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Duggan makes good point regarding Lions and Patricia

Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 10:04 am
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You don't need Patricia's degree in aeronautical engineering to do the math on the Giants' coaching search: The team is reportedly down to three finalists and there are three other teams with head coaching vacancies. That means it's possible that the Giants could be left without a chair when the music stops. So they need a backup plan.

On cue, Newsday reported on Friday that the Giants have an unidentified "sleeper" candidate. There are plenty of potential candidates for the doomsday scenario outlined above. It also would be a shrewd PR move for the Giants to leak out the existence of a sleeper candidate because if they struck out with the three reported favorites, everyone would view their hire as a backup plan. But now the Giants can claim whoever they hire was the sleeper candidate all along.

Patricia has been reported as the favorite for the Giants job by the New York Daily News and ESPN's Giants blog, but the Patriots defensive coordinator is still considered the favorite for the Lions by Detroit outlets.

The tell that the Lions still believe they have a shot at Patricia is that they haven't moved onto their other top candidate, Texans defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel. Vrabel, who is also a finalist for the Colts' opening, is eligible to be hired now. If the Lions get word that Patricia is headed to the Giants, they'll pull the trigger on hiring Vrabel. Until that happens, they clearly believe they're still in the running for Patricia.


The weird thing about all of this is that BOTH the Lions and Giants are acting a bit like they may have their candidate already (or in negotiations with him). But although some on BBI poo-poo the idea of the Giants getting screwed with none of their top three candidates coming here, I think we have to consider this as a real possibility. This could be like 1993 all over again.
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Selling newspapers at its finest  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 10:12 am : link
whatever happens happens - other than money I dont know why anyone would want to move to Detroit and have to deal with that front office over staying somewhat local and going to NY.
If an unproven 1st Time HC or a failed retread  
YorkAveGiant : 1/13/2018 10:15 am : link
Doesnt want to come to the Giants to play for Mara and Tisch, with a proven, grizzly, pure football GM in Gettleman...and wants to go to the freakin lions or colts???

Then Fn let him.

We getting who we want.

Giants keeping this quiet and doing it the way the league is supposed to do it with guys still coaching.
RE: Selling newspapers at its finest  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 10:15 am : link
In comment 13785655 UConn4523 said:
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whatever happens happens - other than money I dont know why anyone would want to move to Detroit and have to deal with that front office over staying somewhat local and going to NY.


Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.
This will be the biggest tell re: Patricia and the Giants.  
GMen131 : 1/13/2018 10:15 am : link
If/when Detroit moves on Vrabel, then you know we've got our guy (or at least who's been reported to be our guy). The longer Detroit waits it out, the more I feel like we end up with Shurmur (or I guess maybe Wilks as the backup plan). The waiting is painful lol
Detroit is an easier job  
AnnapolisMike : 1/13/2018 10:16 am : link
NY may be the most prestigious, but it also comes with the most pressure and ancillary bullshit. Could also be about the money and he is playing that game at the moment.

RE: RE: Selling newspapers at its finest  
AnnapolisMike : 1/13/2018 10:21 am : link
In comment 13785661 Eric from BBI said:
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Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.


The Giants took care of the nightmare by sitting Eli. The hard part is over, now it comes down to who is the best QB. I view Eli as a plus. He gives the Giants stability at QB if he plays well for the next two years. If the decline is real, then he sits when it is apparent Webb or someone else is ready.
RE: RE: Selling newspapers at its finest  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 10:23 am : link
In comment 13785661 Eric from BBI said:
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whatever happens happens - other than money I dont know why anyone would want to move to Detroit and have to deal with that front office over staying somewhat local and going to NY.



Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.


Thats a short term vision, IMO. The Eli transition may not even be hat big of a deal with cometant people in charge (fans tend to think everything is awful). #2 overall pick, plus several probowlers on a relatively young defense, and the return of Beckham is simply a better scenario, IMO, especially long term.

Uprooting your family to Detroit is also a hard sell for anyone. I have family hat just did that from Florida and lets just say they dont exactly enjoy being there.
AnnapolisMike/UConn  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 10:27 am : link
I don't think this is the slam dunk you guys do. The Giants are not as attractive as many Giants fans think they are. We have some great selling points, but some serious issues.

If the Lions were interviewing other candidates, I would be pretty sure Patricia is coming here. But they aren't. A Lions fan should also feel uneasy that the Giants have supposedly said Wilks is out of the picture.

And what is Arizona doing? Is Shurmur locked in there now too?

Four teams. Three "hot" coaches.
RE: RE: Selling newspapers at its finest  
Boy Cord : 1/13/2018 10:33 am : link
In comment 13785661 Eric from BBI said:
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whatever happens happens - other than money I dont know why anyone would want to move to Detroit and have to deal with that front office over staying somewhat local and going to NY.



Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.


Plus, the Lions can keep Jim Bob Cooter as OC. Maintains continuity and takes a lot of time and focus off of Patricia. He can really hone in on defense and managing the team at a higher level. Makes a lot of sense.
Have to agree with that Eric  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/13/2018 10:33 am : link
especially since Patricia just witnessed firsthand the power struggle between Brady and himself. Having Eli there may make it less attractive as he may become the "bad guy."

The funny thing about expectations though, everyone says the Lions fans expect less, but is this true today?

With Stafford, Lions should make the playoffs every year and should start making title runs in his prime.

Giants are in rebuild mode and will take time. I think Giants fans that see progress will be less disgruntled over an 8-8 season than Lions fans.

Its all about Patricia's perspective, which we dont know. Or that they even think about these matters.
RE: Detroit is an easier job  
Rory : 1/13/2018 10:35 am : link
In comment 13785663 AnnapolisMike said:
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NY may be the most prestigious, but it also comes with the most pressure and ancillary bullshit. Could also be about the money and he is playing that game at the moment.


This times 1000 , NY media and fans are a deterrent to coaching in the NY market. Wish fans would get that.
Honestly - if a potential coaching candidate  
gidiefor : Mod : 1/13/2018 10:39 am : link
is spooked by the fans and the media in a particular market, they are not the right candidate for that market, no matter how high they are ranked
he's uprooting his family either way  
bluepepper : 1/13/2018 10:40 am : link
Not sure what the difference is in moving a couple hundred miles to five or six hundred miles. Nor is there much of a difference between a posh suburb in Detroit and a posh suburb in NJ - except it's probably a good bit cheaper in Detroit.

You have to believe that Patricia and other  
Rory : 1/13/2018 10:41 am : link
candidates are evaluating how NY handled Macadoo's 2nd year after being in the playoffs the year before.

This is precisely why the organization didn't want to fall to the plea of the media and fans to fire Macadoo mid season.

Giants fans/media got what they wanted but now here's the downside of those actions.
The Lions have interviewed as many candidates....  
MOOPS : 1/13/2018 10:45 am : link
as we have. Patricia, Vrabel, Shurmur, Winston Moss, plus their own two Coordinators, both viable candidates. If they lose out on Patricia they're still in decent shape.
If we're dead set on Patricia and we lose out, we've likely also lost out on Shurmur who will already be spoken for. I don't really like our other options in that case.
Patricia is obviously in the driver's seat.

RE: Honestly - if a potential coaching candidate  
Rory : 1/13/2018 10:46 am : link
In comment 13785688 gidiefor said:
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is spooked by the fans and the media in a particular market, they are not the right candidate for that market, no matter how high they are ranked


So cliche to say.
RE: You have to believe that Patricia and other  
Sammo85 : 1/13/2018 10:48 am : link
In comment 13785691 Rory said:
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candidates are evaluating how NY handled Macadoo's 2nd year after being in the playoffs the year before.

This is precisely why the organization didn't want to fall to the plea of the media and fans to fire Macadoo mid season.

Giants fans/media got what they wanted but now here's the downside of those actions.


Total and utter nonsense.
The Giants are the better job..  
Sean : 1/13/2018 10:49 am : link
It isnt even close. There have been lean years here for a million different reasons. Is it a tough job? Of course, but it is 1000% a better job.
I dont think its a slam dunk at all  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 10:55 am : link
but the job is definitively better than the Lions job. Its not even a question. But there are other variables that we arent privy to which makes it still a question.
Eric is right...  
bw in dc : 1/13/2018 10:56 am : link
Quinn is the key in Detroit. If Patricia trusts him more than DG, which would make sense, than Detroit would be the leader in the clubhouse....
And moreso than fan expextations  
Jim in Forest Hills : 1/13/2018 10:57 am : link
are owner expectations. Will the Ford family be ok with a playoff run here and there? Or are they desperate to win the superbowl?

We know Mara wants the Lombardi, but I think they see the rebuild is ahead.
I don't see what's wrong with Wilks  
ij_reilly : 1/13/2018 10:58 am : link
So if the Giants miss out on the Big 3, they will probably choose Wilks.

I don't see a problem with that.

This is Gettleman's team now. I see a big plus in terms of organizational consistency by bringing in Wilks.

I would argue that the "thinking" across coach an GM was a major problem for the Giants over the past five years. I think Reese was not sufficiently on the same page as Coughlin or McAdoo (Not an excuse for McAdooo, shitty coach!).

Wilks would need to assemble a strong staff with some very experienced coaches. Along the lines of Tom Cable as OL coach, to use an example.

I am very pro Wilks.
RE: AnnapolisMike/UConn  
The_Boss : 1/13/2018 11:04 am : link
In comment 13785673 Eric from BBI said:
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I don't think this is the slam dunk you guys do. The Giants are not as attractive as many Giants fans think they are. We have some great selling points, but some serious issues.

If the Lions were interviewing other candidates, I would be pretty sure Patricia is coming here. But they aren't. A Lions fan should also feel uneasy that the Giants have supposedly said Wilks is out of the picture.

And what is Arizona doing? Is Shurmur locked in there now too?

Four teams. Three "hot" coaches.


So glad they hired Gettleman so fast with the premise of them getting a leg up on the competition for an extensive HC search. Mara is going to look
like a fool if the described doomsday scenario plays itself out and they need to circle back to Wilks. The fact that they had to leak a secret candidate lends itself to the notion that theyre admitting a doomsday scenario is definitely in play and they want to plant the seeds for the well, he was our guy all along narrative to avoid taking an embarrassing PR hit.
I dont want to sound  
BP in Delray : 1/13/2018 11:08 am : link
Hysterical, but in a larger sense, the HC of the NYG has traditionally been one of the most coveted jobs in all of footballcollege or pro. In my eyes, the fact that it possibly isnt anymore, and that a candidate would choose the Detroit Lions job over the Giants job, speaks to the level that John Mara has let this franchise fall to. Sure, Ill recognize MP knows the Lions GM, and athe QB situation is more stable. However, time was, if the Giants job was open, that meant something. Its part of our pride as Giants fansthe prestige and tradition that comes along with this franchise. The fact that it may be at all tarnished is upsetting and I hold John Mara directly accountable. His decision making over the last several years has been suspect and Im not sure its viewed as the stable franchise it once was.

Thats it, rant over. We shall see how it plays out.
Duggan keeps stealing from this website  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2018 11:13 am : link
The other night a poster posts that we could be screwed because we may miss out on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Duggan then tweets almost the same exact thing. Then I remember Diver Down posting something whether it was him or the thread title called musical chairs. Now Duggan uses that in his article? Unreal.
RE: Duggan keeps stealing from this website  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 11:14 am : link
In comment 13785720 robbieballs2003 said:
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The other night a poster posts that we could be screwed because we may miss out on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Duggan then tweets almost the same exact thing. Then I remember Diver Down posting something whether it was him or the thread title called musical chairs. Now Duggan uses that in his article? Unreal.


I think it was actually the reverse. I think Dan originally tweeted about this, and then BBI started a discussion about it.
how would Patricia not take the giants job if he's a BB protege  
mphbullet36 : 1/13/2018 11:14 am : link
Bill would obviously push Patricia towards the giants job right? It really makes no sense outside the lions having stafford what in the world would make him lean towards detroit over us...our team and organization historically is more stable.

our division doesn't have aaron rodgers I would think patricia would know understand how brady has caused the teams in afc east to basically have no chance year in and year out.
We need a hitdog  
DCPollaro : 1/13/2018 11:15 am : link
Sighting to clear everything up
Short term vs. Long term  
George : 1/13/2018 11:15 am : link
To my eye, the Giants job is more attractive than the Lions' opening for a candidate who thinks he'll be roaming the sidelines for a long time. He knows he will have to oversee the farewell of Eli Manning, which will be painful for a lot of people and will put him in the crosshairs of some: but he also knows he'll have a young QB to groom, and that the two of them might ride off into the sunset together with a dozen years of successes to reflect on in their golden years.

But the Giants' roster is in shambles, with holes at about six different positions that need attention for the next few years to come. We won't be a playoff contender for the rest of this decade, so the short term will be tough.

The Lions, on the other hand, have some good pieces in place to make a run in 2018. They need a couple of Big Play guys and a lock down CB, but they're one good draft and two decent FA signings away from contending next year.

However, it's the Lions, and that means that something is bound to go wrong after a couple of good years. Coaches tend not to stick around that team for very long, so the guy thinking about taking that job will want to be a in "right now" frame of mind.

So I'd be willing to guess that Shurmer and McDaniels, who've been head coaches before and don't want to screw around with the pain of losing lots of games in the first three years of their contracts, will be more interested in the Lions job than the Giants job. And that Wilks and Patricia, eager to make their mark and establish a legacy of their own,, would be more interested in building from the ground up and making this a 12 year deal.

Just a random thought.


I've thought this for a while  
DavidinBMNY : 1/13/2018 11:16 am : link
It's obvious that the Giants job isn't amazingly appealing. NY should be more appealing then DET if your planning to spend 10 years of your life there given the cultural scene and what success in NY can do for someone.

There's a possibility that Bellichek's feelings about the organization carry a degree of influence with Patricia as well.

Detroit almost made the playoffs and did make it last year I believe. They have a pretty decent roster and probably have as much or more cap space with a lot less locker room headaches.

On the flip side our locker room is a complete disaster, we have 2 1st round picks that are basically busts and a QB in the twilight of his career.

I guess you could say the only place to go is "Up".

Maybe Patricia earlier in his life was a giants fan - that might be the rub :-) since he is from upstate NY.

At this point, I'd rate us better then Indy only as Irsay is Irsay, luck's health is ehhh. Maybe since Arizona doesn't have a QB a tad better.
RE: RE: Duggan keeps stealing from this website  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2018 11:18 am : link
In comment 13785721 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13785720 robbieballs2003 said:


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The other night a poster posts that we could be screwed because we may miss out on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Duggan then tweets almost the same exact thing. Then I remember Diver Down posting something whether it was him or the thread title called musical chairs. Now Duggan uses that in his article? Unreal.



I think it was actually the reverse. I think Dan originally tweeted about this, and then BBI started a discussion about it.


Nope
This search has been going on for what 10 days?  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 11:22 am : link
This is not a long time for a search. How about we take the Giants at their word and they have eliminated 3 candidates and they have moved 3 candidates into round 2. At this point Tisch wil be involved and the Giants are trying to narrow to a consensus first choice who would return for something between a 2nd interview and a job offer. It sounds like that person is Matt Patricia with Pat Shurmur having a shot too.
This is whats been out there.

Why is this so hard to believe? None of these candidates are stand outs. They are all new to the Giants. Yes there may be some connections like Belichick, etc but its entirely plausible that Patricia and Shurmur have never met Mara and Tisch and Gettleman and Abrams until 10 days ago.

None of these candidates are slam dunks and they all have pluses and minuses. Its entirely possible that the Giants want to deliberately move after they rushed their last search and jumped on a grenade after being pressured by McAdoo over Philly.

Theres no Tom Coughlin here, a guy with long Giants connections with a history of success as a head coach.

Add to the mix is that all of these guys are in the playoffs and their are stupid NFL rules to contend with.

This is a tough, risky hire.

The Giants should go through their process. They shouldnt be rushed.

If Patricia jumps to the Lions and Shurmur to the Cards, so be it. You ruled out Wilks, you dont go back. You move on to new candidates. Frank Reich, Dave Toub, Mike Vrabel, maybe some college coaches. Arizonas looking at NE LB coach, bring him in. Theres no guarantees on Shurmur or Patricia.
Here  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2018 11:27 am : link
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robbieballs2003 : 1/11/2018 9:48 pm : link : reply
In comment 13784054 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
1h1 hour ago


"Doomsday scenario" for Giants would be Shurmur to Cardinals, Patricia to Lions, McDaniels to Colts



Hmmm

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Tittle 9 20 64 : 7:18 pm : link : reply

Shurmur goes to the Cardinals, Patricia to the Lions, and McDaniels to the Colts. Whats plan B?
My best guess on whats happening here  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 11:28 am : link
Patricia wants the Giants, Lions want Patricia. Patricia is leader in Giants race but doesnt have the job yet.

Lions are waiting on Patricia and have Vrabel in hand. Patricia has told them he is still deciding and will likely meet with Giants again before a final decision is made. Lions think they are still in mix for Patricia. No one else seems to be in Vrabel so they have time to let Patricia decide.

If the Lions wanted Patricia and Patricia wanted the Lions, it would be done by now.
and  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2018 11:28 am : link
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Diver_Down : 1/11/2018 9:56 pm : link : reply
In comment 13784054 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
‏Verified account @DDuggan21
1h1 hour ago


"Doomsday scenario" for Giants would be Shurmur to Cardinals, Patricia to Lions, McDaniels to Colts

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I alluded to this in the Musical Chairs scenario back on the 8th.


Better find a seat when the music stops - ( New Window )
from the musical chairs link that Diver was talking about  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2018 11:29 am : link
RE: No way of knowing for sure
Diver_Down : 1/8/2018 9:51 am : link : reply
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.


And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
My worry the past few days...  
Jerry K : 1/13/2018 11:30 am : link
There's a good possibility that Patricia is the Giants' first choice but he could go to the Lions instead, leaving the Giants with the third, fourth, or fifth guy on their list and a feeling that they've started off a new era on the wrong foot.
or what  
Jerry K : 1/13/2018 11:31 am : link
Robbieballs just said.
Where Duggan/BBI is going wrong here  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 11:31 am : link
Is assuming that the Giants have decided their man is Patricia. That is likely not the case. Patricia probably hasnt sealed the deal.

The thought process here seems to be Giants have decided and Lions have decided and its Patricia who is still undecided .

I dont think thats true. I think there is a faction in Giants management that is interested in Shurmur and still has questions on Patricia.

RE: My worry the past few days...  
robbieballs2003 : 1/13/2018 11:37 am : link
In comment 13785744 Jerry K said:
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There's a good possibility that Patricia is the Giants' first choice but he could go to the Lions instead, leaving the Giants with the third, fourth, or fifth guy on their list and a feeling that they've started off a new era on the wrong foot.


That wasn't me saying that. Other posters posted that the other night. I was posting that as evidence that Dan is taking the ideas from other posters and creating his articles from them.
there are good reasons for choosing NYG  
bluepepper : 1/13/2018 11:40 am : link
over Detroit but can we stop with the idea that there's some special mystique about the franchise or NYC?

You can win titles and build legends anywhere. Lombardi went to a piss ass little town in WI and built a dynasty. The Steelers had been garbage for decades and Pittsburgh was, to use current parlance, a shithole in the 1970's when Noll went there.

Patricia is a bright guy, he's not going to pick the Giants because Frank Gifford played here or because NYC is the "greatest city on earth" or other such nonsense.
RE: from the musical chairs link that Diver was talking about  
The_Boss : 1/13/2018 11:43 am : link
In comment 13785743 robbieballs2003 said:
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RE: No way of knowing for sure
Diver_Down : 1/8/2018 9:51 am : link : reply
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...

Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.




And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.


As if the franchise needs to be made the butt of jokes again. Im already hearing from people nobody wants to coach your wretched franchise.
robbie  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 11:44 am : link
Two thing:

(1) It's not too hard to come to this conclusion on your own.

(2) Who cares? Beat writers get ideas/info from BBI all of the time. Garafolo even told me that.
RE: Where Duggan/BBI is going wrong here  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 11:46 am : link
In comment 13785746 twostepgiants said:
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Is assuming that the Giants have decided their man is Patricia. That is likely not the case. Patricia probably hasnt sealed the deal.

The thought process here seems to be Giants have decided and Lions have decided and its Patricia who is still undecided .

I dont think thats true. I think there is a faction in Giants management that is interested in Shurmur and still has questions on Patricia.


None of us know for sure (which is the key statement), but the conventional wisdom is that Shurmur is the leading candidate in Arizona, McDaniels the leading candidate in Indy, and Patricia the leading candidate in Detroit.

So the same situation applies to all three.

Regardless, the reason why Patricia is "believed" to be the nom du jur is because the beat writers have said so.
IMO  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 11:47 am : link
this "long term" verus "short term" argument holds less meaning in 2017.

What is long term in the NFL anymore? Hell, if a coach lasts four years now, it's a big deal.
This not 1993  
twostepgiants : 1/13/2018 11:48 am : link
You had a very hot market with highly regarded guys who had a lot of good options.

Tom Coughlin was an inside candidate who the Giants new very well. He ultimately turned down Giants for Boston College. There is no candidate here with a college option that we know of. College jobs are very attractive for a variety of reasons and BC especially if you have a certain background that TC had.

Dave Wannstedt was he DC of the dynasty Cowboys and was considered cant miss as he won 2 SBs and a national title for Miami as DC. Hes most akin here to Patricia who is not considered cant miss because of the number of coordinators who failed after BB. That wasnt the case in Dallas. Wannstedt turned down the Giants for the Bears. The BEars job is another great job for a great franshise in a great city with a long history. The Bears in 1993 had just come off maybe one of their best 10 year runs and had won a SB 8 years earlier and been to the playoffs several times. I think the Bears job can easily be seen as an equal to the Giants job in 1993.

The Lions, Cards and Colts are not equals to the Giants job and have had no where the Giants success.

Dan Reeves whom the Giants ultimately settled on was a long term successful head coach who had taken the teams to 3 Super Bowls. There is no Dan Reeves fall back in this market.

This is a very different market then what happened in 1993. In addition the Giants reputation as a franchise has changed. In 1993 they were considered a team resurrected by Parcells, LT, Simms, Young etc and that they were the only reasons for the success from 1984-1990 and that was over. The Giants may be back to the 70s.

Now the Giants have since been to 3 Super Bowls and won 2. They have proven to have stable ownership and management and are a blue chip NFL franshise.

Its not the same.
twostepgiants  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/13/2018 11:49 am : link
The point is that in 1993 we had to fall back to our 3rd or 4th option. Reeves wasn't even on the radar scope at first.
What the doomsayers leave out  
LakeGeorgeGiant : 1/13/2018 11:51 am : link
is that the pundits have also claimed that Patricia prefers NY. Why do we trust the pundits that say Patricia to Detroit and McD to Indy, and Shurmer to Arizona but conveniently leave out the part that doesn't point toward impending doom?
If  
PaulN : 1/13/2018 11:54 am : link
The Giants are left without a coach, then that tells us everything we need to know about John Mara. Keeping Reese here was a fucking disaster, I told you guys that, but I was told he would have a GM job in 5 minutes. He really did a number on this franchise. John Mara stood there are watched. Did nothing. They better get this right or they will see Giant fans react like they never seen before, this is not the old loyal days anymore, people will say screw you.
RE: IMO  
UConn4523 : 1/13/2018 11:55 am : link
In comment 13785764 Eric from BBI said:
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this "long term" verus "short term" argument holds less meaning in 2017.

What is long term in the NFL anymore? Hell, if a coach lasts four years now, it's a big deal.


Its a huge deal. No candidate is going into this thinking, well, 4 years is average and thats what I want. They want a long term job which can only happen these days if they perform well.
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