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sxdxca : 1/9/2018 8:58 pm
For those saying we shouldn't take a qb , consider this.

Trent Dilfer has said that this may be the greatest qb draft class since Marino , Elway , and Kelly.

If we don't take a franchise qb this year , there is no guarantee that next year will produce a top qb in the draft. Every year is different , and if we have a top 5 pick again , and there is no clear cut top qb we are screwed.

Taking a franchise qb high , is kind of like beach front property. If its available you buy it , because you may never get another shot.

I'm happy with either Rosen or Darnold , as long as we get one of them , can't miss this.

Gettleman better not screw this up , or we will be screwed for years. This is not just about next year , we are talking about the next 10-15 years , GET OUR FRANCHISE QB and we won't have to worry about this for 15 years.

Make it happen...

Your thoughts??

Here is the link about Rosen



Rosen to Giants - ( New Window )
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Toth029 : 1/9/2018 9:01 pm : link
Prefers Giants over Browns is what it says.
Greatest class since 1983?  
robbieballs2003 : 1/9/2018 9:03 pm : link
What a slap in the face to Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. You are talking about 3 probable HoFers and how many Super Bowls?
RE: ...  
GFAN52 : 1/9/2018 9:06 pm : link
In comment 13780862 Toth029 said:
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Prefers Giants over Browns is what it says.


That and he's already in the draft, so his threat to stay in school is meaningless now. If the Browns picked him I'm sure he'll end up there.
I am shied away from Rosen's concussion history.  
chopperhatch : 1/9/2018 9:07 pm : link
That is really my only objection. I don't buy into the desire thing. I don't buy into the idea that his folks are rich and he doesnt't care about money.

The injuries bother me, specifically concussions.

Can anybody post a timeline of his concussions/injuries?
RE: Greatest class since 1983?  
larryflower37 : 1/9/2018 9:07 pm : link
In comment 13780863 robbieballs2003 said:
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What a slap in the face to Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. You are talking about 3 probable HoFers and how many Super Bowls?


Trent Dilfer is an idiot.
All hyperbole.
Dave wants  
David B. : 1/9/2018 9:08 pm : link
Rosen to play for the Giants.
Darnold a TO machine and Rosen an unlikable China doll.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 1/9/2018 9:08 pm : link
I don't want to be in QB hell either but picking one of these guys doesn't guarantee a pass either. Just saying. My money is a trade down for Mayfield and an ol. Best of both worlds.
Darnold a TO machine and Rosen an unlikable China doll.  
Jint Fan in Buc Land : 1/9/2018 9:09 pm : link
I don't want to be in QB hell either but picking one of these guys doesn't guarantee a pass. Just saying. My money is a trade down for Mayfield and an ol. Best of both worlds.
I hope QB hell doesn't become this new catch phrase like heavy handed  
robbieballs2003 : 1/9/2018 9:12 pm : link
or the Reese one (not blue chip but something like that). And can we quote exactly what Gettleman said. He never said passing on a QB. He said drafting a QB and missing on that pick. Everybody seems to leave that part out.
I just watched Rosen and Darnolds highlight reels  
bradshaw44 : 1/9/2018 9:13 pm : link
And to me Darnold looked better. His throws seemed more crisp and accurate, while Rosen seemed to have a lot of lucky jump balls that ended up being caught. Kind of odd of them to use those plays for his highlight reel.
RE: Greatest class since 1983?  
Vanzetti : 1/9/2018 9:15 pm : link
In comment 13780863 robbieballs2003 said:
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What a slap in the face to Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. You are talking about 3 probable HoFers and how many Super Bowls?


I think Dilfer is right but we won’t know until 15 years from now.
Here  
robbieballs2003 : 1/9/2018 9:15 pm : link
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Q: On your head-coach priority list, how important is the ability to develop a young quarterback?


A: It’s really important. You draft a quarterback high, and you’re wrong? It sets you back, because then what happens, there are teams that I call, they’re in quarterback hell. They got solid defense, they’ve got a pretty good offensive line, they got some skill players. They … just … can’t … find the trigger guy. And what happens is they go 7-9, 8-8, 9-7, and they never get high enough to get a real guy, and they’re afraid to trade up and trade the farm to get a guy because they’re [No.] 18, 19, 20 draft position. I call that quarterback hell.
RE: Darnold a TO machine and Rosen an unlikable China doll.  
DonQuixote : 1/9/2018 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13780870 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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I don't want to be in QB hell either but picking one of these guys doesn't guarantee a pass either. Just saying. My money is a trade down for Mayfield and an ol. Best of both worlds.


What a bunch of Debbie Downers on this site. Those guys and Josh Allen are great QB prospects. Nothing is guaranteed but jeez...
RE: I just watched Rosen and Darnolds highlight reels  
sxdxca : 1/9/2018 9:22 pm : link
In comment 13780878 bradshaw44 said:
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And to me Darnold looked better. His throws seemed more crisp and accurate, while Rosen seemed to have a lot of lucky jump balls that ended up being caught. Kind of odd of them to use those plays for his highlight reel.


I think Darnold is better too , but If Cleveland won't trade out of the #1 pick to us , then I'm happy with Rosen , he's gonna be good too. Just got to get at least one of them
RE: Darnold a TO machine and Rosen an unlikable China doll.  
Simms11 : 1/9/2018 9:25 pm : link
In comment 13780870 Jint Fan in Buc Land said:
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I don't want to be in QB hell either but picking one of these guys doesn't guarantee a pass either. Just saying. My money is a trade down for Mayfield and an ol. Best of both worlds.


How is Rosen unlikeable? Haven’t heard that one, but he tends to speak his mind. Jim Mora indicated that, but he thought it was a good thing. The biggest knock on Rosen will be medicals and if he makes teams comfortable with that I think he’ll be the first QB drafted.
What about...  
Blue Angel : 1/9/2018 9:25 pm : link
Webb?
RE: RE: I just watched Rosen and Darnolds highlight reels  
bradshaw44 : 1/9/2018 9:26 pm : link
In comment 13780888 sxdxca said:
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In comment 13780878 bradshaw44 said:


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And to me Darnold looked better. His throws seemed more crisp and accurate, while Rosen seemed to have a lot of lucky jump balls that ended up being caught. Kind of odd of them to use those plays for his highlight reel.



I think Darnold is better too , but If Cleveland won't trade out of the #1 pick to us , then I'm happy with Rosen , he's gonna be good too. Just got to get at least one of them


They both look like they could be legit but Rosen is oft injured. Maybe Allen should be considered over Rosen.
I totally agree.  
redwhiteandbigblue : 1/9/2018 9:28 pm : link
Hey everyone is entitled to their opinion but cmon, this is far and away the best draft for "Potential" franchise QB's since at least 2004. Revisionist history is great but when you looked at the draft BEFORE these QB's actually played a down in the NFL, I cannot remember a better looking QB class. This business of picking out these flaws are flaws ALL of these QB's had in college.

If we don't take a QB iat #2 we are brain dead. Barkley,? Are you f'n kidding me? So we will have past his prime Eli for 1-2 years, no OL to block for Barkley and in 2 years we will be back to the Dave Brown,Kent Graham/Danny Kanell scenario. Wonderful. QB at #2 or bust! Sorry for the rant.
Just  
AcidTest : 1/9/2018 9:37 pm : link
because there are lots of QBs available, doesn't mean that any are worth the #2 pick.
Rosen and Barkley  
redwhiteandbigblue : 1/9/2018 9:39 pm : link
both worthy of #2.
Hmm  
djstat : 1/9/2018 9:44 pm : link
Sorry but Andrew Luck and RG-Knee has way more potential and way more hype in 2012. Didn’t work out well so far for either. Potential means 0
I think that Rosen is the most accurate passer in the draft.  
yatqb : 1/9/2018 9:50 pm : link
He's also got a strong arm. I don't know how well he goes through his progressions, but if he's good at reading defenses, I feel we'd be lucky to land him.

He and OBJ would sure increase our scoring.
Rosen might fuck himself out of a few million saying this  
est1986 : 1/9/2018 9:52 pm : link
If the Giants prefer Darnold or another QB over Rosen, Rosen should keep his preferences to himself because he may slide and be something even worse than a Brown.. a Jet.
Serby has an obsession for the Giants to draft Rosen too  
jnoble : 1/9/2018 9:56 pm : link
Its all he's going to talk about in his columns from now till the draft
He's going to have to pass  
old man : 1/9/2018 10:10 pm : link
a lot of personality tests to 'sell' Mara on him. He may well be the anti-Eli, seems opinionated, and can not let criticism phase his interviews a la Eli Apple and embarrass the organization.
If he is our get,he will have to sit '18 because his medicals mean we definitely need 2 offseasons to get an OL of hog mollies and build a credible run game to leave D's guessing and not blitz on 2nd and 9-13 and expose him to more hits.
Even if available and passes the Mara test I still don't see Giants taking him.
I hope 2 QBs jump out at the Game and Combine:Mayfield and Darnold(though the later not likely).
the Jets have been looking fora franchise QB  
spike : 1/9/2018 10:14 pm : link
since Joe Namath.


Ken O'Brien was good but no franchise QB
Let's talk this kid from Alabama into coming out  
Jeever : 1/9/2018 10:28 pm : link
He looked great.
'Darnold a TO machine and Rosen an unlikable China doll'...  
Torrag : 1/9/2018 10:40 pm : link
...literally the shallowest, most useless post of the new year to date.
RE: the Jets have been looking fora franchise QB  
chopperhatch : 1/10/2018 12:16 am : link
In comment 13780928 spike said:
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since Joe Namath.


Ken O'Brien was good but no franchise QB


There's a fairly long list of teams who have been trying to do that and haven't gotten one in a WHILE:

Vikings
Lions (Guess they consider Stafford a franchise QB...doesnt show up in wins)
Browns
Bengals (Dalton is not)
Redskins (not since Theisman)
Bears (never?)
Buccaneers (No, I don't think Winston is a franchise back...put him a step below Stafford)


Undecided (promising season, but the others weren't great or injuries):

Tennessee
Raiders
Texans
Rams
Neither of these QB's compare...  
Zepp : 1/10/2018 5:03 am : link
Not the top QB's anyway. Compared to 83 class? What an insult. Browns are probably going Darnold. If he's gone I don't want the Giants taking a concussion prone millenial attitude QB in Rosen. He's gonna be a disaster.

Best bet you either trade down or my wet dream is to draft Barkley. You DO NOT FORCE THE QB PICK JUST BECAUSE YOU'RE DRAFING IN THE TOP TWO!!!!!!! You take BPA available and if its not Darnold then its Barkley. End of sentence.

Rosen will be a disaster and will set this franchise back years.
RE: Let's talk this kid from Alabama into coming out  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/10/2018 5:49 am : link
In comment 13780933 Jeever said:
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He looked great.

You mean the true freshman that isn't eligible until the 2020 draft? Solid plan.
Jint fan  
XBRONX : 1/10/2018 6:01 am : link
Darnold a turnover machine? Tell us his TD to INT rate in the red zone. Waiting for an answer
Zepp  
Modus Operandi : 1/10/2018 6:13 am : link
A period denotes an end of a sentence. You don't actually have to type out "end of sentence."

You're welcome.
I can’t  
afann : 1/10/2018 6:31 am : link
find it but has anyone seen the video when Rosen was a senior at Dilfer’s QB camp? It was when Rosen was a high school senior. Anyway Dilfer was trying to coach him and run drills. Rosen would not run the drills the way Dilfer had asked. Dilfer at the time was not happy with Rosen. Rosen appeared uncoachable. Now that could have changed but if Rosen still has that attitude no way do I want the Giants to draft him
Eli ,  
Beer Man : 1/10/2018 6:34 am : link
Ben and Rivers turned out to be a very good QB draft class as well
I'm just wondering why your ellipsis is so long.  
Brown Recluse : 1/10/2018 6:55 am : link
Is that even a real thing? I don't understand why you chose to 13 dots instead of just 3?
RE: I can’t  
Milton : 1/10/2018 7:02 am : link
In comment 13781001 afann said:
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find it but has anyone seen the video when Rosen was a senior at Dilfer’s QB camp? It was when Rosen was a high school senior.
Not what you were asking about, but here's an interview from when he was in high school describing the thought process behind a 60-yard TD pass he threw.

And here's highlights from his senior year in high school.
Only one of  
Biteymax22 : 1/10/2018 7:52 am : link
Marino, Kelly and Elway actually won a Superbowl, meaning having a star QB is no indication you will win the big one, though I concede it is a very important piece.

On the flip side Trent Dilfer, who was a bottom tier QB his whole career, did win one proving there are other formulas to winning a Superbowl. If the Giants think Webb can be a average to above average starter than I am okay passing on Rosen and building the team another way.

However, I would not pass on Rosen just because we think Eli has 2 more years. I would only do it if I legit think Webb can be a starter.
Common sense please  
BlueinRoch : 1/10/2018 8:38 am : link
Yeah, let's draft a QB with a history of concussions and let him play behind at best a revamped O-Line and with an unproven backfield. It starts with the beef up front because they can make a QB and RB better. I for one hope we trade back, get some O-Line studs and pick up a QB later to compete with Webb for the back-up job. We can compete for the next couple years with Eli and our receivers behind a better line.
RE: Greatest class since 1983?  
njm : 1/10/2018 8:48 am : link
In comment 13780863 robbieballs2003 said:
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What a slap in the face to Eli, Big Ben, and Rivers. You are talking about 3 probable HoFers and how many Super Bowls?


Poorly said by Dilfer. It may be the DEEPEST QB class since 1983, but not the greatest.
RE: RE: the Jets have been looking fora franchise QB  
BronxBombers : 1/10/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13780973 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13780928 spike said:


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since Joe Namath.


Ken O'Brien was good but no franchise QB



There's a fairly long list of teams who have been trying to do that and haven't gotten one in a WHILE:

Vikings
Lions (Guess they consider Stafford a franchise QB...doesnt show up in wins)
Browns
Bengals (Dalton is not)
Redskins (not since Theisman)
Bears (never?)
Buccaneers (No, I don't think Winston is a franchise back...put him a step below Stafford)


Undecided (promising season, but the others weren't great or injuries):

Tennessee
Raiders
Texans
Rams


if you think stafford is not a franchise qb, your smoking the good stuff...not to mention: winston, mariota, goff, and carr are well on their way...it would be a miracle if we got a qb as good as any of these guys...clown.
RE: RE: RE: the Jets have been looking fora franchise QB  
Elisthebest : 1/10/2018 9:05 am : link
In comment 13781111 BronxBombers said:
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In comment 13780973 chopperhatch said:


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In comment 13780928 spike said:


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since Joe Namath.


Ken O'Brien was good but no franchise QB



There's a fairly long list of teams who have been trying to do that and haven't gotten one in a WHILE:

Vikings
Lions (Guess they consider Stafford a franchise QB...doesnt show up in wins)
Browns
Bengals (Dalton is not)
Redskins (not since Theisman)
Bears (never?)
Buccaneers (No, I don't think Winston is a franchise back...put him a step below Stafford)


Undecided (promising season, but the others weren't great or injuries):

Tennessee
Raiders
Texans
Rams



if you think stafford is not a franchise qb, your smoking the good stuff...not to mention: winston, mariota, goff, and carr are well on their way...it would be a miracle if we got a qb as good as any of these guys...clown.


Big difference between "franchise QB" and "winning franchise QB" I'm hoping GMen next QB doesn't fall into the first one.
It's not often I see ...  
BronxBob : 1/10/2018 1:04 pm : link
... a comment that's so patently silly no one even bothers to ridicule it.
'Franchise QB' = Decade of Top-5 ranked play...  
x meadowlander : 1/10/2018 1:18 pm : link
Right? Franchise QB doesn't mean Superbowl, and average QB doesn't mean no Superbowl. Trent Dilfer is exhibit A.

What we're talking about isn't Superbowls, playoffs, or wins. Dan Marino is a perfect example.

Franchise QB simply means an excellent QB you can build a team around, and yes, Matt Stafford and Winston both more than meet that criteria.
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