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You don't need Patricia's degree in aeronautical engineering to do the math on the Giants' coaching search: The team is reportedly down to three finalists and there are three other teams with head coaching vacancies. That means it's possible that the Giants could be left without a chair when the music stops. So they need a backup plan. On cue, Newsday reported on Friday that the Giants have an unidentified "sleeper" candidate. There are plenty of potential candidates for the doomsday scenario outlined above. It also would be a shrewd PR move for the Giants to leak out the existence of a sleeper candidate because if they struck out with the three reported favorites, everyone would view their hire as a backup plan. But now the Giants can claim whoever they hire was the sleeper candidate all along. Patricia has been reported as the favorite for the Giants job by the New York Daily News and ESPN's Giants blog, but the Patriots defensive coordinator is still considered the favorite for the Lions by Detroit outlets. The tell that the Lions still believe they have a shot at Patricia is that they haven't moved onto their other top candidate, Texans defensive coordinator Mike Vrabel. Vrabel, who is also a finalist for the Colts' opening, is eligible to be hired now. If the Lions get word that Patricia is headed to the Giants, they'll pull the trigger on hiring Vrabel. Until that happens, they clearly believe they're still in the running for Patricia. |
Then Fn let him.
We getting who we want.
Giants keeping this quiet and doing it the way the league is supposed to do it with guys still coaching.
Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.
Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.
The Giants took care of the nightmare by sitting Eli. The hard part is over, now it comes down to who is the best QB. I view Eli as a plus. He gives the Giants stability at QB if he plays well for the next two years. If the decline is real, then he sits when it is apparent Webb or someone else is ready.
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whatever happens happens - other than money I dont know why anyone would want to move to Detroit and have to deal with that front office over staying somewhat local and going to NY.
Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.
Thats a short term vision, IMO. The Eli transition may not even be hat big of a deal with cometant people in charge (fans tend to think everything is awful). #2 overall pick, plus several probowlers on a relatively young defense, and the return of Beckham is simply a better scenario, IMO, especially long term.
Uprooting your family to Detroit is also a hard sell for anyone. I have family hat just did that from Florida and lets just say they dont exactly enjoy being there.
If the Lions were interviewing other candidates, I would be pretty sure Patricia is coming here. But they aren't. A Lions fan should also feel uneasy that the Giants have supposedly said Wilks is out of the picture.
And what is Arizona doing? Is Shurmur locked in there now too?
Four teams. Three "hot" coaches.
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whatever happens happens - other than money I dont know why anyone would want to move to Detroit and have to deal with that front office over staying somewhat local and going to NY.
Well, a big reason is Patricia knows Quinn, the GM for the Lions. Also, the Lions' QB situation is far, far more settled and Patricia won't be encumbered with the Eli transition nightmare.
Plus, the Lions can keep Jim Bob Cooter as OC. Maintains continuity and takes a lot of time and focus off of Patricia. He can really hone in on defense and managing the team at a higher level. Makes a lot of sense.
The funny thing about expectations though, everyone says the Lions fans expect less, but is this true today?
With Stafford, Lions should make the playoffs every year and should start making title runs in his prime.
Giants are in rebuild mode and will take time. I think Giants fans that see progress will be less disgruntled over an 8-8 season than Lions fans.
Its all about Patricia's perspective, which we dont know. Or that they even think about these matters.
This times 1000 , NY media and fans are a deterrent to coaching in the NY market. Wish fans would get that.
This is precisely why the organization didn't want to fall to the plea of the media and fans to fire Macadoo mid season.
Giants fans/media got what they wanted but now here's the downside of those actions.
If we're dead set on Patricia and we lose out, we've likely also lost out on Shurmur who will already be spoken for. I don't really like our other options in that case.
Patricia is obviously in the driver's seat.
So cliche to say.
This is precisely why the organization didn't want to fall to the plea of the media and fans to fire Macadoo mid season.
Giants fans/media got what they wanted but now here's the downside of those actions.
Total and utter nonsense.
We know Mara wants the Lombardi, but I think they see the rebuild is ahead.
I don't see a problem with that.
This is Gettleman's team now. I see a big plus in terms of organizational consistency by bringing in Wilks.
I would argue that the "thinking" across coach an GM was a major problem for the Giants over the past five years. I think Reese was not sufficiently on the same page as Coughlin or McAdoo (Not an excuse for McAdooo, shitty coach!).
Wilks would need to assemble a strong staff with some very experienced coaches. Along the lines of Tom Cable as OL coach, to use an example.
I am very pro Wilks.
If the Lions were interviewing other candidates, I would be pretty sure Patricia is coming here. But they aren't. A Lions fan should also feel uneasy that the Giants have supposedly said Wilks is out of the picture.
And what is Arizona doing? Is Shurmur locked in there now too?
Four teams. Three "hot" coaches.
So glad they hired Gettleman so fast with the premise of them getting a leg up on the competition for an extensive HC search. Mara is going to look
like a fool if the described doomsday scenario plays itself out and they need to circle back to Wilks. The fact that they had to leak a secret candidate lends itself to the notion that theyre admitting a doomsday scenario is definitely in play and they want to plant the seeds for the well, he was our guy all along narrative to avoid taking an embarrassing PR hit.
Thats it, rant over. We shall see how it plays out.
I think it was actually the reverse. I think Dan originally tweeted about this, and then BBI started a discussion about it.
our division doesn't have aaron rodgers I would think patricia would know understand how brady has caused the teams in afc east to basically have no chance year in and year out.
But the Giants' roster is in shambles, with holes at about six different positions that need attention for the next few years to come. We won't be a playoff contender for the rest of this decade, so the short term will be tough.
The Lions, on the other hand, have some good pieces in place to make a run in 2018. They need a couple of Big Play guys and a lock down CB, but they're one good draft and two decent FA signings away from contending next year.
However, it's the Lions, and that means that something is bound to go wrong after a couple of good years. Coaches tend not to stick around that team for very long, so the guy thinking about taking that job will want to be a in "right now" frame of mind.
So I'd be willing to guess that Shurmer and McDaniels, who've been head coaches before and don't want to screw around with the pain of losing lots of games in the first three years of their contracts, will be more interested in the Lions job than the Giants job. And that Wilks and Patricia, eager to make their mark and establish a legacy of their own,, would be more interested in building from the ground up and making this a 12 year deal.
Just a random thought.
There's a possibility that Bellichek's feelings about the organization carry a degree of influence with Patricia as well.
Detroit almost made the playoffs and did make it last year I believe. They have a pretty decent roster and probably have as much or more cap space with a lot less locker room headaches.
On the flip side our locker room is a complete disaster, we have 2 1st round picks that are basically busts and a QB in the twilight of his career.
I guess you could say the only place to go is "Up".
Maybe Patricia earlier in his life was a giants fan - that might be the rub :-) since he is from upstate NY.
At this point, I'd rate us better then Indy only as Irsay is Irsay, luck's health is ehhh. Maybe since Arizona doesn't have a QB a tad better.
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The other night a poster posts that we could be screwed because we may miss out on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Duggan then tweets almost the same exact thing. Then I remember Diver Down posting something whether it was him or the thread title called musical chairs. Now Duggan uses that in his article? Unreal.
I think it was actually the reverse. I think Dan originally tweeted about this, and then BBI started a discussion about it.
Nope
This is whats been out there.
Why is this so hard to believe? None of these candidates are stand outs. They are all new to the Giants. Yes there may be some connections like Belichick, etc but its entirely plausible that Patricia and Shurmur have never met Mara and Tisch and Gettleman and Abrams until 10 days ago.
None of these candidates are slam dunks and they all have pluses and minuses. Its entirely possible that the Giants want to deliberately move after they rushed their last search and jumped on a grenade after being pressured by McAdoo over Philly.
Theres no Tom Coughlin here, a guy with long Giants connections with a history of success as a head coach.
Add to the mix is that all of these guys are in the playoffs and their are stupid NFL rules to contend with.
This is a tough, risky hire.
The Giants should go through their process. They shouldnt be rushed.
If Patricia jumps to the Lions and Shurmur to the Cards, so be it. You ruled out Wilks, you dont go back. You move on to new candidates. Frank Reich, Dave Toub, Mike Vrabel, maybe some college coaches. Arizonas looking at NE LB coach, bring him in. Theres no guarantees on Shurmur or Patricia.
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In comment 13784054 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
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"Doomsday scenario" for Giants would be Shurmur to Cardinals, Patricia to Lions, McDaniels to Colts
Hmmm
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Tittle 9 20 64 : 7:18 pm : link : reply
Shurmur goes to the Cardinals, Patricia to the Lions, and McDaniels to the Colts. Whats plan B?
Lions are waiting on Patricia and have Vrabel in hand. Patricia has told them he is still deciding and will likely meet with Giants again before a final decision is made. Lions think they are still in mix for Patricia. No one else seems to be in Vrabel so they have time to let Patricia decide.
If the Lions wanted Patricia and Patricia wanted the Lions, it would be done by now.
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In comment 13784054 Eric from BBI said:
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Dan Duggan
Verified account @DDuggan21
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"Doomsday scenario" for Giants would be Shurmur to Cardinals, Patricia to Lions, McDaniels to Colts
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I alluded to this in the Musical Chairs scenario back on the 8th.
Better find a seat when the music stops - ( New Window )
Diver_Down : 1/8/2018 9:51 am : link : reply
In comment 13777792 Eric from BBI said:
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
The thought process here seems to be Giants have decided and Lions have decided and its Patricia who is still undecided .
I dont think thats true. I think there is a faction in Giants management that is interested in Shurmur and still has questions on Patricia.
That wasn't me saying that. Other posters posted that the other night. I was posting that as evidence that Dan is taking the ideas from other posters and creating his articles from them.
You can win titles and build legends anywhere. Lombardi went to a piss ass little town in WI and built a dynasty. The Steelers had been garbage for decades and Pittsburgh was, to use current parlance, a shithole in the 1970's when Noll went there.
Patricia is a bright guy, he's not going to pick the Giants because Frank Gifford played here or because NYC is the "greatest city on earth" or other such nonsense.
Diver_Down : 1/8/2018 9:51 am : link : reply
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but according to various pundits...
Shurmur is favorite in Arizona.
Patricia is favorite in Detroit.
McDaniels is favorite in Chicago or Indy.
And with the way this past season went, it would be appropriate if we are left standing after the music stops. Just when we thought the shit-show was over, it apparently is making it's final encore.
As if the franchise needs to be made the butt of jokes again. Im already hearing from people nobody wants to coach your wretched franchise.
(1) It's not too hard to come to this conclusion on your own.
(2) Who cares? Beat writers get ideas/info from BBI all of the time. Garafolo even told me that.
The thought process here seems to be Giants have decided and Lions have decided and its Patricia who is still undecided .
I dont think thats true. I think there is a faction in Giants management that is interested in Shurmur and still has questions on Patricia.
None of us know for sure (which is the key statement), but the conventional wisdom is that Shurmur is the leading candidate in Arizona, McDaniels the leading candidate in Indy, and Patricia the leading candidate in Detroit.
So the same situation applies to all three.
Regardless, the reason why Patricia is "believed" to be the nom du jur is because the beat writers have said so.
What is long term in the NFL anymore? Hell, if a coach lasts four years now, it's a big deal.
Tom Coughlin was an inside candidate who the Giants new very well. He ultimately turned down Giants for Boston College. There is no candidate here with a college option that we know of. College jobs are very attractive for a variety of reasons and BC especially if you have a certain background that TC had.
Dave Wannstedt was he DC of the dynasty Cowboys and was considered cant miss as he won 2 SBs and a national title for Miami as DC. Hes most akin here to Patricia who is not considered cant miss because of the number of coordinators who failed after BB. That wasnt the case in Dallas. Wannstedt turned down the Giants for the Bears. The BEars job is another great job for a great franshise in a great city with a long history. The Bears in 1993 had just come off maybe one of their best 10 year runs and had won a SB 8 years earlier and been to the playoffs several times. I think the Bears job can easily be seen as an equal to the Giants job in 1993.
The Lions, Cards and Colts are not equals to the Giants job and have had no where the Giants success.
Dan Reeves whom the Giants ultimately settled on was a long term successful head coach who had taken the teams to 3 Super Bowls. There is no Dan Reeves fall back in this market.
This is a very different market then what happened in 1993. In addition the Giants reputation as a franchise has changed. In 1993 they were considered a team resurrected by Parcells, LT, Simms, Young etc and that they were the only reasons for the success from 1984-1990 and that was over. The Giants may be back to the 70s.
Now the Giants have since been to 3 Super Bowls and won 2. They have proven to have stable ownership and management and are a blue chip NFL franshise.
Its not the same.
What is long term in the NFL anymore? Hell, if a coach lasts four years now, it's a big deal.
Its a huge deal. No candidate is going into this thinking, well, 4 years is average and thats what I want. They want a long term job which can only happen these days if they perform well.