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DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 2:32 pm
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Interesting thing @SeniorBowlPhil just told me and @HorowitzJason on @ESPNUonSiriusXM: The Broncos staff requested that Baker Mayfield be placed on their team at the Senior Bowl.
Broncos want Mayfield or Allen  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/12/2018 2:35 pm : link
John Elway has scouted them both. He knows that Mayfield is an extraordinary football player and a smart QB.
Excellent  
JonC : 1/12/2018 2:37 pm : link
If Darnold is gone, Giants might be able to trade down and still get a target.
My thought  
Sy'56 : 1/12/2018 2:40 pm : link
He is one of the more confusing prospects in the entire class at a position that they need, also at a position that is incredibly important.

So many questions on how he translates to an NFL scheme, how he takes in coaching knowing his attitude on the field, does he naturally lead in difficult environments?

I don't think it means they are deeply interested, I think it has more to do with the amount of questions around him as a prospect. I think anyone with half of a brain can tell this guy can ball.
This is where the Giants and Media (especially the NY media)  
superspynyg : 1/12/2018 2:45 pm : link
Can create a trade market. By floating rumors that several teams are interested in not only Mayfield and other qbs, they can effectively drive up the price.

Giants “insider” reports a strategic leak that Giants like Mayfield
but are open to trade. The media reports that another team that is in need of a Qb, strongly likes Mayfield and is looking to trade up to get him. This puts pressure on Elway to jump this mystery team at 2 and grab their guy.

Giants then reap the reward.
I'd like the Giants to reap the reward  
Rocky369 : 1/12/2018 2:49 pm : link
of selecting Mayfield. But a trade down for more picks would be toight like a tiger.
RE: This is where the Giants and Media (especially the NY media)  
YAJ2112 : 1/12/2018 2:50 pm : link
In comment 13784925 superspynyg said:
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Can create a trade market. By floating rumors that several teams are interested in not only Mayfield and other qbs, they can effectively drive up the price.

Giants “insider” reports a strategic leak that Giants like Mayfield
but are open to trade. The media reports that another team that is in need of a Qb, strongly likes Mayfield and is looking to trade up to get him. This puts pressure on Elway to jump this mystery team at 2 and grab their guy.

Giants then reap the reward.


If the Giants leak that they want Mayfield, teams would try to get ahead of us to get him if they also want him. Why would we trade our pick to another team who wants to take Mayfield if we love Mayfield?
Shouldn't Phil Savage, you know, shut his trap?  
FranknWeezer : 1/12/2018 2:52 pm : link
Why does he get to broadcast something like this to the rest of the league? I'm sure in the future teams are really going to be jumping to coach the Senior Bowl with him doing stupid stuff like that.
RE: My thought ....Half a brain  
Thegratefulhead : 1/12/2018 2:59 pm : link
In comment 13784915 Sy'56 said:
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He is one of the more confusing prospects in the entire class at a position that they need, also at a position that is incredibly important.

So many questions on how he translates to an NFL scheme, how he takes in coaching knowing his attitude on the field, does he naturally lead in difficult environments?

I don't think it means they are deeply interested, I think it has more to do with the amount of questions around him as a prospect. I think anyone with half of a brain can tell this guy can ball.
Half a brain is the problem Sy. My experience is that most people either never learned to think critically or are not mentally capable of it. If the OU kicker executed a squid kick, Mayfield is national championship winner. Don't think Alabama could have handled that offense.
RE: Excellent  
DonQuixote : 1/12/2018 3:00 pm : link
In comment 13784907 JonC said:
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If Darnold is gone, Giants might be able to trade down and still get a target.


Pick Allen in that case...don't fool around
RE: My thought  
bradshaw44 : 1/12/2018 3:10 pm : link
In comment 13784915 Sy'56 said:
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He is one of the more confusing prospects in the entire class at a position that they need, also at a position that is incredibly important.

So many questions on how he translates to an NFL scheme, how he takes in coaching knowing his attitude on the field, does he naturally lead in difficult environments?

I don't think it means they are deeply interested, I think it has more to do with the amount of questions around him as a prospect. I think anyone with half of a brain can tell this guy can ball.


I think this kid is going to be great. And I hate QBs of his style. But this kid has it, from everything I see. He will be on Russel Wilson’s level IMO. I know you’re a way more knowledgeable talent evaluator then i ever will be, but to me it’s easy to see he’s special.
RE: Excellent  
The_Boss : 1/12/2018 3:12 pm : link
In comment 13784907 JonC said:
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If Darnold is gone, Giants might be able to trade down and still get a target.


Not a fan of Rosen?
It's  
PaulN : 1/12/2018 3:13 pm : link
All great news because when teams trade up for a franchise QB, throw out the point system because they give up more and sometimes much more then the draft point system. If the Giants have some of these guys very close and all needing time anyway, then trading down a few spots really makes a ton of sense. Unless you are sold completely on one particular QB, you would be stupid not to trade down, but this franchise has been pretty stupid for a long time now. It better end now or we are not going to be happy.
RE: RE: Excellent  
JonC : 1/12/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13784959 DonQuixote said:
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In comment 13784907 JonC said:


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If Darnold is gone, Giants might be able to trade down and still get a target.



Pick Allen in that case...don't fool around


Not convinced he'll warrant the pick at #2.
RE: RE: Excellent  
JonC : 1/12/2018 3:15 pm : link
In comment 13784976 The_Boss said:
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In comment 13784907 JonC said:


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If Darnold is gone, Giants might be able to trade down and still get a target.



Not a fan of Rosen?


Concussion history needs careful consideration and review.
RE: My thought  
JohnB : 1/12/2018 3:18 pm : link
In comment 13784915 Sy'56 said:
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He is one of the more confusing prospects in the entire class at a position that they need, also at a position that is incredibly important.

So many questions on how he translates to an NFL scheme, how he takes in coaching knowing his attitude on the field, does he naturally lead in difficult environments?

I don't think it means they are deeply interested, I think it has more to do with the amount of questions around him as a prospect. I think anyone with half of a brain can tell this guy can ball.


When I first read the OP, this is what I thought. Denver has serious questions about him and they want to get a close up and personal look. Coaching him is the best way. I think they are a far cry from "we're taking him"
RE: My thought  
DanMetroMan : 1/12/2018 3:21 pm : link
In comment 13784915 Sy'56 said:
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He is one of the more confusing prospects in the entire class at a position that they need, also at a position that is incredibly important.

So many questions on how he translates to an NFL scheme, how he takes in coaching knowing his attitude on the field, does he naturally lead in difficult environments?

I don't think it means they are deeply interested, I think it has more to do with the amount of questions around him as a prospect. I think anyone with half of a brain can tell this guy can ball.


Sy,
I'm sure you have answered this a thousand times but where can I read your take on Mayfield (obviously your last statement suggests you are a fan).
This doesn't mean  
BigBlueDownTheShore : 1/12/2018 3:21 pm : link
jack shit. They are just doing their due diligence.
Is ever  
cokeduplt : 1/12/2018 3:27 pm : link
Going to still love mayfield after the combine when he measures under 6 foot?
RE: It's  
DonQuixote : 1/12/2018 3:32 pm : link
In comment 13784979 PaulN said:
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All great news because when teams trade up for a franchise QB, throw out the point system because they give up more and sometimes much more then the draft point system. If the Giants have some of these guys very close and all needing time anyway, then trading down a few spots really makes a ton of sense. Unless you are sold completely on one particular QB, you would be stupid not to trade down, but this franchise has been pretty stupid for a long time now. It better end now or we are not going to be happy.


I think you are missing one thing. If we trade down down, we may very well end up having to trade up later, when it is us that has to give up the point system....
You could interpret this to mean whatever you want it to mean!  
wgenesis123 : 1/12/2018 3:45 pm : link
It could mean Denver is willing to trade up. It could mean they are not willing to trade up. They have to be prepared if QB's go off the board at 1,2,3, and 4. Don't think that has ever happened but they have to be prepared if it does. Trades could make it happen!
If that's the care  
old man : 1/12/2018 3:48 pm : link
and they are SOLIDLY hot for him, Cleveland can take Barkley, then Mayfield, Indy might trade out( though likely go Chubb,Minka, or some other D), Cleveland goes QB, then we go our QB and if he's goes we have Minka, Chubb, or some other D player.
If Indy trades out to a QB needed team And our QB is gone, then we can pick from Chubb, Minka, Or even a OL that grades to the 5/6 spot AND have the extra picks.
The Shrine and Senior games, and Combine hopefully create a separation among the top 10-15players.
Wonder how  
jvm52106 : 1/12/2018 3:55 pm : link
Joe Montana and Phil Simms would be rated coming our of college with todays media and attention on the draft and draft eligible players.

I am not saying based on their NFL careers but if they both were coming out of college today (forget the change in game play) but just the ability they have shown, their size, athleticism etc., how would they be rated?
Mayfields one of the biggest puzzles in this draft  
Peppers : 1/12/2018 4:03 pm : link
Of course they'd want an upclose and week long look at him.
I know  
OC2.0 : 1/12/2018 4:03 pm : link
This gets thrown around every year but this draft is the perfect time to trade down.
Denver is  
Pete in MD : 1/12/2018 4:49 pm : link
expected to have a comp pick at the end of the third round which gives them a little more ammunition to trade up with.
Do you take a QB  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/12/2018 5:07 pm : link
With the second pick even though he is NOT the highest graded player on your draft Board out of fear that you need a new "franchise" QB?
It all depends upon whether a team . . . .  
TC : 1/12/2018 6:00 pm : link
falls enough in love with Mayfield to disregard the concerns about him.

FWIW, Robbie Esch at THR still has him pegged as likely to go in the top 15 of the 2nd round.

My ONLY real concern remains is whether NFL level competition will permit him to continue his style of play, which I believe is essential for him to continue to succeed.
Elway is reportedly extremely high on Allen  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2018 7:14 pm : link
If they did trade up to 2 I imagine it would be for him. This is going to be a long 3 months.
The people clamoring for a trade down  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/12/2018 7:22 pm : link
are going to be extremely disappointed.
RE: RE: My thought  
short lease : 1/13/2018 5:54 am : link
In comment 13784974 bradshaw44 said:
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In comment 13784915 Sy'56 said:


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He is one of the more confusing prospects in the entire class at a position that they need, also at a position that is incredibly important.

So many questions on how he translates to an NFL scheme, how he takes in coaching knowing his attitude on the field, does he naturally lead in difficult environments?

I don't think it means they are deeply interested, I think it has more to do with the amount of questions around him as a prospect. I think anyone with half of a brain can tell this guy can ball.



I think this kid is going to be great. And I hate QBs of his style. But this kid has it, from everything I see. He will be on Russel Wilson’s level IMO. I know you’re a way more knowledgeable talent evaluator then i ever will be, but to me it’s easy to see he’s special.


+1 .... not that his style needs height to be successful but, if he was in the 6'2" - 6'5" I really believe he would be a top 3 .. (top 5?) pick. When it is all written, I think he will have a Very Good - Great career.
It will be interesting to see how QBs are divided up at Senior Bowl  
Milton : 1/13/2018 6:15 am : link
I can't recall a better group of QBs at the Senior Bowl...
Baker Mayfield
Josh Allen
Mason Rudolph
Luke (no relation to Peter) Falk
Brandon (no relation to Phil) Silvers
Mike White
Kurt (no relation to the bakery) Benkert
(and the one and only) Kyle Lauletta!
just would be stupid to trade down..not the year to mess around  
micky : 1/13/2018 7:22 am : link
and lose out on a qb..likely not getting this high of pick anytime soon and qbs
No Baker Mayfield fan here, but...  
Nomad Crow on the Madison : 1/13/2018 9:03 am : link
I watched him vs Kansas St, OK St, Texas and Georgia -- highlight films to be sure because they never show interceptions or fumbles or incompletions. Here are my amateurish observations: He is almost never under center (one play at the goal line). 90% of his passes are within ten yards of the LOS. He bird-dogs his receivers most of the time. His receivers are wide open 90% of the time. His footwork is crazy. However, he has a quick, efficient release. He is accurate to 25 yards down the field. He can throw accurately despite crazy footwork. He can use multiple arm angles. He has more zip on the ball than I expected to see. And he competes like a mad dog. He reminds me of Jim McMahon in that regard.

How his attitude translates to the NFL is the critical question. He certainly looks like he can play.
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