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Turnerís O a Good Fit for Current Personnel

Powerclean765 : 1/9/2018 9:34 am
Iíve been hoping the Giants would scrap the WCO and go back to a Northeast style. Turnerís O really fits the bill. According to a breakdown on Vikings.com Turnerís offense features the following elements:

*High YPA.

*Size at WR - big physical Split End.

*A field-stretching TE.

*Physical Rushing Attack

*Shifty Scat-Back

If you look at his offenses he seems to want a great pocket passing QB, a stud RB, a physical mismatch Split End, a receiving TE & a power OL.

Not only a Northeast style O, but also seems to fit the Giants current personnel with Eli (and Webb), OBJ & Engram. Could play to Eliís strengths. Look at the production he gets from his #1WR and TE. Josh Gordon put up 1,650 yards for him.

The mission for Gettleman would be getting a stud RB (Barkley?), a pain in the ass Scat-back and fixing the OL in free agency. Some of his key pieces are already in place and he may be able to get Chudzinski as a position coach too.
This is why I like what they do in NE  
UberAlias : 1/9/2018 9:43 am : link
They morph the offense to fit the strengths of their personnel rather than coming in with a locked system that requires something specific. It's a big part of why they've remained successful for so long.
Well, we've got the field-stretching TE,  
Section331 : 1/9/2018 9:47 am : link
we only need everything else!

Turner also utilizes zone blocking, which makes it easier to find OL to fit that scheme. He makes perfect sense to accompany someone like Wilks.
Isn't Norv Turner like 500 years old?  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2018 10:00 am : link
Guy seems like he's been around forever.
Isn't Norv Turner like 500 years old?  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2018 10:00 am : link
Guy seems like he's been around forever.
RE: This is why I like what they do in NE  
djstat : 1/9/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13779809 UberAlias said:
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They morph the offense to fit the strengths of their personnel rather than coming in with a locked system that requires something specific. It's a big part of why they've remained successful for so long.
A brilliant concept. Modify your scheme to fit your personnel. Unbelievable how complicated (Said with sarcasm).
Where did the Turner idea start that he might come here?  
Blue21 : 1/9/2018 10:12 am : link
Is it just BBI or has someone legit reported it?
RE: RE: This is why I like what they do in NE  
UberAlias : 1/9/2018 10:16 am : link
In comment 13779865 djstat said:
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In comment 13779809 UberAlias said:


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They morph the offense to fit the strengths of their personnel rather than coming in with a locked system that requires something specific. It's a big part of why they've remained successful for so long.

A brilliant concept. Modify your scheme to fit your personnel. Unbelievable how complicated (Said with sarcasm).
Do you even comprehend what is the topic of this thread, or are you that dense? It's about "TURNER's O" and what personnel it requires. Get it? Very few teams do it in the way the Patriots do. It's actually built into the system of terminology they use in NE. Go do some reading.
RE: Where did the Turner idea start that he might come here?  
Section331 : 1/9/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13779870 Blue21 said:
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Is it just BBI or has someone legit reported it?


LaConfora tweeted that DeFillippo and Turner were OC candidates if Wilks is hired (see "Wilks OC Candidates" thread).

RE: RE: Where did the Turner idea start that he might come here?  
ajr2456 : 1/9/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13779888 Section331 said:
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Is it just BBI or has someone legit reported it?



LaConfora tweeted that DeFillippo and Turner were OC candidates if Wilks is hired (see "Wilks OC Candidates" thread).


I'd prefer DeFillippo. His concept going back to his Cleveland days was tailoring his offense to put the ball in his best players hands.

His scheme turned out to be a Gilbride/WCO hybrid kinda.
What has Norv Turner won  
lugnut : 1/9/2018 10:31 am : link
since leaving the Cowboys in the 90s?
Thank you section331  
Blue21 : 1/9/2018 10:36 am : link
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As an OC, I would love to get Norv  
PatersonPlank : 1/9/2018 10:38 am : link
He is one of the top OC's, sort of what Wade Phillips is to DC's.
RE: RE: RE: Where did the Turner idea start that he might come here?  
Breeze_94 : 1/9/2018 10:47 am : link
In comment 13779902 ajr2456 said:
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In comment 13779870 Blue21 said:


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Is it just BBI or has someone legit reported it?



LaConfora tweeted that DeFillippo and Turner were OC candidates if Wilks is hired (see "Wilks OC Candidates" thread).




I'd prefer DeFillippo. His concept going back to his Cleveland days was tailoring his offense to put the ball in his best players hands.

His scheme turned out to be a Gilbride/WCO hybrid kinda.


Amazing because I wanted him gone just as much as the next guy but I kinda miss the Gilbride O. A lot of big plays in the passing game and a power running game. 2013 was brutal but every other year the Giants had a good offense in that scheme.
good fit IF they can rebuild the line  
Heisenberg : 1/9/2018 10:49 am : link
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As i suggested last month  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 11:58 am : link
Turner as assistant HC or OC if it enables you to steal a truly great OL coach (using that person's move up to OC as your justification and lever).

Morgan or Scarnecchia or other.
Typo as assistant HC or QB coach  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 11:59 am : link
If it...
RE: As an OC, I would love to get Norv  
RobCarpenter : 1/9/2018 12:18 pm : link
In comment 13779921 PatersonPlank said:
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He is one of the top OC's, sort of what Wade Phillips is to DC's.


+1. Both are terrible head coaches and fantastic coordinators.

Would love to see Norv as the OC.

And as for his age -- I didn't realize that 65 makes him too old to be an OC. By that logic Dick LeBeau shouldn't be coaching anymore either.
I'd rather have Norv Turner than DeFilipio.  
Brown Recluse : 1/9/2018 12:35 pm : link
Simply because Turner has no plans to run off as a head coach. Hopefully he'll be here for a while, like Gilbride was.
RE: RE: RE: This is why I like what they do in NE  
djstat : 1/9/2018 1:25 pm : link
In comment 13779878 UberAlias said:
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They morph the offense to fit the strengths of their personnel rather than coming in with a locked system that requires something specific. It's a big part of why they've remained successful for so long.

A brilliant concept. Modify your scheme to fit your personnel. Unbelievable how complicated (Said with sarcasm).

Do you even comprehend what is the topic of this thread, or are you that dense? It's about "TURNER's O" and what personnel it requires. Get it? Very few teams do it in the way the Patriots do. It's actually built into the system of terminology they use in NE. Go do some reading.
Curious why I am dense Uber Alias. Someone mentioned New England's concept of fitting scheme to players. That is not dense
djstat  
UberAlias : 1/9/2018 2:47 pm : link
I took your sarcasm directed at me, as if everybody does it. If not, my apologies. The point of the OP was about the man's offense being a good fit for our players, which is contrary to an offense where the talent available comes first, then adapts to it. As I mentioned, the Pats offense has some unique elements in the terminology that make it particularly flexible. They've reinvented themselves over and over throughout the years. It's not uncommon for them to run the hell out of the ball in the first half then turn around and throw it all over the place in the 2nd. Or come at a division opponent with a night and day different game plan the 2nd time around, even after having success the first. By nature the Pats offense is flexible and unpredictable. Contrary to others which are more about: this is what we do, this is our "identity".
Uber. Yup.  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 3:27 pm : link
That's why I am talking about process and having freewheeling specific meetings scheduled within something that is other wise and should be, a dictatorship.

Monday afternoon at 3pm, open meetings critique the crap out of plans and everything and each other with an eye towards the next opponent.... not the last one.

Then each to his own office.

Monday evening at 9pm HC lays down exactly what he decides (based on the 3pm) and coordinators carry it out down to the player level exactly as ordered.
The 3pm should be fun. Beer. Cigs. Open emotionally. A break in  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 3:31 pm : link
In one sense. But brutally honest.

The 9pm is all business as the HC is now captain again. But having listened .
Offensive line.  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/9/2018 3:41 pm : link
There's little point in going back to a 5 and 7 step drop offense when you don't even have a clue what the offensive line is going to be.
RE: RE: This is why I like what they do in NE  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/9/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13779865 djstat said:
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In comment 13779809 UberAlias said:


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They morph the offense to fit the strengths of their personnel rather than coming in with a locked system that requires something specific. It's a big part of why they've remained successful for so long.

A brilliant concept. Modify your scheme to fit your personnel. Unbelievable how complicated (Said with sarcasm).


Bill B does that every year on both sides of ball. Most coaches IMO want to be married to their scheme rather adapt. It's arrogant. Like religious doctrine. Gotta be a WCO. Have to run a 4-3. The draft is a crap shoot most often. So best coaches should be focusing and using who
They you do have and how To best utilize the players that are on the roster and or healthy just seems to be common sense.

How Often did people say McAdoo's O was predicated on a mobile QB. Well that's the opposite of Eli. Then you add a putrid OL. Gee. Let's all
Wonder why the offense was a mess Some coaches just seem too wedded to their scheme and once a few players inevitably get hurt or miss on picks their teams struggle.
It's both at the same time.  
idiotsavant : 1/9/2018 3:54 pm : link
The better idea they have about method, the more focussed the OL search.

If Turner is zone and play action, zone and play action is also shanny roll outs and Atlanta 2016 or Seattle roll outs ...maybe.

Not sure how wedded Turner is or not to straight back 7 steps or what have you, only.
RE: Isn't Norv Turner like 500 years old?  
paesan98 : 1/9/2018 6:10 pm : link
In comment 13779842 Brown Recluse said:
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Guy seems like he's been around forever.


Get real. He's not a day over 175
Panthers targeting Turner for OC  
shyster : 1/9/2018 6:32 pm : link
and perhaps Turner Jr. for QB coach.

This is per Ian Rapoport (and other Panthers beat reporters have picked up and confirmed).


Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet ∑ 2h2 hours ago


When #Panthers coach Ron Rivera fired Mike Shula today, he had a target in mind: Long-time OC Norv Turner, who was out of football last year. Would be an upgrade if that comes together.


 More

The #Panthers have a target for their new OC job: Norv Turner. Scott Turner, his son and a top QB coach, could return to Carolina, as well.



RE: Panthers targeting Turner for OC  
micky : 1/9/2018 7:13 pm : link
In comment 13780721 shyster said:
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and perhaps Turner Jr. for QB coach.

This is per Ian Rapoport (and other Panthers beat reporters have picked up and confirmed).


Ian Rapoport‏Verified account @RapSheet ∑ 2h2 hours ago


When #Panthers coach Ron Rivera fired Mike Shula today, he had a target in mind: Long-time OC Norv Turner, who was out of football last year. Would be an upgrade if that comes together.


 More

The #Panthers have a target for their new OC job: Norv Turner. Scott Turner, his son and a top QB coach, could return to Carolina, as well.




good fit in carolina
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