weekly open format meeting for just this purpose, you discuss exacty those -sorts- of things, maybe decide to practice (rb wheel route or whatever the other thing was).
Then. After that meeting. It reverts to dictatorship, as it should.
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When #Panthers coach Ron Rivera fired Mike Shula today, he had a target in mind: Long-time OC Norv Turner, who was out of football last year. Would be an upgrade if that comes together.
And Norv Turner a hot commodity....
Hahahaha! Ironic.
Basketball on grass my ass!