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Duggan makes good point regarding Lions and Patricia

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 10:04 am
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You don't need Patricia's degree in aeronautical engineering to do the math on the Giants' coaching search: The team is reportedly down to three finalists and there are three other teams with head coaching vacancies. That means it's possible that the Giants could be left without a chair when the music stops. So they need a backup plan.

On cue, Newsday reported on Friday that the Giants have an unidentified "sleeper" candidate. There are plenty of potential candidates for the doomsday scenario outlined above. It also would be a shrewd PR move for the Giants to leak out the existence of a sleeper candidate because if they struck out with the three reported favorites, everyone would view their hire as a backup plan. But now the Giants can claim whoever they hire was the sleeper candidate all along.

Patricia has been reported as the favorite for the Giants job by the New York Daily News and ESPN's Giants blog, but the Patriots defensive coordinator is still considered the favorite for the Lions by Detroit outlets.

The tell that the Lions still believe they have a shot at Patricia is that they haven't moved onto their other top candidate, Texans defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel. Vrabel, who is also a finalist for the Colts' opening, is eligible to be hired now. If the Lions get word that Patricia is headed to the Giants, they'll pull the trigger on hiring Vrabel. Until that happens, they clearly believe they're still in the running for Patricia.


The weird thing about all of this is that BOTH the Lions and Giants are acting a bit like they may have their candidate already (or in negotiations with him). But although some on BBI poo-poo the idea of the Giants getting screwed with none of their top three candidates coming here, I think we have to consider this as a real possibility. This could be like 1993 all over again.
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Your point about our perceived stability right now  
George : 1/13/2018 12:21 pm : link
is very well taken. We don't look good these days.
RE: ...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/13/2018 12:23 pm : link
In comment 13785784 Eric from BBI said:
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In terms of how the Giants are perceived, keep this in mind:

In the past few years, they have fired:

- One GM.
- One Director of College Scouting.
- Two head coaches.
- A bunch of assistant coaches.

This organization doesn't reek of stability right now.


This is all true, but typical of teams with HC vacancies, and again, we are cherrypicking the negative. The Giants might look unstable recently, but I think you are painting it a bit more horrifying than it is.

The Giants have been in flux for 3 or 4 years after a long period of stability that included two Superbowls.

They aren't exactly the Browns.
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Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2018 12:24 pm : link
In comment 13785784 Eric from BBI said:
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In terms of how the Giants are perceived, keep this in mind:

In the past few years, they have fired:

- One GM.
- One Director of College Scouting.
- Two head coaches.
- A bunch of assistant coaches.

This organization doesn't reek of stability right now.


It's not a one-team league. You've got to take into context the fact that the NFL is very high in turnover every season. This is the first time the Giants have made front-office firings since when? 30 years?
Imagine  
Fast Eddie : 1/13/2018 12:25 pm : link
If Getts sets up an interview with Vrabel all hell would break loose.
I think the Giants have better personel on D  
Breeze_94 : 1/13/2018 12:27 pm : link
for what Patricia likes to do.

Man-to-man, agressive defense.

Jenkins and Apple do their best work playing physical man-to-man coverage. Collins is a jack of all trades safety.

Detroit has Darius Slay who is a very good corner, but outside of him they don't have much. Glover Quin is a decent safety, Jarrad Davis showed some flashes. Ziggy Ansah is a FA, Ngata is aging. Even their second best LB, Whitehead, is a pending FA.

Giants have the afore mentioned as well as a strong DL and a great draft position.
.. Patricia is considered the favorite for the for the Lions job  
KeoweeFan : 1/13/2018 12:28 pm : link
I understand how the media can make educated guesses as to whom the team's management would prefer, but how do they factor in what the candidate wants? I haven't seen for example any reports that says Patricia would rather be in Detroit rather than NY.
In that latter instance it would depend on what the candidate thinks of the situation and offer made to him in the interviews and that's certainly not public information.
RE: there are good reasons for choosing NYG  
clatterbuck : 1/13/2018 12:30 pm : link
In comment 13785755 bluepepper said:
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over Detroit but can we stop with the idea that there's some special mystique about the franchise or NYC?

You can win titles and build legends anywhere. Lombardi went to a piss ass little town in WI and built a dynasty. The Steelers had been garbage for decades and Pittsburgh was, to use current parlance, a shithole in the 1970's when Noll went there.

Patricia is a bright guy, he's not going to pick the Giants because Frank Gifford played here or because NYC is the "greatest city on earth" or other such nonsense.


It's not "mystique." It's the reality of a premier, bedrock franchise, solid, stable ownership, four SBs in 30 years, good facilities, the biggest market in the world, choice of excellent towns/communities to locate a family, an opportunity to make your mark on the game. Maybe some guys prefer a smaller stage. So be it. No guts, no glory.
George  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
McAdoo lost the locker room because the Giants were losing, and losing badly. I still think Giants fans are having trouble comprehending just how bad this team was last year. We game "this" close to having the all-time lowest scoring offense in team history. Think of all of the terrible Giants offenses of the 1970s (hell even the 1990s). The defense also became a bottom dweller again. And the special teams was probably the worst in the NFL.

Coaches lose locker rooms when teams lose. It's always been that way.

Why did the Giants lose? You can say bad coaching (though notice how all our coaches are being hired now?), bad luck, injuries, etc. But the real reason is the players didn't play well. The team has been poorly constructed. And this isn't a new thing:

2013: 7-9
2014: 6-10
2015: 6-10
2016: 11-5
2017: 3-13

During this time frame, the Giants have now fired two head coaches. The Giants are NOT a well-run operation right now and they haven't been in some time. Hence the reason Mara finally fired Reese and Ross.

Now instead of completely blowing things up, the team is hoping an old friendly face (Gettleman) can bring back stability while keeping all of the same people in the front office except for Ross. It has a bit of the same feel as the band-aid approach the Giants did in 2016 when they fired Coughlin and kept everyone else. It could work, but would it shock anyone if the Giants keep treading water with this approach?

My point here is that things change extremely quickly now in the NFL. We have witnessed a model franchise become a quasi-joke. The Giants are in very dangerous territory right now. And even Gettleman alluded to it during his introductory presser when he mentioned how picking the wrong QB can put a franchise in a really bad spot.

We're all hoping and praying they picked the right GM. That remains to be seen. But they also face the same challenge with the HC and QB. Any wrong decision and I guarantee you we are having the same conversation on BBI in January 2020.
Eric from BBI, what are you advocating for?  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 12:31 pm : link
Moving on from Patricia? Offering the job to Wilks because he will accept it tomorrow?

I donít really understand what is being advocated for?
RE: RE: RE: Selling newspapers at its finest  
ColHowPepper : 1/13/2018 12:34 pm : link
In comment 13785669 AnnapolisMike said:
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In comment 13785661 Eric from BBI said:
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Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare. ///

The Giants took care of the nightmare by sitting Eli. The hard part is over, now it comes down to who is the best QB. I view Eli as a plus. He gives the Giants stability at QB if he plays well for the next two years. If the decline is real, then he sits when it is apparent Webb or someone else is ready.
First off, am in agreement with Eric's premise that the Giants' gig is not the many splendored gem much of BBI seems to think.
But, Mike: Usually I find a lot of acumen in your posts, but I think your Eli comment smacks of over-simplification, the hard part is not over, not with the Manning family mountain to climb. After that, given how difficult it has become for many Giants' fans to accept that Eli is in clear decline--and of course the pathetic state of the OL complicates that assessment--the issue is going to hand heavy over DG and whoever the HC is. And third, if/when it comes to the point that the decline is real and he sits--and how long will that take to play out??--then the team has the significant growing pains to work in the new QB and will that QB be the goods?
Very significant ??
RE: Eric from BBI, what are you advocating for?  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13785801 twostepgiants said:
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Moving on from Patricia? Offering the job to Wilks because he will accept it tomorrow?

I donít really understand what is being advocated for?


I'm not advocating for anything. Read my original post. My point is I find it odd that it appears that the Giants and Lions are acting as if they think they have their guy. In New York's case, the beat writers are saying all signs say Patricia (so that's the assumption among fans too right now). But if that is true, then someone is going to be left holding the bag here. Same with Shurmur if the Giants like him (because many are tying him with Arizona).

My point is things would appear more settled if Indy, Detroit, or Arizona had another potential front-runner appear because right now there are four teams with three hot head coaching candidates. Someone appears likely to have to "settle" (at the very least in terms of PR purposes... I suspect Duggan's instincts are the Giants floating a "sleeper" candidate with Rock/Glauber is spot on... it's their PR fallback).
I think we're underestimating how coveted getting one of these jobs  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/13/2018 12:39 pm : link
is.

You can be realistic about the fact that being named a head coach for an NFL team is the fulfillment of a coaches' life goal. Everyone wants to get to the top of their profession. There's a reason the Browns keep finding people to take their money. Every coach wants one of these jobs. Every coach has the confidence that he can succeed at it. You don't get to this level in the business of competition without exceptional confidence.

We don't have to paint the Giants as the holy grail of jobs, because that's inaccurate too, but it's absolutely still a desirable job regardless of what challenges are in place here.
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 12:41 pm : link
What makes me think the Giants may already have their man is the fact that they have publicly already written off Wilks. But if Patricia is coming here, then why is Detroit not interviewing anyone else?

Again, same with Shurmur in Arizona and McDaniels in Indy.

Right now, it appears someone is going to get burned.
If the Giants have to circle back  
AnnapolisMike : 1/13/2018 12:42 pm : link
It will be to Spags, not Wilks. The organization likes him, He has past experience as a HC (any experience is good experience). I think the fact that Spags has not been hired elsewhere indicates the Giants still want him as a coordinator at the least.

I don't think they will force him on someone, but if you are being honest, he is one of the top available DC's.

Eric, i think its because few teams have decided  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 12:51 pm : link
These teams arent ready because there is no stand out candidate. They all have warts

The Giants have leaked a list narrowed to 3 guys and some kind of second round including Tisch

The Cards have said they have 9 guys and will eliminate down and will now start a 2nd round of interviews

The Lions seem to have set up an alternative in Mike Vrabel. Witth an shot still for Shurmur.

The Lions seem the closest to having decided- Patricia but no one knows for certain.

I dont think the Giants and Cards have finalized who they want yet.
I think the most puzzling team has been the Colts  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 12:56 pm : link
What are they doing?

They have a cancelled interview with Wilks, who is looking like he will not land a job this year. They interview a terrible college HC who subsequently withdraws from consideration after his interview.

It is puzzling. They either have McDaniels locked up or are completely clueless.

if McDaniels is locked up, why are they still interviewing? For show?
RE: RE: Duggan keeps stealing from this website  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2018 1:05 pm : link
In comment 13785721 Eric from BBI said:
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The other night a poster posts that we could be screwed because we may miss out on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Duggan then tweets almost the same exact thing. Then I remember Diver Down posting something whether it was him or the thread title called musical chairs. Now Duggan uses that in his article? Unreal.



I think it was actually the reverse. I think Dan originally tweeted about this, and then BBI started a discussion about it.


Nope. I made the post on 1/8/18. Four days before Duggan made the same analogy. My response with the musical chairs was made directly to you, Eric. I'll post a link.
RE: RE: RE: Duggan keeps stealing from this website  
Diver_Down : 1/13/2018 1:09 pm : link
In comment 13785822 Diver_Down said:
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In comment 13785720 robbieballs2003 said:


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The other night a poster posts that we could be screwed because we may miss out on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Duggan then tweets almost the same exact thing. Then I remember Diver Down posting something whether it was him or the thread title called musical chairs. Now Duggan uses that in his article? Unreal.



I think it was actually the reverse. I think Dan originally tweeted about this, and then BBI started a discussion about it.



Nope. I made the post on 1/8/18. Four days before Duggan made the same analogy. My response with the musical chairs was made directly to you, Eric. I'll post a link.


Here is the response to Duggan's tweet on the 11th re: Musical Chairs. I provided the link to my original comment made on the 8th.
Easy to write a sports column when you write what you read from BBI - ( New Window )
I also do not think Rock article was a leak  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 1:15 pm : link
That article had nothing in it and there was no story. No citing anything that wasnt already out there. No sleeper or anything. It was just rampant speculation that there must be a 4th guy because what if the Giants 3 turn it down?

He brought up Wilks, Schwartz and Belichick. All stagnant rumored candidates.

I dont see how it could be Wilks. That makes zero sense. The Giants all but publicly disavowed him a day before and then they leak out he still may get it?

Schwartz is a more likely possibility as he was at least rumored as a front runner but never interviewed for who knows what reason.

I also dont see it being Spags as he was clearly passed over as well and would be hard to go back to that as anything other than we gout our last choice because no one would take us.

If the Giants in fact do lose out on the top 3, then 1 see only 2 possibilities
Restart the search with new names (Vrabel, Toub, Reich, Schwartz, college guys, etc) or there is indeed a true sleeper it there somewhere that doesnt need to be interviewed as part of the process (Saban?) who knows who.
RE: UConn4523  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 1:26 pm : link
In comment 13785779 Eric from BBI said:
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You're missing the point. Smart candidates realize that if they don't succeed within two years, they are gone. The Giants are one of the most stable franchises in the NFL and they just fired a coach after 29 games.


Iím not missing the point. McAdoo was fired for incompetence. If he didnít lose the team, win only 2 games, and didnít completely drop the ball with Eli heíd probably still be our coach. Something like 7-9 without the Eli drama, IMO, means McAdooís job would have been safe.

Patricia would have to be an epic failure to only last 2 years here or anywhere else.
twosteps  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 1:28 pm : link
Agree... I don't know what Indy is doing. Is McDaniels locked in there?
twosteps  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 1:31 pm : link
Why I am not sure I agree with your premise that these teams are still trying to figure things out is they are all acting like they have their guy already.

I hate to sound like a broken record, but if there are four teams who seem to be locked into three coaches, someone is going to be settling.

Yes, the hole in this is us trusting the veracity of the media reports...but we have to work with what we know.
UConn4523  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 1:32 pm : link
The new coach would have to be an epic failure.

Or the new quarterback (who will likely be a rookie).

Or the new GM.

A lot of moving parts.
I donít care who wrote it or if the idea was stolen  
The_Boss : 1/13/2018 1:47 pm : link
But the bottom line is the doomsday scenario exists and it would be a major blow to Mara and the organization if theyíre the ones left standing without one of these 3. And by leaking out the mystery candidate, theyíre at the very least cognizant of how it would look if they get stood up. As said above, it would be the cherry on top of this seasonís horseshit sundae.
Eric, not only is the Colts the real wild card here  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 1:50 pm : link
But so is Vrabel

He is in the top 2 in Indy and Detroit according to reports

If he gets the Colts job, the Lions lose their #2 and begin pressuring Patricia. Or even if the Lions start thinking he might get the Colts job.
IndyStar reported 2 hrs ago that Vrabel was top 2 there  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 1:53 pm : link
That puts Vrabel in top 2 in 2 places
Vrabel/McDaniels in Indy - ( New Window )
RE: ...  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/13/2018 1:59 pm : link
In comment 13785810 Eric from BBI said:
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What makes me think the Giants may already have their man is the fact that they have publicly already written off Wilks. But if Patricia is coming here, then why is Detroit not interviewing anyone else?

Again, same with Shurmur in Arizona and McDaniels in Indy.

Right now, it appears someone is going to get burned.


It adds up if the reports of Patricia and Vrabel being 1a and 1b in Detroit.

The Lions might be hoping for Patricia but content to take Vrabel if Patricia goes to NY. Hence, no more movement from Detroit.

In fact I'm getting that is exactly what is happening.

Meanwhile the Giants have a pecking order with MP at the top.
RE: RE: twostepgiants  
GFAN52 : 1/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13785771 twostepgiants said:
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The point is that in 1993 we had to fall back to our 3rd or 4th option. Reeves wasn't even on the radar scope at first.



Thatís fine but the Giants had a first option, Then a second one. They went for TC but he didnt want them.

What if the Giants dont have a choice that they are ready to offer the head coach position to right now?

They like Patricia but arent sold? Not yet.

Everyone on here is acting like the Giants covet Patricia and are sitting their hat in hand waiting at the altar. What if that is simply not true? What if he has impressed them so far but want to see him again?


Remember they said Tisch was going to meet all the finalists so I suspect they will bring Patricia, Shurmur and possibly McDaniels in for a second interview.
RE: UConn4523  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 2:02 pm : link
In comment 13785851 Eric from BBI said:
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The new coach would have to be an epic failure.

Or the new quarterback (who will likely be a rookie).

Or the new GM.

A lot of moving parts.


No doubt, but again, Detroit. These guys arenít blind to history, and Detroit has been rotten for much longer than this crappy season we endured. Outside of the Browns and maybe Oakland, whoís been a worse franchise than Detroit over the past 15/20 years?
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bluepepper : 1/13/2018 2:09 pm : link
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It adds up if the reports of Patricia and Vrabel being 1a and 1b in Detroit.

The Lions might be hoping for Patricia but content to take Vrabel if Patricia goes to NY. Hence, no more movement from Detroit.

this ignores what twostep is saying - that Vrabel is a strong candidate in Indy. Detroit can't be sure he'll still be there. Inday may prefer McDaniels but he may want too much power or money. Plus he's just the type of prick to stiff someone at the last moment.
Who was the Rooney Rule candidates in  
Simms11 : 1/13/2018 2:22 pm : link
Indy and Detroit? Havenít heard who their candidates were. Wilks was supposed to interview in Indy, but that was cancelled and so who was their Rooney Rule candidate?

Regardless, itís possible that Patricia hasnít been officially offered anything yet. Unless of course Detroit did and he wants to talk with the N.Y. Giants first?! And so Detroit might be hanging on right now to hear from him. Vrabel appears to be their fallback. How much Coordinator experience does he have? It would be like a Wilks hire IMO. Anyway, whoís the fallback in Arizona? I think the pieces will start falling in place once one is hired. Hopefully, this week.
RE: Who was the Rooney Rule candidates in  
GFAN52 : 1/13/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13785925 Simms11 said:
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Indy and Detroit? Havenít heard who their candidates were. Wilks was supposed to interview in Indy, but that was cancelled and so who was their Rooney Rule candidate?

Regardless, itís possible that Patricia hasnít been officially offered anything yet. Unless of course Detroit did and he wants to talk with the N.Y. Giants first?! And so Detroit might be hanging on right now to hear from him. Vrabel appears to be their fallback. How much Coordinator experience does he have? It would be like a Wilks hire IMO. Anyway, whoís the fallback in Arizona? I think the pieces will start falling in place once one is hired. Hopefully, this week.


Kris Richards, DC of the Seahawks.
Lets trade Mara for Kraft  
Alwaysblue22 : 1/13/2018 2:42 pm : link
That will solve the problem..then BB will come with him.
The entire process if fucked up IMO.  
bigblue1124 : 1/13/2018 2:48 pm : link
To not allow a team to hire an assistant when they are in the tournament is absurd. All it does is set that person up for failure. The league works quick shit just look at Gruden and his NEW o-line coach Cable was released a day earlier and scooped up.
The entire process is flawed let the prospects announce their hire so said prospect can not only pick and choose his assistants but move on and focus on the job at hand.
Vrabel  
jeffro1 : 1/13/2018 2:52 pm : link
Is a finalist for Detroit and Indy, so there is the 4th candidate for 4 chairs. Seems like Detroit wants a defensive guy so they can continue with JBC. So if they donít get MP they move on to MV.

My guess:
Giants - Patricia
Lions - Vrabel
Cards - Shurmur
Colts - McDaniels
All smoke. I think the Giants have their choice.  
larryflower37 : 1/13/2018 3:26 pm : link
Belichick is going to advise both to choose the Giants if it is available.
All the doomsday, sky is falling, conspiracy posters are going to ride this too the end.
If you are coach with any balls or ego you choose NY. Battle in a top market in a top division.
This is all click bait. Saying the Giants might miss out gets people clicking.
This will continue until the Giants get their guy.
This in shambles thing can be fixed in a year or two  
DavidinBMNY : 1/13/2018 3:29 pm : link
We have talent, we have some resources and a high draft pick.

It's not the end of the world.
Let's not lose sight that  
section125 : 1/13/2018 4:48 pm : link
Patricia, McDAniels and Shurmur cannot take anybody's job until their team loses or gets through the Super Bowl.

Patricia might be able to indicate back channel where he is going, but technically can't.

As for Bossman's dumbass negative comment about hiring Gettleman early to get a jump on the rest of the league and then not getting anything done - what part of the NFL rule about not being able hire an active team's coaches do you not understand.
The Giants got their interviews done early and are waiting on guys whose teams are still in the playoffs. Thet cannot hire their guy yet.
RE: All smoke. I think the Giants have their choice.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 5:19 pm : link
In comment 13786006 larryflower37 said:
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Belichick is going to advise both to choose the Giants if it is available.
All the doomsday, sky is falling, conspiracy posters are going to ride this too the end.
If you are coach with any balls or ego you choose NY. Battle in a top market in a top division.
This is all click bait. Saying the Giants might miss out gets people clicking.
This will continue until the Giants get their guy.


So let me get this straight, speculating that a scenario where Patricia goes to Detroit, McDaniels to Indy, and Shurmur to Arizona is "conspiracy" talk?

SMH.
RE: RE: All smoke. I think the Giants have their choice.  
larryflower37 : 1/13/2018 5:34 pm : link
In comment 13786127 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13786006 larryflower37 said:


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Belichick is going to advise both to choose the Giants if it is available.
All the doomsday, sky is falling, conspiracy posters are going to ride this too the end.
If you are coach with any balls or ego you choose NY. Battle in a top market in a top division.
This is all click bait. Saying the Giants might miss out gets people clicking.
This will continue until the Giants get their guy.



So let me get this straight, speculating that a scenario where Patricia goes to Detroit, McDaniels to Indy, and Shurmur to Arizona is "conspiracy" talk?

SMH.


Are you going to argue It's nothing but pure speculation?
This is the natural "sky is falling"
BBI crew waiting for the Giants to mess it up.
Could it happen absolutely.
But saying the Giants are the best choice and will get who they want doesn't drive clicks
RE: RE: Who was the Rooney Rule candidates in  
Simms11 : 1/13/2018 6:46 pm : link
In comment 13785935 GFAN52 said:
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Indy and Detroit? Havenít heard who their candidates were. Wilks was supposed to interview in Indy, but that was cancelled and so who was their Rooney Rule candidate?


Kris Richards, DC of the Seahawks.


Thanks
Why havent  
TommyWiseau : 1/14/2018 1:25 am : link
We interviewed Vrabel?
RE: Why havent  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2018 1:29 am : link
In comment 13786785 TommyWiseau said:
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We interviewed Vrabel?


Two years as a position coach
one year as a defensive coordinator in which his defense was ranked 32nd in points allowed and 20th in total yardage allowed.

Incredibly inexperienced and underqualified.
RE: ...  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/14/2018 8:34 am : link
In comment 13785810 Eric from BBI said:
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What makes me think the Giants may already have their man is the fact that they have publicly already written off Wilks. But if Patricia is coming here, then why is Detroit not interviewing anyone else?

Again, same with Shurmur in Arizona and McDaniels in Indy.

Right now, it appears someone is going to get burned.

It could also be as simple as the interview window for active playoff teams has closed until the week after the conference championship games or until their teams lose.

Jim Schwartz, George Edwards, Frank Reich and/or John DiFilippo (and others) could be candidates for any of the vacancies. Just because teams appear to be done interviewing doesn't mean that they actually are.
As an incoming HC with interest  
mdc1 : 1/14/2018 8:37 am : link
my first question would 1) what are your plans with Eli manning and are you drafting his replacement? 2) if Eli does not perform well in camp am I required to start him

This is important because it indicates willingness or non-willingness to have Eli as their real boss. If that individual accepts Eli with no draft implies that it could get choppy and a longer runway is needed to really turn things around. Important because the incompetence of the owners and staff in putting a guy without experience into a difficult job and then tossing them to the wolves does look good, nor does the handling of the previous coach and then promptly dumping millions on defensive position upgrades. This view is a complete reversal of the claims of the Giants franchise as one that is coveted.
My opinion is completely biased being a Giants fan.  
blueblood : 1/14/2018 9:14 am : link
However I simply dont see the Lions as a better choice than the Giants for a head coaching job.

RE: Honestly - if a potential coaching candidate  
montanagiant : 1/14/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13785688 gidiefor said:
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is spooked by the fans and the media in a particular market, they are not the right candidate for that market, no matter how high they are ranked

100% correct. I mean seriously do we really want an HC who is scared of the media and the scrutiny of the NYC area? That screams to me someone who lacks confidence and why would we want that person to coach the Giants?

I also disagree with the idea we are not a desirable spot because we fired 2 HC's in 3 years. Where the mistake was made was not firing Reese at the same time as TC which allowed him to pick McAdoo who was obviously in over his head. Who would the hell look at the disastrous season we just had AND NOT think McAdoo and Reese needed to go? That does not make us unstable that makes us proactive in righting a wrong and if any HC candidate does not see it that way is either stupid or lacks the confidence needed to be a HC
There is a good chance the Giants and Lions already have their guy.  
Captplanet : 1/14/2018 11:05 am : link
When Crennel(Cleveland) and Weis(Notre Dame) left the Pats in 2005 they did not announce their hirings until after the Conference championship game. Belechek does not like anything interfering with his process, so I'm sure a stipulation to the Pats giving permission to speak with their assistants, teams may have had to agree to not announce any contracts or hires, until a specific date.


Weis and Crennel leave Pats - ( New Window )
RE: ...  
Andy in Boston : 1/14/2018 11:34 am : link
In comment 13785784 Eric from BBI said:
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In terms of how the Giants are perceived, keep this in mind:

In the past few years, they have fired:

- One GM.
- One Director of College Scouting.
- Two head coaches.
- A bunch of assistant coaches.


And the colts and Lions do?

This organization doesn't reek of stability right now.
RE: If the Giants have to circle back  
PatersonPlank : 1/14/2018 12:25 pm : link
In comment 13785811 AnnapolisMike said:
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It will be to Spags, not Wilks. The organization likes him, He has past experience as a HC (any experience is good experience). I think the fact that Spags has not been hired elsewhere indicates the Giants still want him as a coordinator at the least.

I don't think they will force him on someone, but if you are being honest, he is one of the top available DC's.


We could end up with Spags by default
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