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adamg : 1/11/2018 1:46 pm
A major assumption in this one: no QB stands out to the Giants so they trade back with the Jets.

Cuts
Dwayne Harris
Brandon Marshall
Brad Wing
Aldrick Rosas

Re-signs
Devon Kennard (3 years 12 mill)
DJ Fluker (3 years 15 mill)
Orleans Darkwa (2 years 4 mill)
Brett Jones (1 year 2 mill)
Jay Bromley (1 year 2 mill)
Ross Cockrell (2 years 9 mill)
Tavarres King (1 year 2 mill)

Signs
Andrew Norwell (5 years 60 mill)
Paul Richardson (1 year 7 mill)
Avery Williamson (3 years 15 mill)
Terrence Brooks (1 year 1.5 mill)
Dustin Hopkins (2 years 2 mill)
Pat O’Donnell (2 year 2.5 mill)

Trade 2 overall pick to Jets for 2018 1st (6), 2nd (37), Seattle’s 2018 2nd (49), Jet’s 2019 1st and 3rd

Draft
6 Connor Williams
34 Billy Price
37 Bryce Love
49 Malik Jefferson
66 Lorenzo Carter
104 Jake Wieneke
138 Brandon Facyson
141 BJ Hill
180 Dimitri Flowers

New 53
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QB Eli Manning, Davis Webb
RB Bryce Love, Orleans Darkwa, Wayne Gallman, Paul Perkins
FB Dimitri Flowers
TE Evan Engram, Rhett Ellison, Jerrell Adams
WR Odell Beckham, Paul Richardson, Sterling Shepard, Jake Wieneke, Roger Lewis, Tavarres King
OL Ereck Flowers, Andrew Norwell, Billy Price, DJ Fluker, Connor Williams, Chad Wheeler, Adam Bisnowaty, Brett Jones, John Jerry
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DE JPP, Olivier Vernon, Avery Moss, Romeo Okwara, Kerry Wynn
DT Damon Harrison, Dalvin Tomlinson, Jay Bromley, BJ Hill
LB Lorenzo Carter, Devon Kennard, Avery Williamson, Malik Jefferson, BJ Goodson, Calvin Munson
CB Janoris Jenkins, Ross Cockrell, DRC, Eli Apple, Brandon Facyson, Brandon Dixon
FS Darian Thompson, Terrence Brooks
SS Landon Collins, Andrew Adams
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K Dustin Hopkins
P Pat O’Donnell
LS Zak DeOssie

No Thanks.  
est1986 : 1/11/2018 1:51 pm : link
Do not approve of that draft. Cuts, Resigns and F/A seem decent.
I don't think Bryce Love lasts that long  
Modus Operandi : 1/11/2018 1:54 pm : link
I think he's going in the first.
RE: I don't think Bryce Love lasts that long  
adamg : 1/11/2018 1:55 pm : link
In comment 13783176 Modus Operandi said:
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I think he's going in the first.


There's a ton of RB you can substitute there. Sony Michel would have probably been the more popular choice.
That'd be one hell of a haul  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2018 1:56 pm : link
in the draft
I don't know if we'll..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2018 1:56 pm : link
pick a QB at #2 or trade down, but I'd be shocked if we don't draft one. I don't think we are going all-in with Eli. He'll be that starter and mentor for a year, but it won't just be to Webb.

We also can do better at PK than Hopkins.
I'm high  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2018 1:57 pm : link
on Malik Jefferson as well.
Don't have  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2018 1:58 pm : link
much interest in Love. If we are taking a RB in the first 40 or so picks, he better be a bell cow type.
I love the 2nd and 3rd round picks  
BigBlueHens : 1/11/2018 1:58 pm : link
Billy Price falling to 34. He is a good prospect who can play both C/G, but I think I would prefer him to play center, with Jones as the backup, or playing Jones at C and Price at RG. Bryce Love, who may be one of the most talented backs in this deep draft. Also re-signing Fluker, who could start at RG, or back up Price. Fluker is a good run blocker, but protecting the QB is not his strongest suit. I am a Fluker fan though. Malik Jefferson is also a great pick in the 3rd, giving the Giants much needed help at the linebacker spot.

However, I don't think they will take Conor Williams at 6. I honestly don't think any of the tackles will be worth it, but will have to wait for Sy'56 and Dave T to update us. WalterFootball.com now has Conor Williams the 10th overall tackle, going in the 3rd to 4th round because of injury and lack of strength. Might be a reach, and remember last time we reached on a OT (Flowers). If they don't take a QB, I would prefer Chubb or Fitzpatrick, adding talent and depth to the defense.

I like the cuts and free agent signings/re-signings. Paying a ton for Norwell but it gives much needed help to that O-Line.
RE: That'd be one hell of a haul  
adamg : 1/11/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13783182 ryanmkeane said:
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in the draft


I tried to go by NFL Draft Scout's player ratings and not be too generous.
Do not approve of the draft?  
Tuckrule : 1/11/2018 2:00 pm : link
I would sign up for that draft real fast.
the Giants will NEVER  
johnnyb : 1/11/2018 2:01 pm : link
trade with the Jets. same reason the Yankees and Mets do not trade much with each other. On this scale- the number two pick- will never happen.
RE: Don't have  
adamg : 1/11/2018 2:01 pm : link
In comment 13783188 ryanmkeane said:
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much interest in Love. If we are taking a RB in the first 40 or so picks, he better be a bell cow type.


I think of Love as a really good complement to Darkwa and Gallman. In some ways, I like Kerryon Johnson more and he'd be a better value later, but the prospect of an explosive player like Love in the top of second would be a nice pick up imo.
RE: I love the 2nd and 3rd round picks  
adamg : 1/11/2018 2:04 pm : link
In comment 13783189 BigBlueHens said:
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Billy Price falling to 34. He is a good prospect who can play both C/G, but I think I would prefer him to play center, with Jones as the backup, or playing Jones at C and Price at RG. Bryce Love, who may be one of the most talented backs in this deep draft. Also re-signing Fluker, who could start at RG, or back up Price. Fluker is a good run blocker, but protecting the QB is not his strongest suit. I am a Fluker fan though. Malik Jefferson is also a great pick in the 3rd, giving the Giants much needed help at the linebacker spot.

However, I don't think they will take Conor Williams at 6. I honestly don't think any of the tackles will be worth it, but will have to wait for Sy'56 and Dave T to update us. WalterFootball.com now has Conor Williams the 10th overall tackle, going in the 3rd to 4th round because of injury and lack of strength. Might be a reach, and remember last time we reached on a OT (Flowers). If they don't take a QB, I would prefer Chubb or Fitzpatrick, adding talent and depth to the defense.

I like the cuts and free agent signings/re-signings. Paying a ton for Norwell but it gives much needed help to that O-Line.


Thinking about Flowers was part of why Williams seemed like a better pick than Orlando Brown who doesn't have strength issues but has technique issues. Definitely will have to see how the OL prospects evolve over the next few months.
I like Conor Williams and don't think he's worth the 6th pick  
shockeyisthebest8056 : 1/11/2018 2:05 pm : link
in the draft. I know we need an OT, but picking these guys ahead of where they should be selected doesn't help the Giants in any way.
Not getting the QB  
ryanmkeane : 1/11/2018 2:16 pm : link
really does kinda suck, but if we don't, this is the type of draft I'd want the Giants to have. The more picks we have in the top 60, the better.
RE: Not getting the QB  
adamg : 1/11/2018 2:17 pm : link
In comment 13783243 ryanmkeane said:
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really does kinda suck, but if we don't, this is the type of draft I'd want the Giants to have. The more picks we have in the top 60, the better.


I'm a Rosen fan. This was just an alternative scenario I was curious about. I think both situations could be good.
RE: I don't think Bryce Love lasts that long  
Section331 : 1/11/2018 2:28 pm : link
In comment 13783176 Modus Operandi said:
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I think he's going in the first.


How many 195 lb RB's go in the 1st round? Right now, he's a 3rd down back. I'm not giving up a first for that.
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BleedBlue : 1/11/2018 3:47 pm : link
carter will not be there at 66 either...he is going to test well and will fly up draft boards
Post with positions and comments  
idiotsavant : 1/11/2018 3:50 pm : link
For busy folks.

Why so much $ for kennard?
Skins Nick Rose looked very good when he replaced Hopkins.  
Boy Cord : 1/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
My guess is the Skins try to keep Hopkins. Primary indicator is they actually activated Hopkins from IR the last few weeks of the season.

Also, the Eagles have two in Sturgis and Elliott. We all know Elliott can give the ball a ride.
You didn't cut  
Mr. Nickels : 1/11/2018 4:26 pm : link
John Jerry so didn't bother to read rest of it
offer Jones more and fluker less probably  
idiotsavant : 1/11/2018 4:35 pm : link
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No Thanks  
HumbleGiant : 1/11/2018 4:42 pm : link
The draft itself isn't terrible, in fact its very decent. Not sure I would go OT so high and if I did I would probably take the kid from OU. Doubt some of the players are around where would would pick them. Hate the RB in the 2nd. I really don't want Bromley, but have no choice, we need him for depth. Four million for Kennard seems high, he's not worth it to me. He might be our best LB, but probably a backup anywhere else! You would keep Darkwa and draft a RB in the 2nd? No thanks on Richardson, we already have King. If we don't go QB with our 2nd overall we need to take Barkley! If not cash in and trade and draft the best DP! Would love Payne, Fitzpatrick or Chubb!!! My take anyways!!
RE: offer Jones more and fluker less probably  
adamg : 1/11/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13783521 idiotsavant said:
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Jones is a RFA. He can't demand much. Fluker is a UFA.
RE: You didn't cut  
adamg : 1/11/2018 5:22 pm : link
In comment 13783498 Mr. Nickels said:
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John Jerry so didn't bother to read rest of it


Jerry is the 3rd guard at best in this scenario. So, well done.
Re. Jones  
idiotsavant : 1/11/2018 5:30 pm : link
Split the difference and give the kid a respectable, not super high, long term contract.

Doesn't dictate that he wins any starting job, nobody has that right now, but we need pieces. Start building.

Fluker .. Depends what type of OL scheme... but he seems more like a short term piece. Could be wrong.
RE: the Giants will NEVER  
OC2.0 : 1/11/2018 5:35 pm : link
In comment 13783200 johnnyb said:
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trade with the Jets. same reason the Yankees and Mets do not trade much with each other. On this scale- the number two pick- will never happen.
Why not? If we threw in Marshall & Geno
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