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Wilks DC possibilities

jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:14 pm
Let's keep the other one OC only and start this one to discuss potential DC's.

So far, I've seen Eric Washington's name come up (see link). He has been a defensive line coach; and that's it. With Wilks having only one year of experience as a DC and no experience as the HC, he is really going to need someone that knows what they are doing running the defense. Eric Washington has never been a DC at any level. That scares me.
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Panthers' staff  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:27 pm : link
If you look at the Panthers defensive coaches, none of them seem like good DC candidates. None of them have any DC experience at any level.

The next place I would look would be Buffalo's defensive staff. I think McDermott ran the Jim Johnson's Eagles defense while in Carolina. I assume that is the same defense that the Panthers ran in 2017.

I have to say it; Spags as the DC makes a lot of sense.

The linked article is on the Panthers D when McDermott was the DC.
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Could be a risk  
Njgfan : 1/8/2018 10:28 pm : link
But I would rather have a inexperienced guy on the side of the ball that Wilks specializes in. He could always continue to call the defense or step in on the defense. From what I read about Washington the players speak highly of him and praise him as a teacher and motivator. He would be promoted to D.C. In Carolina if he does not leave with Wilks.
Al Holcomb  
ryanmkeane : 1/8/2018 10:30 pm : link
will probably be the guy. Carolina LB coach and former Giant assistant. Stapleton reported his name as being the likely DC.
Article on Wilks as DC  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:31 pm : link
This article was written when Wilks was made DC in January 2017. Sounds like he Holcolm, his LB coach, was a DC candidate for Buffalo but decided to stay in Carolina.

Regardless, the D they run, and the D Wilks knows, is the old Jim Johnson Eagles D.
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I read that Wilks ran a much more blitz heavy scheme  
robbieballs2003 : 1/8/2018 10:33 pm : link
than McDermott ever ran in Carolina.
Part 2 of the linked Panther's D  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:38 pm : link
This is part 2 of the article I linked above. These are older articles.
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More recent article on Panthers' D  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:42 pm : link
I'm confused, I thought McDermott ran Jim Johnson Eagles defense. But this article says they run the Tampa 2. Correct me if I am wrong, but Jim Johnson did NOT run the Tampa 2.

So, maybe McDermott didn't run the Jim Johnson D while in Carolina ...
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Panther's run a lot of zone  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 10:52 pm : link
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The Carolina Panthers led the way, with almost eighty percent (79.9) of their snaps coming in zone coverage of some variety or other. They ran just 12.3 percent of their snaps in man coverage, and lined up in Cover-3 alone 237 times over the course of the year.

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Al Holcomb  
GFAN52 : 1/8/2018 10:54 pm : link
as his DC. Could even bring Chase Blackburn with him in some coaching role.
11_2017 film breakdown of Panther's D  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 11:10 pm : link
Link provides an interesting breakdown of the Panthers' D late in 2017. Sounds like they had their issues ...
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Vic Fangio's  
12aob : 1/8/2018 11:21 pm : link
Contract is up in Chicago. His Niners defense is the one that beat up Eli in the 2012 NFL championship game. The Bears D made some strides this season. Could be an option
RE: Vic Fangio's  
rasbutant : 1/8/2018 11:35 pm : link
In comment 13779388 12aob said:
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Contract is up in Chicago. His Niners defense is the one that beat up Eli in the 2012 NFL championship game. The Bears D made some strides this season. Could be an option


Green Bay seems like the perfect landing spot for him.
12_2017 article on Panther's D  
jbeintherockies : 1/8/2018 11:45 pm : link
This one has quotes from Vikings HC Zimmer.

Robbie is right, the Panther's blitzed a lot this year.

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Overall, the Panthers’ pass defense has relied entirely upon its pass rush to have success. They rank fourth in sack percentage (sacks vs. dropbacks) but have also given up 18 touchdowns to only five interceptions and an opponent quarterback rating of 94.6.


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“They’re very high on blitz percentage on first, second, and third downs, so they pressure the quarterback,” Zimmer said. “[Luke] Kuechly and [Thomas] Davis they run around, their two inside tackles are hard to move off the ball and the ends are very good pass rushers.”


Seriously, this type of defense only works if it can get pressure with the front 4. We had the zone stuff/Tampa 2 when Fewell was here.


Some background info about Rivera ...

Ron Rivera worked under Jim Johnson while he was their LB coach from 1999–2003. That explains the McDermott connection (at least to me).

Next, Rivera was the secondary coach and the DC under Lovie Smith. So that explains why the Panthers play some (a lot?) of Tampa 2.

Based on that, I have a feeling the Panthers' D is a conglomerate/hybrid of Jim Johnson's zone blitzing 43 and Lovie Smith's Tampa 2.


The more I think about it, Spags actually fits pretty well as Wilks DC IF Wilks gets hired.


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As I've mentioned, Eric Washington  
Peppers : 1/8/2018 11:47 pm : link
Will be the DC for Wilks, not Holcomb.
Spags makes a lot of sense for Wilks  
rasbutant : 1/8/2018 11:57 pm : link
yet if they are hired by the Giants everyone will say that Mara forced Spags on him.
RE: Panther's run a lot of zone  
GiantTuff1 : 1/8/2018 11:59 pm : link
In comment 13779306 jbeintherockies said:
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The Carolina Panthers led the way, with almost eighty percent (79.9) of their snaps coming in zone coverage of some variety or other. They ran just 12.3 percent of their snaps in man coverage, and lined up in Cover-3 alone 237 times over the course of the year.

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Sounds like Tim Lewis Perry Fewell hell.
RE: Spags makes a lot of sense for Wilks  
Milton : 1/9/2018 12:21 am : link
In comment 13779468 rasbutant said:
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yet if they are hired by the Giants everyone will say that Mara forced Spags on him.
Gives Spags great players who stay healthy and you get a defense finishing in the top ten that year. Give Spags anything less than that and you get an historically bad defense. The same would probably be true if Al Bundy was coaching the Giants defense. We can do a lot better than Spagnuolo.

If we're going to bring back a former DC, let it be John Fox!
Wilks DC possibilities  
jbeintherockies : 1/9/2018 12:31 am : link
This thread is an attempt to I'd Wilks' potential DCs. Fox has no connection and I think Fox is burned out. I don't see Foxy coming back.
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Milton : 1/9/2018 12:36 am : link
In comment 13779592 jbeintherockies said:
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This thread is an attempt to I'd Wilks' potential DCs. Fox has no connection and I think Fox is burned out. I don't see Foxy coming back.
Fox has a connection to Gettleman and the Giants organization. Who says he's burned out? I definitely see Fox coming back. He'll be coaching somebody's defense if he's not somebody's head coach. And he's a better defensive coordinator than anybody else out there.
It's been a very long time since john fox ran a defense.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2018 1:12 am : link
The game is really different from what it was the last time he had to attempt it. I don't think it's a slam dunk that he lands somewhere else and is a success.
RE: Vic Fangio's  
Boatie Warrant : 1/9/2018 8:00 am : link
In comment 13779388 12aob said:
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Contract is up in Chicago. His Niners defense is the one that beat up Eli in the 2012 NFL championship game. The Bears D made some strides this season. Could be an option


Vic is one person I would like to see the Giants interview for the head coaching job. If not DC would be great.
Based in this thread  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 8:50 am : link
Not into relying on the blitz and zone dbs.

My thing is to draft insane DTS (we have one already) and utilize a super sized gap attacking scheme, switching up gap responsibilities on every single play and asking the backers, weather they be safeties or linebackers, to work in support of that dl centric system. With man corners and free safeties.

Similar to the old iggles gap attack but with two 320lb plus DTS, either of whom can two gap or play Nose T by turns to make it more multiple and less weak vs run, in other words, go from old iggles / old bucs to ravens, stopping by everything in between, without changing people on the field. From down to down. And/ or an additional true dler in a dime.
And the 5-0-6  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 8:53 am : link
Of course.

Two true DEs.

Three legit heavy DTS including a true nose tackle.

Three safeties and three man cover corners.
Spags my ass. Good bye and thanks for a job mediocrally (if that's a  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2018 9:08 am : link
word) done.
RE: RE: Wilks DC possibilities  
FStubbs : 1/9/2018 9:46 am : link
In comment 13779598 Milton said:
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In comment 13779592 jbeintherockies said:


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This thread is an attempt to I'd Wilks' potential DCs. Fox has no connection and I think Fox is burned out. I don't see Foxy coming back.

Fox has a connection to Gettleman and the Giants organization. Who says he's burned out? I definitely see Fox coming back. He'll be coaching somebody's defense if he's not somebody's head coach. And he's a better defensive coordinator than anybody else out there.


Fox has been a head coach for many, many years since the last time he was a DC, and has even been to 2 Superbowls. He only coaches again if he's head coach.
I don't see how you keep Spags  
Bill in UT : 1/9/2018 12:44 pm : link
after the anarchy that went on with his unit this year- the suspensions and lousy attitude with the CBs, Vernon being the only kneeler on the team to the end.
Spags would be a good pick if Wilks likes his philophies  
PatersonPlank : 1/9/2018 12:51 pm : link
and if Wilks values keeping some continuity on the team. Remember the HC, OC, and GM are all gone. Spags is well liked and would at least give him one senior guy to hold over.
Eric Washington  
XBRONX : 1/9/2018 1:01 pm : link
has been a DC. At the Naval Academy Prep School. LOL
Gus Bradley’s deal is up in SD  
Jay on the Island : 1/9/2018 2:51 pm : link
They were the 3rd ranked defense in football. He should be the main target whoever the HC is. If it is Wilks then it makes even more sense as Bradley has HC experience and he could provide valuable advice to Wilks.
If Wilks truly wants to be a Booth HC  
TMS : 1/9/2018 4:13 pm : link
as he has stated. Then Spagnuolo is his man on the sidelines by far. He has the respect and loyalty of the players and knows their skills. Will Spags take that job, thinking yes. We will see. Feel a lot better about the Wilkes hire if that happens. MO.
Jack Del Rio?  
MTN-G-man : 1/9/2018 5:08 pm : link
Haven't heard his name throw around anywhere.
Thrown  
MTN-G-man : 1/9/2018 5:09 pm : link
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Wtf is a booth HC?  
Shepherdsam : 1/9/2018 5:14 pm : link

You’re kidding, right?
RE: RE: Spags makes a lot of sense for Wilks  
chopperhatch : 1/9/2018 5:29 pm : link
In comment 13779575 Milton said:
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yet if they are hired by the Giants everyone will say that Mara forced Spags on him.

Gives Spags great players who stay healthy and you get a defense finishing in the top ten that year. Give Spags anything less than that and you get an historically bad defense. The same would probably be true if Al Bundy was coaching the Giants defense. We can do a lot better than Spagnuolo.

If we're going to bring back a former DC, let it be John Fox!


Except if he opposed Spare Tire Dixon. Al would own him EVERY time.
RE: Wtf is a booth HC?  
chopperhatch : 1/9/2018 5:32 pm : link
In comment 13780647 Shepherdsam said:
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You’re kidding, right?


Obviously a HC who assassinates the other HC and even ownership. Actually its a fairly desirable trait when you have a crafty opponent. Belichick could probably pull it off, but he has a hard enough time finding adequate competition as it is.
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