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Sy'56 : 1/9/2018 4:13 pm
I was asked to put my pre-Shrine game/Senior Bowl/Combine stacks together, and the strength of this draft is going to be at RB, CB, and DT. A case can be made for all three positions being on the NYG needs list right now, pre FA period of course. The weakness I see is going to be at S, LB, and WR with the other positions being typically average.

Does that mean much? Not really. But when looking at the NYG CB situation, I wouldn't be surprised to see Gettleman use a higher pick than you think on one. Cromartie is almost done, Apple is a wild card with a poor attitude, Jenkins may not be a fit personality wise (I bet he stays though), Cockrell...LOVED him this year but we still don't know what he is.

In addition, Gettleman has ALWAYS been HUGE on a strong defensive line that you put a lot of resources in to in addition to depth. NYG is going to need a fresh DT this year as they don't have anything behind their starters and Harrison is a 60% of the game snaps type player. And we all know the DE have been under-performing for a few years now.

All of this talk about RB, QB, OL...it is warranted, but this draft is wide open and everything is possible and likely at this point.
Thanks Sy'56...  
M.S. : 1/9/2018 4:23 pm : link

...for the insights!

Thanks Sy'56  
Pascal4554 : 1/9/2018 4:27 pm : link
really appreciate your contributions and analysis.
thanks Sy. Am I right that you don't seem overly enthused about using  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2018 4:29 pm : link
the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.

re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.
RE: thanks Sy. Am I right that you don't seem overly enthused about using  
Sy'56 : 1/9/2018 4:31 pm : link
In comment 13780598 Victor in CT said:
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.

re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.


I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.

Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.
Agree Sy  
Rjanyg : 1/9/2018 4:32 pm : link
with the starting DE's hurt and underperforming, and with no depth behind Harrison and Tomlinson I was thinking a DT ( especially and interior pass rush type 3 Tech ) might be a priority. Need to have fresh subs and we know how the injury bug tends to hit us.

Cockrell needs to be re-signed. Apple may need a new address.
Dixon seems a decent depth guy. I agree Jenkins will stay.
Hog mollies  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/9/2018 4:32 pm : link
...will be interesting to see what kind of hog mollies emerge as prospects.
RE: RE: thanks Sy. Am I right that you don't seem overly enthused about using  
Victor in CT : 1/9/2018 4:36 pm : link
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.

re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.



I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.

Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.


Thanks very much.
Agree!  
old man : 1/9/2018 4:42 pm : link
On the CB need.
Apple could turnaround and be a nearer-worthy #9 pick...or mentally explode.
Jackrabbit,like us, is tired of losing and may lose it again if we are 2/3 games under .500 early on...if he's not offered up in trade this offseason(just a feeling).
Getting one at 1 or 2 let's you protect at least in part against:
Both failing,
One failing,
or, optimistically, if all 3, or 4 with Cockrell, play well, let's them move somebody for a '19 pick next offseason.
Fitzpatrick? Won't be but Nice dream at least.
What are your thoughts on...  
bw in dc : 1/9/2018 4:42 pm : link
these corners: Tony Brown/Alabama and Blace Brown/Troy.

TBrown seemed to get better as the season wore on and is a really good special teams player.

I think BBrown is the nephew of Herschel Walker...? I only saw him in the LSU game but he jumped off the screen...
Been watching a lot of tape  
Marty866b : 1/9/2018 4:55 pm : link
lately on the quarterbacks. Let me say as a USC honk,NO ONE throws the ball in this draft like Josh Rosen. He is an elite passer who has great touch and velocity,when needed along with great accuracy. It is too bad that he has concussion issues and has such a slight build.
RE: RE: thanks Sy. Am I right that you don't seem overly enthused about using  
Boy Cord : 1/9/2018 5:00 pm : link
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.

re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.



I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.

Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.


Sy, Josh Allen runs around and slings it like Wentz, and he has actually taken snaps under center, unlike some of the other QBs in this class. Not much surrounding him his senior year. His stock will go up after the combine after he puts on an athletic freak show. Do you see any chance the Giants go after Allen?
I really want them to find a way to trade down  
Motley Two : 1/9/2018 5:17 pm : link
and get extra picks for this year and next year.

They need bodies everywhere. I don't want a QB this year. I'd rather have Eli provide stability at that position while the rest of the roster gets fixed/overhauled. Get this team built, then add your QB of the future. Maybe they even get some good fortune and Webb is ready to be that guy.
Great stuff Sy  
edavisiii : 1/9/2018 5:21 pm : link
...you can never have enough pass rushers and I would love to see the Giants pick up a true"3 technique" tackle and a speed rusher. They might be the missing pieces needed to make this defense move up a notch. 3rd down brought too many blitzes and exposed the secondary and linebackers.
Heard that Clelin Ferrel  
ajr2456 : 1/9/2018 6:02 pm : link
isn't going to declare. Have you heard the same?
Sy  
superspynyg : 1/9/2018 6:14 pm : link
If Rosen goes 1 and we canít trade back who would be your pick as of now?
I thought Tomlinson had a pretty good rookie year and should get  
Ira : 1/9/2018 6:55 pm : link
better. We can use more depth at dt, but don't need a starter. Corner and rb are two need positions. I'm hoping that this is the year that we hit a home run by drafting a top running back.
Third round could be a good time to go CB...  
Milton : 1/9/2018 8:08 pm : link
Duke Dawson, Isaiah Oliver, Josh Jackson, Brandon Facyson, Anthony Averett, and Tony Brown are all currently slotting within range of the 66th pick in the draft.
Carlton Davis could be available at 34  
jeff57 : 1/9/2018 8:34 pm : link
And would be a good CB pickup.
RE: RE: thanks Sy. Am I right that you don't seem overly enthused about using  
djm : 1/9/2018 9:13 pm : link
In comment 13780604 Sy'56 said:
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.

re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.



I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.

Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.


Rosen reminds me of Sam Bradford.
RE: What are your thoughts on...  
Sy'56 : 1/10/2018 7:03 am : link
In comment 13780614 bw in dc said:
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these corners: Tony Brown/Alabama and Blace Brown/Troy.

TBrown seemed to get better as the season wore on and is a really good special teams player.

I think BBrown is the nephew of Herschel Walker...? I only saw him in the LSU game but he jumped off the screen...


Tony Brown is a very good athlete. Just wrote him up actually. Straight speed, elite power and strength. But for a CB, I don't think the quickness, reaction time, and instincts are good enough. I think he can be a package-S...meaning specific situations. Issue is, I have a low grade on him as a tackler, too many misses. I see a special teamer.

Haven't done Brown (Troy) yet
RE: RE: RE: thanks Sy. Am I right that you don't seem overly enthused about using  
Sy'56 : 1/10/2018 7:05 am : link
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the #2 pick on 1 of these QBs? I saw Darnold play in the Cotton Bowl and wasn't impressed. Mayfield is exciting but I'm not sure his game nor his act will translate to the Giants. I haven't seen the others play.

re CB need, it's pretty ironic that Reese traded up in Rd 3 to take Webb and 6 CBs and 2 Ss went after him in that round last year.



I am leaning towards Rosen being the only one I would consider at #2. Darnold just hasn't grown on me since day 1. Mayfield is a guy I like a lot, and he may creep up in to the #2 discussion, but I question some intangible stuff. Is he competitive or is he stubborn and selfish? I can't tell yet, similar to what we have with Beckham.

Rosen's issues are completely around his health. He has a slender frame that has been beat up multiple times in 3 years in addition to 2 concussions this past year. That is really worrisome.



Sy, Josh Allen runs around and slings it like Wentz, and he has actually taken snaps under center, unlike some of the other QBs in this class. Not much surrounding him his senior year. His stock will go up after the combine after he puts on an athletic freak show. Do you see any chance the Giants go after Allen?


I don't think I am ever gonna come around on Allen as a 1st rounder. I can see why some will though.

He isn't near the fluid athlete as Went....nit near his throwing mechanics, not near his swagger.

Allen is closer to Big Ben coming out of Miami (OH) in 2004, but again the accuracy isn't there
RE: Sy  
Sy'56 : 1/10/2018 7:14 am : link
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If Rosen goes 1 and we canít trade back who would be your pick as of now?


No Rosen, no trade down...I'm thinking Barkley but Fitzpatrick (FS) and Williams (OT) are interesting to me.
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GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 7:22 am : link
In comment 13781019 Sy'56 said:
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If Rosen goes 1 and we canít trade back who would be your pick as of now?



No Rosen, no trade down...I'm thinking Barkley but Fitzpatrick (FS) and Williams (OT) are interesting to me.


Taking an OT like Connor Williams at 2 seems pretty high to me especially given his injuries earlier in the year. I would hope we would trade down if we are going OL. Seems like you could get good OL in picks below 5 or 6 by trading down.
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