I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.
Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
like the NY Daily News is circling its wagons around Patricia being the person. They've now got multiple stories from multiple authors all saying Patricia is the guy, but with no actual sources around it.
If they're right, they can crow about how they called it. If not, they can treat it like Patricia was the guy until the person they named blew the team away in interviews and surprised everybody.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
a genius and rocket scientist but what does he know about running a pro football team in NY? HC is a CEO not so much X’s and O’s. He’s worked within the confines of the perfect little world Bill created up in Foxborough.
If hired, he’s about to find out how difficult it is to create & maintain that atmosphere yourself.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Charlie Weis was a far more spectacular flop. He'll never coach anything valuable again. People still want McDaniels.
Saban and Ferentz are successful Belichick assistants. I'm sure you meant at the NFL level specifically but he does deserve that bit of credit.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
maybe. story could be BS too. Leonard isn't exactly a scoop maven.
Whatever they do, let's hope they get it right. Otherwise we'll be having this dicussion again in 2 or 3 years.
I'm not against this selection, if in fact true. Â
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
Team itself can't name anyone, but such things are known to leak almost immediately with 'verbal agreements' and such.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
I feel the same way. Maybe the fact he's never been a HC leaves one feeling uncomfortable, especially after the McAdoo disaster - but other than that...there's really no reason to be so emphatically against him being hired. No one on this board knows enough about him.
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
I like the idea that the Giants head coach might have Â
About this. Don't think it's a coincidence that both Peter King & Leonard are talking about Patricia a few hours apart after not really hearing much about him for the last week.
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Its actually been well documented as to what Patricia does to prepare his team. Seems to me you are just using the typical "its only due to the success of BB" to not want a guy. And that's fine, but I don't think every case is the same and there's a lot out there to dispel some of your reservations.
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
Could the Giants front office be leaking this... Â
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
How does that tell you anything when he's not permitted to speak to the media? Could be true, could be meaningless.
talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
Nothing in this article suggests Patricia is a favorite here. Â
and is stemming from a bad hire in McAdoo. That doesn't mean you do a total 180. You just do a better job of hiring the next guy and schemes, preparedness, X's and O's, etc are all a piece of the puzzle. I don't think that will be glossed over in these interviews.
These Patricia leaks make me think the organization Â
talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
even a stopped watch is right twice a day. I hope this isn't one of the two times.
then Patricia moves to DC for Giants
I read it the exact same way.
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
If they're right, they can crow about how they called it. If not, they can treat it like Patricia was the guy until the person they named blew the team away in interviews and surprised everybody.
I am ok with this hire. The staff he brings in will be interesting (if he is indeed the coach).
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
If hired, he’s about to find out how difficult it is to create & maintain that atmosphere yourself.
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Charlie Weis was a far more spectacular flop. He'll never coach anything valuable again. People still want McDaniels.
Saban and Ferentz are successful Belichick assistants. I'm sure you meant at the NFL level specifically but he does deserve that bit of credit.
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.
Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
maybe. story could be BS too. Leonard isn't exactly a scoop maven.
Whatever they do, let's hope they get it right. Otherwise we'll be having this dicussion again in 2 or 3 years.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.
I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.
If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
Team itself can't name anyone, but such things are known to leak almost immediately with 'verbal agreements' and such.
I feel the same way. Maybe the fact he's never been a HC leaves one feeling uncomfortable, especially after the McAdoo disaster - but other than that...there's really no reason to be so emphatically against him being hired. No one on this board knows enough about him.
Same, regarding Patricia. But ... click-bait? NYG connections? Giantrs had good defenses, so ... Patricia?
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
Its actually been well documented as to what Patricia does to prepare his team. Seems to me you are just using the typical "its only due to the success of BB" to not want a guy. And that's fine, but I don't think every case is the same and there's a lot out there to dispel some of your reservations.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
Why else would the front office leak info about how strong each candidate is?
And if they aren't leaking info, why else would the NYDN report this stuff? Are they just looking for page views?
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That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
How does that tell you anything when he's not permitted to speak to the media? Could be true, could be meaningless.
Since we can’t get a feel for that characteristic without being there, I still think Shurmur checks all the other boxes and fits best.
Leonard quoted "the feeling" as his source. FWIW
He saw the signs. And it opened up his eyes.
And the sign says "long hair freaky people need not apply"
So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why
He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do
So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you"
No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
This.