Admittedly don’t know any back story but saw this today from his official twitter account
Don't like hospitals but I'll do any study to relive my head pain. Praying for the best its in… instagram.com/p/BdyPuzWAE6a/
Obviously speculation but wonder if he is dealing with football related head trauma/CTE. People hate Shockey but I saw him eating lunch in south beach a few years ago with Rosenhaus and he couldn’t have been nicer. Hope he’s alright
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They sat right next to us at the bar and hung out for a few hours. He was very open and honest about anything I asked him about the Giants. He loves the Giants still. Had nothing but good things to say about Coughlin and Eli.
Putting it mildly he doesn't like Reese.
Anyway, best wishes to him, hope it's just headaches and nothing serious.
They sat right next to us at the bar and hung out for a few hours. He was very open and honest about anything I asked him about the Giants. He loves the Giants still. Had nothing but good things to say about Coughlin and Eli.
Putting it mildly he doesn't like Reese.
What were the things he said about Eli?
Putting it mildly he doesn't like Reese. [/quote]
Shockey is one of my all time favourite players. In fact he significantly enhanced my interest in the Giants. Childish and not 100% all positive granted, but for awhile he epitomised the reasons to watch football. His passion for the game was infectious.
The day he was traded was a punch in the gut for me. The narrative at the time didn't sit well with me either.
Care to expand on the above? It may help solve a mystery I was wondering about for 10 years now.
Thank you in advance.
Yuou are, bar none, among the dumbest new
posters on BBI.
As is typical for guys who used to play Here, Shockeys contributions to the franchise are way overstated.
He was a bonehead and played like a bonehead. Everything that posters here accuse OBJ of doing, being a diva, a cancer, a distraction, Shockey was. He reveled in it. Fuck him.
They suddenly stopped. I can attest they are worse than kidney stones.
Hope he's OK.
I thought he would be a lot more complementary of Fassel than he was, didnt say anything bad but he had nothing but great things to say about Coughlin. I only talked to him for a couple hours and talked about all kinds of things, he was absolutely hilarious and his buddies were cool too.
His tenure with the Giants would not have ended the eay it did if Reese wasnt running the show.
We read a lot about a fractured relationship between him and Eli/Coughlin but from his prespective that was not the case at all.
He was hopeful the Giants would fire Reese and hire Gettelman back in November. Loves Gettelman for sure
By comparison, the fifth round pick who supplanted Shockey the year prior, and himself overrated by fans, averaged 33 rec. for 494 yds and just under 6 TDs over the same time frame.
That's before you even get into Shockey's homophobia, undercutting Eli and general assholishness.
Nice. He seems like a good guy.
Unfortunately he's actually guilty of all the things people project upon Odell Beckham. He wasn't a great teammate, wasn't fully invested in keeping himself in shape. He was out partying hard at every turn. Might even have had a problem with drinking too much based on his las vegas antics. If he played in the same era of cameras everywhere and social media, I wonder how long he would have lasted.
I know his home situation wasn't good and that's a big part of his development, but it's a shame to consider what he could have been with a better approach.
Maybe was being tongue in cheek? I would think that with those O lines, a guy like O'Hara, Seubert, Diehl, Snee would tell Shockey to chill the hell out on talking like that in the huddle.
Neither was anyone else on the team, dickhead.
Spoke to him for a minute or two. I told him I was a big Giants fan & thanked him for his time in NY. He was very nice and said he loved his time there & wished it had ended differently.
Unfortunately he's actually guilty of all the things people project upon Odell Beckham. He wasn't a great teammate, wasn't fully invested in keeping himself in shape. He was out partying hard at every turn. Might even have had a problem with drinking too much based on his las vegas antics. If he played in the same era of cameras everywhere and social media, I wonder how long he would have lasted.
I know his home situation wasn't good and that's a big part of his development, but it's a shame to consider what he could have been with a better approach.
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player, but he's a case of wasted potential. If he had taken himself and his career more seriously, he had just as much talent and ability to have the same career Jason Witten had. One can argue he was more physically gifted.
Unfortunately he's actually guilty of all the things people project upon Odell Beckham. He wasn't a great teammate, wasn't fully invested in keeping himself in shape. He was out partying hard at every turn. Might even have had a problem with drinking too much based on his las vegas antics. If he played in the same era of cameras everywhere and social media, I wonder how long he would have lasted.
I know his home situation wasn't good and that's a big part of his development, but it's a shame to consider what he could have been with a better approach.
Odell isn’t a drinker and by all accounts is a great teammate. Only similarities are taking dumb 15 yard unsportsmanlike conduct penalties which are by products of their competitiveness intensity and immaturity
That's what I mean. Shockey was the things that people imagine Odell to be.
This is EXACTLY what I thought, even as soon as Shockey got hurt in '07, I thought it could really be a blessing and help Eli and the Giants.
I wish him well, but as athletic as he was, it was a classic case of addition by subtraction.
Or the first time you miss significant time with an injury, your team wins a SB without you. At which point you whine, elect to skip team related festivities, appearances, etc.
Total dick.
His behavior and antics were counter productive and I don't know if we would've won it in '07 with him active, but I wish him well.
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But, that empty suit slug treated him like dick. It would have been something if he slugged that puke GM.
Yuou are, bar none, among the dumbest new
posters on BBI.
As is typical for guys who used to play Here, Shockeys contributions to the franchise are way overstated.
He was a bonehead and played like a bonehead. Everything that posters here accuse OBJ of doing, being a diva, a cancer, a distraction, Shockey was. He reveled in it. Fuck him.
Actually his play and contributions here are understated by many and your take of shockey is downright sad. When shockey was a Giant the team went to the playoffs 4 out of the 6 seasons he played here. He was a cancer? Oh really. When's the last time time this franchise went to the playoffs 4-6 seasons? Only one other time in our lifetime. 84-89.
Cancer my ass.
Player bitched in the huddle? Uh Jerry rice used to eviserate Joe Montana and Steve young. Doesn't mean it's right or wrong but many pass catchers do it.
How effective was the offense when shockey played here? How consistent? Did the player want it? Did the player play through countless injuries?
But yea, a former teammate ripped him in a power game. So there is that.
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But, that empty suit slug treated him like dick. It would have been something if he slugged that puke GM.
Yuou are, bar none, among the dumbest new
posters on BBI.
As is typical for guys who used to play Here, Shockeys contributions to the franchise are way overstated.
He was a bonehead and played like a bonehead. Everything that posters here accuse OBJ of doing, being a diva, a cancer, a distraction, Shockey was. He reveled in it. Fuck him.
Well put. Million $$ talent, 5 cent head. An idiot in every way. The team shrink was dead against drafting him. That said, I hate to see yet another gy potentially with CTE or another form of brain damage.
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But, that empty suit slug treated him like dick. It would have been something if he slugged that puke GM.
Yuou are, bar none, among the dumbest new
posters on BBI.
As is typical for guys who used to play Here, Shockeys contributions to the franchise are way overstated.
He was a bonehead and played like a bonehead. Everything that posters here accuse OBJ of doing, being a diva, a cancer, a distraction, Shockey was. He reveled in it. Fuck him.
Wow, just wow!! I didn't know you had it in you Modus? Truer words couldn't have been said. The final straw for me was at the Green Bay game when Coughlin didn't hear the call and Shockey pulled Coughlins head set off his ears and gave him the answer, then snapped it back on his head. MAGA
So we can't attribute team accomplishments to one guy but we can attribute a team's successful playoff run to a player's absence? No. We can't really do either. We can only go by what our eyes told us when watching the team play. Shockey was a good player who helped the team win games.
*gets in a fight with fans throwing soda and ice into the crowd during the game
*after that drops a SURE TD right in his hands that would have iced the game. this is conveniently forgotten becuase of the officiating mess on the last play.
from ESPN:
Jeremy Shockey, the Giants' brash rookie tight end, taunted the 49ers' sideline after just his second reception -- and threw ice water in the direction of heckling fans in a moment of frustration on the New York sideline.
But Shockey, who had seven catches for 68 yards, dropped a potential TD pass late in the third quarter, forcing New York to kick a field goal.
Million $$ talent, 5 cent head.
Garcia, 49ers erase 24-point deficit - ( New Window )
It feels a bit wrong to disparage the guy while he's going through a scary health situation as a result of the sport, but this thread has turned more into a discussion of his time as a Giant.
In that regard, I couldn't agree more with the notion that he was everything (in a bad way) that people incorrectly say Odell is.
Shockey was an all-world talent who laid it all out on the field, but he was a malcontent who showed up the team and the quarterback on several occasions. He would run his own routes, he would skip the huddle, and he would make countless obvious gestures indication fault with his teammates. The team was better off without him because if there isn't trust between the QB and a WR/TE, particuarly in the type of offense GIlbride ran, then it will only lead to disaster.
Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.
See how easy that is? Give credit to KEvin Boss for EMERGING when Shockey got hurt. Maybe that's the biggest thing to take from Shockey's injury because I have new for all of you, if Boss doesn't emerge, we aren't winning super bowl 42 if some slob is playing TE. We didn't miss Shockey because of Boss.
Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.
There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.
It was also clear that Shockey often showed up Eli, who at the time was still a young QB, possibly struggling with confidence. I think that's what O'Hara was referencing and I'll take his word for it over anyone on BBI. And he probably also demanded the ball even when he was covered.
That doesn't mean I hate him (I don't hate anyone). I wish him well.
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Huh.
Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.
There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.
Yeah, I see that. But is it true?
I wish he'd handled himself a bit better. But I've always had the impression he's pretty well liked by fans, overall.
Pathetic.
Do you have a tape of the Tiki sucks chant? I was there and heard no such chant.
Pathetic.
no, unflinching apologists are pathetic. take the poster off your ceiling for a minute. Me and most people here have acknowledged his great talent along with his negatives and hope that his health is not in jeopardy. I guess all the examples of poor route running, not knowing the plays, not joining the huddle, running his own routes, missing the checks to shift the route tree, immature, self absorbed behavior, showing up teammates, none of that matters.
The shame of it is he should have and easily could have had a much better career here and possibly be a HOFer. I wish it would have worked out that way.
Other than being dumb as a f'g post, running the wrong routes according to many NFL insiders, and looking like he was running out of a burning building when he was at full speed, I thought he was a good player overall and his passion and toughness were admirable.
Not saying it was all Shockey, and some of the INTs are on Eli, but I would bet that a majority of Eli's INTs through his career occurred when targeting Shockey and later, Reuben Randall. They were the two we heard most often as "not being on the same page with Eli", i.e., they ran the wrong route.
Steve Smith has nothing to do with Shockey. It's not even close to a good analogy.
Steve Smith didn't have a reputation of frequently running the wrong routes, resulting in INTs and incompletions. And he never showed up Eli. He just did his job.
If Shockey behaved and did his job like Smith did (kept his mouth shut, ran the correct routes, caught the ball when he was targeted, didn't yell at the QB to throw him the ball even when he was well covered, etc.), there would be no discussion here.
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Yeah, they made the playoffs four of 6 years he was on the roster. They should have. They were good teams. It's not like he carried them there. He was a part of good team, not the reason for their achievement. If anything, you can make that argument for Barber, not Shockey. And he was probably the third best offensive player once they got Plaxico.
So we can't attribute team accomplishments to one guy but we can attribute a team's successful playoff run to a player's absence? No. We can't really do either. We can only go by what our eyes told us when watching the team play. Shockey was a good player who helped the team win games.
You have that correct. In one instance, Shockey is a contributor on one side of the ball. He wasn't a QB. He was a good two-way TE who other teams had to account for. Hardly a game breaker.
On the other hand, he goes down in '07 and a fifth round draft pick comes in and the team doesn't miss a beat. That same TE went on to put up numbers comparable to Shockey for the next three seasons after Shockey is traded.
Shockey's best year was his first. He had issues with drops (something OBJ gets killed for), had several on and off-the-field incidents what can at best be characterized as immature. At worst, and if you believe the stories about him killing Eli, a cancer.
I get. You loved #80. You liked the gold locks. But he wasn't Tony Gonzalez. He wasn't Antonio Gates.
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Huh.
Maybe it's more that a lot of people just thought he was a dumbass at times. Might not be able to find a Giants fan who didn't appreciate his talent and grit.
There are people on this thread saying the guy was total shit and a team cancer.
Now you're just intentionally being obtuse.
Please cite an instance on this thread where anyone said Shockey was "total shit". Go ahead.
Pathetic.
Right? It's Shockey's fault the Giants blew a 38-14 lead??!! ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!
That said, I wouldn't wish the brain trauma shit on my worst enemy.
Hope he gets well.
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Let's face it, you know there's a problem when your best season was your rookie season.
Or the first time you miss significant time with an injury, your team wins a SB without you. At which point you whine, elect to skip team related festivities, appearances, etc.
Total dick.
Giants - Shockey - Tiki = Superbowl
A) He never lived up to his promise as football player. He was good, not great.
B) He did dumb stuff, some of which was detrimental to the team in real and meaningful ways. To the point where the Giants got rid of him. It's a long time ago, but some of us remember the disaster of a season 2006 was. That team had super bowl expectations too, and the locker room became a dumpster fire of Shockey calling out coaches for being outcoached and daring writers to 'print that' after losses, Tiki anonymously leaking his frustration at not getting the ball more, and Strahan spitting a PBJ sandwich at reporters.