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Trent Dillfer on Josh Rosen

Jolly Blue Giant : 1/12/2018 8:27 pm
This was posted by Art Stapleton. Itís a really interesting take.
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He's got...  
Zepp : 1/12/2018 8:39 pm : link
Ryan Leaf written all over him.

If its not Darnold draft Barkley and try to win.
Very interesting take by Dilfer  
illmatic : 1/12/2018 8:39 pm : link
And it also explains why John Dorsey wants to stay away from Rosen. He certainly seems like a love him or hate him type of guy. And that's probably not going to change anytime soon if the Giants select him since half the board will probably hate the pick for various reasons, haha. Whether it's his health, preferring another player or maybe even having a new HC who they don't think will mesh with him.
2 concussions ...  
jbeintherockies : 1/12/2018 8:41 pm : link
... that we know of.
RE: 2 concussions ...  
Zepp : 1/12/2018 8:43 pm : link
In comment 13785347 jbeintherockies said:
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... that we know of.


That we know of exactly. The 2 already just means hes going to be prone to having more. On top of that he has a personality that probably won't mesh in a big city like NY.

S T A Y A W A Y!!!!!!!!

Thatís what you want in a QB  
jeff57 : 1/12/2018 8:43 pm : link
Someone who seeks to raise everybodyís game. Even though he might not be loved by everybody.
RE: Thatís what you want in a QB  
Zepp : 1/12/2018 8:44 pm : link
In comment 13785349 jeff57 said:
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Someone who seeks to raise everybodyís game. Even though he might not be loved by everybody.


We already have players with personality problems where half the locker room hates him. We don't need another one. Especially in the NY market.
I expect Rosen is the guy  
adamg : 1/12/2018 8:45 pm : link
Most talented QB in the class. Should be a decent pro at worst.
Rosen is our guy  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2018 8:51 pm : link
go get him...
I want Rosen  
twostepgiants : 1/12/2018 8:51 pm : link
Sounds like heís a guy that fits Gettlemans ďI want a guy who hates losingĒ quote
Great!!  
RAIN : 1/12/2018 8:51 pm : link
good news. Dilfer with the goods.

Darnold or Rosen or Barkley!

Top tier. Thank god Indy won.



Dilfer pretty high on Rosen....  
GFAN52 : 1/12/2018 8:54 pm : link
good to know.
RE: He's got...  
Vanzetti : 1/12/2018 9:11 pm : link
In comment 13785344 Zepp said:
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Ryan Leaf written all over him.

If its not Darnold draft Barkley and try to win.


so, Trent Dilfer, who knows him well and has supervised him, says he has a demanding personality like Peyton Manning, and that leads you to conclude, he is not like Peyton Manning but Ryan Leaf?
I want nothing to do with Rosen  
JerrysKids : 1/12/2018 9:14 pm : link
Ryan Lief, Jeff Goerge, Jay Cutler all over again.
Exactly  
gersh : 1/12/2018 9:19 pm : link
Dilfer says he's like Peyton, Brady and Rogers - guys who demand the best from themselves and everyone around them.
If he's the best pure QB in the draft, then he wil be able to walk the walk as well. Better to have a guy who wants to be the best and will rub some people the wrong way for it, then someone who doesn't care enough.

We need our QB of the future. We can't get it wrong. He seems like a "what-you-see-is what-you-get" kind of kid.
So do your due diligence, interview the shit out of him, and if he's a problem kid - decide if the 3rd best QB in the class is the answer.
RE: I want nothing to do with Rosen  
BigBlue4You09 : 1/12/2018 9:21 pm : link
In comment 13785377 JerrysKids said:
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Ryan Lief, Jeff Goerge, Jay Cutler all over again.


This post makes less than zero sense
People should listen to the audio  
gersh : 1/12/2018 9:23 pm : link
and not just read the quote.
Personality only matters  
djm : 1/12/2018 9:25 pm : link
If the guy sucks. No one will give a fuck if rosen is a great qb. And plenty of assholes have been great QBs.
The kid is demanding. Wants the best from everyone  
The_Boss : 1/12/2018 9:28 pm : link
From the GM to the coaches and his teammates, very similar to what guys like Brady and Rodgers demand in GB and New England. He was a spoiled brat at 17, pet Dilfer and made a complete 180 by this year. If I wasnít already, Iím even more on board with drafting Rosen, if thatís possible.
We don't know anything about Rosen  
idinkido : 1/12/2018 9:30 pm : link
Hopefully our front office and scouts have a good take on him and the other QB candidates. Seriously, because we read something, it doesn't mean we have an accurate picture of a person. Our info is not first hand info. In terms of QB arm, QB intelligence, Rosen is that and more and film shows that. The concussion issues can only be addressed by our medical staff. Of course, we also have to ask : Do we trust our medical staff? It's good that we have an experienced Gentlemen in charge who has made tough decisions in the past and has been willing to stand by them.
gersh is right  
David B. : 1/12/2018 9:30 pm : link
listen to the audio.

BRING HIM ON. Love to have him.
The people who bitched about Eli's lack of fire and personality will love Rosen.

And if Cleveland takes him, grab Darnold.
Rosen does NOT equal Leaf. Totally different.Leaf was the high ceiling  
Ivan15 : 1/12/2018 9:33 pm : link
guy but unpolished. Needed a lot of work. More like Darnold or Allen.

Rosen is the high floor guy. Injury history is a big problem. Knees and concussions are the worst risk for a QB. Better to have broken some bones.
RE: People should listen to the audio  
Diver_Down : 1/12/2018 9:35 pm : link
In comment 13785385 gersh said:
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and not just read the quote.


I'll admit that I didn't even know there was an embedded segment in the tweet. I had clicked on the OP's link 3 different times trying to follow along with what people were responding too. And each time I only saw the tweet. It was your response that made me click on the body of the tweet which launched the clip.
Josh Rosen may wind up being good  
ThatLimerickGuy : 1/12/2018 9:46 pm : link
But it won't be in NY.

The media would destroy him.

Remember that this is the guy who got invited to play a Trump golf course and wore a F*** TRUMP hat and didn't see the problem with it when given the chance to step back from it a bit. It has nothing to do with his politics either but in NY you can't be that guy. He will get baited every day and it will be miserable to follow the team. If you think this season has been a sideshow go ahead and put Rosen on Beckham on the same team and watch those interviews after a loss when the offense struggles.

In Cleveland or Green Bay the kid could thrive but it will go down as a horrible moment in NYG history if he gets drafted by them.
Aikman loves him too and of course  
Simms11 : 1/12/2018 9:47 pm : link
Jim Mora, but that ones obvious.
seems like the kind of guy that will whine and complain  
mdc1 : 1/12/2018 9:57 pm : link
when our receivers drop catches and could be fireworks with Beckham and his ego. Right now this team needs very level headed guys that follow the process and handle their role.
RE: Josh Rosen may wind up being good  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 10:02 pm : link
In comment 13785408 ThatLimerickGuy said:
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But it won't be in NY.

The media would destroy him.

Remember that this is the guy who got invited to play a Trump golf course and wore a F*** TRUMP hat and didn't see the problem with it when given the chance to step back from it a bit. It has nothing to do with his politics either but in NY you can't be that guy.


It's sad that the only reason there's any truth to this is because people insist on eating up the shit coverage that gets sold in this town.
Namath  
David B. : 1/12/2018 10:15 pm : link
would suck in NY too.
RE: Namath  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 10:19 pm : link
In comment 13785439 David B. said:
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would suck in NY too.


Not sure if you meant this in a funny way, but that's probably true. And the same is true for Mantle based on what was written of his issues. Namath would've gotten destroyed for the guarantee, for the womanizing persona, etc. Mantle for his drinking.
Likely  
old man : 1/12/2018 10:25 pm : link
The best QB.
The personality aside, the knees and concussions are scary.
No way he plays in '18 unless we get 2 good FAs and a day 1 draft pick, and they jell quickly.
At best 2019 w/ another FA and draft cycle.
Even playing out Elis current contract and he starts 2020 and he'll still be a little over 23.5 when the season starts, and they'll have another draft to finish putting a solid OL in front of him(though they likely would start ANY QB pick in '19).
The media destroys everyone  
twostepgiants : 1/12/2018 10:26 pm : link
You have to be tough enough to take it

No one knows who is.

Rosen seems to be handling the media hate crucible just fine so far
You can talk bad all you want about Namath, Eli or the Giants  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2018 10:29 pm : link
but don't ever diss The Mick...
He seems to be the most talented and best prepared to come in  
Jim in Hoboken : 1/12/2018 10:30 pm : link
and perform right away.

With his background, though, you'd have to be concerned that he's one big hit away from potentially walking away.
While he isn't my favorite QB in the draft  
Jay on the Island : 1/12/2018 10:34 pm : link
I won't be upset if the Giants do take him. He is the most NFL ready QB in the draft and he has the second most impressive arm in the draft after Allen. With that said I don't believe the Giants will take him due to the concussion concerns.
RE: You can talk bad all you want about Namath, Eli or the Giants  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 10:34 pm : link
In comment 13785449 Jimmy Googs said:
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but don't ever diss The Mick...


I feel like it's been covered pretty well what his problems were. I don't think it's some kind of secret that he wouldn't get away with it today.
RE: Thatís what you want in a QB  
SHO'NUFF : 1/12/2018 10:59 pm : link
In comment 13785349 jeff57 said:
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Someone who seeks to raise everybodyís game. Even though he might not be loved by everybody.


As opposed to the current bum, right?
Everybody has problems...even some demons. I am talking about  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2018 11:02 pm : link
the guy that dominated the game for well over a decade...
- won 7 World Series with the Yankees
- was an All-Star 16 of his 20 seasons
- 500+ home runs
- arguably the greatest offensive outfielder in MLB history
- and could steal a base and run down a deep ball with the best of them just to round out his game

He was The Mick...

but no Mays  
gtt350 : 1/12/2018 11:08 pm : link
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RE: Everybody has problems...even some demons. I am talking about  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 11:13 pm : link
In comment 13785469 Jimmy Googs said:
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the guy that dominated the game for well over a decade...
- won 7 World Series with the Yankees
- was an All-Star 16 of his 20 seasons
- 500+ home runs
- arguably the greatest offensive outfielder in MLB history
- and could steal a base and run down a deep ball with the best of them just to round out his game

He was The Mick...


I'm not talking about his baseball card. He can be all those things and also become a national story for having a drinking problem. Being a great athlete is no longer a shield. It was back then, it isn't now.
They're athletes, not role-models. Superstars with an ability  
Jimmy Googs : 1/12/2018 11:18 pm : link
to do things very few can do. Nothing more and nothing less.

Role-models should be your Mom or Dad...
He might be the most NFL ready  
Eman11 : 1/12/2018 11:28 pm : link
Of any of the QB's but I don't see how the Giants can risk the 2nd pick on a guy with his concussion history, or his knee and shoulder injuries.

The guy either missed or didn't finish 12 of his team's last 20 games. We're going to go from Iron Man Eli to that?

As Parcells said "the best ability is availability" and we need to use the pick on someone who will be consistently on the field. Not someone who has a history of not getting out there.
This is old news...  
bw in dc : 1/12/2018 11:31 pm : link
Go watch the Elite11 on youtube when Rosen was there. He created the most stir. Dilfer's staff couldn't figure the guy out. Some loved him, others couldn't stand the prick. But almost unanimously they thought he had a brilliant football mind...Despite all the backlash it created, Rosen still went back to help Dilfer in his camp. So that shows some maturity.

It's almost best that the Jints don't draft him because the NY media will go into overdrive to get under the guy's skin. It'll be target practice, and relentless.

I love his skill set, but there is a Sam Bradford element (injuries) and Cutler element (potentially prickly attitude) that could limit the ceiling.

This is why Darnold is the safer pick...
RE: They're athletes, not role-models. Superstars with an ability  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/12/2018 11:38 pm : link
In comment 13785477 Jimmy Googs said:
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to do things very few can do. Nothing more and nothing less.

Role-models should be your Mom or Dad...


I agree with you. I think it sucks that the "media" is even a part of the landscape here.
RE: Everybody has problems...even some demons. I am talking about  
McNally's_Nuts : 1/12/2018 11:41 pm : link
In comment 13785469 Jimmy Googs said:
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the guy that dominated the game for well over a decade...
- won 7 World Series with the Yankees
- was an All-Star 16 of his 20 seasons
- 500+ home runs
- arguably the greatest offensive outfielder in MLB history
- and could steal a base and run down a deep ball with the best of them just to round out his game

He was The Mick...


And he donít pay no Sonny Colegneroís rent either
RE: He's got...  
LauderdaleMatty : 1/12/2018 11:47 pm : link
In comment 13785344 Zepp said:
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Ryan Leaf written all over him.

If its not Darnold draft Barkley and try to win.


If that's the case Rather trade down to 5 or 6 if possible. Get the remaining Barkley Fitzpatrick or Nelson.

I'm as nervous about concussions and his injury history as any off field stuff
RE: He's got...  
Mr. Bungle : 1/13/2018 12:00 am : link
In comment 13785344 Zepp said:
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Ryan Leaf written all over him.

He absolutely, positively, most certainly does NOT.
The problem is  
allstarjim : 1/13/2018 12:12 am : link
He has no real mobility now and he'll have even less when he is 30.

The NFL currently are not getting a lot of great pass protectors, but they are getting a lot of elite pass rushers. Nearly every team has at least one. Very difficult now to win in the NFL as a pure pocket QB because you don't get pure pockets.

You have to at least buy time with the legs. And I know everyone is going to talk about Brady and Matt Ryan and so on. But it makes no sense to me to automatically start with a guy with a pretty big limitation in that regard. I don't think you need a guy to run around like Russell Wilson, but you do need a guy that can move around and avoid pressure, buy some time and make plays. Darnold can do that, so can Allen and Mayfield. I do not believe Rosen can, and that isn't going to get better as he ages.
RE: 2 concussions ...  
BigBluDawg : 1/13/2018 12:17 am : link
In comment 13785347 jbeintherockies said:
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... that we know of.


Didn't Aaron Rodgers have concussion issues and they designed him a fancy new helmet and he hasn't suffered them since "that we know of", I'm pretty sure the team that drafts Rosen could do the same.
RE: The problem is  
Milton : 1/13/2018 5:29 am : link
In comment 13785506 allstarjim said:
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He has no real mobility now and he'll have even less when he is 30.
This isn't true. Maybe not as much as Aaron Rodgers or a young Roethlisberger, but at least as much as Brady, Peyton, Eli, Ryan, and a very long list of successful NFL pocket passers who weren't a big threat to run. I would liken him to the early years of Joe Montana (when it comes to mobility), if you're old enough to remember those days.
The Thought That The Media in NY...  
Jim in Tampa : 1/13/2018 5:46 am : link
Will get under Rosen's skin or "destroy" him is absurd.

Destroy him for what reason exactly? Because he's a smart guy that demands excellence from himself and others? Sounds like a New Yorker to me.

Get used to it guys. Unless Cleveland surprises everyone and picks him instead of Darnold, Rosen will be the Giants' pick.
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Josh Rosen is the best QB prospect in the draft  
Milton : 1/13/2018 6:01 am : link
The Browns have a need at QB, so it would stand to reason that the Giants have no shot at Rosen except for the fact that Rosen is making it known that he would rather not be selected #1 overall if it means going to Cleveland.

An added wrinkle is that the Browns GM, Dorsey, has been quoted as advising "stay away" from Rosen in an article that was published while Dorsey was between jobs. Whether those were his true feelings or just some gamesmanship, it gives Rosen a legitimate excuse to "boycott" them when it comes to invites for an interview, workout, etc., without being accused of being spoiled or entitled. It will be interesting to see how Dorsey handles questions about the quote (I've yet to hear his response to being "outed" but he is sure to be questioned about it until he comes clean).

But just because it might be problematic for the Browns to select Rosen, doesn't mean they won't do it or trade away the pick to another team that will. Two things have to happen for this not to be the case...

1) There needs to be another QB on the same level as Rosen. He doesn't have to be Rosen's equal, but he needs to be close enough that the Browns won't want to risk losing out on him with the #4 overall pick, and also close enough that the Browns won't know for sure who the Giants like best at QB. We don't want a repeat of what happened in 2004 when the Chargers were able to score a bundle in trade from the Giants and still came away with the QB they preferred (Rivers) all because Accorsi had shown his hand for all the world to see.

2) If there isn't another QB prospect on Rosen's level, then there needs to be a non-QB prospect (i.e, Barkley) who stands out above the other non-QB prospects. This would make the Browns less willing to trade out of the top spot with the Broncos or Jets because they would be risking the loss of that guy to Indy with the third overall pick. And this is again another reason for the Giants to keep their thoughts to themselves (QB? RB? DE? OL? Only Gettleman's hairdresser knows for sure!).

Barring those two things, I would expect the Browns to either select Rosen (and deal with the war of wills to follow) or trade the pick to a team willing to pay a high price for a QB that's head and shoulders above the rest. So I'll be rooting like hell for Darnold and Barkley to blow away the scouting community during the combine and pro days up ahead.
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