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Why not take Fitzpatrick at 2? Best player in the draft

NYGmen58 : 1/10/2018 8:26 am
Shutdown corner, captain of the National Championship team, the size and measureables that make NFL teams blush. Hes also a local kid from Jersey City who would love to play for the Giants. Hes a plug and play Pro Bowl talent with every intangible.

Fitzpatrick reminds me of Patrick Peterson and Jalen Ramsey, who happen to be the best to CBs in the NFL and were also top 5 picks.

Not only is he the BPA but he also fills a void at CB given the disaster situation with Eli Crapple.

Perfect scenario to trade down a bit.  
Beezer : 1/10/2018 8:28 am : link
Try to get him down the line and maybe pick up a pick or two?
"Eli Crapple"  
Brown Recluse : 1/10/2018 8:31 am : link
Sort of diminishes your main point.
NOrmally I would agree  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 8:32 am : link
on a guy like this but honestly the reasons not to do that match the reasons not to take a QB. Our deficiencies elsewhere would actually minimize the impact they could make. NO pass rush and shitty LB'ers will make even the best secondary look ordinary. A HOF QB with no Oline and nothing much of a running game will have very little real impact on the team..

Only makes sense if we do stuff in FA at other positions to make this work.
Let me rephrase  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 8:33 am : link
a HOF talent at QB (obviously I didn't mean he would be a HOF QB but have no impact).
If QB wasn't the way to go, Saquon Barkley should be the pick  
EmpireWF : 1/10/2018 8:35 am : link
Havent had a runningback like him in forever.
Because we need a QB for the next 15 years...duh  
Torrag : 1/10/2018 8:49 am : link
unbelievable.
Fitz is a great player....  
bw in dc : 1/10/2018 8:52 am : link
But we need a young, franchise QB more.
He's an NFL FS, not a CB  
njm : 1/10/2018 8:55 am : link
It's a BPA vs. position of need dilemma. He and Collins would be the best safety tandem in the NFL, but the crying need is on the OL.
Because he's not as valuable as a QB  
jeff57 : 1/10/2018 8:55 am : link
And I don't consider him the second best player even taking out the QBs. Chubb and Nelson would be my top 2.
If you trade down you grab  
Earl the goat : 1/10/2018 8:58 am : link
Quentin Nelson
RE: Because we need a QB for the next 15 years...duh  
Eman11 : 1/10/2018 8:58 am : link
In comment 13781093 Torrag said:
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unbelievable.


That doesn't mean one of the guys in this draft is the answer to that.

What if Webb is the guy? What if they trade back with Denver get some 2's and 3's along with next year's #1 and use the two #1's next year to make a move on a QB similar to what the Eagles did for Wentz?

Maybe they're good with Eli for this year, give Webb another year to develop, or see a guy or two next year they think is better than Darnold/Rosen?
Don't think he's from JC  
Elisthebest : 1/10/2018 9:07 am : link
went to school there but from Old Bridge, no?
Fitz  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2018 9:22 am : link
is awesome...not sure at 2 though. If we traded back to the 7-12 range and got a bunch of picks, he would be a great spot there.
Not sure he's a pure CB in the NFL  
JonC : 1/10/2018 9:23 am : link
and if he's not, I don't see them devoting a #2 overall contract to a combo DB when they'll have to ante up for Collins (and OB) very soon thereafter.
any chance that  
Elisthebest : 1/10/2018 9:26 am : link
5-6 years down the road he and Collins could be excellent Outside LBs?
No  
JonC : 1/10/2018 9:29 am : link
Not even Collins is physically built for LB full-time, Fitzpatrick is not even close.
He would be a great CB but his best  
8 Ball : 1/10/2018 9:29 am : link
position will be FS where a team can get the benefit of his field general and ballhawking abilities.
RE: He would be a great CB but his best  
Section331 : 1/10/2018 10:01 am : link
In comment 13781177 8 Ball said:
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position will be FS where a team can get the benefit of his field general and ballhawking abilities.


I felt the same way about Jalen Ramsey, but he has been an outstanding CB for Jax. CB is a much more valuable position than FS, so if Fitz is a good corner, he should stay there.
Barkley if not a QB  
Glover : 1/10/2018 10:15 am : link
and I dont like Rosen. Missing on a QB with the #2 pick could set the Giants back for a long time. I'm all about trading back, way back, and stocking up on young Hog-Mollies.
I want the Giants to trade with the Bills to do that. Where they would end up with 2 first rounders this year, 2 first rounders next year, 2 seconds this year, and 2 next year, and who knows what else.
I dont believe in the QB hell theory. QBs can be had in the late first, second, 4th, even undrafted free agents. No guarantee on Rosen or Darnold, these aren't Andrew Luck type prospects, and he hasn't been all that.
HOG MOLLIES!!!
RE: any chance that  
arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 10:18 am : link
In comment 13781170 Elisthebest said:
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5-6 years down the road he and Collins could be excellent Outside LBs?


Fitzpatrick is way too undersized to play OLB..

That said, I wouldn't worry about whether he's a FS or a DB. People thought Ramsey would be a safety at the NFL level and he wound up being an elite CB.

Wherever Fitzpatrick plays, he will do it at an extremely high level and bring a true leadership personality along with him.
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arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 10:18 am : link
*FS or CB
RE: Barkley if not a QB  
njm : 1/10/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13781285 Glover said:
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these aren't Andrew Luck type prospects, and he hasn't been all that.


Luck hasn't been all that primarily because he got stuck behind a piss poor OL. And looking at the Giants, guess what.
It won't happen  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/10/2018 10:25 am : link
but if by some strange twist of fate trade-down scenario they end up with Fitzpatrick they will have one of the best players in the draft imo.

He'd be a great piece on our team  
allstarjim : 1/10/2018 11:01 am : link
But I'd rather Barkley for non-QB. No other non-QB will have as big an impact on the team, on the W-L column, as Barkley. Being able to control the ball with the run game helps the QB, the scoreboard, and helps the defense.

We need play-makers on this team more than play-preventers. Barkley would energize this team from the RB position in a way we have not seen since Tiki Barber. Tiki Barber won games almost by himself with his playmaking ability. Name a corner that has done that in the NFL...ever? You may come up with a name or two, but I can give you a long list of RBs.
RE: Don't think he's from JC  
GF1080 : 1/10/2018 11:02 am : link
In comment 13781131 Elisthebest said:
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went to school there but from Old Bridge, no?


Yes he is from Old Bridge and bussed up to high school every day.
RE: Barkley if not a QB  
Section331 : 1/10/2018 11:12 am : link
In comment 13781285 Glover said:
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I dont believe in the QB hell theory. QBs can be had in the late first, second, 4th, even undrafted free agents. No guarantee on Rosen or Darnold, these aren't Andrew Luck type prospects, and he hasn't been all that.
HOG MOLLIES!!!


Andrew Luck hasn't been all that? He had one down year, 2015, when he was hurt for much of the year. His other 4 seasons - over 17,000 yards, 117 TD's to 56 INT's, 62% completion, 7.5 YPA. If we could draft a QB who could get those numbers, sign me up!

I'm not sure what the "QB hell" theory is, but if you don't believe that QB is, by far, the most important position on the field, and that your odds are much better taking a QB at the top of the draft, then I don't know what sport you've been watching.

The idea that you can just get a franchise QB as an UFA is absurd. You are FAR more likely to get a "hog mollie" as an UFA than a QB.
Because  
Mr. Nickels : 1/10/2018 11:22 am : link
Jerry Reach is no longer our GM.
Why nawt?  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/10/2018 11:43 am : link
Because he's nawt a Hawg Mawlie. That's why nawt!
RE: Because  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/10/2018 11:51 am : link
In comment 13781418 Mr. Nickels said:
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Jerry Reach is no longer our GM.


Holy shit, what an insightful post. Did you come up with this gem all by yourself?
If they don't like the QBs  
Kyle in NY : 1/10/2018 11:53 am : link
I'd be on board with this. With a potential trade down, even better. Would represent a nice combination of BPA and a need pick.
RE: Not sure he's a pure CB in the NFL  
bw in dc : 1/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
In comment 13781166 JonC said:
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and if he's not, I don't see them devoting a #2 overall contract to a combo DB when they'll have to ante up for Collins (and OB) very soon thereafter.


I think he is a pure corner. In the semi final game against Clemson, Saban assigned Fitz on Hunter Renfro. Except for 3 catches Renfro made on Clemson's last drive, which was meaningless, Fitz basically pitched a shutout against one of the best slot receivers in college football...
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arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 12:07 pm : link
Fitzpatrick is also a tremendous blitzer, FWIW.

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christian : 1/10/2018 12:09 pm : link
I would love it in a minor trade down.

Creating a dominant unit makes coaching and matchups orders of magnitude easier.
Its hard to say he will be the BPA  
cjac : 1/10/2018 12:21 pm : link
at #2. we have no idea what the Giants draft board is going to look like
Dee Milliner  
teso56 : 1/10/2018 1:26 pm : link
I'm not saying Fitzpatrick is Dee Milliner or comparing the two - however Dee Milliner was also a cant miss shutdown corner coming out of Alabama and it is clear after the fact that he excelled because of his situation and strategy.


Something to consider
RE: Dee Milliner  
Eman11 : 1/10/2018 1:40 pm : link
In comment 13781651 teso56 said:
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I'm not saying Fitzpatrick is Dee Milliner or comparing the two - however Dee Milliner was also a cant miss shutdown corner coming out of Alabama and it is clear after the fact that he excelled because of his situation and strategy.


Something to consider


Sure sounds to me like you're comparing them.

Fitzpatrick is far different than Millner in that he can play CB or either safety position and his best position seems to be FS.

Picking him at 2 is too high but if they traded back to 5, I wouldn't have a problem at all with him being the pick. Team him with LC and we'd have the best Safety tandem in the league, and add him to Jackrabbit and DRC, and we just might have the best secondary too. Or at least one of the best, and no doubt a dominant back unit.
RE: Dee Milliner  
arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 2:00 pm : link
In comment 13781651 teso56 said:
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I'm not saying Fitzpatrick is Dee Milliner or comparing the two - however Dee Milliner was also a cant miss shutdown corner coming out of Alabama and it is clear after the fact that he excelled because of his situation and strategy.


Something to consider


Much different prospects.
RE: RE: Not sure he's a pure CB in the NFL  
JonC : 1/10/2018 2:09 pm : link
In comment 13781497 bw in dc said:
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In comment 13781166 JonC said:


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and if he's not, I don't see them devoting a #2 overall contract to a combo DB when they'll have to ante up for Collins (and OB) very soon thereafter.



I think he is a pure corner. In the semi final game against Clemson, Saban assigned Fitz on Hunter Renfro. Except for 3 catches Renfro made on Clemson's last drive, which was meaningless, Fitz basically pitched a shutout against one of the best slot receivers in college football...


Could be, time will tell as scouting season ramps up. I'd be disappointed if a QB or LT didn't warrant selection.
RE: Dee Milliner  
bw in dc : 1/10/2018 2:11 pm : link
In comment 13781651 teso56 said:
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I'm not saying Fitzpatrick is Dee Milliner or comparing the two - however Dee Milliner was also a cant miss shutdown corner coming out of Alabama and it is clear after the fact that he excelled because of his situation and strategy.


Something to consider


DM got off to a rocky start with the Jets but started to show some real good ability. But then he suffered an injury. And then he suffered a wrath of injuries...So it's a mixed bag...
Why not take Sean Taylor at 4?  
David B. : 1/10/2018 3:06 pm : link
Instead of Phillip Rivers? Even had he lived.

That's why.
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