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NYDN: Sounds like Patricia will be the next HC of the Giants

BeckShepEli : 1/10/2018 8:57 am
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Maybe Gary Myers was right....  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2018 9:00 am : link
This is an interesting turn if what Pat is saying is true. I figured all along that Patricia was in the middle of the pack, but who knows.
RE: Maybe Gary Myers was right....  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 9:01 am : link
In comment 13781110 ryanmkeane said:
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This is an interesting turn if what Pat is saying is true. I figured all along that Patricia was in the middle of the pack, but who knows.


even a stopped watch is right twice a day. I hope this isn't one of the two times.
Based on what, his hunch  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2018 9:01 am : link
...?
Victor  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2018 9:02 am : link
I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?
Cool.  
Ryan in Albany : 1/10/2018 9:03 am : link
An RPI guy. I'm down.
Not much in that aritcle  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/10/2018 9:03 am : link
If Patricia is who they want, I'm all aboard. Seems like a smart guy and must have commanded the room in the interview and proven he can do so.
Did  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2018 9:03 am : link
I miss the part in the article that said why?
maybe  
giantfan2000 : 1/10/2018 9:04 am : link
he is placeholder HC until Bill leaves Pats
then Patricia moves to DC for Giants
RE: Did  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/10/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 13781120 Eric from BBI said:
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I miss the part in the article that said why?


I read it the exact same way.
RE: Victor  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 9:04 am : link
In comment 13781115 ryanmkeane said:
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?


Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.
I'm  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/10/2018 9:06 am : link
not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.
RE: I'm  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 9:08 am : link
In comment 13781127 Eric from BBI said:
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not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.


Perhaps Wilks chose not to pursue Giants job further. Arizona has a much better D and superstar RB, good WR's.. They just need a VET QB (Alex Smith?) to come and be good....
This seems to me  
an_idol_mind : 1/10/2018 9:09 am : link
like the NY Daily News is circling its wagons around Patricia being the person. They've now got multiple stories from multiple authors all saying Patricia is the guy, but with no actual sources around it.

If they're right, they can crow about how they called it. If not, they can treat it like Patricia was the guy until the person they named blew the team away in interviews and surprised everybody.
RE: I'm  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 9:10 am : link
In comment 13781127 Eric from BBI said:
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not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.


I am ok with this hire. The staff he brings in will be interesting (if he is indeed the coach).
RE: RE: Victor  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2018 9:11 am : link
In comment 13781124 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13781115 ryanmkeane said:


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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?



Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.

Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.

Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.
He may well be  
Powerclean765 : 1/10/2018 9:12 am : link
a genius and rocket scientist but what does he know about running a pro football team in NY? HC is a CEO not so much X’s and O’s. He’s worked within the confines of the perfect little world Bill created up in Foxborough.

If hired, he’s about to find out how difficult it is to create & maintain that atmosphere yourself.
jvm  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2018 9:12 am : link
other than weather, I'm not sure how anyone would choose the Cardinals over the Giants if they had their pick.
RE: RE: Victor  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/10/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13781124 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13781115 ryanmkeane said:


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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?



Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.


Charlie Weis was a far more spectacular flop. He'll never coach anything valuable again. People still want McDaniels.

Saban and Ferentz are successful Belichick assistants. I'm sure you meant at the NFL level specifically but he does deserve that bit of credit.
RE: RE: RE: Victor  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 9:13 am : link
In comment 13781138 ryanmkeane said:
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In comment 13781124 Victor in CT said:


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In comment 13781115 ryanmkeane said:


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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?



Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.


Valid points. I'm thinking he may have blown them away in the interview process. That, coupled with his experience working with Belichick in terms of preparation and defense could be a big factor.

Perhaps they view him as a great X's and O's coach who comes from the Belichick coaching tree who has the demeanor to handle NY.


maybe. story could be BS too. Leonard isn't exactly a scoop maven.

Whatever they do, let's hope they get it right. Otherwise we'll be having this dicussion again in 2 or 3 years.
I'm not against this selection, if in fact true.  
RottenApple : 1/10/2018 9:14 am : link
But, what makes him so special? His defenses were ranked terribly under his supervision.
Pick a name  
section125 : 1/10/2018 9:17 am : link
and swear to it.

I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.

I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.

If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.
wow Pat  
uncledave : 1/10/2018 9:18 am : link
took the thread title straight from BBI...
RE: Pick a name  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/10/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13781145 section125 said:
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and swear to it.

I suspect by week's end or early next week they will have a name.

I don't believe they can name a person still under contract until that person's team has ended their season.

If nobody is named soon, I would then suspect a Patriot's assistant, especially if Detroit and Indy name a HC that isn't a Patriot's assistant. Meaning if Det names Wilks and Indy names Shurmur (or some combo) that only leaves a Patriot's assistant for the Giants.


Team itself can't name anyone, but such things are known to leak almost immediately with 'verbal agreements' and such.
RE: Victor  
Brown Recluse : 1/10/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13781115 ryanmkeane said:
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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?


I feel the same way. Maybe the fact he's never been a HC leaves one feeling uncomfortable, especially after the McAdoo disaster - but other than that...there's really no reason to be so emphatically against him being hired. No one on this board knows enough about him.
if true....I do like Dabol from Alabama  
Andy in Boston : 1/10/2018 9:19 am : link
would probably be a young staff and my guess is Patrick Graham would stay on as a coach. Wonder if we make the transition to a 3-4 defense.
I told my buddy a week ago  
Big Rick in FL : 1/10/2018 9:20 am : link
That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.
I like the idea that the Giants head coach might have  
Heisenberg : 1/10/2018 9:21 am : link
gone to wing night at Sutter's
What signs?  
jeff57 : 1/10/2018 9:22 am : link
Read the piece, where are the signs? Other than in the writer's head.
Is this writer keyed into the organization in any way?  
lawguy9801 : 1/10/2018 9:22 am : link
?
Hopefully he’s wrong  
Rflairr : 1/10/2018 9:22 am : link
.
Someone has to be leaking something  
Big Rick in FL : 1/10/2018 9:24 am : link
About this. Don't think it's a coincidence that both Peter King & Leonard are talking about Patricia a few hours apart after not really hearing much about him for the last week.
RE: I'm  
Beezer : 1/10/2018 9:25 am : link
In comment 13781127 Eric from BBI said:
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not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.


Same, regarding Patricia. But ... click-bait? NYG connections? Giantrs had good defenses, so ... Patricia?
RE: RE: Victor  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13781124 Victor in CT said:
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In comment 13781115 ryanmkeane said:


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I don't have much of an opinion on Patricia. What's your take?



Pats assistants scare me. Especially on D. Nobody knows what they actually do, or if they just take orders from Belichick. And with the possible exception of Bill O'Brien, all of BBs asst's who have left have flopped as Head Coaches, McDaniels most spectacularly.


Its actually been well documented as to what Patricia does to prepare his team. Seems to me you are just using the typical "its only due to the success of BB" to not want a guy. And that's fine, but I don't think every case is the same and there's a lot out there to dispel some of your reservations.
This would really excite me..  
Sean : 1/10/2018 9:28 am : link
He’s who I wanted.
Was the article headline  
allstarjim : 1/10/2018 9:29 am : link
A subtle nod to BBI?
RE: I told my buddy a week ago  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2018 9:30 am : link
In comment 13781159 Big Rick in FL said:
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That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.


This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.
Could the Giants front office be leaking this...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/10/2018 9:30 am : link
on purpose? Rules don't allow them to reach an agreement directly with Patricia, maybe they're sending him a message that he's the front runner?

Why else would the front office leak info about how strong each candidate is?


And if they aren't leaking info, why else would the NYDN report this stuff? Are they just looking for page views?

another speculation  
micky : 1/10/2018 9:31 am : link
get back when true
RE: RE: I told my buddy a week ago  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 9:33 am : link
In comment 13781178 UConn4523 said:
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In comment 13781159 Big Rick in FL said:


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That I think he'd be the Giants next HC. He's been an offensive & defensive coach. He's got the Belichick connection. He's young and very very smart. Everything I've read said the players love him. I wouldn't be mad at this hire at all.



This PLUS he's been around all the anarchy that's swarmed the Pats of late which tells me he's likely qualified to handle NY. Anything can happen but his resume is much better than McAdoo's so that isn't something I'm going to let get me down on hiring another coordinator.


How does that tell you anything when he's not permitted to speak to the media? Could be true, could be meaningless.
I couldn't care less how our HC  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2018 9:37 am : link
talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?
Nothing in this article suggests Patricia is a favorite here.  
Ivan15 : 1/10/2018 9:39 am : link
I think it will come down to who appears to be the best CEO type of coach.

Since we can’t get a feel for that characteristic without being there, I still think Shurmur checks all the other boxes and fits best.
I think the CEO bit is overblown  
UConn4523 : 1/10/2018 9:43 am : link
and is stemming from a bad hire in McAdoo. That doesn't mean you do a total 180. You just do a better job of hiring the next guy and schemes, preparedness, X's and O's, etc are all a piece of the puzzle. I don't think that will be glossed over in these interviews.
These Patricia leaks make me think the organization  
jlukes : 1/10/2018 9:44 am : link
is a negotiation ploy with Wilks
RE: I'm  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/10/2018 9:45 am : link
In comment 13781127 Eric from BBI said:
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not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.


Leonard quoted "the feeling" as his source. FWIW
I don't read..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/10/2018 9:47 am : link
this article with any indication the team is leaking information. I read it as Leonard is throwing shit against a wall and hoping it will stick.
RE: I'm  
jeff57 : 1/10/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13781127 Eric from BBI said:
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not against Patricia at all, but I don't see where Leonard made his case why Patricia is now the front runner.


He saw the signs. And it opened up his eyes.
Signs, signs  
Pete in MD : 1/10/2018 9:49 am : link
everywhere there's signs...
jeff..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/10/2018 9:50 am : link
I'm not too sure.

And the sign says "long hair freaky people need not apply"

So I put my hair under my hat and I went in to ask him why

He said you look like a fine outstanding young man I think you'll do

So I took off my hat I said "Imagine that Huh Me working for you"
RE: I couldn't care less how our HC  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13781189 UConn4523 said:
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talks to the media and that wasn't the point of my comment. My point was that Patricia was there since 2004, through most of their scandals, through BB recycling his players and changing schemes, and all reports talk about prepared he always is. But you are worried about what happens when a Mic is in his face?


No wise ass. You're saying he is equipped to handle pressure and scandles becuase of issues surrounding the Pats, and I'm saying you have no way of knowing that. All we really know about the Pats staff is that Belichick can handle all of these things. None of his assitants who have left have shown that they can handle the top job or these types of pressures on their own.
RE: I don't read..  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13781209 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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this article with any indication the team is leaking information. I read it as Leonard is throwing shit against a wall and hoping it will stick.


This.
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