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How would our cap look with Case Keenum in and Eli out?

Emlen'sGremlins : 1/11/2018 8:06 pm
With Shurmur being a finalist for the Giants head coach position and insisting on bringing his current starting QB with him wherever he goes, what would this mean to our cap situation in 2018 and beyond?
its not happening  
CGiants07 : 1/11/2018 8:09 pm : link
elis cap ramifications make it 100% he is on the roster next year
No HC..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2018 8:10 pm : link
is going to insist to bring his QB with him.

Where do some of you people come up with this shit?? Cutting Eli results in a lot of dead cap room, so it isn't going to happen.
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yankees78 : 1/11/2018 8:11 pm : link
yuck
Limerick Guy says that Shurmur is the favorite....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/11/2018 8:12 pm : link
....that he blew the Giants brass away, but that he also insists on Kennum being his QB.
RE: its not happening  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/11/2018 8:13 pm : link
In comment 13783932 CGiants07 said:
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elis cap ramifications make it 100% he is on the roster next year


Thatís not true at all.
I meant to say that multiple sources have stated that Shurmur....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/11/2018 8:14 pm : link
....is informing teams that Keenum needs to be his starting QB wherever he goes.
RE: I meant to say that multiple sources have stated that Shurmur....  
BleedBlue : 1/11/2018 8:17 pm : link
In comment 13783946 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....is informing teams that Keenum needs to be his starting QB wherever he goes.


Lmao why would shurmur do this? Jeez fuck that guy...he has to be dumb as shit. CK isn't THAT good. Dude acting like he carries Tom Brady around. Sorry but anyone insisting on keenum isn't qualified to coach my team lma
RE: I meant to say that multiple sources have stated that Shurmur....  
Reb8thVA : 1/11/2018 8:18 pm : link
In comment 13783946 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....is informing teams that Keenum needs to be his starting QB wherever he goes.


Thatís ridiculous. He doesnít have the track record to make those demands. Any GM worth his salt would simply say thank you for playing and as a consolation prize he is the home version of our TV game show and a year supply of rice a roni
He's not..  
FatMan in Charlotte : 1/11/2018 8:19 pm : link
making those demands which shows us exactly how clueless so many people are about the search.

"I'd love the job, but if I go, you have to take Case".

Nobody is saying those words with a straight fucking face
RE: its not happening  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
In comment 13783932 CGiants07 said:
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elis cap ramifications make it 100% he is on the roster next year

That's not at all accurate, but Keenum + the dead money on Eli's contract would be a tough hit. If they cut/trade Eli, it's because they're going young at QB (maybe with a cheap one-year bridge), not because they're going to flip over to a different full-price QB.
Heís not insisting  
jeff57 : 1/11/2018 8:21 pm : link
The surest way not to get hired would be to do something like that.
Canít  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/11/2018 8:22 pm : link
Minnesota put the franchise tag on him?

Kinda puts a chink in the armor of Patís dumbass thought
I dont think he would insit if he had  
Dankbeerman : 1/11/2018 8:23 pm : link
the 2nd pick and could get his pick of qb. He may stick to Keenum in arizona but not likely i this situation. Also not sure if he is a candidate in Indy or Det but they wony brimh Keenum in either.

I do see Shurmur as a great fit with Mayfeild, who I want no part in at #2
RE: I meant to say that multiple sources have stated that Shurmur....  
jeff57 : 1/11/2018 8:23 pm : link
In comment 13783946 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....is informing teams that Keenum needs to be his starting QB wherever he goes.


Thatís not true either. It was mentioned with Arizona because they donít have a QB. And nowhere did it say that he demanded it.
Guys  
BleedBlue : 1/11/2018 8:24 pm : link
Shurmur would be a fucking moron to tie keenum to his job status...it's not happening.

Seriously who would say I'll take the job making millions if you take my dogshit forever a backup QB and cut your veteran two time super bowl winner QB like get serious....Mara would be like...um see that wooden thing with the handle, ya walk through that ttyl
So, the new HC can have  
section125 : 1/11/2018 8:36 pm : link
Eli or Case Keenum and he'll chose Keenum?

That is grounds for moving to the next guy. I've been tough on Eli the past two years, too inconsistent in his play. But I'd rather have Eli.
don't Case Keenum and the Vikes have a say  
bluepepper : 1/11/2018 8:43 pm : link
in where he plays next year? He's broken out in Minny, why would he want to leave? And wouldn't they want to keep him especially if they do some damage in the post-season? Sam Bradford just ain't very good and it's still doubtful whether Bridgewater is ever the same again.
RE: No HC..  
mrvax : 1/11/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13783939 FatMan in Charlotte said:
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is going to insist to bring his QB with him.

Where do some of you people come up with this shit?? Cutting Eli results in a lot of dead cap room, so it isn't going to happen.



Pretty sure cutting Eli now (not happening) results in $10M dead money and $10M in cap savings for 2018. Case Keenum made $2M last year. Who knows how much he gets in 2018?
RE: RE: No HC..  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/11/2018 8:49 pm : link
In comment 13783996 mrvax said:
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is going to insist to bring his QB with him.

Where do some of you people come up with this shit?? Cutting Eli results in a lot of dead cap room, so it isn't going to happen.




Pretty sure cutting Eli now (not happening) results in $10M dead money and $10M in cap savings for 2018. Case Keenum made $2M last year. Who knows how much he gets in 2018?

It's a safe bet to say more than $10MM, at least in AAV terms.
If Keenum makes a deep run in the playoffs and possibly a SB  
Peppers : 1/11/2018 8:50 pm : link
Appearance, he's not making it out of Minny. They'll tag him.


This is all speculation.

RE: Limerick Guy says that Shurmur is the favorite....  
robbieballs2003 : 1/11/2018 9:08 pm : link
In comment 13783943 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....that he blew the Giants brass away, but that he also insists on Kennum being his QB.


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I said this the other day and will repeat it here††

ThatLimerickGuy†: 6:04 pm :†link†:†reply

Word around the NFL agent circles is that Shurmur knocked the pants off of the Giants brass in his interview. He is seen as the favorite.



Did he really write that or are you just making shit up?
I have a feeling that Eli is taking a pay cut.  
Andy in Boston : 1/11/2018 9:12 pm : link
just my opinion.
Eli taking a pay cut  
81_Great_Dane : 1/12/2018 12:21 am : link
might help his 2019 cap hit somewhat, but his signing bonus is still prorated over the entire contract, and can't be reduced.
If this guy is  
tomjgiant : 1/12/2018 12:46 am : link
stupid enough to want Case Keenum to be the QB over Eli Manning then he is not smart enough to be the Head Coach.
Can someone post a link to an actual source making this  
mfsd : 1/12/2018 12:53 am : link
Schurmur/Keemun claim? Iíve seen it talked about here, but canít find it verified anywhere
RE: Can someone post a link to an actual source making this  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 1:27 am : link
In comment 13784163 mfsd said:
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Schurmur/Keemun claim? Iíve seen it talked about here, but canít find it verified anywhere


https://www.northjersey.com/story/sports/nfl/giants/2018/01/02/giants-coaching-tracker-where-search-stands-day-2/995330001/


The candidate who made the biggest leap during the interview process in relation to where he may have stood before entering the room is Vikings offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur. A source says Shurmur's presentation opened some eyes, and what has previously been reported by several outlets appears to be accurate: he would like to bring pending free agent quarterback Case Keenum to whichever team he goes. That might not make the most sense for the Giants, who have the Eli Manning situation still to deal with, rookie quarterback Davis Webb entering Year 2 and the possibilities with the No. 2 overall pick.



Likely is the not the same thing as insisting  
jeff57 : 1/12/2018 5:01 am : link
Or saying, if you want me you have to take Keenum.
If the Giants do move away from Eli  
RetroJint : 1/12/2018 6:52 am : link
the most likely scenario would be a one-year patch, transition quarterback . Iím not sure what Keenumís market will be. He will get more than a year, though . One year deals donít fetch you very much unless you are in a tag situation like the Redskins were the last couple of seasons.

Everyone speaks of the ďGiants way.Ē If Gettleman follows that hackneyed calculus, he will attempt to prop up Eli through an offense-heavy acquisition process that does not include drafting a quarterback . I dread that, but it is very possible . Iíd prefer another 3-4 win season, if necessary, to accumulate more talent and remedy this thing instead of papering over it.

You do realize that Case Keenum is 29????  
Brown Recluse : 1/12/2018 7:00 am : link
Why would the Giants scrap one QB in the twilight of his career in order to sign another QB just entering his?

Think about it.
Point being...  
Brown Recluse : 1/12/2018 7:02 am : link
at his age, Keenum is not a long term solution.
Eli  
Rong5611 : 1/12/2018 8:13 am : link
If he leaves, its to Jacksonville (Denver?) or someone who's a decent QB away from competing for the SB.

Perhaps there's a sign & trade deal negotiated that limits our cap hit that could be constructed.
RE: Eli  
Diver_Down : 1/12/2018 8:30 am : link
In comment 13784239 Rong5611 said:
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If he leaves, its to Jacksonville (Denver?) or someone who's a decent QB away from competing for the SB.

Perhaps there's a sign & trade deal negotiated that limits our cap hit that could be constructed.


To your last point, it is not possible. If another team wants to give Mara some extra cash to offset the expense of the remaining amortized signing bonus, I suppose it is possible, but Mara isn't hurting for cash. To mitigate the cap hit is not possible. The contract is what it is. A team can't transfer the cap hit to another team. They can't wish it away.

If Eli is traded before March 16, the dead cap hit is $12.4M. If Eli is traded after March 16, the dead cap hit is $17.4M. There is no way to ease the cap hit.
cap would look disastrous, offense might look worse.  
Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 8:52 am : link
Keenum just had his big "Ryan Fitzpatrick year". I doubt he has another. He may very well turn into pumpkin by Sunday.
RE: cap would look disastrous, offense might look worse.  
Brown Recluse : 1/12/2018 8:56 am : link
In comment 13784307 Victor in CT said:
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Keenum just had his big "Ryan Fitzpatrick year". I doubt he has another. He may very well turn into pumpkin by Sunday.


I agree. He had a good year but its not as if he threw 40 TD passes. Now he's the hottest thing since sliced bread.

I think he is going to level off very soon.
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christian : 1/12/2018 9:03 am : link
Keenum is not a guy you build a foundation around, but the market for good quarterbacks is still pretty rich.

He's perfect for a team decent qb play away from getting to the next level.

Minnesota, Jacksonville, Buffalo, and maybe Phill.
several articles on Eli's deal  
NYG007 : 1/12/2018 10:21 am : link
Its a disaster. Only hope is he takes a pay cut (not a fake one where all the money backs us up into 2021). However, he is not going anyway due to the dead money hit. Its a min of 12.5 this year if they cut him and money next year.

Eli should take a paycut - no way his cap hit is worth 22.5 million. He is simply no where close to that level of pay for his play anymore.

oh stop with the cap hits  
djm : 1/12/2018 10:43 am : link
and Eli taking a pay cut crap. The guy has been in the league for 100 years now. He's not taking a pay cut. Starting QBs get paid! Just fucking deal with it.
RE: several articles on Eli's deal  
Vinny from Danbury : 1/12/2018 1:36 pm : link
In comment 13784475 NYG007 said:
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Its a disaster. Only hope is he takes a pay cut (not a fake one where all the money backs us up into 2021). However, he is not going anyway due to the dead money hit. Its a min of 12.5 this year if they cut him and money next year.

Eli should take a paycut - no way his cap hit is worth 22.5 million. He is simply no where close to that level of pay for his play anymore.


I take it you've told your employer you'll take less money so they can hire more people?
This is totally ridiculous  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/12/2018 4:44 pm : link
If Shurmur wants Keenum as his starter instead of Eli Manning then he should be fired form his current coaching job with the Vikings. He is not qualified to be a HC or OC. Kerry Collins was a better QB than Keenum.
He had a nice year  
Thegratefulhead : 1/12/2018 6:10 pm : link
not bad
DVOA  
Thegratefulhead : 1/12/2018 6:11 pm : link
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/qb
RE: RE: several articles on Eli's deal  
Giantslifer : 1/12/2018 6:36 pm : link
In comment 13784816 Vinny from Danbury said:
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Its a disaster. Only hope is he takes a pay cut (not a fake one where all the money backs us up into 2021). However, he is not going anyway due to the dead money hit. Its a min of 12.5 this year if they cut him and money next year.

Eli should take a paycut - no way his cap hit is worth 22.5 million. He is simply no where close to that level of pay for his play anymore.




I take it you've told your employer you'll take less money so they can hire more people?


If I had made over 200MM and I knew I was going to be replaced soon, I would have a decision- Do I want to help these people ? Re structure my deal so they can move along and win in future? OR Do I tell them - Give me my money - Good luck. We'll see who the real Eli is SOON
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Diver_Down : 1/12/2018 6:50 pm : link
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Its a disaster. Only hope is he takes a pay cut (not a fake one where all the money backs us up into 2021). However, he is not going anyway due to the dead money hit. Its a min of 12.5 this year if they cut him and money next year.

Eli should take a paycut - no way his cap hit is worth 22.5 million. He is simply no where close to that level of pay for his play anymore.




I take it you've told your employer you'll take less money so they can hire more people?



If I had made over 200MM and I knew I was going to be replaced soon, I would have a decision- Do I want to help these people ? Re structure my deal so they can move along and win in future? OR Do I tell them - Give me my money - Good luck. We'll see who the real Eli is SOON


It's nice to tell others what they should do with their future earnings. You want Eli to play for $500K - $3.5M.
Eli Please Play for Free - ( New Window )
RE: RE: RE: RE: several articles on Eli's deal  
Giantslifer : 1/12/2018 7:09 pm : link
In comment 13785255 Diver_Down said:
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Its a disaster. Only hope is he takes a pay cut (not a fake one where all the money backs us up into 2021). However, he is not going anyway due to the dead money hit. Its a min of 12.5 this year if they cut him and money next year.

Eli should take a paycut - no way his cap hit is worth 22.5 million. He is simply no where close to that level of pay for his play anymore.




I take it you've told your employer you'll take less money so they can hire more people?



If I had made over 200MM and I knew I was going to be replaced soon, I would have a decision- Do I want to help these people ? Re structure my deal so they can move along and win in future? OR Do I tell them - Give me my money - Good luck. We'll see who the real Eli is SOON



It's nice to tell others what they should do with their future earnings. You want Eli to play for $500K - $3.5M. Eli Please Play for Free - ( New Window )



The KEY word there is "I". I don't care what Eli does. If he wants to be remembered as the "team first" guy he claims, then he restructures. If he wants to be the Give me my money guy - he doesn't. Then I cut/trade him.
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