If the Giants pick a QB in the first round then Webb is NOT in their future plans but if the do not pick a QB in the first round, Webb is our future QB, it is a simple as that. It would not make sense for the Giants to let two young QBs, one of them a very high first rounder to fight it out for the future starter of the franchise.
1. If the team doesn't go QB they are convinced Webb is can be the real deal
2. If the team goes QB, they haven't seen enough of Webb to feel comfortable with him as the future, and are bringing in competition (let the best guy win)
Sort of like when the Chargers had a young Drew Brees (years back), weren't confident he could take the team all the way, and drafted Eli (who was immediately traded for Rivers)
Doesn't hurt to have competition and options at the most important position on the O.
He thinks the Giants are going to trade out of the pick and stay with Eli and then transition to Webb.
its a week old.. take it for what its worth.
PDOT - ( New Window )
We fired the guy who scouted him, we fired the guy who drafted him and we fired the guy who coached him.
Gettleman and our new HC have not seen Davis Webb.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
We fired the guy who scouted him, we fired the guy who drafted him and we fired the guy who coached him.
Gettleman and our new HC have not seen Davis Webb.
I interpreted DG's remarks as exactly the opposite of this. If you build up the rest of your roster and don't go after your potential franchise QB when you have the chance, you end up with a roster that finishes somewhere between 7-9 and 9-7 with no real present/future QB. That's the "QB hell" that I took DG's comments to mean.
Acknowledging how damaging it can be to miss on a QB pick early in the draft is different than not picking a QB, IMO.
He thinks the Giants are going to trade out of the pick and stay with Eli and then transition to Webb.
its a week old.. take it for what its worth. PDOT - ( New Window )
Might as well be four months old - that's been Dottino's stance (with regard to Eli and Webb, at least) all along no matter how much the other factors have changed.
The point isn't whether a new kid is better than Eli. The point is whether Gettleman thinks Eli is good enough to take the Giants to the Super Bowl, all things being equal. If he doesn't consider Eli to be top rate, it makes no sense to play him to have an 8-8 or even 9-7, one and done season instead of a 4-12 with a rookie. We're better off letting a kid start from day one and getting an additional year under his belt, even if it means sacrificing some games in the short run. At least imo
I can easily envision a scenario where in the first game of the season Eli gets hurt (even if only for a few snaps) and Davis would be the best bet at that time to finish that game.
He has had a year to learn the system and went through a season of practices with the Giants.
That says NOTHING about whether or not any QB would eventually take over.
Davis Webb: 6'5 229 (Combine)
Josh Rosen: 6'4 218 (Unofficial)
Sam Darnold: 6'4 220 (Unofficial)
Josh Allen: 6'5 233 (Unofficial)
Baker Mayfield: 6'1 220 (Unofficial)
Lamar Jackson: 6'3 211 (Unofficial)
Mason Rudolph: 6'5 230 (Unofficial)
Final year stats:
Davis Webb 2016: Comp ATT PCT YDS AVG TD INT RAT
362 620 61.6 4295 6.9 37 12 135.6
Josh Rosen 2017:
283 452 62.6 3756 8.3 26 10 147.0
Sam Darnold 2017:
303 480 63.1 4143 8.6 26 13 148.1
Josh Allen 2017:
152 270 56.3 1812 6.7 16 6 127.8
Baker Mayfield:
285 404 70.5 4627 11.5 43 6 198.9
Lamar Jackson:
254 430 59.1 3660 8.5 27 10 146.6
Mason Rudolph:
318 489 65.0 4904 10.0 37 9 170.6
Imo Webb's numbers are not bad compared to the Rosen, Darnold. I think Webb showed some good stuff in the NE preseason game. I'd actually be interested in Rudolph top of the 2nd if he is there.
All Webb did was come in, say all the right things, work his tail off at what they allowed him to do, and show the organization he could be a professional. Can he play? Is he franchise material? No one knows at this point either way, but I would bet he gets a chance to prove it next year one way or the other.
Now you have a new GM, that has nothing to go on to know whether or not Webb is the real deal. Can he know for sure from just scout team tape?
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Has there ever been a player on a team that's benefited more from not playing with a fan base than Webb. The amount that this guy is substantially overrated is really something.
Also, I assume that you haven't watched any of Webb's 2016 game tape. No, not his 2016 highlight tape, but the actually films charting all of his throws. If you had, you'd realize comments 1 and 4 aren't even remotely accurate. He, in fact, cannot make all the throws, he is seriously flawed on throws consistently over 10 yards. There are way too many instances where his throws are closer to the opposing CB than his own receiver. He also has a tremendous amount of difficulty reading a defense. He will throw to his first read even if there is a CB directly on the route.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
Now you have a new GM, that has nothing to go on to know whether or not Webb is the real deal. Can he know for sure from just scout team tape?
The ones making that decision are no longer making those decisions.
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Has there ever been a player on a team that's benefited more from not playing with a fan base than Webb. The amount that this guy is substantially overrated is really something.
Also, I assume that you haven't watched any of Webb's 2016 game tape. No, not his 2016 highlight tape, but the actually films charting all of his throws. If you had, you'd realize comments 1 and 4 aren't even remotely accurate. He, in fact, cannot make all the throws, he is seriously flawed on throws consistently over 10 yards. There are way too many instances where his throws are closer to the opposing CB than his own receiver. He also has a tremendous amount of difficulty reading a defense. He will throw to his first read even if there is a CB directly on the route.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
Well said.
Plus there's a reason Webb was drafted in the 3rd round and our own Sy projects Webb as having an outside chance to start, but much more likely a career clipboard holder.
Webb has also had a year in an NFL system.
In addition, it isn't Webb vs. Rosen, Darnold, or Allen. It's Webb plus the bevy of draft picks we get by trading down vs. Rosen, Darnold, or Allen.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants took a QB at #2. But people are acting is if it is or should be a given.
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Has there ever been a player on a team that's benefited more from not playing with a fan base than Webb. The amount that this guy is substantially overrated is really something.
Also, I assume that you haven't watched any of Webb's 2016 game tape. No, not his 2016 highlight tape, but the actually films charting all of his throws. If you had, you'd realize comments 1 and 4 aren't even remotely accurate. He, in fact, cannot make all the throws, he is seriously flawed on throws consistently over 10 yards. There are way too many instances where his throws are closer to the opposing CB than his own receiver. He also has a tremendous amount of difficulty reading a defense. He will throw to his first read even if there is a CB directly on the route.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
So Lax where's the link to that film that charts all his throws? Or are a scout with access to ALL 22 tape? And btw I liked Kerry Collins.
After the veritable pants crapping when he was approached to sit, I get why.
I just don't get how no one had the guts to do it.
I can easily envision a scenario where in the first game of the season Eli gets hurt (even if only for a few snaps) and Davis would be the best bet at that time to finish that game.
He has had a year to learn the system and went through a season of practices with the Giants.
That says NOTHING about whether or not any QB would eventually take over.
What and whose "system" are you referring to? They do not have a HC or OC..... Whoever put the prior "system" in place is gone.
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Has there ever been a player on a team that's benefited more from not playing with a fan base than Webb. The amount that this guy is substantially overrated is really something.
Also, I assume that you haven't watched any of Webb's 2016 game tape. No, not his 2016 highlight tape, but the actually films charting all of his throws. If you had, you'd realize comments 1 and 4 aren't even remotely accurate. He, in fact, cannot make all the throws, he is seriously flawed on throws consistently over 10 yards. There are way too many instances where his throws are closer to the opposing CB than his own receiver. He also has a tremendous amount of difficulty reading a defense. He will throw to his first read even if there is a CB directly on the route.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
So Lax where's the link to that film that charts all his throws? Or are a scout with access to ALL 22 tape? And btw I liked Kerry Collins.
YouTube has nearly all of his 2016 game films with all of his throws, they are 10 minute clips for the most part. Not hard to find. They are not highlight tapes, it is all of his throws.
It would be ideal to have two young quarterbacks competing for the job
Better chance to fine the right guy if there are two instead of one
In comment 13783486 Jolly Blue Giant said:
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Good job Chopper. Plus, they could ask Eli how has Webb progressed, what his needs still are, etc. Manning will know.
Webb may develop into a solid backup.
Could this be a play to get more picks from more desperate teams who think we will pick their QB? Could the conversation go something like this: hi Dave, look you have Eli and the Webb kid we need a QB and want to take (X) we would be willing to give you the following ( #,#,#,#). Dave replies: we really want that kid and it will take more than that offer- especially since the Jets, Bill (or whom ever) have offered us a sweeter deal.
Now to set the stage for that trade we have laid out the uncertainty of the skill set Webb has. Here's my take on why "WE" don't know how well Webb would do on Sunday's ... Since Webb came on board do you think he has been working out in an underground bunker? His every move/ throws/ steps has been tracked and evaluated. So the "WE" who don't know what we have is just we the fans and the rest if the NFL. The Giants organization know exactly what they have and aren't willing to share the info nor make his skills public.
That's my take on why Webb didn't see game action even during mop up time. I have to believe Gettleman is a good horse trader and he's been briefed on what we have. Additionally, wasn't DG the GM durning last years draft? So he should have a good understanding of Webb's numbers and production as a collegiate player. This is why I am letting DG set the stage for a good ol' fashion horse trade.
To horse trading- Dilly Dilly
Just my take...
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Has there ever been a player on a team that's benefited more from not playing with a fan base than Webb. The amount that this guy is substantially overrated is really something.
Also, I assume that you haven't watched any of Webb's 2016 game tape. No, not his 2016 highlight tape, but the actually films charting all of his throws. If you had, you'd realize comments 1 and 4 aren't even remotely accurate. He, in fact, cannot make all the throws, he is seriously flawed on throws consistently over 10 yards. There are way too many instances where his throws are closer to the opposing CB than his own receiver. He also has a tremendous amount of difficulty reading a defense. He will throw to his first read even if there is a CB directly on the route.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
So Lax where's the link to that film that charts all his throws? Or are a scout with access to ALL 22 tape? And btw I liked Kerry Collins.
YouTube has nearly all of his 2016 game films with all of his throws, they are 10 minute clips for the most part. Not hard to find. They are not highlight tapes, it is all of his throws.
No I did not watch all of his GAME TAPES, I read the scouting reports on the guy coming out. That is really all. But please, feel free to condescendingly presume that the only stuff I know about him is from highlight reels with hip hop or metal playing in the background.
I also kinda doubt you watched all of that film and even if you did, what qualifies your opinion to be more respected than that of people who are paid to write this stuff? I read that his flaws were:
1) playing in a spread offense
2) being robotic in his reads
3) had some trouble throwing to the sidelines
4)wasn't asked to throw downfield very much
Numbers 3 and 4 were the MAJOR reason why he dropped to the 3rd round.
Lastly, how exactly did I OVERRATE the guy? I did not rate him at all. I listed the reasons why some people were high on him and stated that he definitely has the measurables and apparently the work ethic to be a good NFL qb. If he stinks as a QB, how exactly is it going back to the QB quagmire of the 90s? We ELECTED to go with those guys instead of drafting the right guy. Webb fails after a year or two, we will draft another QB. Period. Yes, I want a QB. No I don't want to invest in a QB that we are tied to for 5 years and have to rely on him turning it around like the Rams had to deal with in Bradford and the Fins have to with Tannehill.
By the way, many of the flaws you highlighted (which fly in the face of many scouting reports) are fixable with the right coaching.
It would be ideal to have two young quarterbacks competing for the job
Better chance to fine the right guy if there are two instead of one
Joe, we finally agree, lol. But it makes way too much sense for this group.
Darnold, or trade down.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.) [/quote]
The irony here is that that parade of QBs was set off NOT by passing on a QB
It was actually set off by overdrafting Dave Brown with a first round pick, then throwing good money after bad.
(cutting Simms was also mixed into that equation)
The "haunting decision" was drafting a QB. not passing on one
carrry on ....
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
The irony here is that that parade of QBs was set off NOT by passing on a QB
It was actually set off by overdrafting Dave Brown with a first round pick, then throwing good money after bad.
(cutting Simms was also mixed into that equation)
The "haunting decision" was drafting a QB. not passing on one
carrry on .... [/quote]
Boom
Sort of like when the Chargers had a young Drew Brees (years back), weren't confident he could take the team all the way, and drafted Eli (who was immediately traded for Rivers)
Doesn't hurt to have competition and options at the most important position on the O.
Thats not the way I remember it. They had just gone 4-12 with Brees. The Chargers, being the Chargers blamed Brees, thought he was a bust and were in the process of running him out of town.
Very good comment. Eli is likely going nowhere’s. Nobody talks about drafting a quarterback this high and letting him sit all year and paying them big dollars. It could well happen; however, it’s not a good investment for the first year or maybe the second year. In my opinion, Eli is going nowhere’s and they still have a good team with him. The Oline is the problem.
Webb has also had a year in an NFL system.
In addition, it isn't Webb vs. Rosen, Darnold, or Allen. It's Webb plus the bevy of draft picks we get by trading down vs. Rosen, Darnold, or Allen.
I wouldn't be surprised if the Giants took a QB at #2. But people are acting is if it is or should be a given.
Agree. I love how people on this board think in absolutes.
If you want a QB, then move on from Eli and play the kid from the get go.
If you keep Eli, then plan to develop Webb as the backup, and take a blue chipper at 2 or trade down.
Having 3 QBs on the roster is not a good use of resources.
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Sort of like when the Chargers had a young Drew Brees (years back), weren't confident he could take the team all the way, and drafted Eli (who was immediately traded for Rivers)
Doesn't hurt to have competition and options at the most important position on the O.
Thats not the way I remember it. They had just gone 4-12 with Brees. The Chargers, being the Chargers blamed Brees, thought he was a bust and were in the process of running him out of town.
Except that Brees went 11-4 (sat out week 17) and 9-7 the next two years, and then Brees hurt his shoulder severely in week 17 of the 2005 season, and that gave the Chargers the opportunity to transition over to Rivers. IIRC, Brees was scheduled to be a FA anyway that offseason, so that's probably how it would have played out regardless, but there was no running out of town.
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We literally know nothing about Webb. They could draft Rosen and it's possible...remotely possible that Webb could end up being the better QB. But we have no idea right know.
Not to nitpick, but this is not accurate. Not in the LITERAL sense of knowing nothing about Webb.
We know:
1) That he has arm strength to make all the throws
2) That he picked up a new system at Cal very quickly
3) That he is apparently willing to put in the work...coming in very early to the facility and leaving later than most if not all the other players
4) Seemingly had good pocket awareness in college
That's not knowing NOTHING about Webb. I think it is more accurate to say that we LITERALLY KNOW NOTHING about how far Webb has developed over the course of this season.
Has there ever been a player on a team that's benefited more from not playing with a fan base than Webb. The amount that this guy is substantially overrated is really something.
Also, I assume that you haven't watched any of Webb's 2016 game tape. No, not his 2016 highlight tape, but the actually films charting all of his throws. If you had, you'd realize comments 1 and 4 aren't even remotely accurate. He, in fact, cannot make all the throws, he is seriously flawed on throws consistently over 10 yards. There are way too many instances where his throws are closer to the opposing CB than his own receiver. He also has a tremendous amount of difficulty reading a defense. He will throw to his first read even if there is a CB directly on the route.
I know we all want to believe Webb is the guy, but he has so many serious flaws that are not a tweak or two away from being fixed, to be a franchise qb. Passing on a qb because of him would be a decision that haunts this franchise for a decade (see Dave Brown, Kent Graham, Tommy Maddox, back to Kent Graham, Danny Kannell, and finally Kerry Collins.)
So Lax where's the link to that film that charts all his throws? Or are a scout with access to ALL 22 tape? And btw I liked Kerry Collins.
YouTube has nearly all of his 2016 game films with all of his throws, they are 10 minute clips for the most part. Not hard to find. They are not highlight tapes, it is all of his throws.
No I did not watch all of his GAME TAPES, I read the scouting reports on the guy coming out. That is really all. But please, feel free to condescendingly presume that the only stuff I know about him is from highlight reels with hip hop or metal playing in the background.
I also kinda doubt you watched all of that film and even if you did, what qualifies your opinion to be more respected than that of people who are paid to write this stuff? I read that his flaws were:
1) playing in a spread offense
2) being robotic in his reads
3) had some trouble throwing to the sidelines
4)wasn't asked to throw downfield very much
Numbers 3 and 4 were the MAJOR reason why he dropped to the 3rd round.
Lastly, how exactly did I OVERRATE the guy? I did not rate him at all. I listed the reasons why some people were high on him and stated that he definitely has the measurables and apparently the work ethic to be a good NFL qb. If he stinks as a QB, how exactly is it going back to the QB quagmire of the 90s? We ELECTED to go with those guys instead of drafting the right guy. Webb fails after a year or two, we will draft another QB. Period. Yes, I want a QB. No I don't want to invest in a QB that we are tied to for 5 years and have to rely on him turning it around like the Rams had to deal with in Bradford and the Fins have to with Tannehill.
By the way, many of the flaws you highlighted (which fly in the face of many scouting reports) are fixable with the right coaching.
So, you admit all you did was read the most glowing scouting reports without really seeing him play. Well, I watched the majority of Webb's films from 2016. My eyes qualify to make these judgments because it's not hard for a long time football fan to see this guys flaws. But I also read the majority of scouting reports that pegged him as nothing more than a backup.
Also, you make it seem like it's so easy to move up and get a qb. I guess if that was the case, a large portion of NFL teams wouldn't be struggling to find one.
I will point you to thread written by gidiefor on the wide gap between Webb and Darnold/Rosen for those of you looking for a more expansive analysis on what I've been claiming- entitled Value and Allen, Rosen, and Darnold.
First you presumedthat I was championing Webb as our next franchise QB (couldn't be more wrong there), now you are implying that I somehow insinuated that we could easily move up and draft one of Webb didn't work out.
As to these glowing reviews (yet another presumption on your part...more than annoying) that you are accusing me of seeking out, I simply googled his name and "scouting report" read the fir1st 4 or 5. Amazingly brazen of you to say that those don't mean shit because you know better "from watching all his film" (another annoying BBIism).
I applaud your fastidious approach to getting your info if true, but roll my eyes at the way you dismiss what I've read about him.
Who gives a fuck we are taking a QB this year any way.
You need a backup.
You never know how things will play out.
Look at RG3 and Cousins.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4r2qlYVDPA
Whoever comes here under these conditions better be able to either run for his life or continue to play the "dink & dunk" game Eli has been playing.
(I don't think the new Giants coach will be of the mind-set to continue the status quo, so that means a ticket for Eli out of town. what could Eli mentor him on - nothing; that guy would be playing a totally different game).
IF we had a top O-line (equal to Philly, Dallas or the Rams), and still intent on drafting a QB, I'd still give Eli a chance but if he stumbled I'd quickly switch to the best "STAND-AND-DELIVER" QB in this draft ...
Oklahoma State's' Mason Rudolph ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQiQBjBPFQw
This guy reminds me a lot of (you're going to hate this) - Tom Brady.