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wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 9:50 am
speculated, will he want a QB at the top of the draft? BB does his homework on QB's and drafts them with less draft capitol and developed good QB's. He also has had Brady for a long time, but he took Brady in round 6. I am not trying to say Patricia gets to make that decision if he is the new head coach. However he certainly would have input into the decision making process and some influence into how it will all unfold. Also BB is a guy with a history of trading down. Will that be an influence on Patricia's thinking too.
He was drafting backup  
pjcas18 : 1/12/2018 9:53 am : link
QB's in rounds where he thought they represented value (Ryan Mallett, Jimmy G, Brissett) not necessarily drafting a franchise QB. They've probably drafted 10 QB's during Brady's tenure, some as early as 2nd and 3rd round, but in almost every case it was because the player represented value where he drafted them, not necessarily because he envisioned any of them replacing Brady.

there is a big difference when you don't have pressure for the QB to start eventually (or ever).
If the Pats knew Brady was Brady  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/12/2018 9:54 am : link
They would have drafted him in the first. They had a quality QB already and drafted a development guy in the 6th. And they lucked out big time. That wasn't a strategy so much as winning the lottery.
RE: If the Pats knew Brady was Brady  
Zepp : 1/12/2018 9:58 am : link
In comment 13784426 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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They would have drafted him in the first. They had a quality QB already and drafted a development guy in the 6th. And they lucked out big time. That wasn't a strategy so much as winning the lottery.


No you dont draft a guy projected for the 6th or 7th round in round 1 even if you know for sure he is a hall of famer. Maybe 3rd or 4th just to be safe but not 1st.

They probably thought Brady could be a competent QB in the NFL and can be groomed and lucked into a hall of famer. That is a difference. If Patricia is confident that we can find QB's later and develop them with Eli's 2 years remaining then we won't be taken these shaky QBs early..thank god.
That would make Eli the wildcard because the Giants have a QB too!  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 9:58 am : link
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drafting QB's is a lot easier  
UConn4523 : 1/12/2018 10:01 am : link
when you have Brady at the helm for over 15 years. Come on with this thread...

BB has had some busts, by the way. Mallet was horrible.
I am not sure how...  
LarmerTJR : 1/12/2018 10:03 am : link
This draft has turned into a shakeup QB draft. At least 5 if not more are going in the first round and maybe the top 15. If this a shaky QB draft there hasnít been a solid one since 2004.
I think if your going to hire Patricia you have to get him some  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 10:03 am : link
linebackers. It can't be a 3 year process when the previous Head Coach got fired after 2 years.
One of Patricia's supposed strengths...  
Dan in the Springs : 1/12/2018 10:05 am : link
has been developing strong defenses with lesser resources. My guess as a first time head coach is that he will focus on creating culture and installing systems and allow DG to focus on talent acquisition. He's probably not spent enough time getting data on the prospects to feel a need to be the primary voice in the room on draft day.

Anyway, that's how I'd view it if I were him. Get me the best players - DG builds the team and I get them ready to play.
Never said they were shaky, just a matter of where will he want  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 10:08 am : link
to invest the teams draft capitol and how will he want to do that. Many DC's who are hired as head coach tend to build offense first. He could go that way too!
Yeah  
Rflairr : 1/12/2018 10:08 am : link
And Mangini was in the BB mold too.
RE: I am not sure how...  
Zepp : 1/12/2018 10:09 am : link
In comment 13784442 LarmerTJR said:
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This draft has turned into a shakeup QB draft. At least 5 if not more are going in the first round and maybe the top 15. If this a shaky QB draft there hasnít been a solid one since 2004.


Who cares? You know how many times lots of QBs have gone early and they're all either busts or pedestrian? Eli Mannings and classes like in 04 don't happen every year. Usually once in a generation. We are delusional if we think we are going to find the next Eli that easy. All these Eli haters are going to be in for a rude awakening when they see how hard it is to replace him.

These QB's have many question marks. The best move is to draft BPA, Barkley, and develop a QB.
Giants should make the guy who thought Brady was a 1st rounder  
Ivan15 : 1/12/2018 10:25 am : link
To be Ross replacement.
RE: RE: If the Pats knew Brady was Brady  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/12/2018 10:26 am : link
In comment 13784430 Zepp said:
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In comment 13784426 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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They would have drafted him in the first. They had a quality QB already and drafted a development guy in the 6th. And they lucked out big time. That wasn't a strategy so much as winning the lottery.



No you dont draft a guy projected for the 6th or 7th round in round 1 even if you know for sure he is a hall of famer. Maybe 3rd or 4th just to be safe but not 1st.

They probably thought Brady could be a competent QB in the NFL and can be groomed and lucked into a hall of famer. That is a difference. If Patricia is confident that we can find QB's later and develop them with Eli's 2 years remaining then we won't be taken these shaky QBs early..thank god.


You donít draft a guy who you know is gonna be a sure fire hall of fame player in the first round?

What in tarniations?
RE: RE: RE: If the Pats knew Brady was Brady  
armstead98 : 1/12/2018 10:31 am : link
In comment 13784494 McNally's_Nuts said:
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In comment 13784430 Zepp said:


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In comment 13784426 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:


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They would have drafted him in the first. They had a quality QB already and drafted a development guy in the 6th. And they lucked out big time. That wasn't a strategy so much as winning the lottery.



No you dont draft a guy projected for the 6th or 7th round in round 1 even if you know for sure he is a hall of famer. Maybe 3rd or 4th just to be safe but not 1st.

They probably thought Brady could be a competent QB in the NFL and can be groomed and lucked into a hall of famer. That is a difference. If Patricia is confident that we can find QB's later and develop them with Eli's 2 years remaining then we won't be taken these shaky QBs early..thank god.



You donít draft a guy who you know is gonna be a sure fire hall of fame player in the first round?

What in tarniations?


Lol, one of the dumber posts I've read.

I think he's trying to say, "If you've read the mock drafts and they usually have someone going in the 6th round, but they're wrong and it's the greatest QB of all time, you wait because all the other GMs only draft using mock drafts and are idiots so none of them know he's a hall of famer so you can wait because they're all dumb and or they all know he's supposed to go in the 6th round so won't take him high either."

Or something like that...
BB knows that you don't find or draft a franchise QB.  
Motley Two : 1/12/2018 10:32 am : link
You build them and create an environment where they can become a franchise QB.
Not sure you ever know someone is a surefire HOF.  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 10:36 am : link
The only guy I can remember who maybe fits that mold was O.J. Simpson in a different NFL than we have today.
If your scouts are projecting a guy for the 6th round and you know  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 10:40 am : link
he is a surefire HOF, than fire your scouts. You don't need them.
I think we're falling too much in love  
SHO'NUFF : 1/12/2018 11:11 am : link
with the BB mold. Nobody will be another BB.
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