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Is Damon Harrison the best NYG DT of the modern era?

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/11/2018 5:07 pm
In all of the drama of the past couple of years, I feel Snacks Harrison's story has been lost a bit. In my opinion, I don't think I've witnessed a Giants' defensive tackle as dominant as him. He has 162 tackles in two years... and these are not of the downfield variety. I would argue he was the best player on the team in 2017 and certainly was in the conversation in 2016 (with Odell and Landon).

Keith Hamilton is the only one I can think of who comes close. He was a mean enforcer who could rush the passer, but I see Harrison as an All-Pro type lineman.

It's really remarkable story. The guy wasn't drafted and the Jets let him go in free agency.
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Rosey Grier was damn good (depending upon what you call  
yatqb : 1/11/2018 9:17 pm : link
"the modern era"). In more recent times Snacks is the best.
RE: Rosey Grier was damn good (depending upon what you call  
Greg from LI : 1/11/2018 9:36 pm : link
In comment 13784021 yatqb said:
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"the modern era"). In more recent times Snacks is the best.


Generally understood as the Super Bowl era
How did he not make the pro bowl?  
BlueHurricane : 1/11/2018 10:00 pm : link
I know the game sucks but still. The fact he isn’t a pro bowl starter is insane
great point  
Andrew in Austin : 1/11/2018 10:28 pm : link
I was thinking about this the other day. I love watching Beckham highlights, Collins highlights, now have some w/ Shepard and Engram. But the guy that literally brought it in every single game is Harrison. What a great FA acquisition. No matter how shitty the team was around him, he produced and brought it. Great mentor and example for Dalvin as well.

Personally I agree that he is the best NYG DT of the modern era.
RE: I'm tired of the Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/11/2018 11:31 pm : link
In comment 13783899 SMitch2 said:
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Giving away hi-quality, hi-draft picks that they develop only to have to replace them with another high draft pick or big $$$. And then watch those other guys go on to long and highly productive careers.

Linval was the worst, but also:

Hankins ( we'll see)
Barry coffield
Cornelius griffin.


Cofield wouldn't fit that description. He played three more years after walking from the giants.
9 sacks, 52 tackles in 51 Redskins game. Nothing to write home about. Griffin was legit. Linval went to Minnesota and became a far better player than he ever was here.


Think about the jets... lol  
whozzat : 1/12/2018 12:28 am : link
Sinking their money into two knuckleheads on the d-line who underperformed and dragged the team down, while Snacks plays as well as any dt in the league the last two years. They could have built around him and Leonard Williams, and saved their money, and maybe traded the two knuckleheads... I know, hindsight... but you'd think they'd have had a little more insight into the personalities involved.

I think so  
Rong5611 : 1/12/2018 8:25 am : link
These are the best I can think of:

Harrison
Hamilton
Howard
Mendenhall was also a standout on some awful teams. Troy Archer was very good as well, talented.
Mendenhall was actually my first "favorite Giant."  
Beezer : 1/12/2018 8:38 am : link

I'd mention Jim Burt in this conversation. Not better than Snacks. But tough as hell.
RE: Mendenhall was actually my first  
NNJ Tom : 1/12/2018 8:41 am : link
In comment 13784279 Beezer said:
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I'd mention Jim Burt in this conversation. Not better than Snacks. But tough as hell.


Based on Madden mentions alone, Burt should be in HOF.
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Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 8:42 am : link
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he eats offensive lineman -- there's two or more on him on every play, and he still manages to shack them and chase after the QB

I don't get why he's not thought of as a pass rusher -- because he rushes and pressures the passer often

The real shame is that our d-ends have really not taken maximum advantage of him



I remember a play or two where Snacks engaged a double and knocked an OL to the ground with one arm.

I really want to know why we had such a hard time getting a rush from outside with this guy and Tomlinson in the middle.


Because JPP sucks and Vernon is overrated and overpaid.
Snacks is right up there. Hamilton comes to mind for sure.  
Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 8:45 am : link
How do you fairly rate the 3-4 2-gap guys though? Howard and Burt were physically dominating NTs. Marshall could 2-gap (a DT role in the 3-4 vs. the run) but also get to the passer.

Troy Archer is a "what might have been". Mendenhall great but more of a speed guy.
I know it was a different timer, a differfent game,  
Beezer : 1/12/2018 8:52 am : link
but Mendenhall was 6-1, 255. Granted, it's distributed slightly differently lol, but it's amazing that I'm a bit taller and a bit heavier. Crazy that he clogged NFL lines at that weight.
Harrison by far...  
x meadowlander : 1/12/2018 9:05 am : link
...he's the only DT the Giants have EVER had who is often the best player on the field, period. Hall of Fame worthy, I believe.

The Giants haven't had another as good as him - Hamilton, Mendenhall, Howard, etc - all great players, but Harrison is HOF, IMO.
RE: Snacks is awesome but Linval is on another level.  
section125 : 1/12/2018 9:15 am : link
In comment 13783883 NYGmen58 said:
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If comparing their Giants careers, Snacks has been a better Giant, but he’s nowhere near the DT that Joseph is.


Linval Joseph is very good, but Snacks is very much better.
RE: I know it was a different timer, a differfent game,  
Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 13784304 Beezer said:
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but Mendenhall was 6-1, 255. Granted, it's distributed slightly differently lol, but it's amazing that I'm a bit taller and a bit heavier. Crazy that he clogged NFL lines at that weight.


yep. Alan Page played at 225 later in his career
Without Erik Howard, the Giants don't make it to SB XXV  
Bluenatic : 1/12/2018 9:22 am : link
It was Howard who forced the Roger Craig fumble that LT recovered that led to the game-winning FG in the Championship Game in SF.
RE: Mendenhall was actually my first  
RinR : 1/12/2018 9:32 am : link
In comment 13784279 Beezer said:
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I'd mention Jim Burt in this conversation. Not better than Snacks. But tough as hell.


Was a big fan Burt when he was with the Giants but he dropped several notches after his hit on Hostetler in the 1990 NFCC game.
pro-bowl and all-pro snubs this year...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/12/2018 10:07 am : link
were a joke. He's definitely the best run-stopper in the league right now (imo) and clearly the Giants best DT since at least Hamilton as well.

What an upgrade too over Kuhn.
on a side note  
bc4life : 1/12/2018 10:12 am : link
I think we are going to be very happy with the youngster playing alongside him. Just need that 3rd rotation guy
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Snacks : 1/12/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13784284 Victor in CT said:
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he eats offensive lineman -- there's two or more on him on every play, and he still manages to shack them and chase after the QB

I don't get why he's not thought of as a pass rusher -- because he rushes and pressures the passer often

The real shame is that our d-ends have really not taken maximum advantage of him



I remember a play or two where Snacks engaged a double and knocked an OL to the ground with one arm.

I really want to know why we had such a hard time getting a rush from outside with this guy and Tomlinson in the middle.



Because JPP sucks and Vernon is overrated and overpaid.


Kind of funny that the GM who signed DH (brilliant) also signed JPP and Vernon (dumb from the looks of things so far).
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Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 10:32 am : link
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he eats offensive lineman -- there's two or more on him on every play, and he still manages to shack them and chase after the QB

I don't get why he's not thought of as a pass rusher -- because he rushes and pressures the passer often

The real shame is that our d-ends have really not taken maximum advantage of him



I remember a play or two where Snacks engaged a double and knocked an OL to the ground with one arm.

I really want to know why we had such a hard time getting a rush from outside with this guy and Tomlinson in the middle.



Because JPP sucks and Vernon is overrated and overpaid.



Kind of funny that the GM who signed DH (brilliant) also signed JPP and Vernon (dumb from the looks of things so far).


It's what happens when you're forced to go FA out of desperation. You pay All-Pro $$ to good but not great players.
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Snacks : 1/12/2018 10:48 am : link
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he eats offensive lineman -- there's two or more on him on every play, and he still manages to shack them and chase after the QB

I don't get why he's not thought of as a pass rusher -- because he rushes and pressures the passer often

The real shame is that our d-ends have really not taken maximum advantage of him



I remember a play or two where Snacks engaged a double and knocked an OL to the ground with one arm.

I really want to know why we had such a hard time getting a rush from outside with this guy and Tomlinson in the middle.



Because JPP sucks and Vernon is overrated and overpaid.



Kind of funny that the GM who signed DH (brilliant) also signed JPP and Vernon (dumb from the looks of things so far).



It's what happens when you're forced to go FA out of desperation. You pay All-Pro $$ to good but not great players.


And why was there desperation? Because of his poor drafts. (Injuries didn't help)
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Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 10:58 am : link
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he eats offensive lineman -- there's two or more on him on every play, and he still manages to shack them and chase after the QB

I don't get why he's not thought of as a pass rusher -- because he rushes and pressures the passer often

The real shame is that our d-ends have really not taken maximum advantage of him



I remember a play or two where Snacks engaged a double and knocked an OL to the ground with one arm.

I really want to know why we had such a hard time getting a rush from outside with this guy and Tomlinson in the middle.



Because JPP sucks and Vernon is overrated and overpaid.



Kind of funny that the GM who signed DH (brilliant) also signed JPP and Vernon (dumb from the looks of things so far).



It's what happens when you're forced to go FA out of desperation. You pay All-Pro $$ to good but not great players.



And why was there desperation? Because of his poor drafts. (Injuries didn't help)


Yes. Poor drafts are the cause.
RE: Spider  
njm : 1/12/2018 10:58 am : link
In comment 13783639 Eric from BBI said:
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Mendenhall is on our all-time BBI list (the one Larry put together). He was a bit before my time however.


Mendenhall was smaller, quicker and a better pass rusher. Nowhere near the run stuffer Snacks is. Come to think of it, they would have been perfect compliments to each other as a starting DT combo.
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