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"Why Matt Patricia should do the unthinkable:choose Detroit

Mike in St. Louis : 1/12/2018 2:29 pm
over New York"....

this Yahoo columnist gives two primary reasons - Detroit has more talent, especially at QB, and ownership (the Fords) is much more forgiving in Detroit...

"The old joke is that football isn’t rocket science, which is why it shouldn’t take a rocket scientist to make this selection. A history major would take New York. A calm, cool contemplation of the available data, assets and information, though, points to the Lions."

"A little better coaching, a little more talent, a little more of a winning attitude and the Lions are not just a playoff team but a team that (gasp) could actually win a game in the playoffs. Any coach who delivers that – and just that – will be a hero in Detroit, where even moderate success is desperately sought. They’ve won nothing since 1992.

In New York, you need to reach Super Bowls, if not win them, which isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but sure feels a long way off and a long road to travel for a rookie coach."

"Look, the Giants are one of the most storied and iconic franchises in the NFL. New York is the biggest, most dynamic and exciting city in America.

The Lions are a forgettable laughingstock. The City of Detroit is admirably bootstrapping itself back to respectability but there remains a long way to go.

On reputation alone, this is simple. You run to New York and try to become the next Bill Parcells or Tom Coughlin.

Matt Patricia is an engineer, though, a self-described technology-geek who still favors the old-school pencil because of its reliability. He’s like nothing the NFL coaching world has ever seen.

Which is why he ought to solve an equation in a way no one in the NFL has ever before: Detroit & gt; New York."

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If Detroit is so forgiving..  
Sean : 1/12/2018 2:31 pm : link
why is Caldwell out of a job? Whose done better in Detroit than him?
RE: If Detroit is so forgiving..  
Joey from GlenCove : 1/12/2018 2:33 pm : link
In comment 13784894 Sean said:
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why is Caldwell out of a job? Whose done better in Detroit than him?


hes the best lions coach in the super bowl era. Agree this is horseshit

Patricia  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/12/2018 2:33 pm : link
Talks like he is from this area...in any event he certainly has that Parcells girth about him..call him Tuna light.
Detroit has more  
HoodieGelo : 1/12/2018 2:33 pm : link
talent on the roster than the Giants? lmao. I stopped reading after that nonsense.
An intriguing counterpoint  
regulator : 1/12/2018 2:34 pm : link
but the head coach of the NYG is instantly a higher-profile figure in the NFL than would be a successful DET coach. If Patricia seeks the counsel of his mentor, we also know how that conversation would go.
I can't blame him  
Butler : 1/12/2018 2:35 pm : link
It would be hard to resist the chance to join a franchise with such a rich championship history.
Since when do the Lions have more talent than the Giants?  
adamg : 1/12/2018 2:38 pm : link
Their defense alone is complete trash.
RE: Detroit has more  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2018 2:39 pm : link
In comment 13784899 HoodieGelo said:
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talent on the roster than the Giants? lmao. I stopped reading after that nonsense.


I mean they did thoroughly kick our ass before we were injury riddled.
I suppose the author forgot who he works for  
moespree : 1/12/2018 2:39 pm : link
Because I'm sure if he asks his advice on the two jobs, Belichick will trash the Giants and tell Patricia how terrible the owners and franchise is.
Matt, go to Detroit.  
Keith : 1/12/2018 2:40 pm : link
You are going to fail, but ownership is ok with it. It will probably help your career a ton to be a part of a losing organization for so long.
Detroit is severly lacking talent,  
Keith : 1/12/2018 2:41 pm : link
but they do have a franchise QB. Stafford is legit and he makes up for holes elsewhere, but they don't have a ton of talent around him, IMO.
RE: I suppose the author forgot who he works for  
YAJ2112 : 1/12/2018 2:41 pm : link
In comment 13784914 moespree said:
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Because I'm sure if he asks his advice on the two jobs, Belichick will trash the Giants and tell Patricia how terrible the owners and franchise is.


sarcasm?
RE: Matt, go to Detroit.  
adamg : 1/12/2018 2:43 pm : link
In comment 13784916 Keith said:
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You are going to fail, but ownership is ok with it. It will probably help your career a ton to be a part of a losing organization for so long.


Exactly. I imagine a guy who gave up a career as a rocket scientist to coach football has higher goals than being a mediocre coach in Detroit just because of the job security and losing culture.
The Fords  
ajr2456 : 1/12/2018 2:51 pm : link
Let Barry Sanders and Calvin Johnson rot on poor teams.
YahooSports - which pretty much says it all.  
Peter from NH (formerly CT) : 1/12/2018 2:51 pm : link
It always amazes me that something called Yahoo still exists.
Seriously???  
UberAlias : 1/12/2018 2:52 pm : link
Matthew Stafford has never won a division title or a playoff game for Christ sakes!
Completely ridiculous.  
DonQuixote : 1/12/2018 2:52 pm : link
...

of course, there they are admitting it is unthinkable in the title...

Ok honey,  
Tittle 9 20 64 : 1/12/2018 2:59 pm : link
If your parents want to see you and the grandkids frequently, they’ll have to move to Detroit.
Fun fact: the Lions have won ONE  
SFGFNCGiantsFan : 1/12/2018 3:02 pm : link
Playoff game since their last title in '57. ONE!
RE: Seriously???  
arcarsenal : 1/12/2018 3:07 pm : link
In comment 13784941 UberAlias said:
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Matthew Stafford has never won a division title or a playoff game for Christ sakes!


They would have if not for horrendous officiating against Dallas.

He isn't the problem there. He had a fantastic season.
Golden Tate is their number 1 WR  
Rflairr : 1/12/2018 3:07 pm : link
Enough said
yet another horse shit column  
Victor in CT : 1/12/2018 3:09 pm : link
ugh
LOL  
steve in ky : 1/12/2018 3:13 pm : link
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ownership (the Fords) is much more forgiving in Detroit..


Anyone believe if McAdoo had equaled Caldwell's success in Detroit in NY that Mara would have fired him?
yes  
djm : 1/12/2018 3:13 pm : link
a man who is at or near the very top of his profession, and has been working his entire life to be the very best--should take the easier route--take the road with less pressure.

IF the world worked that way we'd still be living in caves. More often than not the highly touted and highly successful HC candidate is going to take the bigger job.

Great article--except it should be written about someone who doesn't want to make a difference.
plus  
djm : 1/12/2018 3:15 pm : link
the best player on offense plays for the Giants and the best player on defense plays for the Giants. We also have a QB that has won multiple titles. And we have Snacks. And Vernon. And Jenkins. And Shepard.

The Lions aren't bad. Fun little team. I'd rather coach the Giants and wind up revered as a legend.
Garbage  
PaulN : 1/12/2018 3:17 pm : link
The Giant job is one of the elite jobs in the NFL, the Lions job is a horseshit job, they can't do anything even with a really good QB, it's a joke of a franchise and anyone who would choose them needs to stay the fuck away from here anyway. Patricia does not come off as that type.
RE: Golden Tate is their number 1 WR  
BocaGiants91 : 1/12/2018 3:19 pm : link
In comment 13784970 Rflairr said:
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Enough said


Marvin Jones Jr, is there number 1, Tate is their slot guy. Their offensive talent isn’t bad, Ebron started to develop some, and Golladay looks like a nice compliment on the outside with his size to Tate and Marvin Jones.

Their RBs are just meh with Abdullah and Riddick, but not terrible. The oline run blocking this year was horrendous.

Defense has some nice pieces, this really depends how you feel about Stafford, but I think there closer to making the playoffs than the Giants are by a lot.

Caldwell mainly lost his job cause team no showed on the road too much this year. The Ravens and Bengals games were horrible in particular. I don’t think their division is impossible either, Rodgers is good but as we saw rest of that team is bad especially defensively, Bears nuff said, and Vikes could be a one hit wonder they got a lot of important pieces that are going to be UFA can’t keep em all.

Long term I’d say Giants but for next season it’s definitly Lions better job if you want to get off to a good start and have a little margin for error. Just now I look at it.

that franchise is snake bit  
I Love Clams Casino : 1/12/2018 3:24 pm : link
If the Lions win a Superbowl, I'll fall out of my chair........noooo nooooo noooooooo.....Giants have been to the dance.....
RE: plus  
bw in dc : 1/12/2018 3:25 pm : link
In comment 13784983 djm said:
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the best player on offense plays for the Giants and the best player on defense plays for the Giants. We also have a QB that has won multiple titles. And we have Snacks. And Vernon. And Jenkins. And Shepard.

The Lions aren't bad. Fun little team. I'd rather coach the Giants and wind up revered as a legend.


Detroit has one of the game's best corners - Darius Slay. And Diggs and Quin round out a very good secondary. Arguably the best in the game. And they have one of the games best pass rushers - Ezekial Ansah. Anthony Zettel is one of the games best interior pass rushers as well.

Jones and Tate were 1K receivers. Tate is one of the best slot receivers in the game.

I think you are understating the quality of talent Detroit has...actually...
The Lions are a bad franchise  
twostepgiants : 1/12/2018 3:31 pm : link
Theyve won 1 playoff game since 1957 and zero since 1991

This is despite having Barry Sanders, Calvin Johnson, Ndamukong Suh and a franchise QB

Thats not by accident. Its not the talent. Its the organization.
That's a dumb argument.  
an_idol_mind : 1/12/2018 3:49 pm : link
Anybody who would duck a job because the expectations are too high won't be successful anyway.
In no way shape or form  
ryanmkeane : 1/12/2018 4:03 pm : link
is the Detroit Lions HC job more attractive than the Giants. In history or currently.
RE: Detroit has more  
santacruzom : 1/12/2018 4:10 pm : link
In comment 13784899 HoodieGelo said:
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talent on the roster than the Giants? lmao. I stopped reading after that nonsense.


Well, don't they?
RE: RE: Golden Tate is their number 1 WR  
Keith : 1/12/2018 4:18 pm : link
In comment 13784989 BocaGiants91 said:
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In comment 13784970 Rflairr said:


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Enough said



Marvin Jones Jr, is there number 1, Tate is their slot guy. Their offensive talent isn’t bad, Ebron started to develop some, and Golladay looks like a nice compliment on the outside with his size to Tate and Marvin Jones.

Their RBs are just meh with Abdullah and Riddick, but not terrible. The oline run blocking this year was horrendous.

Defense has some nice pieces, this really depends how you feel about Stafford, but I think there closer to making the playoffs than the Giants are by a lot.

Caldwell mainly lost his job cause team no showed on the road too much this year. The Ravens and Bengals games were horrible in particular. I don’t think their division is impossible either, Rodgers is good but as we saw rest of that team is bad especially defensively, Bears nuff said, and Vikes could be a one hit wonder they got a lot of important pieces that are going to be UFA can’t keep em all.

Long term I’d say Giants but for next season it’s definitly Lions better job if you want to get off to a good start and have a little margin for error. Just now I look at it.


Incorrect. While Tate plays primarily in the slot, he's absolutely their #1 optoin in the passing game. It's not even a debate.
If DG and MP  
old man : 1/12/2018 4:51 pm : link
Truly did hit it off well,as per a recent thread, then they likely have the same philosophy about at least 2 or 3 of the 4 of: hog mollies, run game, strong D, and, the type of player to get the job done.
If Lil Bill, outside the GY anger, likes our organization vs. just wanting to HC us in a homecoming of sorts, he might steer MP here as well.
Every leader wants to build his group in 'his vision', and if the 'went well' is about as stated above, a team with a veteran QB, possibly his replacement in the next year or 2, a new OL in that timeframe, and possibly a new 3-4 D, there will be lots of new players he can help get here and with a GM that likely will work with him to get, both FA and Draft. Lots of opportunities over what Detroit might consider as a team that can make a run vs our need to rebuild.
If he wants opportunities for more instant success, he goes to Detroit.
Not my favorite candidate, but if he brings the Pats analytics with him, that's fine.
Anyone been to Detroit recently?  
Vanzetti : 1/12/2018 5:28 pm : link
It is like Mad Max. If they filmed Escape from Detroit they would not have to set in the future

Makes the South Bronx back in the day look like a gated community
go to detroit  
spike : 1/12/2018 5:47 pm : link
if he hates going to the playoffs. The opposite to the patriots.

Take the Gints job
Patricia is from NY. If he is too stupid  
Dry Lightning : 1/12/2018 6:02 pm : link
to not understand that the Giants are the most important franchise in the NFL, then fuck him. He is not the right person for the job. I think he will realize it.
RE: Patricia is from NY. If he is too stupid  
bw in dc : 1/12/2018 6:43 pm : link
In comment 13785218 Dry Lightning said:
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to not understand that the Giants are the most important franchise in the NFL, then fuck him. He is not the right person for the job. I think he will realize it.


But Bob Quinn is the GM for Detroit. So he and Patricia may have a very good relationship from their days in New England.

Relationships matter...
Mike...Are you  
STLGiant : 1/12/2018 7:08 pm : link
Slade?
Isn’t Detroit kind of a shithole city?  
trueblueinpw : 1/12/2018 7:19 pm : link
Just saying...
Great article  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2018 10:32 pm : link
Who wouldn't want to play for Detroit and their rich history of success not to mention the opportunity to live in the beautiful city of Detroit! The only thing that makes Detroit somewhat intriguing is Matthew Stafford. The Giants are a world class organization, they have several young stars on the team, a veteran QB in Eli Manning, and the opportunity to take the next franchise QB with the 2nd pick in the draft.
RE: Patricia is from NY. If he is too stupid  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 10:33 pm : link
In comment 13785218 Dry Lightning said:
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to not understand that the Giants are the most important franchise in the NFL


Huh?
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