This hire of the next HC is utterly important because the Giants are known to be a franchise that likes stability and BM was here for 2 years only and again searching for another HC. Wilks is unknown and is a huge huge gamble in my mind but we can strike gold like Tomlin or we can be back searching in 2 to 3 years. Thoughts?
The guy is green as grass and will be thrust into a volatile environment with several franchise altering challenges of the like's he has no experience with.
Transitions away from SB winning QB are often very ugly. To have sustained success you need to develop new QB. Wilks needs to hire someone for this. He's got a major superstar Deva ego to deal with, and his lack of resume puts him at a disadvantage. There's lockeroom turmoil and a media market that can turn on you on a dime. He'll need to build an elite staff and with his own lack of experience will need to convince more seasoned coaches to sign on, at least for OC.
This is not an environment I feel very comfortable about taking a shot on inexperience, no matter how much you may like the guy. He blows any of those situations (Eli, Odell, new QB, etc.) and the franchise takes a huge hit.
John Fox
Mike Smith
Wade Phillips
Brian Billick
Is that what you have in mind?
Ill say this right now. If this shit is true, if these rumors are true, Bill is coming here and we're gonna give up a fortune to get him. And it will be awesome. BBI will go bananas because of all the picks going to New England...don't care. Get him. Leadership is worth EVERYTHING.
Myers is shit but he's not making this shit up. If the Giants don't have a HC in place by Friday I am going to start believing that this might in fact happen.
I was in favor of Mac's hiring. I liked the new guy, continuity on offense, was ok with the Giants taking the chance that he would be a good leader. I was (and the Giants were) wrong. I want someone with HC experience, pro or college.
They have pro bowl players, one of the most talented receivers and tight ends in the game, a talented defense, and the #2 draft pick.
I was in favor of Mac's hiring. I liked the new guy, continuity on offense, was ok with the Giants taking the chance that he would be a good leader. I was (and the Giants were) wrong. I want someone with HC experience, pro or college.
This "continuity on offense" was the misconception made by most of us. The offense run in 2014 and 2015 was a hybrid of TC/BM. With TC out of the way, McAdoosh was able to implement his GB scheme in full with disastrous results.
They have pro bowl players, one of the most talented receivers and tight ends in the game, a talented defense, and the #2 draft pick.
Yup. No idea why anyone is down on the longterm outlook of this team. We had a shit year, it happens.
- If you like Wilks, you'll point to Mike Tomlin having only been a coordinator for one year or Andy Reid having never been a coordinator. If you dislike him, you'll point to recent history with McAdoo.
- If you like McDaniels, you'll point to his success with New England and claim his prior HC experience as a positive, hoping that he has learned from his mistakes in his first go-round. If you dislike him, you'll note that his prior HC experience is basically a carbon copy of McAdoo's, and the history of Patriots' assistants failing when they leave the nest.
- If you like Patricia, you'll point to his intelligence and strong track record running the defense in New England. If you dislike him, you'll ask how much of the defense is his and how much is Belichick's, as well as the same question as McDaniels about Pats' assistants.
- If you like Shurmur, you'll point to his success as an OC/QB coach in multiple spots with multiple HCs and multiple QBs, and add that he does have HC experience. If you dislike him, you'll point to his weak record in Cleveland as HC and his ties to the WCO being a continuation of the same bad fit schematically that McAdoo was.
There are typically three types of candidates: hot rising coordinators (could end up with Tomlin or McAdoo), long-term coordinators waiting for their chance (could end up with McDermott or Childress), and retreads (could end up with Belichick or Crennel).
The hot rising coordinators come with a ton of risk because of the unknown factor. The retreads tend to be retreads for a reason more often than not: it's not as easy to change one's personality and leadership traits as many assume. The long-term coordinators feel like the safest choice because they haven't failed yet and they have some track record to give you comfort, but often the "safe" choice robs you of the highest possible reward.
Ultimately, IMO, the qualities that lead to a HC are more personality-driven than they are resume-based. I have favored Shurmur based on his track record, but I do believe that the Giants are prioritizing getting the right voice in the room more than X's and O's (that responsibility can be bolstered by the coordinators if the HC is the right leader). We'll see who Gettleman/Mara believe the right candidate is.
They have pro bowl players, one of the most talented receivers and tight ends in the game, a talented defense, and the #2 draft pick.
These are real issues guys. You can downplay them all you want, but you fail to develop Eli's successor or mess up the Eli transition or botch things with the most talented player to play in blue since LT and the next coach could severely damage the organization.
I don't feel the same way about the 2nd pick. Yes, it needs to be good. But I'm more interested in a very solid draft, where there are kids coming in who are ready to go, rather than the "home run." If the Giants have 3-4 solid players for X-years ahead, that's success ... and if they decide to trade down a bit and get another pick or 2, then 4-6 solid players would be the less sexy long-haul stand-up double. And that would be pretty damn good.
If the Gettleman/name the coach hires don't work out we could be looking at a 1964-1980 type dark age. It is imperative that the scouting/player procurement process be remedied immediately, and that the new HC and Staff are home runs, or at least doubles.
I have a pretty good feeling about Gettleman. At least he's decisive. And he has the backing of management.
I'm not talking about lack of roster talent. I'm talking about real challenges that will confront this head coach that are potentially franchise altering. .
You can bet your ass DG will be there "holding his hand" along the way, to make sure those franchise altering decisions that are made, are the correct ones. DG will have input and surely final say.
That's why we're not going to get McDaniels. McDaniels wants more control of those " franchise altering" decisions.
I agree. If it was a new GM who doesn't have the relationship that Gettleman has with Wilks, I would be concerned hiring any first time HC.
I like the moves he's made and what Gettleman has said so far. I'd be fine with Wilks.
Well, if we are going into Superbowl weekend and the Giants still did not make a hire yet... then let the speculation continue.
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I'm not talking about lack of roster talent. I'm talking about real challenges that will confront this head coach that are potentially franchise altering. .
You can bet your ass DG will be there "holding his hand" along the way, to make sure those franchise altering decisions that are made, are the correct ones. DG will have input and surely final say.
That's why we're not going to get McDaniels. McDaniels wants more control of those " franchise altering" decisions.
I think it s exciting
That's what we went through from about 1966-1982. I sure hope they don't go through another 15 years of stinking, because I'm getting old and it's depressing to root for a stinky team, but the Giants and the fans survived then, we'd survive now.
But if they don't get quite a lot of things right - including the new HC and staff, draft well, make good vet FA choices, manage the cap well, etc., plus have better luck with injuries in years ahead - this team could be at the bottom of the league for years to come.
Let's stop with the injury excuse we were 0-4 heading to 0-5 before the injuries started
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Not sure I'm nervous after that. Can't get much worse. If anything I am excited for pieces to be coming back and for what this draft will bring.
Let's stop with the injury excuse we were 0-4 heading to 0-5 before the injuries started
Thank you! Glad somebody else noticed.