This isn't a fucking novel, nor has anything been completed. Foreshadowing is a literary device to give the reader a glimpse of what's coming later. Any interpretation of it in real life is simply a projection or assumption.
Fuck me the way you guys think everything is a master plan.
Which is it, Mara is an incompetent boob or he's a guy that knows all the decisions that will be made?
DG gave us that glimpse, of what's coming ahead. And that's hiring a DC to run the ship. Wilks is the obvious choice cause he's shown that he can lead men and can command a locker room. DG knows him, has a personal relationships with him. The trust has already been built.
Can he be the CEO? That remains to be seen, if hired. But (due to Wilks inexperience) DG will have more control in the decision making. My hope is he doesn't micro-manage and let Wilks (iif hired) grow in the position on his own.
DG has an axe to pick after his firing by Carolina. You don't think he wants to prove, that he not only can get he get a team to a Super Bowl, but to win it?
He's going to want the path to least resistance in achieving that and hiring a McDaniels would thwart that, imv.
Tisch's presence at this interview is preparedness Â
and understanding the schedule Wilks has lined up.
Maybe he doesnt interview well and the Giants pass. If he hits it out of the park, the Giants don't want the other half of ownership to have to try to play catch up in getting in front of this guy as he heads to the other vacancies across the league and potentially miss out.
DG has an axe to pick after his firing by Carolina. You don't think he wants to prove, that he not only can get he get a team to a Super Bowl, but to win it?
He's already proven that several times.
I don't think you really know much about the situation with Carolina. He doesn't have an axe to pick - he stood his ground against Richardson and was fired. This is a guy makes decisions on data-based and scouting-based criteria. He doesn't believe much in uneducated guessing.
When he selects a player or a coach, you can bet he's done his homework on the positives and negatives and assessed their risks, without an emotional bias.
People who think Gettleman is going to dictate things have really not followed his career at all. Imn each of his stops, he has mentored people and gave them decision-making authority to help them further themselves.
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DG has an axe to pick after his firing by Carolina. You don't think he wants to prove, that he not only can get he get a team to a Super Bowl, but to win it?
He's already proven that several times.
But not as a GM..
Even the most successful executives want continued validation, and at times, vindication. Especially after what transpired in Carolina.
I’m going to assume drafting a QB at #2 is out. Because Wilks brings NOTHING to the table on the offensive side of the ball.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
I'm done discussing with you. There is plenty of evidence to support my position. You are obviously going to rationalize it away as no bit deal -fine. You have a right to your opinion. There are many many articles out there characterizing the situation as turmoil or similar adjective from reporters talking to people in the locker room. To me there is smoke, there is probably fire. That's just how I see it.
That's fine. We have a different view of turmoil.
It is all good - opinions are like AHs - we all have them. We'll just disagree.
I think that folks are overrating the relationship of the draft pick Â
and the coach hired. The job of the head coach is to ensure the development of all the players, including the QB. If he can't do it himself, his job is to put a plan in place to get it done by the staff.
This is especially true given the GM Coach hierarchy.
If they Giants are planning to draft a QB at 2, they need to be asking each coach, offensive minded or not, what his thoughts on QB development is.
as counterpoint to you, Parcells was on Michael Kay show last week and specifically said he didn't think it was necessary to have an Offensive guy as HC to groom a young QB. In fact he scoffed at the notion of a 'QB whisperer' and propped up the idea of why a Defensive guy makes for a better HC, and you can support your young QB by putting talented OC/QB coach around him.
of course, he is likely a little biased since he was a Defensive minded HC.
Are the people "not excited" about the Wilks hire Â
I’m going to assume drafting a QB at #2 is out. Because Wilks brings NOTHING to the table on the offensive side of the ball.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
Well then, we'd best not draft WRs, RBs, OTs, etc, if Wilks brings nothing to the offensive side.
I disagree, they'll take a QB if that player makes the most sense whether its Wilks or an offensive coach (McDaniel, etc). The OC and QB Coaches will be top tier regardless as well.
BTW, I find hard to believe they wouldn't take a QB unless they absolutely don't think Rosen, Darnold and/or Mayfield are the real deal -- beyond a shadow of a doubt. Everything we have heard suggest these guys are franchise QB's (I think) To gamble on Webb would be a huge risk.
I’m going to assume drafting a QB at #2 is out. Because Wilks brings NOTHING to the table on the offensive side of the ball.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
Pretty obvious the job will be his. Very little experience as a DC and no offensive experience. This offense is broken. Is Wilks a good fit for a new QB and a new offense ? Pardon me for not being more excited about Wilks/Norv Turner building a new offense.
I’m going to assume drafting a QB at #2 is out. Because Wilks brings NOTHING to the table on the offensive side of the ball.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
I agree 1000 percent. Giants will draft a QB and hiring Wilks makes no sense at all. It's nice that they view him as a quality person but he will fail miserably with a new QB. This looks like a disaster to me.
Pretty obvious the job will be his. Very little experience as a DC and no offensive experience. This offense is broken. Is Wilks a good fit for a new QB and a new offense ? Pardon me for not being more excited about Wilks/Norv Turner building a new offense.
our problems on offense are pretty easy to identify in my view and DG called it out. fix oline, run football and get consistent play out of QB. Quite frankly we have enough in the receiving corp with some better coaching, discipline and mentorship. A serious climate of professional devoid of assholes and grab ass types that do not take their job seriously.
Do people not realize that part of the HC (and GM's) job is to surround themselves with the best fit of coaches so they can LEAD the team?
How on Earth would choosing a QB mean Wilks isn't the best fit? If he's hired, we don't even know who the OC is. Wilks job will be to lead players, not stay curled up with the D in film room all the time.
In the past couple days, I've read some really odd things. A couple posters insinuated that Wilks wants to coach from the booth because that's where he is as DC (with one guy even recommending an Assistant HC to be on the field!)
I've heard that as DC and a first time HC, he'll have no clue how to handle the offense.
He doesn't have to do those things!! He has to lead players. There are a ton of teams who have a HC with a background on one side of the ball that excel on the other side of the ball. Hell, just look to Belicheck. His teams have been ranked in the bottom half of the league for defense in 2 of his SB wins.
I just wish people would stop making up shitty explanations on Wilks when half the board never heard of him prior to last month
Not a fan of hiring a one year coordinator and never before Head Coach Â
Do people not realize that part of the HC (and GM's) job is to surround themselves with the best fit of coaches so they can LEAD the team?
How on Earth would choosing a QB mean Wilks isn't the best fit? If he's hired, we don't even know who the OC is. Wilks job will be to lead players, not stay curled up with the D in film room all the time.
In the past couple days, I've read some really odd things. A couple posters insinuated that Wilks wants to coach from the booth because that's where he is as DC (with one guy even recommending an Assistant HC to be on the field!)
I've heard that as DC and a first time HC, he'll have no clue how to handle the offense.
He doesn't have to do those things!! He has to lead players. There are a ton of teams who have a HC with a background on one side of the ball that excel on the other side of the ball. Hell, just look to Belicheck. His teams have been ranked in the bottom half of the league for defense in 2 of his SB wins.
I just wish people would stop making up shitty explanations on Wilks when half the board never heard of him prior to last month
It's just these fans finding ANY excuse for the Giants not to draft a quarterback. It's beyond ridiculous at this point. They have the #2 pick in a strong QB class, a chance to set themselves up for the next decade+ and fans want to do anything BUT take a chance on a franchise QB, because "none of these guys are sure things".
The choice of offensive and defensive coordinators, on the other hand, may have an impact because certain prospects may be a better match for the system being introduced than other prospects (WCO vs vertical play-action offense, 3-4 defense vs 4-3 defense).
Is that the favorite in the clubhouse is Shurmur, with Wilks being the last real candidate to challenge that. McDaniels is too cocky for the NYG and Patricia doesn't fit the management desire for a strong leader of men, regardless as to how smart he is. Studesville is just a courtesy interview for an old friend of the franchise.
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Is that the favorite in the clubhouse is Shurmur, with Wilks being the last real candidate to challenge that. McDaniels is too cocky for the NYG and Patricia doesn't fit the management desire for a strong leader of men, regardless as to how smart he is. Studesville is just a courtesy interview for an old friend of the franchise.
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Shurmur has been my guy from the get-go. Hopefully it goes from your ears and out of DG's mouth in the coming days.
Is that the favorite in the clubhouse is Shurmur, with Wilks being the last real candidate to challenge that. McDaniels is too cocky for the NYG and Patricia doesn't fit the management desire for a strong leader of men, regardless as to how smart he is. Studesville is just a courtesy interview for an old friend of the franchise.
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Interesting because there just hasn't been much buzz about Shurmur. You'd think the beats would catch wind if he was the front-runner.
I waffle between Shurmur and Wilks but honestly the only reason I like Wilks is because he seems to be Gettleman's guy and I trust Gettleman's judgment more than Mara's.
Work for a GM who only the Giants would hire, a guy who was dismissed and the team improved after he left proof they made the right choice. What confident young Coach would want to report to a yes man GM who has to report to Mara and Tisch on every thing.
RE: Dan: Your examples of Fox and Turner are strange. Â
Fox has never returned to the coordinator level since getting his first head-coaching job in Carolina. Turner was only a coordinator in San Francisco for a year before taking his third HC gig in San Diego. And after being fired there, he was so content being an offensive coordinator that he quit on the Vikings in the middle of his third year, after one season in Cleveland.
Well they weren't as well thought out as a professional proposal would be, but what I was thinking is that they've both been successful coordinators, failed as HC's, and might be open to coming back as coordinators for the long haul. I credit Fox for the Giants defensive success under Fassel's watch. Turner has a strong track record as a coordinator and has developed several strong offenses.
I don't know whether either would be open to such an offer or if they've reached the point in their careers where they would be happy as coordinators winning championships until retirement or not. That would require real research. :-)
Anyway, I just think a first time HC would do well to have more experience behind him than just recently promoted position coaches, who either struggle or remain hot candidates for promotion themselves. Either way it's hard to have continued success that way.
RE: Not a fan of hiring a one year coordinator and never before Head Coach Â
Work for a GM who only the Giants would hire, a guy who was dismissed and the team improved after he left proof they made the right choice. What confident young Coach would want to report to a yes man GM who has to report to Mara and Tisch on every thing.
Fatman get after it. So much wrong with this post. This is to juicy LOL.
RE: Who worth their Salt would want the Giants Job Â
Work for a GM who only the Giants would hire, a guy who was dismissed and the team improved after he left proof they made the right choice. What confident young Coach would want to report to a yes man GM who has to report to Mara and Tisch on every thing.
The good news is that you have 31 other teams to go root for instead. You should explore that opportunity.
I’m going to assume drafting a QB at #2 is out. Because Wilks brings NOTHING to the table on the offensive side of the ball.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
Thank God Tom Brady didn't end up with a defensive coach, otherwise he would have ended up being a waste. Same with Roethlisberger and Rivers. Those defensive coaches don't know what to do with a young QB.
Gatorade Dunk: Are you referring to Savannah State 18 years ago? Â
when he highlighted DC's are in more championship games than any other position. Wilks is his man.
Why bring in a McDaniels, whom will fight for his convictions, (control) during every part of the process of building a championship team. With Wilks inexperience, DG will have more control of every decision thats made during that process.
This is DG's show and Wilks will be riding on his coattails all the way to the top ( hopefully). Wilks job is to be the CEO of the team and leader of men. Wilks will take care of the rest.
Sheesh... the guy hasn't even been hired yet and you're already declaring that any success the team has will be because of the GM with the HC riding his coattails. Where have I seen this before.....?
RE: Tisch's presence at this interview is preparedness Â
and understanding the schedule Wilks has lined up.
Maybe he doesnt interview well and the Giants pass. If he hits it out of the park, the Giants don't want the other half of ownership to have to try to play catch up in getting in front of this guy as he heads to the other vacancies across the league and potentially miss out.
This is how I see it as well. All of the other candidates who've been interviewed already are either with teams that are still playing or are coaches who I don't think the Giants would be terribly upset if they went somewhere else. Wilks is the only one... at this time... that's completely free to move on whenever he finds a team that he wants and wants him.
Those defensive coaches don't know what to do with a young QB.
Dan Marino (Don Shula)
Peyton Manning (Jim Mora)
Matt Ryan (Mike Smith)
Russell Wilson (Pete Carroll)
Cam Newton (Ron Rivera)
Carson Palmer (Marvin Lewis)
Drew Bledsoe (Bill Parcells)
Troy Aikman (Jimmy Johnson)
Roger Staubach (Tom Landry)
Tony Romo (Bill Parcells)
There's no reason to have strong confidence that any of these guys can succeed based on what info we have. All of them have some flaws or big questions to answer.
Is that the favorite in the clubhouse is Shurmur, with Wilks being the last real candidate to challenge that. McDaniels is too cocky for the NYG and Patricia doesn't fit the management desire for a strong leader of men, regardless as to how smart he is. Studesville is just a courtesy interview for an old friend of the franchise.
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Thanks LG. Heard little of the same. Mara likes Shurmur but Wilks is DGs guy. They just did their due diligence on the NE guys.
Also heard a front office hire could be happening soon.. Have you heard anything in regards to that?
I’m going to assume drafting a QB at #2 is out. Because Wilks brings NOTHING to the table on the offensive side of the ball.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
That’s nonsense. He can easily hire Norv and/or Defilipo and a young QB would have all the teaching and experience he would need to be successful.
Technically yes, but a MEAC program with a home-field capacity of 8500 isn't exactly the big time.
Personally, I think recent head-coaching experience at some level is a plus, but not a requirement.
I'm aware that it's not even close to apples to apples, although it does require some of the same administrative oversight and management skills. The size of the stadium doesn't make those responsibilities any different.
That said, I do know that Wilks' HC experience isn't really something to point to as a selling point or a bullet on his resume - I just think some folks are overly consumed with experience over and above the leadership skills that are consistent with successful head coaches. Wilks hasn't been my choice - I've stated before that I prefer Shurmur, but the opposition to Wilks just feels like recency bias because of McAdoo rather than an objective consideration of Wilks as a candidate.
His lack of DC experience is a concern, but he also seems like the best bet to get through to Odell and Apple. That alone gives him a huge leg up cuz those two guys make a huge difference if they mature under Wilks.
Beason’s analysis of Wilks seemed really spot on to me. You can see why Beason was such a leader
It's possible, but my general sense is TC wanted to build out from the trenches and JR was enamored with shiny fast toys.
and it is not clear to me what McAdoo wanted and/or whether he and Jerry ever really spoke!
Fair enough. Although I firmly believe that Reese and TC collaborated a lot more often on player evaluations and acquisitions than most here seem to want to do, I don't see it as completely unbelievable that perhaps TC would've pounded the table for a player here or there and was overruled by Reese. I'm not saying that this WAS the case... just that I'm not completely dismissive of the idea that it could've been the case.
Just for the record though, I'll point out that Coughlin's first draft choice in the Jags' FO was a 'shiny, fast toy'. *grin*
Let's put it this way, (assuming we hire Wilks, who we know DG is probably pushing for) this will be the first time in ages since a new GM was brought in and was able to hire his own coach without it being a promotion from withiin.
Unless you are dead in front of a bloody keyboard right now.
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Okay you got me there I laughed at that one well played
This isn't a fucking novel, nor has anything been completed. Foreshadowing is a literary device to give the reader a glimpse of what's coming later. Any interpretation of it in real life is simply a projection or assumption.
Fuck me the way you guys think everything is a master plan.
Which is it, Mara is an incompetent boob or he's a guy that knows all the decisions that will be made?
DG gave us that glimpse, of what's coming ahead. And that's hiring a DC to run the ship. Wilks is the obvious choice cause he's shown that he can lead men and can command a locker room. DG knows him, has a personal relationships with him. The trust has already been built.
Can he be the CEO? That remains to be seen, if hired. But (due to Wilks inexperience) DG will have more control in the decision making. My hope is he doesn't micro-manage and let Wilks (iif hired) grow in the position on his own.
DG has an axe to pick after his firing by Carolina. You don't think he wants to prove, that he not only can get he get a team to a Super Bowl, but to win it?
He's going to want the path to least resistance in achieving that and hiring a McDaniels would thwart that, imv.
Maybe he doesnt interview well and the Giants pass. If he hits it out of the park, the Giants don't want the other half of ownership to have to try to play catch up in getting in front of this guy as he heads to the other vacancies across the league and potentially miss out.
He's already proven that several times.
I don't think you really know much about the situation with Carolina. He doesn't have an axe to pick - he stood his ground against Richardson and was fired. This is a guy makes decisions on data-based and scouting-based criteria. He doesn't believe much in uneducated guessing.
When he selects a player or a coach, you can bet he's done his homework on the positives and negatives and assessed their risks, without an emotional bias.
People who think Gettleman is going to dictate things have really not followed his career at all. Imn each of his stops, he has mentored people and gave them decision-making authority to help them further themselves.
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DG has an axe to pick after his firing by Carolina. You don't think he wants to prove, that he not only can get he get a team to a Super Bowl, but to win it?
He's already proven that several times.
But not as a GM..
Even the most successful executives want continued validation, and at times, vindication. Especially after what transpired in Carolina.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
That's fine. We have a different view of turmoil.
It is all good - opinions are like AHs - we all have them. We'll just disagree.
This is especially true given the GM Coach hierarchy.
If they Giants are planning to draft a QB at 2, they need to be asking each coach, offensive minded or not, what his thoughts on QB development is.
of course, he is likely a little biased since he was a Defensive minded HC.
If DG really likes Wilks, then I'm excited about the hire. He obviously knows him very well.
Also, that would mean that neither of the NE coordinators blew them away in the interview since they did interview the "hot candidates".
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
Well then, we'd best not draft WRs, RBs, OTs, etc, if Wilks brings nothing to the offensive side.
There is a reason teams hire OCs and QB coaches.
BTW, I find hard to believe they wouldn't take a QB unless they absolutely don't think Rosen, Darnold and/or Mayfield are the real deal -- beyond a shadow of a doubt. Everything we have heard suggest these guys are franchise QB's (I think) To gamble on Webb would be a huge risk.
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These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
I agree 1000 percent. Giants will draft a QB and hiring Wilks makes no sense at all. It's nice that they view him as a quality person but he will fail miserably with a new QB. This looks like a disaster to me.
our problems on offense are pretty easy to identify in my view and DG called it out. fix oline, run football and get consistent play out of QB. Quite frankly we have enough in the receiving corp with some better coaching, discipline and mentorship. A serious climate of professional devoid of assholes and grab ass types that do not take their job seriously.
Gotta fix the defense! or gotta fix the offense!
Always reacting to one side of the ball. The best HEAD coach needs to be hired.
Do people not realize that part of the HC (and GM's) job is to surround themselves with the best fit of coaches so they can LEAD the team?
How on Earth would choosing a QB mean Wilks isn't the best fit? If he's hired, we don't even know who the OC is. Wilks job will be to lead players, not stay curled up with the D in film room all the time.
In the past couple days, I've read some really odd things. A couple posters insinuated that Wilks wants to coach from the booth because that's where he is as DC (with one guy even recommending an Assistant HC to be on the field!)
I've heard that as DC and a first time HC, he'll have no clue how to handle the offense.
He doesn't have to do those things!! He has to lead players. There are a ton of teams who have a HC with a background on one side of the ball that excel on the other side of the ball. Hell, just look to Belicheck. His teams have been ranked in the bottom half of the league for defense in 2 of his SB wins.
I just wish people would stop making up shitty explanations on Wilks when half the board never heard of him prior to last month
Do people not realize that part of the HC (and GM's) job is to surround themselves with the best fit of coaches so they can LEAD the team?
How on Earth would choosing a QB mean Wilks isn't the best fit? If he's hired, we don't even know who the OC is. Wilks job will be to lead players, not stay curled up with the D in film room all the time.
In the past couple days, I've read some really odd things. A couple posters insinuated that Wilks wants to coach from the booth because that's where he is as DC (with one guy even recommending an Assistant HC to be on the field!)
I've heard that as DC and a first time HC, he'll have no clue how to handle the offense.
He doesn't have to do those things!! He has to lead players. There are a ton of teams who have a HC with a background on one side of the ball that excel on the other side of the ball. Hell, just look to Belicheck. His teams have been ranked in the bottom half of the league for defense in 2 of his SB wins.
I just wish people would stop making up shitty explanations on Wilks when half the board never heard of him prior to last month
It's just these fans finding ANY excuse for the Giants not to draft a quarterback. It's beyond ridiculous at this point. They have the #2 pick in a strong QB class, a chance to set themselves up for the next decade+ and fans want to do anything BUT take a chance on a franchise QB, because "none of these guys are sure things".
That's fine. We have a different view of turmoil.
It is all good - opinions are like AHs - we all have them. We'll just disagree.
The same shit happened when Eli was drafted. They said we were fine with Collins.
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Shurmur has been my guy from the get-go. Hopefully it goes from your ears and out of DG's mouth in the coming days.
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Interesting because there just hasn't been much buzz about Shurmur. You'd think the beats would catch wind if he was the front-runner.
I waffle between Shurmur and Wilks but honestly the only reason I like Wilks is because he seems to be Gettleman's guy and I trust Gettleman's judgment more than Mara's.
Well they weren't as well thought out as a professional proposal would be, but what I was thinking is that they've both been successful coordinators, failed as HC's, and might be open to coming back as coordinators for the long haul. I credit Fox for the Giants defensive success under Fassel's watch. Turner has a strong track record as a coordinator and has developed several strong offenses.
I don't know whether either would be open to such an offer or if they've reached the point in their careers where they would be happy as coordinators winning championships until retirement or not. That would require real research. :-)
Anyway, I just think a first time HC would do well to have more experience behind him than just recently promoted position coaches, who either struggle or remain hot candidates for promotion themselves. Either way it's hard to have continued success that way.
And who is that candidate that you're referring to? Wilks has been a HC, so it's not him. Is there a mystery candidate that you're hearing?
Fatman get after it. So much wrong with this post. This is to juicy LOL.
The good news is that you have 31 other teams to go root for instead. You should explore that opportunity.
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
Thank God Tom Brady didn't end up with a defensive coach, otherwise he would have ended up being a waste. Same with Roethlisberger and Rivers. Those defensive coaches don't know what to do with a young QB.
Personally, I think recent head-coaching experience at some level is a plus, but not a requirement.
Why bring in a McDaniels, whom will fight for his convictions, (control) during every part of the process of building a championship team. With Wilks inexperience, DG will have more control of every decision thats made during that process.
This is DG's show and Wilks will be riding on his coattails all the way to the top ( hopefully). Wilks job is to be the CEO of the team and leader of men. Wilks will take care of the rest.
Sheesh... the guy hasn't even been hired yet and you're already declaring that any success the team has will be because of the GM with the HC riding his coattails. Where have I seen this before.....?
Maybe he doesnt interview well and the Giants pass. If he hits it out of the park, the Giants don't want the other half of ownership to have to try to play catch up in getting in front of this guy as he heads to the other vacancies across the league and potentially miss out.
This is how I see it as well. All of the other candidates who've been interviewed already are either with teams that are still playing or are coaches who I don't think the Giants would be terribly upset if they went somewhere else. Wilks is the only one... at this time... that's completely free to move on whenever he finds a team that he wants and wants him.
Peyton Manning (Jim Mora)
Matt Ryan (Mike Smith)
Russell Wilson (Pete Carroll)
Cam Newton (Ron Rivera)
Carson Palmer (Marvin Lewis)
Drew Bledsoe (Bill Parcells)
Troy Aikman (Jimmy Johnson)
Roger Staubach (Tom Landry)
Tony Romo (Bill Parcells)
What gives you the idea that the HCs and GM haven't been on the same page in a while? Maybe they have been... and it's just been the wrong page?
Could just be agent speak but that's what I'm told...
Thanks LG. Heard little of the same. Mara likes Shurmur but Wilks is DGs guy. They just did their due diligence on the NE guys.
Also heard a front office hire could be happening soon.. Have you heard anything in regards to that?
These young QBs really need to guidance and direction that the Pedersons, McVays, Shanahans provide. Guys at the top making decisions. It’s clearly the best environment to nurture your future QB.
To either not draft a QB, or draft one without a HC with offensive expertise, has the potential to be a major setback...
That’s nonsense. He can easily hire Norv and/or Defilipo and a young QB would have all the teaching and experience he would need to be successful.
What you do is hire a high quality quarterbacks coach.
Tom Coughlin is an offensive-minded head coach and he STILL brought in a noted QB coach for Eli, Chris Palmer.
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Wilks has been a HC, so it's not him.
Technically yes, but a MEAC program with a home-field capacity of 8500 isn't exactly the big time.
Personally, I think recent head-coaching experience at some level is a plus, but not a requirement.
I'm aware that it's not even close to apples to apples, although it does require some of the same administrative oversight and management skills. The size of the stadium doesn't make those responsibilities any different.
That said, I do know that Wilks' HC experience isn't really something to point to as a selling point or a bullet on his resume - I just think some folks are overly consumed with experience over and above the leadership skills that are consistent with successful head coaches. Wilks hasn't been my choice - I've stated before that I prefer Shurmur, but the opposition to Wilks just feels like recency bias because of McAdoo rather than an objective consideration of Wilks as a candidate.
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His lack of DC experience is a concern, but he also seems like the best bet to get through to Odell and Apple. That alone gives him a huge leg up cuz those two guys make a huge difference if they mature under Wilks.
Beason’s analysis of Wilks seemed really spot on to me. You can see why Beason was such a leader
and it is not clear to me what McAdoo wanted and/or whether he and Jerry ever really spoke!
and it is not clear to me what McAdoo wanted and/or whether he and Jerry ever really spoke!
Fair enough. Although I firmly believe that Reese and TC collaborated a lot more often on player evaluations and acquisitions than most here seem to want to do, I don't see it as completely unbelievable that perhaps TC would've pounded the table for a player here or there and was overruled by Reese. I'm not saying that this WAS the case... just that I'm not completely dismissive of the idea that it could've been the case.
Just for the record though, I'll point out that Coughlin's first draft choice in the Jags' FO was a 'shiny, fast toy'. *grin*
Regarding your second paragraph, lol!
that in and of itself is a big deal IMO