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battttles : 1/8/2018 7:45 pm
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Big week for Panthers DC Steve Wilks. NYG, AZ, IND are 1st interviews. Norv Turner and John DeFilippo among his OC possibilities if hired
The Eagles already blocked DeFillipo once  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/8/2018 7:46 pm : link
I bet they'd do it again.
RE: The Eagles already blocked DeFillipo once  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2018 7:48 pm : link
In comment 13778944 Ten Ton Hammer said:
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I bet they'd do it again.


For sure to a Divisional opponent.
He's only a QB coach...  
battttles : 1/8/2018 7:48 pm : link
Couldn't block him from an OC job, right?
Wow...  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 7:48 pm : link
Iíd sign up for either of those guys.
DiFilippo's  
Jon T : 1/8/2018 7:55 pm : link
contract is up, eagles can't block him from leaving this year
Wow  
tbonfig : 1/8/2018 7:57 pm : link
Norv would be a great catch as an OC, right?
I posted this on a few threads,  
Pete in MD : 1/8/2018 7:58 pm : link
Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.
I don't think the Eagles  
Pete in MD : 1/8/2018 8:00 pm : link
can block DeFilippo once their season is over (which hopefully is very soon.)
Norv Turner would be awesome  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 8:01 pm : link
DeFlippio would be a nice 1 year rental.

Someone mentioned Rob Chudzinski in the other thread but Ken Dorsey is getting some buzz as a OC soon. He's currently Carolinas QB coach.
RE: I posted this on a few threads,  
rasbutant : 1/8/2018 8:02 pm : link
In comment 13778977 Pete in MD said:
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Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.


Isnít chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I donít actually know if he was any good. But typically you donít become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.
RE: RE: I posted this on a few threads,  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 8:06 pm : link
In comment 13778990 rasbutant said:
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In comment 13778977 Pete in MD said:


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Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.



Isnít chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I donít actually know if he was any good. But typically you donít become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.


Last I read Balitmore is doing everything they can to get Chuck back.. But he is on record saying Indy would be his last stop coaching so I guess we'll see.

Eric Washington is going to be Wilks DC. Everyone keeps linking Holcomb but Washington and Wilks are very close.
RE: RE: I posted this on a few threads,  
Pete in MD : 1/8/2018 8:07 pm : link
In comment 13778990 rasbutant said:
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In comment 13778977 Pete in MD said:


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Wilks has worked with Rob Chudzinski in the past. He was recently part of Chuck Pagano's staff in Indy so he's probably available.



Isnít chuck a dc by trade, maybe he comes with him as well??? Though I donít actually know if he was any good. But typically you donít become coach unless you did well as coordinator. Could help with coaching transition also.

Yeah, Pagano has been a DC and defensive backfield coach in the past. I would have no problem if he was on the NYG's staff next season.
Wilks with Norv Turner running the offense!?  
Chris684 : 1/8/2018 8:19 pm : link
That would be EXCELLENT
I said earlier this week  
Rflairr : 1/8/2018 8:19 pm : link
Wilks might could get both. With Norv maybe Asst HC/QB coach
Norv Turner please!  
JohnB : 1/8/2018 8:19 pm : link
He wasn't much of a HC but as an OC, he was one of the best.
Didn't Norv flop in Minny  
battttles : 1/8/2018 8:23 pm : link
before Shurmur took over?
Norv Turner  
Sammo85 : 1/8/2018 8:23 pm : link
He left the Vikings after disagreeing with Zimmer on how to run the offense.

Here he would probably be given more control. Heíd be enticed with a young QB to mold and build up, which he said would be a desirable reason to be an OC again.
Norv Turner?  
David B. : 1/8/2018 8:37 pm : link
Where is ol' pegboard face these days?
Ken Dorsey would be a legitimate possibility  
jeff57 : 1/8/2018 8:39 pm : link
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RE: Norv Turner?  
chopperhatch : 1/8/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13779045 David B. said:
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Where is ol' pegboard face these days?


Dude looked like he got in the face with a bag full of pesos
Norv..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/8/2018 8:46 pm : link
didn't flop in Minny. Zimmer tried to torpedo him and he ended up quitting mid-year.

It was really ugly as Zimmer basically ended up freezing out his own OC during certain points of games
I'd sign up for Norv in a heartbeat  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 8:47 pm : link
The OC version of Wade Phillips
All those guys here lamenting the lack of downfield passing  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 8:50 pm : link
Will love Norv's Air Coryell scheme. Power running and downfield passing. Engram will love it too
Norv would be great at helping determine what to do at QB as well.  
Tom in NY : 1/8/2018 9:00 pm : link
His experience would be key in evaluating Webb vs. #1 pick options and/or Eli's capabilities for another year or two.

This could be very good!
Greg  
BP in Delray : 1/8/2018 9:00 pm : link
Norv is a perfect compliment to Wilks. Like you said, would be akin to Wade for Sean McVay.

I like a Wilks/Norv Tandem as option 1a, provided the B.B. pipe dream is off the table.
I mean this goes for all systems I guess  
SirYesSir : 1/8/2018 9:06 pm : link
But Turner's offense has always placed high demands on the O-Line. He can't run his stuff without some serious hog-mollies
RE: I mean this goes for all systems I guess  
Greg from LI : 1/8/2018 9:14 pm : link
In comment 13779088 SirYesSir said:
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But Turner's offense has always placed high demands on the O-Line. He can't run his stuff without some serious hog-mollies


An OL upgrade would indeed be essential, but that would be the case no matter who takes over the offense.
Pep Hamilton  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 9:20 pm : link
Just heard if its not Norv Turner the name to look out for is Pep Hamilton.

Eric Washington will be his DC.




Peppers  
battttles : 1/8/2018 9:27 pm : link
noticed you mentioned Washington earlier as well. Interesting. Why Pep though?

You think Wilks is the guy?
McCoy is another name....  
rasbutant : 1/8/2018 9:30 pm : link
ďWilks is a person that would need to hire the right offensive coordinator, and heís pegged Mike McCoy, allegedly, as his guy.Ē
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arcarsenal : 1/8/2018 9:35 pm : link
I'd love Norv. Excellent OC.
His OC choice and his OL coach  
blueblood : 1/8/2018 9:35 pm : link
are probably two of the most important decisions on his coaching staff to be made.
Norv would be great..  
Sean : 1/8/2018 9:37 pm : link
No worries of him leaving to be a HC. Hopefully can lead to some stability.
Rob Chudzinski  
rasbutant : 1/8/2018 9:38 pm : link
Has also been mentioned on other threads as a possible OC.
RE: Peppers  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 9:44 pm : link
In comment 13779112 battttles said:
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noticed you mentioned Washington earlier as well. Interesting. Why Pep though?

You think Wilks is the guy?


Apparently they have a history and remain friends. Pep is still highly thought of in coaching circles.

Yea, I think Wilks is the guy. We've under estimated his relationship with DG.
DeFilippo vs Dorsey  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 9:45 pm : link
I see these two names come up a lot as potential OC's.

DeFilippo has a pretty decent resume:

http://media.philadelphiaeagles.com/media/156431/defilippo-john.pdf


Ken Dorsey is just getting started. It seems like he thought he might want to go into scouting initially and then (maybe) changed his mind and went into coaching instead:

http://www.panthers.com/team/coaches/ken-dorsey/bba285e8-fc3b-4e30-9a67-97134ef00f7b
RE: RE: Peppers  
Ray_Ray (NYG) : 1/8/2018 9:46 pm : link
In comment 13779133 Peppers said:
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In comment 13779112 battttles said:


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noticed you mentioned Washington earlier as well. Interesting. Why Pep though?


Pep is okay but I would much prefer Norv Turner if possible.
You think Wilks is the guy?



Apparently they have a history and remain friends. Pep is still highly thought of in coaching circles.

Yea, I think Wilks is the guy. We've under estimated his relationship with DG.
RE: Pep Hamilton  
Ray_Ray (NYG) : 1/8/2018 9:50 pm : link
In comment 13779104 Peppers said:
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Just heard if its not Norv Turner the name to look out for is Pep Hamilton.

Eric Washington will be his DC.






So do you think Norv Turner is 1a and Pep is 1b?
The more I read and watch  
Njgfan : 1/8/2018 10:07 pm : link
The more I like Wilks. If he can bring Eric Washington who has coached the DL in Carolina for years to be the DC and bring a strong veteran staff to fix the offense with the names mentioned above I'm sold. That would leave Wilks with the ability to correct the issues and instill his beliefs without having to feel like he has to micro manage his staff. Tomlinson is a good example. I think Wilks is actually a better football guy but he would be free to put out fires and instill his authority. Big thing is the guy comes off as real and I think with young players that is big also. Let's not forget one of the biggest improvements could be who comes along to coach special teams.
RE: McCoy is another name....  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:18 pm : link
In comment 13779115 rasbutant said:
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ďWilks is a person that would need to hire the right offensive coordinator, and heís pegged Mike McCoy, allegedly, as his guy.Ē

McCoy makes a lot of sense. He has head coaching experience, which will give Wilks someone to bounce ideas off of. New, inexperienced head coaches often like to have a ex-head coach on the staff for someone to confide in.

McCoy does a very good job manipulating defenses; he schemes. His second stint with the Broncos didn't go well; but his first was pretty good.
RE: The more I read and watch  
rasbutant : 1/8/2018 10:40 pm : link
In comment 13779164 Njgfan said:
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The more I like Wilks. If he can bring Eric Washington who has coached the DL in Carolina for years to be the DC and bring a strong veteran staff to fix the offense with the names mentioned above I'm sold. That would leave Wilks with the ability to correct the issues and instill his beliefs without having to feel like he has to micro manage his staff. Tomlinson is a good example. I think Wilks is actually a better football guy but he would be free to put out fires and instill his authority. Big thing is the guy comes off as real and I think with young players that is big also. Let's not forget one of the biggest improvements could be who comes along to coach special teams.


Chase Blackburn is the assistant special teams coach for the Panthers, Maybe he comes home to the Giants???
RE: I'd sign up for Norv in a heartbeat  
Boy Cord : 1/8/2018 10:44 pm : link
In comment 13779060 Greg from LI said:
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The OC version of Wade Phillips


Iíve been longing for Turner as OC for over 20 years.
McCoy  
Sammo85 : 1/8/2018 10:46 pm : link
got a playoff win out of Tim Tebow at QB. That alone is a lifetime accomplishment.

Heíd be a fine choice as an OC and I think heíd have interest in coming here. Elway threw him under the bus because he needed to make excuses for failing to solidify the QB position and hide the fact his HC hire is terrible.
RE: RE: Pep Hamilton  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 11:40 pm : link
In comment 13779143 Ray_Ray (NYG) said:
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In comment 13779104 Peppers said:


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Just heard if its not Norv Turner the name to look out for is Pep Hamilton.

Eric Washington will be his DC.








So do you think Norv Turner is 1a and Pep is 1b?



Turner is 1. Pep could be added whether he gets the OC title or not.

And (no surprise) Scott Turner would follow Norv.

Which is interesting because both Pep and Scott are currently on Michigans coaching staff.
Almost started a thread the other day on Norv  
GiantTuff1 : 1/8/2018 11:56 pm : link
Also like the idea of getting a highly successful older guy who wonít bolt for a HC job, and can provide experience to rub off on staff.
Interesting  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 8:19 am : link
Been saying Norv as Assistant
HC ,/ QB coach . routes master and an OL specialist like Dante Scarnecchia (Pat's) or Chris Morgan (Atlanta/Seattle ) as OC, for the past month or so.

You definitely want a truly proven OL master in the mix and to some extent, not only driving the training but - establishing a base or various bases for the offense more broadly, as opposed to simply implementing stuff.
It goes back to that thing about hiring  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 8:33 am : link
Good people and letting them do their jobs.

And the idea that within a specific and known schedule, a person in a system can have greater or lesser authority depending on what part of the schedule you are in. Each year or each week.

For example, here, if you find a true OL guru:

During the early off season of year one in a re do of the entire system, they might be establishing base concepts or even detailed actions and handing those up the chain for HC and assistant HC to work around and with. That's a rational model for building an offense.

Then, during weeks with Sunday games, Monday afternoons you have three way conversations on each side. HC, ahc and OC.

Then. As of Tuesday morning, it reverts to a true hierarchy with HC at top and coords executing the details as ordered by HC just after a Monday night meeting. Ahc depending may call plays.
If it's Wilks and Norv, my feeling that they take Barkley #2 overall  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2018 9:04 am : link
gets much stronger.
RE: Wilks with Norv Turner running the offense!?  
Section331 : 1/9/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13779010 Chris684 said:
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That would be EXCELLENT


I could get on board with that, helps alleviate Wilks experience gap a bit.
Another 'process' thing indicating the lack of  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 9:58 am : link
Organised self critique during the weekly process is the existence of 'tells'.

It's been mentioned by fans here that during the season that certain formations, the deep depth of your setback RB,(run off guard) etc., indicated exactly what the play was. 'Tells'.

So, whereas, -on paper- they may have had other plays from that set, they may assume that only one will work, or only one will work against a given opponent.

So, any multiplicity they may have had, is negated.

Obviously, within a weekly open format meeting for just this purpose, you discuss exacty those -sorts- of things, maybe decide to practice (rb wheel route or whatever the other thing was).

Then. After that meeting. It reverts to dictatorship, as it should.
I am a big Norv fan for an OC position  
PatersonPlank : 1/9/2018 10:49 am : link
The guy has succeeded in that role everywhere he went, HC not so much.
Norv Turner is the kind of coach  
Jersey55 : 1/9/2018 4:34 pm : link
the giants need at this point in time, very experienced and there is nothing a defense can throw at him he hasn't seen, this is the type of coach we need at DC also, solid experienced no nonsense coach who has proven he knows how to get the job done...
Wilks has not been hired of offered the job  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/9/2018 5:34 pm : link
What is the purpose of this thread? It is more important that the Giants take their time and get this right.
Norv Turner to Carolina?  
GFAN52 : 1/9/2018 6:57 pm : link
Ian Rapoport

@RapSheet
When #Panthers coach Ron Rivera fired Mike Shula today, he had a target in mind: Long-time OC Norv Turner, who was out of football last year. Would be an upgrade if that comes together.
Football currently returning as a  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 7:10 pm : link
Man's game. I love it. Run the fuck out of it and throw long.

And Norv Turner a hot commodity....

Hahahaha! Ironic.


Basketball on grass my ass!
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