Saban is the best possible coach available that we KNOW of. Besides Belichick.
Both are old, yes. But you sign one of them if they have interest.
Would have been very very very interesting coaching matchups in the afc east has the Dolphins gotten Drew Brees (as Saban demanded and requested but team doctors said NO) instead of a past his prime Daunte Cullpeper.
Anyways... age doesn't matter . If we can get a guy like Saban and he's 110% commited you sign him.
Sure maybe Wilks is the next great coach, but equally good chance he's the next Macadoo.
That all being said, Saban to the Giants just won't happen.
A.) Giants would have to pay him $15+ million per year
B.) Saban would have to leave his "Kingdom" and his Mercedes dealership, all his hoes, etc etc
C.) Saban would want FULL and TOTAL control even MORE so the Bill Belichick and basically Gettleman would need to be immediately fired. (Imo Bill would atleast consider working with DG)
That all being said,
You wait, wait , wait for coach Belichick to finish his season.
1. As others have said, there is a big risk that he cuts and runs after a couple of years to return to the college ranks.
2. Its been reported that his wife loves where they live
3. He has been a great college coach where he can recruit the very best players in the nation, how will he be in the NFL where the talent is more evenly distributed and where he will sometimes have to find ways to get more out of less?
It seemed to work for Coughlin for a while. And I'll take the asshole dictator who can coach his ass off over whatever McAdoo was. So yeah, it can work with millionaire pros.
It seemed to work for Coughlin for a while. And I'll take the asshole dictator who can coach his ass off over whatever McAdoo was. So yeah, it can work with millionaire pros.
1. If it worked for Coughlin, why did he need to change before the 2007 season to keep the team?
Saban is the best possible coach available that we KNOW of. Besides Belichick.
Both are old, yes. But you sign one of them if they have interest.
Would have been very very very interesting coaching matchups in the afc east has the Dolphins gotten Drew Brees (as Saban demanded and requested but team doctors said NO) instead of a past his prime Daunte Cullpeper.
Anyways... age doesn't matter . If we can get a guy like Saban and he's 110% commited you sign him.
Sure maybe Wilks is the next great coach, but equally good chance he's the next Macadoo.
That all being said, Saban to the Giants just won't happen.
A.) Giants would have to pay him $15+ million per year
B.) Saban would have to leave his "Kingdom" and his Mercedes dealership, all his hoes, etc etc
C.) Saban would want FULL and TOTAL control even MORE so the Bill Belichick and basically Gettleman would need to be immediately fired. (Imo Bill would atleast consider working with DG)
That all being said,
You wait, wait , wait for coach Belichick to finish his season.
getting $7M+ this year. Not sure where these numbers are coming from. Also there is no buy out. He wanted $10M from the Giants last time if Arnold was correct.
I am pretty sure that Saban does not get up everyday thinking about being the NY Giants next head coach. Makes for interesting entertainment on this board, but something tells me is more interested in his team next year and could care less about a losing program that requires serious rebuild.
... No draft, no salary cap, it's all about creating a stable of 5-star recruits which leads to winning, which leads to more 5-star recruits, etc.
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Yeah like every other fucking team in the college football championship that recruits. You make it seem like the Tide has some type of advantage over the others, not so. They are the same, except he outcoaches and beats those other teams and his previous coordinators. That dude knew going into that game that Kirby Smart was likely going to stop and sell out on the run and he had a plan (Tua). The look on the bulldogs players faces were priceless. They felt helpless when he tossed that first TD pass.
Saban would be a disaster in NY/NJ. He barely tolerates the suck up Alabama media. Can you imagine the after loss press conferences ?
His style works well in small town colleges where he can control everything. He would literally implode publicly if he had to deal with all the "big city" stuff.
Although a friendly interview wouldn't hurt. Sure he has some serious opinions on his players and others.
Why? Tisch and Mara could easily afford to pay Saban whatever he wants. 10-15 mill a year is a drop in the bucket to them. Isn't a great coach worth that? Doesn't effect your salary cap.
... No draft, no salary cap, it's all about creating a stable of 5-star recruits which leads to winning, which leads to more 5-star recruits, etc.
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Yeah like every other fucking team in the college football championship that recruits. You make it seem like the Tide has some type of advantage over the others
They do. He's the advantage. It's almost not arguable how good of a recruiter he is. What other teams in college have five-star guys content to be backups and role players because they know they'll win games and get to the Pros.
... No draft, no salary cap, it's all about creating a stable of 5-star recruits which leads to winning, which leads to more 5-star recruits, etc.
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Yeah like every other fucking team in the college football championship that recruits. You make it seem like the Tide has some type of advantage over the others, not so. They are the same, except he outcoaches and beats those other teams and his previous coordinators. That dude knew going into that game that Kirby Smart was likely going to stop and sell out on the run and he had a plan (Tua). The look on the bulldogs players faces were priceless. They felt helpless when he tossed that first TD pass.
Saban said after the game he talked to the QBs at half time...it was not the plan all along. They were outplayed in the first half and benched their running QB for a passer...Georgia was not prepared. Even with that it went into over time.
Look, I did not say that Saban wasn't a great coach, I called him GOAT..what more do you want? But the game of recruiting breeding success breeding recruiting...if you get on that train, why get off. That model doesn't work in the the NFL...maybe his coach/teaching talent would emerge in the NFL as well, but he'd be a fool to test the idea...
Why? Tisch and Mara could easily afford to pay Saban whatever he wants. 10-15 mill a year is a drop in the bucket to them. Isn't a great coach worth that? Doesn't effect your salary cap.
They may not want to shell out 10-15 million per year if they can have Wilks for a fraction of that money while Gettleman is highly recommending Wilks.
I am not at all convinced that Nick Saban would excel in the NFL. Â
In terms of talent, X's and O's, it's a completely different game. An NFL HC job requires more hours a week, more hours a day, more energy. It's incredibly demanding. Plus, at Alabama, he's got a physically superior team almost every time he takes the field. That won't be true in the NFL.
In terms of quality of life, the Alabama job is far superior. But if Alexander the Great Saban feels there are no worlds left to conquer in NCAA FB, I guess there's the NFL.
Saban would have to have A+ coordinators with recent NFL experience. I don't know who that'd be.
while there are obvious differences between college recruiting and the NFL, at its core, recruiting is all about identifying talent and more specifically talent that fits your schemes.
So Saban's success at recruiting (i.e. locating talent) isn't completely wasted in the NFL. Just think of some of the recent Giants signings (or high draft picks) that failed. I don't know if Saban would've avoided him, but Eli Apple is a good example of a failure in "recruiting".
RE: And I'd love the look on Landon Collins' face.... Â
I don't think he would need that. 12 would probably get it done as it would be a raise and it would be another challenge for him. He's done everything in college.
I also don't think we would have to fire G. He and Saban are cut from the same cloth. He had Dave fucking Ireland in Miami who was pretty much a less successful Jerry Reese.
too expensive, too long out of the pro game. If we're going to throw in for a 66-year-old coaching legend, it should be BB.
Except he has been pretty much been coaching a pro team down in Alabama. With the exception of maybe Rolando McClain, what other Bama players have you heard about being problems at the pro level? He runs a tight ship and plays the brand of football we want the Giants to play. Guys like Apple and Flowers will find themselves on the outside looking in if they try to pull the same shit with Saban that they did this yeatr
Everyone needs to remember that the interview process isn't over until Â
I don't think he would need that. 12 would probably get it done as it would be a raise and it would be another challenge for him. He's done everything in college.
I also don't think we would have to fire G. He and Saban are cut from the same cloth. He had Dave fucking Ireland in Miami who was pretty much a less successful Jerry Reese.
But I guess Wilks "commands the room". Great....
How does news on Saban become a slam against Wilks or anyone else?
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Sign me up. All time great coach. He would turn this team around in season 1.
But I guess Wilks "commands the room". Great...
Saban is the best possible coach available that we KNOW of. Besides Belichick.
Both are old, yes. But you sign one of them if they have interest.
Would have been very very very interesting coaching matchups in the afc east has the Dolphins gotten Drew Brees (as Saban demanded and requested but team doctors said NO) instead of a past his prime Daunte Cullpeper.
Anyways... age doesn't matter . If we can get a guy like Saban and he's 110% commited you sign him.
Sure maybe Wilks is the next great coach, but equally good chance he's the next Macadoo.
That all being said, Saban to the Giants just won't happen.
A.) Giants would have to pay him $15+ million per year
B.) Saban would have to leave his "Kingdom" and his Mercedes dealership, all his hoes, etc etc
C.) Saban would want FULL and TOTAL control even MORE so the Bill Belichick and basically Gettleman would need to be immediately fired. (Imo Bill would atleast consider working with DG)
That all being said,
You wait, wait , wait for coach Belichick to finish his season.
Nobody else will hire Wilks, no rush.
2. Its been reported that his wife loves where they live
3. He has been a great college coach where he can recruit the very best players in the nation, how will he be in the NFL where the talent is more evenly distributed and where he will sometimes have to find ways to get more out of less?
But likely a much better team and set up to continue winning.
If we can't have Bill I want Nick.
What do you think, Eric? Feel like you'd shoot this down if you weren't convinced. But you hit us with the double ellipsis!
I know he failed the first time, but Pete Carrol failed multiple times, and then came back and has done a great job.
Saban is a differnet animal, and this time he's to old to cut lose and just go to another college program.
Doubt that he would. If Nick Saban comes here then Nick Saban is going to be running the show.
If we can't have Bill I want Nick.
Same here and 100% agree.
Does it work with millionaire pros?
Does it work with millionaire pros?
It seemed to work for Coughlin for a while. And I'll take the asshole dictator who can coach his ass off over whatever McAdoo was. So yeah, it can work with millionaire pros.
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That works with (amateur) college kids.
Does it work with millionaire pros?
It seemed to work for Coughlin for a while. And I'll take the asshole dictator who can coach his ass off over whatever McAdoo was. So yeah, it can work with millionaire pros.
1. If it worked for Coughlin, why did he need to change before the 2007 season to keep the team?
2. Did it work for Saban with the Dolphins?
Saban is the best possible coach available that we KNOW of. Besides Belichick.
Both are old, yes. But you sign one of them if they have interest.
Would have been very very very interesting coaching matchups in the afc east has the Dolphins gotten Drew Brees (as Saban demanded and requested but team doctors said NO) instead of a past his prime Daunte Cullpeper.
Anyways... age doesn't matter . If we can get a guy like Saban and he's 110% commited you sign him.
Sure maybe Wilks is the next great coach, but equally good chance he's the next Macadoo.
That all being said, Saban to the Giants just won't happen.
A.) Giants would have to pay him $15+ million per year
B.) Saban would have to leave his "Kingdom" and his Mercedes dealership, all his hoes, etc etc
C.) Saban would want FULL and TOTAL control even MORE so the Bill Belichick and basically Gettleman would need to be immediately fired. (Imo Bill would atleast consider working with DG)
That all being said,
You wait, wait , wait for coach Belichick to finish his season.
Nobody else will hire Wilks, no rush.
Huh?
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Yeah like every other fucking team in the college football championship that recruits. You make it seem like the Tide has some type of advantage over the others, not so. They are the same, except he outcoaches and beats those other teams and his previous coordinators. That dude knew going into that game that Kirby Smart was likely going to stop and sell out on the run and he had a plan (Tua). The look on the bulldogs players faces were priceless. They felt helpless when he tossed that first TD pass.
His style works well in small town colleges where he can control everything. He would literally implode publicly if he had to deal with all the "big city" stuff.
Although a friendly interview wouldn't hurt. Sure he has some serious opinions on his players and others.
Why? Tisch and Mara could easily afford to pay Saban whatever he wants. 10-15 mill a year is a drop in the bucket to them. Isn't a great coach worth that? Doesn't effect your salary cap.
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... No draft, no salary cap, it's all about creating a stable of 5-star recruits which leads to winning, which leads to more 5-star recruits, etc.
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Yeah like every other fucking team in the college football championship that recruits. You make it seem like the Tide has some type of advantage over the others
They do. He's the advantage. It's almost not arguable how good of a recruiter he is. What other teams in college have five-star guys content to be backups and role players because they know they'll win games and get to the Pros.
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... No draft, no salary cap, it's all about creating a stable of 5-star recruits which leads to winning, which leads to more 5-star recruits, etc.
Alabama's advantage in this regard was crystal clear on Monday night.
He may be the GOAT coach and recruiter in college FB, but I am not sure that translates to the NFL. He'd be a fool to leave Alabama.
Yeah like every other fucking team in the college football championship that recruits. You make it seem like the Tide has some type of advantage over the others, not so. They are the same, except he outcoaches and beats those other teams and his previous coordinators. That dude knew going into that game that Kirby Smart was likely going to stop and sell out on the run and he had a plan (Tua). The look on the bulldogs players faces were priceless. They felt helpless when he tossed that first TD pass.
Saban said after the game he talked to the QBs at half time...it was not the plan all along. They were outplayed in the first half and benched their running QB for a passer...Georgia was not prepared. Even with that it went into over time.
Look, I did not say that Saban wasn't a great coach, I called him GOAT..what more do you want? But the game of recruiting breeding success breeding recruiting...if you get on that train, why get off. That model doesn't work in the the NFL...maybe his coach/teaching talent would emerge in the NFL as well, but he'd be a fool to test the idea...
We need proven, championship pedigree. No unproven assistant coaches.
We are a flagship franchise in the number one media and financial market in the world.
GET IT DONE!!
We need proven, championship pedigree. No unproven assistant coaches.
We are a flagship franchise in the number one media and financial market in the world.
GET IT DONE!!
Neither one of them need this job and both of them are in better situations. Nobody's coming to the rescue here.
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but money would be the breaking point, I think.
Why? Tisch and Mara could easily afford to pay Saban whatever he wants. 10-15 mill a year is a drop in the bucket to them. Isn't a great coach worth that? Doesn't effect your salary cap.
They may not want to shell out 10-15 million per year if they can have Wilks for a fraction of that money while Gettleman is highly recommending Wilks.
In terms of quality of life, the Alabama job is far superior. But if Alexander the Great Saban feels there are no worlds left to conquer in NCAA FB, I guess there's the NFL.
Saban would have to have A+ coordinators with recent NFL experience. I don't know who that'd be.
So Saban's success at recruiting (i.e. locating talent) isn't completely wasted in the NFL. Just think of some of the recent Giants signings (or high draft picks) that failed. I don't know if Saban would've avoided him, but Eli Apple is a good example of a failure in "recruiting".
Any idea who Collins' coach was in college?
I don't think he would need that. 12 would probably get it done as it would be a raise and it would be another challenge for him. He's done everything in college.
I also don't think we would have to fire G. He and Saban are cut from the same cloth. He had Dave fucking Ireland in Miami who was pretty much a less successful Jerry Reese.
Except he has been pretty much been coaching a pro team down in Alabama. With the exception of maybe Rolando McClain, what other Bama players have you heard about being problems at the pro level? He runs a tight ship and plays the brand of football we want the Giants to play. Guys like Apple and Flowers will find themselves on the outside looking in if they try to pull the same shit with Saban that they did this yeatr
I love Landon Collins, but those comments were idiotic.
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plus we'd probably need to fire gettleman
I don't think he would need that. 12 would probably get it done as it would be a raise and it would be another challenge for him. He's done everything in college.
I also don't think we would have to fire G. He and Saban are cut from the same cloth. He had Dave fucking Ireland in Miami who was pretty much a less successful Jerry Reese.
who pays the $27 million buy out?
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