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Mike Lombardi: Patricia to Lions/ NYG want offensive coach

Defenderdawg : 1/10/2018 12:52 pm
Dave Birkett (@davebirkett)
1/10/18, 12:42 PM
Mike Lombardi on The Ringer podcast on Matt Patricia: "I was told Sunday night that Matt had the job" in Detroit ... "Matt will be the head coach of the Lions unless barring some unforeseen thing"

Dave Birkett (@davebirkett)
1/10/18, 12:45 PM
No mention of Patricia by name with the Giants there. He said Giants want an offensive coach and "I know who they would like to get, I'm not sure they can

“Michael Lombardi is an American football executive and media analyst. Until 2016, he was an assistant to the coaching staff of the New England Patriots and is a former analyst for the NFL Network and sportswriter at NFL.com.”
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GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 1:17 pm : link
In comment 13781631 crick n NC said:
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McDaniels is who I think he's talking about



Why wouldn't they "be able" to get McDaniels?

Sounded more like a Saban, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, or even Belichick (though he's not really an offensive coach) type comment.



If McDaniels wants the colts job, and the colts want him then that fits into Giants not being able to get him


It's a big "If" at this point in the process, all these sportswriters are throwing out all kinds of possible destinations for coaches.
OK, so here we go again!  
Simms11 : 1/10/2018 1:18 pm : link
Anyway, I still think it's, in priority:
McDaniels as 1
Patricia as 1A
Shurmer as 2
and Wilks as 3
I wouldn't take anything  
ryanmkeane : 1/10/2018 1:18 pm : link
Lombardi says at much face value. Especially on those podcasts, he says a ton of things without really saying anything.
RE: I wouldn't take anything  
Peppers : 1/10/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13781643 ryanmkeane said:
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Lombardi says at much face value. Especially on those podcasts, he says a ton of things without really saying anything.


That's all anyone is doing right now. Bunch of wild guesses to sound right.

Only people who know anything are 4 men. Tisch, Mara, DG, and Abrams.


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crick n NC : 1/10/2018 1:22 pm : link
In comment 13781639 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13781624 pjcas18 said:


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In comment 13781596 crick n NC said:


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McDaniels is who I think he's talking about



Why wouldn't they "be able" to get McDaniels?

Sounded more like a Saban, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, or even Belichick (though he's not really an offensive coach) type comment.



If McDaniels wants the colts job, and the colts want him then that fits into Giants not being able to get him



It's a big "If" at this point in the process, all these sportswriters are throwing out all kinds of possible destinations for coaches.


Of course, everything is an "IF" right now.
I'm going to throw a name out there.  
compton : 1/10/2018 1:25 pm : link
Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.
This podcast  
BeckShepEli : 1/10/2018 1:26 pm : link
Was taped yesterday before all the news of Patricia broke out today
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pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 1:27 pm : link
In comment 13781631 crick n NC said:
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In comment 13781596 crick n NC said:


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McDaniels is who I think he's talking about



Why wouldn't they "be able" to get McDaniels?

Sounded more like a Saban, Andy Reid, Sean Payton, or even Belichick (though he's not really an offensive coach) type comment.



If McDaniels wants the colts job, and the colts want him then that fits into Giants not being able to get him


I guess, maybe I'm reading more into the "not sure they can" phrase.

They can get McDaniels. If they want him and offer him a job and he turns it down, then they didn't get him, but nothing is stopping them from getting him.

I viewed the phrase "...not sure they can" as meaning not available, not available but chooses otherwise.

I'm probably over-analyzing it.
RE: I'm going to throw a name out there.  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 1:30 pm : link
In comment 13781649 compton said:
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Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.


Too nice a guy. This team needs a discipinarian.
PJ  
crick n NC : 1/10/2018 1:33 pm : link
Obviously, I'm just throwing my opinion out there by how I read it. I also didn't know until I read on this thread that hitdog named Sean Payton as an interest of the Giants. That would definitely fit what you are describing.
Who would Lombardi be hearing from?  
Dan in the Springs : 1/10/2018 1:34 pm : link
Agents possibly. More likely beat reporters. I seriously doubt he's hearing it from the NYG hiring committee of DG, Mara or Tisch.

Anyway, lots of speculation still. If what he's saying is true though and we want an offensive guy, you'd imagine the top candidates would be McDaniels and Shurmur.

I'm wondering if the Giants F.O. is interested in Patricia and are the source of leaks today signaling interest in him. Can't wait to find out.
If NE loses this weekend...  
GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 1:36 pm : link
I guess all the coaching slots will be settled rather quickly then.
RE: I'm going to throw a name out there.  
arcarsenal : 1/10/2018 1:41 pm : link
In comment 13781649 compton said:
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Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.


Not a Caldwell fan. I'd pass on him.
Totally uninformed guess...  
magnum4413 : 1/10/2018 1:42 pm : link
is they end up with Shurmur. I can't back that up though.
McD wants Indy and Luck  
JonC : 1/10/2018 1:43 pm : link
Perhaps Giants prefer him over Patricia and are trying to move the pile.
You all are missing the the bigger picture  
map7711 : 1/10/2018 1:44 pm : link
Slade said BB is in the works.

End of discussion. Lol.
Pat Shurmur it is!  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/10/2018 1:44 pm : link
weird....
RE: McD wants Indy and Luck  
GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 1:46 pm : link
In comment 13781677 JonC said:
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Perhaps Giants prefer him over Patricia and are trying to move the pile.


How does anyone know for sure what McDaniels or any of the other coaching candidates want.
Caldwell...  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/10/2018 1:46 pm : link
probably did his best work at Wake Forest, but he's inherited above average teams with above average QB's and has had mediocre results.

His greater value, IMO, would be as OC.
RE: I doubt..  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 1:50 pm : link
In comment 13781615 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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he's talking about McDaniels. We interviewed the guy, why wouldn't we be able to get him.


My assumption there would be maybe he wants Indy with Luck and more control and say in players than what the Giants would give? Again, that is an assumption on both it being McDaniels and what McDaniels might want.
I can think of an offensive minded  
bluepepper : 1/10/2018 1:51 pm : link
coach with strong ties to the Giants who is currently working for another organization so they might not be able to get him. Much more recent ties than Sean Payton.
RE: I can think of an offensive minded  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 1:53 pm : link
In comment 13781694 bluepepper said:
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coach with strong ties to the Giants who is currently working for another organization so they might not be able to get him. Much more recent ties than Sean Payton.


So TC or Jason Garrett?
RE: RE: McD wants Indy and Luck  
JonC : 1/10/2018 1:54 pm : link
In comment 13781682 GFAN52 said:
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Perhaps Giants prefer him over Patricia and are trying to move the pile.



How does anyone know for sure what McDaniels or any of the other coaching candidates want.


Don't know for certain but that's the word among the beats.
What I'm saying..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/10/2018 1:54 pm : link
is that the Giants interviewed McDaniels and he hasn't taken another job yet, so saying they can't get him sounds like it is for a different reason:

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My assumption there would be maybe he wants Indy with Luck and more control and say in players than what the Giants would give? Again, that is an assumption on both it being McDaniels and what McDaniels might want.
One guy to keep an eye on  
Modus Operandi : 1/10/2018 1:55 pm : link
Is the Cardinals WR coach, Darryl Drake.

I suspect the guy Lombardi is referring to as possibly unattainable is Defilippo.
It's  
Kevin in Annapolis : 1/10/2018 1:56 pm : link
Fassel
John Fassel could be had and he's a special teams coach.  
BLUATHRT : 1/10/2018 2:02 pm : link
He's not the guy.
RE: One guy to keep an eye on  
robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2018 2:03 pm : link
In comment 13781699 Modus Operandi said:
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Is the Cardinals WR coach, Darryl Drake.

I suspect the guy Lombardi is referring to as possibly unattainable is Defilippo.


Why would DeFilippo be unattainable?
Didn't the Eagles  
Modus Operandi : 1/10/2018 2:04 pm : link
Already deny permission for him to be interviewed by another team? I thought I'd read that soemwhere.
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GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 2:06 pm : link
In comment 13781710 robbieballs2003 said:
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Is the Cardinals WR coach, Darryl Drake.

I suspect the guy Lombardi is referring to as possibly unattainable is Defilippo.



Why would DeFilippo be unattainable?


Apparently his QB coaching contract ends this off season.
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I don't know...  
Chris in Philly : 1/10/2018 2:06 pm : link
why you guys are guessing. If uou listen he comes out and says that he thinks they want McDaniels and that he doesn't think they can get him because of the org structure...
Yes, DeFilippo  
robbieballs2003 : 1/10/2018 2:11 pm : link
is a FA. We don't need permission. Even if we did we never even asked permission to interview him.
Have to hope Tennesee beats the Patriots on the road  
blueblood : 1/10/2018 2:26 pm : link
LOL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! yeah right
RE: I don't know...  
pjcas18 : 1/10/2018 2:29 pm : link
In comment 13781716 Chris in Philly said:
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why you guys are guessing. If uou listen he comes out and says that he thinks they want McDaniels and that he doesn't think they can get him because of the org structure...


There's something to listen to? Is it because McDaniels wants to be coach and GM?
FWIW: Shula's age  
GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 2:33 pm : link
BigBlueView.Com

"Wednesday afternoon, a source confirmed to me that there had been a “big change” in the Giants’ thinking and that Patricia could get the job."
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RE: FWIW: above  
GFAN52 : 1/10/2018 2:35 pm : link
Forgot the Shula's Age part :)
RE: RE: I'm going to throw a name out there.  
Reale01 : 1/10/2018 2:35 pm : link
In comment 13781673 arcarsenal said:
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Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.



Not a Caldwell fan. I'd pass on him.


He might be a good OC.
RE: RE: I'm going to throw a name out there.  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/10/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13781673 arcarsenal said:
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Jim Caldwell. He is available and has a better resume than all of the potential candidates being discussed.



Not a Caldwell fan. I'd pass on him.


+2. And his best work was with Payton pretending to be the OC. Why not hire him then.

I'm no spring chicken anymore but can we avoid the AARP candidates please. Wilkes or either NE coordinator would be a lot better than him by a lot
RE: FWIW: Shula's age  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2018 2:42 pm : link
In comment 13781758 GFAN52 said:
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BigBlueView.Com

"Wednesday afternoon, a source confirmed to me that there had been a “big change” in the Giants’ thinking and that Patricia could get the job." Link - ( New Window )

If this is true I am wondering if Wilks wasn't very impressive during his interview.
If DeFilippo's contract is up  
Jay on the Island : 1/10/2018 2:43 pm : link
he would be a great candidate for either QB coach and possibly OC.
RE: RE: I don't know...  
Chris in Philly : 1/10/2018 2:51 pm : link
In comment 13781752 pjcas18 said:
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why you guys are guessing. If uou listen he comes out and says that he thinks they want McDaniels and that he doesn't think they can get him because of the org structure...



There's something to listen to? Is it because McDaniels wants to be coach and GM?


Yes. The Ringer podcast, as referenced in the OP.

I think yes, McDaniels wants more say over personnel.
Mike Lombardi continues to be useless.  
Mr. Bungle : 1/10/2018 2:52 pm : link
If the Giants want an offensive coach, why have they interviewed defensive coordinators?
I like Lombardi, and find his insights  
Section331 : 1/10/2018 2:59 pm : link
invaluable, BUT he has repeatedly shown a fundamental lack of awareness about how the Giants operate. Any time he has talked about the Giants GM and HC jobs, he goes on about how the Giants are a traditional organization (which I agree with) that hires the GM and then lets the GM hire the HC (which I disagree with).

The GM certainly has a large voice in the room when it comes to hiring the HC, but the call is ultimately Mara and Tisch. This is fairly common knowledge, and for ML to regularly misrepresent it is odd. This is my long way of saying that I don't think he is plugged into the Giants at all.
RE: Mike Lombardi continues to be useless.  
jvm52106 : 1/10/2018 3:02 pm : link
In comment 13781790 Mr. Bungle said:
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If the Giants want an offensive coach, why have they interviewed defensive coordinators?


Its like needing a car so while looking there are things you would prefer but cost and other factors do come into play. So they may prefer an offensive coach but if his cost is too high and the difference not that much between him and defensive guy then they go defensive.
RE: If DeFilippo's contract is up  
chopperhatch : 1/10/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13781775 Jay on the Island said:
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he would be a great candidate for either QB coach and possibly OC.



I could definitely get on board with Patricia at HC and DeFilippo as OC.

The thing about Patricia that I like is that because he is so stats and mathematics driven I think he would hire very good people to do their jobs. It's the one thing that can make me overlook his coaching inexperience.
Maybe they want  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/10/2018 3:10 pm : link
Dan Campbell. We aren't getting Peyton from New Orleans, but we could get his right handman, and former NYG TE.
Look  
Peppers : 1/10/2018 3:11 pm : link
Its basically down to 4 people. I think its safe to say you can scratch off Spags and Studesville.

Leaves the NE guys, Wilks, and Shurmur. 2 offensive 2 defensive.

Lombardi has a 50/50 shot at being right about the offensive coach. Its a safe bet for him.

But pull yourself from the rumors/bull shit for a minute.. Do you really think Mara, Tisch, DG, or Abrams are telling anyone who or what they really want? Why and how would that even get out?

Its honestly common sense here. He's bullshitting like the rest of these guys.

RE: RE: If DeFilippo's contract is up  
Victor in CT : 1/10/2018 3:16 pm : link
In comment 13781815 chopperhatch said:
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In comment 13781775 Jay on the Island said:


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he would be a great candidate for either QB coach and possibly OC.




I could definitely get on board with Patricia at HC and DeFilippo as OC.

The thing about Patricia that I like is that because he is so stats and mathematics driven I think he would hire very good people to do their jobs. It's the one thing that can make me overlook his coaching inexperience.


yeah, maybe a Rod Rust type.
RE: Sean Payton  
est1986 : 1/10/2018 4:29 pm : link
In comment 13781626 DCPollaro said:
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was on the hitdog list...


Who else was on his "list"? If you don't mind me asking.
McAdoo is RETURNING !!!!  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/10/2018 5:51 pm : link
Gettleman says that Ben has a "clean Slate" with him............just kidding.
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