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From Up to the Minute Live: #Vikings OC Pat Shurmur is expected to be a finalist for the #AZCardinals, and he's a strong candidate for the #Giants, as well. Could have options.
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I think if Wilk's was the man they would've hired him by now considering his team is out of the playoffs and he already met with the entire Giants FO.
Rumblings are that he wants too much control and that he prefers the Colts.
And was very poor in STL.
Well this offense is broken. He certainly looks the part of a Giants HC.
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He was a fiasco. He was their McAdoo, and yet he still has the stones to demand total control? Lulz.
And was very poor in STL.
I also don't want him here. Coaching failures aside, I just hate his face. Lol.
Seriously tho, the lack of control he had in Denver was alarming. In NE he didnt have to worry about discpline because they had the threat of Belichick sending them to a concentration camp. He reminds me a lot of an offensive version of Jim SChwartz.
Shurmur seems to have the right demeanor to lead a team and delegate to his coaches. I am intrigued about smarty pants Patricia so much that I am willing to put aside his lack of HC experience.
Doesn't sound silly at all Robbie. He is my favorite choice. He has a track record with coaching QBs and ones with different skill sets at that. He has a significant coaching background with some proven success as well as not shying away from huge challenges (CLE HC job, Rams OC after the stunk with McD). He seems like he has a "HC air" about him...meaning he doesn't seem like a hot head, but is fiery enough to get into the game.
Would be thrilled with Shurmur. Have to wonder if it makes him a favorite of the Giants given the uncertainty of which QB will be available at 2. If Cleveland takes Darnold and the Giants aren't into Rosen, the Giants can trade back and even take their QB in Rd. 2 and let him compete with Webb in camp. Talk about being in a good spot to select your next QB of the future....it's harder to whiff on two than one right?
Why? 2 of the 3 seasons Spags has been back. The Giants have been last in defense in the NFC. They need to completely move on from him
Thanks TLG I hope that he is the choice. Let's just hope that he brings in a great DC. I was hoping for Gus Bradley but he re-signed with the Chargers.
Sign me up for Shurmur however. I think he’s smart on the X and O stuff but has football savvy that a HC needs and McAdoo clearly didn’t have. Shurmur is well versed on all three phases so I have no doubt he’d be able to help execute and have a team that embodies what Mara and Gettleman want from the team.
What difference does it make whether the head coach is a defensive guy or an offensive guy? Head Coaches aren't the ones working with quarterbacks at the developmental level. Their job is managing the people that do. It's the QB coach and the OC who are responsible for this.
That's a good point. I wouldn't discount either of the NE coordinators just yet. McDaniels has the prior HC experience regardless of how it turned out given he was the youngest coach in the NFL at 31.
Imagine if Patricia chooses Detroit, Shurmur AZ and McDaniels Indy. BBI will meltdown. LOL.
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we need to develop a QB. The best way to take this franchise into the future is to develop a QB whether that is Webb, a rookie, or both. To me, Shurmur has the track record there. As much as Patricia is interesting and Wilks has that command the room presence, do we know that either one of these guys can be trusted with the developing a QB? That is the main reason coaches get fired. And don't give me McAdoo. He never developed anybody.
What difference does it make whether the head coach is a defensive guy or an offensive guy? Head Coaches aren't the ones working with quarterbacks at the developmental level. Their job is managing the people that do. It's the QB coach and the OC who are responsible for this.
It absolutely matters. Yes, you hire your QB coach and your OC but that is his speciality which means not only does he know how to do it but he is also looking for the right person for the job. And you can bet your ass that it will be a major focus in coaches meetings to make sure the necessary steps are taking place.
Now some of you want to let him try to lead a whole team.
just a random thought and probably far fetched but the thought he is a shoe in for INDY but we haven't heard anything about him really in terms of giants or other jobs for mcdaniels.
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just a random thought and probably far fetched but the thought he is a shoe in for INDY but we haven't heard anything about him really in terms of giants or other jobs for mcdaniels.
Depends if he's asked back for a second interview or not I suppose.
Now some of you want to let him try to lead a whole team.
Just not true at all. He did not lose control of the defense.
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we need to develop a QB. The best way to take this franchise into the future is to develop a QB whether that is Webb, a rookie, or both. To me, Shurmur has the track record there. As much as Patricia is interesting and Wilks has that command the room presence, do we know that either one of these guys can be trusted with the developing a QB? That is the main reason coaches get fired. And don't give me McAdoo. He never developed anybody.
What difference does it make whether the head coach is a defensive guy or an offensive guy? Head Coaches aren't the ones working with quarterbacks at the developmental level. Their job is managing the people that do. It's the QB coach and the OC who are responsible for this.
It absolutely matters. Yes, you hire your QB coach and your OC but that is his speciality which means not only does he know how to do it but he is also looking for the right person for the job. And you can bet your ass that it will be a major focus in coaches meetings to make sure the necessary steps are taking place.
If they hire a defensive head coach, they're absolutely going to make a decision on offensive staff as a franchise, or at minimum with Gettleman involved. They won't give that responsibility to a first time head coach. They're not just going to potentially take a QB 2nd overall and let their newbie HC do whatever he wants. Just like McAdoo didn't get to hire his own assistants.
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we need to develop a QB. The best way to take this franchise into the future is to develop a QB whether that is Webb, a rookie, or both. To me, Shurmur has the track record there. As much as Patricia is interesting and Wilks has that command the room presence, do we know that either one of these guys can be trusted with the developing a QB? That is the main reason coaches get fired. And don't give me McAdoo. He never developed anybody.
What difference does it make whether the head coach is a defensive guy or an offensive guy? Head Coaches aren't the ones working with quarterbacks at the developmental level. Their job is managing the people that do. It's the QB coach and the OC who are responsible for this.
That's not accurate. A good HC is going to spend whatever time he thinks is necessary in every area, and if he thinks he can add value to QB development you can bet your ass that is where he should spend time.
He is? lol
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we need to develop a QB. The best way to take this franchise into the future is to develop a QB whether that is Webb, a rookie, or both. To me, Shurmur has the track record there. As much as Patricia is interesting and Wilks has that command the room presence, do we know that either one of these guys can be trusted with the developing a QB? That is the main reason coaches get fired. And don't give me McAdoo. He never developed anybody.
What difference does it make whether the head coach is a defensive guy or an offensive guy? Head Coaches aren't the ones working with quarterbacks at the developmental level. Their job is managing the people that do. It's the QB coach and the OC who are responsible for this.
That's not accurate. A good HC is going to spend whatever time he thinks is necessary in every area, and if he thinks he can add value to QB development you can bet your ass that is where he should spend time.
Sure. But in the context of hiring a defensive-minded head coach, you wouldn't expect that he's going to be heavily involved in the day to day work with a QB. He has a team to run. It would be a different story if they were hiring a guy who worked with QBs before. My point is hiring a defensive coordinator to a head coaching position is in no way a commentary on where they're leaning in the draft nor should it be. Even Tom Coughlin, an offense guy, made it a point to make sure he had good assistants to work with Eli during his formative years.
I think it should play a big factor in who the Giants decide because I would lean towards a HC with strong QB development skills (if able) with the stage the franchise is currently in.
Not saying disregard the others but if i was making out my scorecard, experience working with QBs has to be near the top.
Eli is a goner...get with the program.
No he’s not
Would be thrilled with Shurmur. Have to wonder if it makes him a favorite of the Giants given the uncertainty of which QB will be available at 2. If Cleveland takes Darnold and the Giants aren't into Rosen, the Giants can trade back and even take their QB in Rd. 2 and let him compete with Webb in camp. Talk about being in a good spot to select your next QB of the future....it's harder to whiff on two than one right?
Shurmur actually preceded McDaniels as OC in St. Louis, but he was statistically superior. In fact, all but 10 offenses in the history of the NFL were statistically superior to the offense that McDaniels trotted out there with the Rams.
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but this year he lost control of a defense. He couldn’t lead a defense without enough veteran leaders.
Now some of you want to let him try to lead a whole team.
Just not true at all. He did not lose control of the defense.
Which side of the ball were all the suspensions on?
Doesn't sound silly it makes a lot of sense. I'm ok with Patricia or shurmur. Gotta figure it's down to those two if belichick isn't coming here....sorry I have to incorporate my ridiculous pipe dream. There's a chance but the pats need to lose this weekend!
lol spags? Ok...
just a random thought and probably far fetched but the thought he is a shoe in for INDY but we haven't heard anything about him really in terms of giants or other jobs for mcdaniels.
The whole pats nyg coaching carousel thing is very weird. I'm not afraid to believe that something weird is going on up there. I still think there's a chance belichick comes here. Call me bat shit crazy.. I am.. but sometimes bat shit crazy comes true!
I can't remember how it works with a soon to be first time head coach still working elsewhere as an assistant gets hired during his postseason run. Does everyone know about the hire? We all knew the ATL OC was definitely headed to SF DURING last year's playoff run. One would think we'd definitely know something by now or latest this Monday, right?
That's why I want the pats to lose this weekend. If there's any chance at bill coming here the pats need to lose asap, id think. who knows....
I just hope if the Giants have conviction about one above the rest, they go all out to lock him down, and don’t dilly dally with some Saban or Belichick pipe dream that leads us to miss out on our guy
No, I don't think that. I just object to the idea that when you have a selection of potential head coaches that aren't, by resume, a clear-cut slam dunk, that you go with the offensive guy because you have to develop a QB.
That's why they hire specialists. It's important that they hire the right people, not necessarily that the head coach himself needs to have a background in developing quarterbacks. Some of the most successful QB-Coach combinations are defensive head coaches. Shula-Marino, Jimmy Johnson-Aikman, Chuck Noll-Terry Bradshaw, Belichick-Brady.
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The QB whisperer. He would be a great coach with the developing of a drafted QB to replace Eli over time.