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I didn't realize how far Brad Wing fell in 2017

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 3:26 pm
In looking at the stats, he went from 10th in net punting in 2016 to dead last in 2017.

I'm not sure how he went from such a solid punter to crap in one year.
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Wing was awful this year. As was Rosas  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2018 3:41 pm : link
The Giants severely lacked the "foot" in football.

An irony of Reese's delusion that this was an SB contender: if he really thought that, then how could he go into the season with a rookie kicker?
Its not just Wing. Rosas was a mess.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/11/2018 3:41 pm : link
How many kicks were blocked? How many punts were blocked? It was a joke on special teams.
RE: ...  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13783374 Eric from BBI said:
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I'm guessing they don't dump him, but you have to wonder how Odell will react to some of his favorites possibly being jettisoned. The WR coach is most likely gone. I believe Wing is one of his best friends on the team. In most instances, the reaction would be, "so what?" but there seems to have been a conscious effort by the Giants in the past to put friendly faces around Odell.


Sorry but this is professional football. The league where they play for pay. Odell will just have to grow up and deal with it in a mature fashion. That past effort has meant diddly to the bottom line. Hog mollies are in, mollycoddling is out.
Yeah, he had been terrific the year before  
David B. : 1/11/2018 3:45 pm : link
But he was a mess this season.

The drop off WAS huge.
I wonder why?
RE: Its not just Wing. Rosas was a mess.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 3:45 pm : link
In comment 13783383 Bold Ruler said:
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How many kicks were blocked? How many punts were blocked? It was a joke on special teams.


Wow... he had FOUR kicks blocked... two FGs and two extra points. I must have blocked out a couple of those.
Was Wing Injured?  
Samiam : 1/11/2018 3:46 pm : link
Were there any reports on him being hurt?

Also, alot of Rosas kicks were blocked. Are there any statistics that speak to was it the PKs fault or the blocking? If the line is not blocking, it doesn't matter who is the PK.
RE: sophmore  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2018 3:49 pm : link
In comment 13783366 Les in TO said:
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slump.

Interesting. You don't often hear that about a player's fourth season, but I suppose it's a possibility.
Wing was decnt last year with his aussie style kicks,  
Simms11 : 1/11/2018 3:50 pm : link
however, he doesn't have the leg to boom it. It was a bigger problem this year when the offense couldn't sustain drives and he was punting like 10 times a game! He made the most punts of any punter in the league this year. He definitely needs competition in camp next year, but he also needs to get stronger.
RE: Wing was decnt last year with his aussie style kicks,  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13783410 Simms11 said:
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however, he doesn't have the leg to boom it. It was a bigger problem this year when the offense couldn't sustain drives and he was punting like 10 times a game! He made the most punts of any punter in the league this year. He definitely needs competition in camp next year, but he also needs to get stronger.


Nice theory but the numbers don't show that. He punted 93 times in 2016 and 95 times in 2017. And our offense was horrible in 2016 too.
Rosas was worse...  
LarmerTJR : 1/11/2018 3:57 pm : link
He was 7 for 14 between 30-49 yards. How is that possible? He was perfect under 30 yards and 50+. Ugly.
vs. Philly they had a punt, FG and PAT blocked. I don't think  
Victor in CT : 1/11/2018 3:57 pm : link
I ever saw that before at any level in the same game.
Not a defense  
old man : 1/11/2018 4:00 pm : link
Just an explanation.
2017 was his 5th year kicking in NFL. Likely kicked lots for Eagles in '13, then Pitt in '14, then lots for us in '15, '16 the team record was good, but the O still sucked so he punted lots; in '17 he was punting more them LOTS.
Kickers can 'lose it' like RBs lose a 1/2 step: quickly.
Who knows on '18...but I think of Matt Bryant.
With us 2002 and '03 PK and KO; did relatively little kicking in 04 w/ Fins and Colts, '05-08 PK and KO for Falcons; 2009-present: PK only.
Whatever happened in'03, possibly an injury that never really healed , forced cutting him in'04 so he got the leg to rest. Got restored for both duties O5-08 in Atlanta, but likely weakening in '08 so they got somebody for KOs. 6-7 years of lots of kicking.
Maybe Wing lost ' leg' with all the punting he did...needs a rest. Or it was an undisclosed injury.
Again not a defense. A 'just saying'
Wing looked nervous this year  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/11/2018 4:04 pm : link
like he knew that almost every kick was gonna be blocked. He didn't extend fully into his kicks....he didn't have that "high hop" off his left foot you see right after his right makes contact with the ball...as if he was holding back in fear of getting injured while he was fully extended.
RE: RE: sophmore  
JCin332 : 1/11/2018 4:04 pm : link
In comment 13783404 Gatorade Dunk said:
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slump.


Interesting. You don't often hear that about a player's fourth season, but I suppose it's a possibility.


Good one buddy!
RE: Rosas was worse...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13783427 LarmerTJR said:
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He was 7 for 14 between 30-49 yards. How is that possible? He was perfect under 30 yards and 50+. Ugly.


I had to double check that and you are correct... his numbers look even worse when you consider he was literally 50 percent between 30-49 yards.
I don't think he "fell" so much as 2016 was an outlier for him.  
Mad Mike : 1/11/2018 4:15 pm : link
Yes, this was his worst year, but it's not that far off from how he did in 2014 and 2015. Last year was the only time he's been in the top half of the league in net y/p.
I'm ready to move on from Quinn  
Chris684 : 1/11/2018 4:20 pm : link
Wing and Rosas.

I feel like Parcells would have cut Wing right after  
mfsd : 1/11/2018 4:31 pm : link
at least a couple games this season. Agree with the crowd, he was average to good the last couple seasons, but a disaster this year
I'm ready to move on from Quinn Chris684  
optimist : 1/11/2018 4:36 pm : link
OK:

Good bye
Maybe I'm reading too much into it ...  
Beer Man : 1/11/2018 4:43 pm : link
It looked to me like Wing mailed it in very early and was just going through the motions
RE: RE: Its not just Wing. Rosas was a mess.  
Beer Man : 1/11/2018 4:47 pm : link
In comment 13783389 Eric from BBI said:
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How many kicks were blocked? How many punts were blocked? It was a joke on special teams.



Wow... he had FOUR kicks blocked... two FGs and two extra points. I must have blocked out a couple of those.
Its his kicking style, he pulls his body way too far off the ball and consequently gets too little lift on his kicks. The team has to replace him.
Loss of his BfF  
spike : 1/11/2018 4:53 pm : link
Took away his mojo
I remember he won ST POTW last year 2x  
est1986 : 1/11/2018 4:59 pm : link
but didn't he also have a handful of awfuly bad games last year too?
Wing's decline began last year  
English Alaister : 1/11/2018 5:00 pm : link
He was terrible against the Packers in the playoffs.
Has any kicker in the history of the NFL  
ron mexico : 1/11/2018 5:00 pm : link
Missed more kicks in a single year than Rosas?
RE: Wing's decline began last year  
ron mexico : 1/11/2018 5:09 pm : link
In comment 13783561 English Alaister said:
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He was terrible against the Packers in the playoffs.


Probably pissed he didn't get invited to the boat trip
Weaker supporting cast had to be a factor.  
Big Blue Blogger : 1/11/2018 5:10 pm : link
No Harris (best gunner), no Herzlich (ST captain), and constant turnover all over the punting unit. A punter who doesn't trust his teammates to protect him or cover is a punter whose head and mechanics are likely to go south.

Some teams seem to handle those sudden personnel changes better than others. Then again, some teams have real coaches running their special teams.

As others have said, an undisclosed injury is possible, but my guess would be a mental issue rather than a physical one.

BTW, I wasn't that impressed with Wing in 2016. He looked about average to me.
RE: Has any kicker in the history of the NFL  
Mad Mike : 1/11/2018 5:13 pm : link
In comment 13783563 ron mexico said:
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Missed more kicks in a single year than Rosas?

I mean, there are multiple guys who missed more than Rosas this year.
RE: Weaker supporting cast had to be a factor.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 5:14 pm : link
In comment 13783589 Big Blue Blogger said:
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No Harris (best gunner), no Herzlich (ST captain), and constant turnover all over the punting unit. A punter who doesn't trust his teammates to protect him or cover is a punter whose head and mechanics are likely to go south.

Some teams seem to handle those sudden personnel changes better than others. Then again, some teams have real coaches running their special teams.

As others have said, an undisclosed injury is possible, but my guess would be a mental issue rather than a physical one.

BTW, I wasn't that impressed with Wing in 2016. He looked about average to me.


Perhaps, but his net punting average dropped four yards from 2016. That's a huge decline. He was 10th in the NFL in net punting last year and he has always been good with punts downed inside the 20. He wasn't good at that last year either.
RE: I don't think he  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 5:15 pm : link
In comment 13783469 Mad Mike said:
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Yes, this was his worst year, but it's not that far off from how he did in 2014 and 2015. Last year was the only time he's been in the top half of the league in net y/p.


I would say you could be partially right. His previous net was halfway between 2016 and 2017. That said, I don't think most BBI'ers felt Wing was a problem in 2015...I think they were generally pleased with the trade. (Of course anyone after Dodge would have looked great in comparison).
He also had punts blocked  
B in ALB : 1/11/2018 5:17 pm : link
for the first time in his career I think. Speaks not only to his timing getting the kick off but perhaps an awful supporting cast. That's all on Quinn not having these idiots ready.
RE: RE: Rosas was worse...  
LarmerTJR : 1/11/2018 5:30 pm : link
Eric

I was shocked too. He missed half of the kicks in the range where you most likely would have the MOST attempts during a season.

In comment 13783452 Eric from BBI said:
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He was 7 for 14 between 30-49 yards. How is that possible? He was perfect under 30 yards and 50+. Ugly.



I had to double check that and you are correct... his numbers look even worse when you consider he was literally 50 percent between 30-49 yards.
He needs to stop hugging  
SHO'NUFF : 1/11/2018 6:27 pm : link
on Odell.
...  
yankees78 : 1/11/2018 7:59 pm : link
He was brutal in the playoff game
Brutal this season.
Blech.....I don't like him
RE: RE: sophmore  
Les in TO : 1/11/2018 9:16 pm : link
In comment 13783404 Gatorade Dunk said:
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slump.


Interesting. You don't often hear that about a player's fourth season, but I suppose it's a possibility.
he's been punting four years now? he can turn in his key card along with rosas and Quinn.
RE: RE: RE: sophmore  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2018 9:18 pm : link
In comment 13784019 Les in TO said:
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slump.


Interesting. You don't often hear that about a player's fourth season, but I suppose it's a possibility.

he's been punting four years now? he can turn in his key card along with rosas and Quinn.

Fun fact - there are entire websites dedicated to providing players' stats where you can learn things like that. He was the Steelers' punter for one season and has been with the Giants for three.
Crack  
mrvax : 1/11/2018 9:19 pm : link
.
Wait  
B in ALB : 1/11/2018 9:21 pm : link
Is there some confusion as to whether or not Wing was a rookie last year? Holy shit.
We went from  
JoeyBigBlue : 1/11/2018 9:26 pm : link
Feagles who was great, to Weatherford who was very good, to Wing who I think sucks. We need 2 new kickers next season. Rosas was even worse than Wing.
Eric, where have you been?  
JerrysKids : 1/11/2018 10:08 pm : link
I would have cut Brad Wing by the 8th game, he was awful and no surprise he was dead last in the NFL.. How could you not realize how bad he was???
Draft Michael Dickson  
KerrysFlask : 1/11/2018 11:04 pm : link
Problem solved.

C'mon gettleman. Dude is a legit weapon.
It would be shocking and disappointing to me if any one of the  
Phil in Joisey : 1/11/2018 11:15 pm : link
Quinn-Rosas-Wing trio returned to the Giants for 2018.
It's time for Mara to submit to the blackmail and buy Quinn's pictures no matter what it costs.
RE: Eric, where have you been?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 11:16 pm : link
In comment 13784076 JerrysKids said:
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I would have cut Brad Wing by the 8th game, he was awful and no surprise he was dead last in the NFL.. How could you not realize how bad he was???


He had some horrible early games that cost us, settled down, and then was inconsistent again at the end of the year.

But I didn't realize he was dead last in net punting.
RE: Eric, where have you been?  
Route 9 : 1/11/2018 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13784076 JerrysKids said:
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I would have cut Brad Wing by the 8th game, he was awful and no surprise he was dead last in the NFL.. How could you not realize how bad he was???


Guess I wasn't too off with this comment...

Can every other punter boom a punt in the NFL
Route 9 : 12/3/2017 4:51 pm : link
Besides Brad Wing?
He Cost Us The Eagle Game  
Rong5611 : 1/12/2018 8:32 am : link
The shank set them up for the kick...argh. That game started the slide to oblivion.

If we don't cut him, we need to give him strong competition in camp.

Very unfortunate, he was one of the best in the NFL until this year.
Wing has to be the single worst directional punter  
jlukes : 1/12/2018 8:34 am : link
in the NFL
Everybody fell off in 2017.  
Brown Recluse : 1/12/2018 8:52 am : link
The issue ran deeper than the players.
RE: Keep Quinn no matter what. - Mara  
RinR : 1/12/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 13783357 Bold Ruler said:
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Is this true? Mara is deciding which assistants stay and go? {can't tell if serious}
The Bromance between Wing and OBJ...  
BamaBlue : 1/12/2018 9:42 am : link
It really went south when Beckham went public with his all-in with the kicking net. You know what they say, 'once you go net..." That betrayal was the turning point in their relationship and the cause of Wing's precipitous fall...
Between the kicking team and the punting  
Bluesbreaker : 1/12/2018 2:35 pm : link
We have to be the worst in loss of yards adding in the dreadful punt and kickoff return and coverage .
Punter can make a huge impact in field position and the
return game . Have to have a strong legged kicker for
the climate but have the ability to directional kick .
We have to do better than Wing ad maybe Rojas as well .
The special teams are a disaster in every phase of the game I would bet without looking that playoff teams have above
average punters and kickers . Having a dynamic return specialist can turn a game around as well .
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