Who do you think has the best chance of coming back strong - the Giants or Lions ?
The Lions - Matthew Stafford, Ziggy Ansah, Darius slay, Eric Ebron
Or the Giants: Three 1st team 2016 ALL PROs - Damon Harrison, Landon Collins, Odell Beckham and two 2nd team - Olivier Vernon and Janoris Jenkins
The Giants flopped in 2017 because of injuries to key players and their weak Offensive Line was finally fully exposed. But, the Lions are fundamentally the inferior team, across the board.
The Giants are maybe 3 or 4 top tier players from making a SB run; the Lions maybe 6 or 7 (or more)
Sorry to say. Recovering the hole that Jerry Reese dug will take some time.
NYC is a better place to live than Detroit, but from purely at team outlook, Detroit is the better option.
But as a defensive guy, you have a QB in place with Stafford, and can turn the team into a contender if you fix the D. I'm not betting on my ability to develop a QB if I'm a defensive guy, so I'd head to Detroit and count on fixing the defense and riding Stafford.
One thing that occurred to me is the assumption that Detroit, with Stafford, gives an edge to Detroit in terms of QB.
This may not be true. It actually may be a detriment.
Stafford is a very good QB, and still relatively young. I concede those things but he has a huge contract. I believe he gets 27 mil/ year, and is signed for 5 more years.
So you have a QB that is good, but may not be your guy, and there is no way to get rid of him for a while.
Additionally he takes up a huge portion of the Salary cap.
1. The New England model: Brady takes less then market value. They take later QBs and develop them.
2. Patricias idea for a team MAY be: a defensive team that runs the ball. He will not be able to build that identity with Stafford and his contract. Stafford is "the face of the franchise" and will be for a while.
3. There seems to be a thought that Detroit wants to hang on to Cooter for Stafford
OTOH: NY has a veteran QB with a short term contract at a reasonable price (YES 15 Mil for next year is reasonable)
They have a developmental QB
They have a high draft pick
That is options. That is flexibility. I belive flexibility is THE KEY COMPONENT to The patriots/ Belly philosophy. It will allow him to build HIS team faster.
Giants also have signifigantly more talented pieces on Defense.
I think the NFC East is an "easier" division to win in.
Green Bay and Minnesota are 2 legit teams and will be for a while (assuming Rodgers)
Washington is either gonna pay Capt. Kirk 25 mil/ year or start over. They are screwed
Dallas- I am not sold on Dak. The Oline is getting old, and has declined since Callahan left. anf Jerruh is always gonna undermind the team
The Eagles have a good young team, but I think Doug Pedersen is a liability, and Wentz is coming off major injury. I know people love to glorify Wents, but RGIII never looked the same after his, and is currently out of the league.
Anyway, stuff to think about
If I looked at Detroit I would see Staffords contract as a negative. Huge contract with no success to justify it. That’s not a selling point for me.
The Lions 20th over-all in the up-coming draft. You can do a whole lot of improvement, picking 2nd.
Where the Lions have the advantage is in 2018 projected cap space with $51.8M, the Giants are at $24M ....
The Giants have basically one unit to fix - the O-line (with some minor tweeks at WR and on defense); the Lions have holes, all over-the-place.
Who knows what he prefers but we have better defensive parts and better picks - so if we are going to assume what he would like, why not that?
Hands of stone may be a bit harsh, although he was third in the league in drops in 2016. He just has a knack for dropping passes when they count the most. He dropped four against Carolina this year, one a TD. The fans are always all over him about it. I think the main reason is that he is supposed to be this “receiving” TE specialist, and that’s the reason they deal with his subpar blocking. But if he is dropping passes that makes him a dual liability. You expect more in year 4 from the #10 overall pick in the 2014 draft. He may not even be on the team next season.
This is a good point. No one was happy to see anyone get hurt, but Detroit fans were all excited when he went down for the simple reason that they may actually have a chance to win the division with Rodgers out, the Bears struggling and the Vikings seemingly in a bad spot at QB with Keenum at that time. And once again they came up short.
Depends on what you consider a drop. 2 of them were “contested” and 2 were actual drops. Trust me, the guy has not lived up to the hype, Lions fans were cheering for Darren Fells every time he entered the game over Ebron. I’m just giving you the perspective of what the local market thinks of this guy since most people on here probably don’t pay very much attention to the Lions.
Detroit has a top 10 offense armed with a very good QB in the prime of his career. Patricia only needs to establish a running game (draft = LOADED) and improve the scoring defense (Patricia's forte). A lot of people feel Detroit is on the cusp. Not to mention Jim Bob Cooter is highly thought of around the league. (Quinn brought Cooter to New England to meet Patricia)
Patricia and Quinn have a very good relationship. The only reason this is all still in question is because Patricia is about as tight lipped as Belichick and from those who know him best, he's 100% focused on the Titans. He's also in no rush to leave New England so if Detroit or NYG for that matter get impatient (Detroit won't), he'll stay and do it all again next year.
Haha Bradshaw it’s not happening
The Lions -- if they do okay and still don't get the big one -- you are in obscurity for the rest of your coaching career -- and Stafford has never been a winner in the NFL - doesn't have an Oline - doesn't have as much as you think going for it
If you all weren't so familiar with the Giants and so wrapped up in the foul stench of the past season -- you'd clearly see that NY has a huge differential in talent over Detroit on both sides of the ball
Get the WRs healthy -- get some real offensive line and a real RB -- and the Giants can rock.
Get a couple of CBs and LBs and the Defense will be solid.
I want to remind you that most everyone thought the Giants were Superbowl bound this season -- just because things went sour in a "perfect storm" doesn't mean that wasn't true
The Lions -- if they do okay and still don't get the big one -- you are in obscurity for the rest of your coaching career -- and Stafford has never been a winner in the NFL - doesn't have an Oline - doesn't have as much as you think going for it
If you all weren't so familiar with the Giants and so wrapped up in the foul stench of the past season -- you'd clearly see that NY has a huge differential in talent over Detroit on both sides of the ball
Get the WRs healthy -- get some real offensive line and a real RB -- and the Giants can rock.
Get a couple of CBs and LBs and the Defense will be solid.
I want to remind you that most everyone thought the Giants were Superbowl bound this season -- just because things went sour in a "perfect storm" doesn't mean that wasn't true
exactly...people around here are acting like we have 30 fucking holes. we have a very valuable pick and already a few seriously impactful players...im sorry but IMO, you fix the oline and draft a good RB, this team could be right back in the mix fighting for a wildcard spot next year....people can say im nuts, but think about it...OBJ back healthy with engram and shepard, add a solid back and a revamped OL (sign norwell, spend a high pick on OL, add wheeler to mix and resign fluker). if that defense shows anything like they were in 2016, they could def compete
He graduated from and Upstate NY college as well ( RPI ).
I'm curious what his favorite pro team was growing up?
As related to the Giants, the up-coming draft does represent an "incipient moment" - a new beginning, an opportunity to ...
#1 clean up the mess that is the offensive line
#2 find a complimentary receiver for OBJ
There are secondary needs (like more pass rushers and LBs), but these are not acute.
It's not often that a team with six ALL PROs ends-up picking #2 over-all in the draft.
Jerry Reese did an excellent job rebuilding the defense but was inept in his efforts to field a top tier O-line (even with two #1, (Pugh & Flowers) and two #2s (Beatty & Richburg). Lets hope Gettleman does better ...
If he succeeds, I'm not worried about Philly; as was stated we matched up toe-to-toe, this past year with a depleted roster. They can be had.
The city of detroit sucks. The surrounding suburbs have some really, really nice and very affluent neighborhoods. People tend to think of detroit as only the broken down city.
The Lions -- if they do okay and still don't get the big one -- you are in obscurity for the rest of your coaching career -- and Stafford has never been a winner in the NFL - doesn't have an Oline - doesn't have as much as you think going for it
If you all weren't so familiar with the Giants and so wrapped up in the foul stench of the past season -- you'd clearly see that NY has a huge differential in talent over Detroit on both sides of the ball
Get the WRs healthy -- get some real offensive line and a real RB -- and the Giants can rock.
Get a couple of CBs and LBs and the Defense will be solid.
I want to remind you that most everyone thought the Giants were Superbowl bound this season -- just because things went sour in a "perfect storm" doesn't mean that wasn't true