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Schefter: Patricia to Lions

Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:11 am
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
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I'm not thrilled with Shurmur  
moespree : 1/14/2018 12:34 pm : link
But at least he's competent. There's been a significant level of incompetence around the Giants for some time now. At least he'll steady things. Can you win a Super Bowl with him as HC? I don't know, but if you asked me to predict that, I'd predict no to be honest about it.
Dave  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 12:34 pm : link
good point - Garafolo has been pretty on the money with the Giants this offseason - he didnt make any definitive statements and always said they are still deliberating, etc. He was right.
RE: Dave  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/14/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13787470 ryanmkeane said:
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you say hard pass yet plenty of great head coaches in this league were only coordinators for a short time before hired.

You would have missed out on a lot of great coaches if you always had this line of thinking. Coordinator experience does not guarantee success as a head coach. And no, it doesnt mean you have a better chance at succeeding either. It never has and it never will - its a myth.


This is going to be a very important hire in Giants history. I think it'd be extremely risky to go with another short-tenured coordinator after the McAdoo fiasco. Some stability is in order, IMO.
RE: One thing is for certain:  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 12:35 pm : link
In comment 13787464 ryanmkeane said:
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the Giants beat guys have been absolutely brutal during all of this. Someone mentioned the Raanan thing during the draft where he listed 15 players and not Engram. This feels similar.


I love Gary Myers going with the flavor of the day coach. McDaniels>Wilks>Belicheck>Patricia. Guy has as much "inside" as posters here.
Moespree  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 12:35 pm : link
Thats my line of thinking. Shurmur seems competent, smart, and good at offense. Theres probably 20 guys in the NFL like that, however.
RE: RE: One thing is for certain:  
Dave in Hoboken : 1/14/2018 12:36 pm : link
In comment 13787478 GFAN52 said:
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the Giants beat guys have been absolutely brutal during all of this. Someone mentioned the Raanan thing during the draft where he listed 15 players and not Engram. This feels similar.



I love Gary Myers going with the flavor of the day coach. McDaniels>Wilks>Belicheck>Patricia. Guy has as much "inside" as posters here.


Myers is such a joke.
RE: RE: you got a favorite candidate  
Fast Eddie : 1/14/2018 12:37 pm : link
In comment 13787424 Eric from BBI said:
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In comment 13787399 bc4life said:


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and/or a prediction?

Cmon hitdog

My views now are tainted by hitdog's e-mail to me. It's up to him whether he wants to share or not.
RE: RE: RE: One thing is for certain:  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 12:38 pm : link
In comment 13787481 Dave in Hoboken said:
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In comment 13787464 ryanmkeane said:


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the Giants beat guys have been absolutely brutal during all of this. Someone mentioned the Raanan thing during the draft where he listed 15 players and not Engram. This feels similar.



I love Gary Myers going with the flavor of the day coach. McDaniels>Wilks>Belicheck>Patricia. Guy has as much "inside" as posters here.



Myers is such a joke.


True that.
hitdog  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 12:42 pm : link
mentioned in another thread that we shouldnt remove McDaniels quite yet..
Ok Im going to throw  
NikkiMac : 1/14/2018 12:45 pm : link
Something out there the New Orleans Saints,as I expect them to win however good chance they lose.... Sean Payton might he be in the plans possibly as the secret guy or does he stay there and is there somebody on that staff that we might be interested in?
RE: RE: RE: It's Eli  
Ron from Ninerland : 1/14/2018 12:45 pm : link
In comment 13787423 HomerJones45 said:
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Waste a year on a hack who has already failed on multiple occasions. And this makes sense to you.
Lets look at that record. In 2008 he inherits a bad defense that starts the year giving up something like 70 points in their first two games. By the end of the year the defense is the best in the NFL with a super bowl ring. In 2009 they again have a playoff caliber defense. Then its off to an HC gig with the worst team in the NFL, the Rams. By his second year they were 7-9, then it all collapsed the third year because they couldn't score. Anybody want to guess who the OC was ? Josh McDaniels. He then takes a DC gig at NO that doesn't go well. Can anybody name a good DC from NO. Then he comes back here. As soon as we got some decent players we once again have a playoff caliber defense, despite having the worst offense in the NFL. I can't say for sure what happened this year, but having an HC that alienated and humiliated his players didn't help.

RE: Ok Im going to throw  
Ten Ton Hammer : 1/14/2018 12:47 pm : link
In comment 13787495 NikkiMac said:
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Something out there the New Orleans Saints,as I expect them to win however good chance they lose.... Sean Payton might he be in the plans possibly as the secret guy or does he stay there and is there somebody on that staff that we might be interested in?


The story before has been that Payton would come here, but the team isn't warm on him allegedly because of personality or off-field things that are unclear.

Payton  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 12:47 pm : link
was on the hitdog list
....  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2018 12:49 pm : link
gotta give picks for payton. rather him over others except of couRse BB
RE: RE: you got a favorite candidate  
3putt : 1/14/2018 12:49 pm : link
In comment 13787424 Eric from BBI said:
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and/or a prediction?



My views now are tainted by hitdog's e-mail to me. It's up to him whether he wants to share or not.


So Eric- are you happy, sad, mad, bad or glad after this email?
I also think  
NikkiMac : 1/14/2018 12:49 pm : link
That Macdaniel is still in the mix...

How about next year #1 for  
NikkiMac : 1/14/2018 12:55 pm : link
Sean Payton and whichever QBs he prefers Rosen or Darnold or Mayfield

RE: RE: LaCanfora seems to be off on a lot of this stuff but...  
Rflairr : 1/14/2018 12:55 pm : link
In comment 13787436 jeff57 said:
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Jason La Canfora
‏Verified account @JasonLaCanfora
2h2 hours ago

If the Vikes lose tonight the NYG and Cards will pounce on Shurmur. He'll be hired by Monday. I'd give the advantage to NYG in that scenario



And Vacchiano says itappears that Shurmur would prefer Arizona. Based on what, I have no idea.


The only reason, I can see that is its because he could for sure take a QB like Keenam with him there. Other than that, theyre brutal as far as offensive talent.
RE: RE: RE: have any of you considered that  
Emil : 1/14/2018 12:57 pm : link
In comment 13787170 gidiefor said:
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this was leaked to Schefter and that it's a bargaining ploy?



Had not. That sounds incredibly crafty of Mara, not sure thats our style😋



Emil - leaked by someone in the Patricia camp


Ahh, gotcha gidie I think that is possible but not convinced its likely. Im very intrigued by what hitdog might know...seems he might have a take worth sharing.

Would not surprise me if the Giants have actually already settled on a candidate and are in negotiations.
Its hard to have color on what  
hitdog42 : 1/14/2018 1:02 pm : link
Another coach himself is thinking when things are still up in the air and he has multiple suitors.

I posted on another thread to not rule out someone- I stick with that.

Full disclosure I have no clue on the schurmur side (meaning if hes hired I have no clue and if hes not I have no clue)
And by no clue I mean  
hitdog42 : 1/14/2018 1:08 pm : link
I think his hire would due to missing
My contention  
NikkiMac : 1/14/2018 1:10 pm : link
Is this ,what does Bellichick do if they win the SB lose three assistants and possibly Brady to retirement,I come up with 2 conclusions B.B. retires.....or

He comes to coach the Giants I think hes in play and I think Sean Payton is in play as well as The others also just my opinion
RE: And by no clue I mean  
BeckShepEli : 1/14/2018 1:10 pm : link
In comment 13787542 hitdog42 said:
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I think his hire would due to missing


So fair to say you think McDaniels is still available. Giants are very interested but if they get word that hes on to colts they will move on to Shurmur
RE: RE: RE: Gatorade  
Gatorade Dunk : 1/14/2018 1:21 pm : link
In comment 13787465 bw in dc said:
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you do whatever you want. Its the NFL. Mangini and Crennel failed over a decade ago, thats a lifetime. They failed with 2 absolutely miserable franchises. McDaniels has some success but took on too much and failed at a very young ago.

If thats the definition of everyone under BB fails then I dont know what to tell you.


How many of Belichick's former assistants, including position coaches, even have a record above .500 with another team in the NFL? I'm not even limiting that to coaches that go on to become HCs - any assistants at all that move on from New England.

If you're unwilling to see a trend when it's staring you in the face, I don't know what to tell you.



Bill O'Brien has done very good work in Houston. His carerr record would easily be over 500 if Watson didn't get hurt this year.

But it's not. And that's an incredibly small sample size. Besides, they were 3-4 when Watson got hurt. As a rookie QB, no matter how impressive his play was, there's no guarantee how he would have performed as the league continued to compile tape on him.

The facts are what they are. If O'Brien is the high-water mark of that particular coaching tree, that's not the best place to go picking your next coach. Could it be a coincidence? Absolutely. But in the face of a trend of evidence to the contrary, do you really want to bet on picking the exception?
RE: And by no clue I mean  
BleedBlue : 1/14/2018 1:35 pm : link
In comment 13787542 hitdog42 said:
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I think his hire would due to missing


Could you shoot me an email? id like to run something by you
abiancaniello@gmail.com
Ever since the first rumblings of  
darren in pdx : 1/14/2018 1:58 pm : link
McAdoo being fired the majority of posts on BBI remind me of this:




I think you have to look at personalities  
Dave on the UWS : 1/14/2018 2:03 pm : link
The guy that I think fits best with Gettleman is Shurmur. Gettleman has a strong personality and is "talketive". Shurmur is a quieter leader and has the experience they are looking for. Patricia would be a good fit too but if he doesn't want to be here good riddance.
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UConn4523 : 1/14/2018 2:27 pm : link
In comment 13787574 Gatorade Dunk said:
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you do whatever you want. Its the NFL. Mangini and Crennel failed over a decade ago, thats a lifetime. They failed with 2 absolutely miserable franchises. McDaniels has some success but took on too much and failed at a very young ago.

If thats the definition of everyone under BB fails then I dont know what to tell you.


How many of Belichick's former assistants, including position coaches, even have a record above .500 with another team in the NFL? I'm not even limiting that to coaches that go on to become HCs - any assistants at all that move on from New England.

If you're unwilling to see a trend when it's staring you in the face, I don't know what to tell you.



Bill O'Brien has done very good work in Houston. His carerr record would easily be over 500 if Watson didn't get hurt this year.


But it's not. And that's an incredibly small sample size. Besides, they were 3-4 when Watson got hurt. As a rookie QB, no matter how impressive his play was, there's no guarantee how he would have performed as the league continued to compile tape on him.

The facts are what they are. If O'Brien is the high-water mark of that particular coaching tree, that's not the best place to go picking your next coach. Could it be a coincidence? Absolutely. But in the face of a trend of evidence to the contrary, do you really want to bet on picking the exception?


You can play that game with anyone. Theres a reason why coaching turnover is so high in the NFL at every level. Whats next, critiquing BBs water boys?
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Gatorade Dunk : 1/14/2018 2:38 pm : link
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you do whatever you want. Its the NFL. Mangini and Crennel failed over a decade ago, thats a lifetime. They failed with 2 absolutely miserable franchises. McDaniels has some success but took on too much and failed at a very young ago.

If thats the definition of everyone under BB fails then I dont know what to tell you.


How many of Belichick's former assistants, including position coaches, even have a record above .500 with another team in the NFL? I'm not even limiting that to coaches that go on to become HCs - any assistants at all that move on from New England.

If you're unwilling to see a trend when it's staring you in the face, I don't know what to tell you.



Bill O'Brien has done very good work in Houston. His carerr record would easily be over 500 if Watson didn't get hurt this year.


But it's not. And that's an incredibly small sample size. Besides, they were 3-4 when Watson got hurt. As a rookie QB, no matter how impressive his play was, there's no guarantee how he would have performed as the league continued to compile tape on him.

The facts are what they are. If O'Brien is the high-water mark of that particular coaching tree, that's not the best place to go picking your next coach. Could it be a coincidence? Absolutely. But in the face of a trend of evidence to the contrary, do you really want to bet on picking the exception?



You can play that game with anyone. Theres a reason why coaching turnover is so high in the NFL at every level. Whats next, critiquing BBs water boys?

Ok, have at it. Show me another coaching tree that has borne less fruit than Belichick's, and tell me which candidate from that tree you'd like to hire.
Anyone read anything in terms  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 2:40 pm : link
of McDaniels staff? I know Dorsey has been linked to Shurmur but havent heard any defensive guys. Any reports about who McDaniels intends to bring?
I honestly dont care  
UConn4523 : 1/14/2018 2:45 pm : link
coaching trees do nothing for me. The NFL is complex and always changing. I hope our GM makes this hire based on a plethora of other factors and not which 70+ year old coach they worked unde.
RE: Anyone read anything in terms  
Peppers : 1/14/2018 2:49 pm : link
In comment 13787848 ryanmkeane said:
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of McDaniels staff? I know Dorsey has been linked to Shurmur but havent heard any defensive guys. Any reports about who McDaniels intends to bring?


Dallas LB coach Matt Eberflus is the word on his choice of DC.
Some facts about Shurmur  
cosmicj : 1/14/2018 3:02 pm : link
He played C at Mich State. Maybe the overperformance of the Vikes OL this season is partly Shurmurs doing? This qualification is something we sure could use.

When he was the Rams OC in 2010,, Sam Bradford set the record for most throws without an INT for a rookie and was the NFL offensive rookie of the year.

Shurmur has 4 children and his son starts at QB for Vandy.

He has a very good resume. I see him as a very safe hire with a lot of potential.
Of course, it's quite possible  
BobR in Durham : 1/14/2018 3:09 pm : link
that all of these leaks, rumors and speculative stories over the past week all have their genesis from the candidates' agents. Just driving up the price while they can.
And we'd get....  
Emlen'sGremlins : 1/14/2018 3:13 pm : link
....Case Keenum!
RE: And we'd get....  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 3:14 pm : link
In comment 13787940 Emlen'sGremlins said:
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....Case Keenum!


Nope!
Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
Reale01 : 1/14/2018 3:39 pm : link
BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late
RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 3:42 pm : link
In comment 13788031 Reale01 said:
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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late


Is that you Gary Myers? lol
If Patricia is put off by the current Giants situation, HE'S the pussy  
exiled : 1/14/2018 3:43 pm : link
a. We don't need someone who can't handle the transition to a top-rated rookie QB.

b. We don't need someone who's nervous about the NYC media.

It's possible that the Giants DIDN'T make him an offer, and that's why he continued interviewing.

RE: If Patricia is put off by the current Giants situation, HE'S the pussy  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 3:44 pm : link
In comment 13788043 exiled said:
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a. We don't need someone who can't handle the transition to a top-rated rookie QB.

b. We don't need someone who's nervous about the NYC media.

It's possible that the Giants DIDN'T make him an offer, and that's why he continued interviewing.


Continued interviewing? How so?
RE: RE: If Patricia is put off by the current Giants situation, HE'S the pussy  
exiled : 1/14/2018 3:51 pm : link
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Continued interviewing? How so?


I thought he went to Detroit after meeting with the Giants.
RE: RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
Reale01 : 1/14/2018 3:54 pm : link
In comment 13788040 GFAN52 said:
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In comment 13788031 Reale01 said:


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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late



Is that you Gary Myers? lol


LOL Busted!!!! I know you all will not believe it. Just remember that you heard it here first.
RE: RE: RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 3:57 pm : link
In comment 13788119 Reale01 said:
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In comment 13788031 Reale01 said:


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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late



Is that you Gary Myers? lol



LOL Busted!!!! I know you all will not believe it. Just remember that you heard it here first.


OK, you'll win the BBI scoop of the year award. LOL
RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
giantsfaninphilly : 1/14/2018 4:07 pm : link
In comment 13788031 Reale01 said:
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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late


This sounds bizarre.

In order for MP to coach the Pats this means there has to be some kind of conspiracy between MP and BB for MP to wait to do what BB does. Blows the idea of secrecy out of the water.

On the Giants side:
Eli is aging with no heir apparent
BB would have to break in all new coordinators and coaches in NY.
BB has no lieutenants in NY front office.
BB already has complete control in New England.
RE: RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
Reale01 : 1/14/2018 4:41 pm : link
In comment 13788171 giantsfaninphilly said:
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In comment 13788031 Reale01 said:


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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late



This sounds bizarre.

In order for MP to coach the Pats this means there has to be some kind of conspiracy between MP and BB for MP to wait to do what BB does. Blows the idea of secrecy out of the water.

On the Giants side:
Eli is aging with no heir apparent
BB would have to break in all new coordinators and coaches in NY.
BB has no lieutenants in NY front office.
BB already has complete control in New England.


Cant get into details. Pats are prepared with a plan B. (Originally thought to be MP actually is JM).

To your points: The Giants situation is not better than the Pats. However, it would represent a change and a chance to start over. Best landing spot if he moves on from Pats.

Some pieces to work with
BB likes Mara and Gettleman
Some good players on the roster
The #2 pick in the draft
RE: Payton  
est1986 : 1/14/2018 5:21 pm : link
In comment 13787503 ryanmkeane said:
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was on the hitdog list


Who else is on that damn list for those of us who hadn't seen it!!??
RE: RE: RE: If Patricia is put off by the current Giants situation, HE'S the pussy  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 5:58 pm : link
In comment 13788095 exiled said:
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Continued interviewing? How so?



I thought he went to Detroit after meeting with the Giants.


No. Detroit interviewed him NE same day as the Giants.
RE: RE: RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
BigBlueinDE : 1/14/2018 6:15 pm : link
In comment 13788288 Reale01 said:
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In comment 13788031 Reale01 said:


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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late



This sounds bizarre.

In order for MP to coach the Pats this means there has to be some kind of conspiracy between MP and BB for MP to wait to do what BB does. Blows the idea of secrecy out of the water.

On the Giants side:
Eli is aging with no heir apparent
BB would have to break in all new coordinators and coaches in NY.
BB has no lieutenants in NY front office.
BB already has complete control in New England.



Cant get into details. Pats are prepared with a plan B. (Originally thought to be MP actually is JM).

To your points: The Giants situation is not better than the Pats. However, it would represent a change and a chance to start over. Best landing spot if he moves on from Pats.

Some pieces to work with
BB likes Mara and Gettleman
Some good players on the roster
The #2 pick in the draft


Not to sound rude, but are you considered an "asshat"? Secondly, how confident are you in this prediction?
NYC area has high attraction/resistance factor  
xtian : 1/15/2018 4:59 am : link
i grew up on long island and have lived in a dozen other states. let me tell you that many people have 0 desire to live anywhere near NYC congestion that is a total pain in the ass and also dangerous as in auto accidents. you couldn't pay them enough!

on the flip side, some love the limelight of NYC and would sprint here!

if you don't think this is a factor, keep putting your head in the sand. the giants will either be a magnet or a repellent.

now on the football end, you would think working for the mara's and tisch's would be a great situation, and it is. but the media makes it the absolute worst place to coach and just grinds on you, especially if you aren't from the area.

as far as NE coaches, i bet they would love to stick it to the giants since losing to them twice in the super bowl, otherwise they would be a super dynasty. yeah, there easily could be something personal here.
RE: RE: RE: RE: Loooking more likely BB to Giants!!!!  
Reale01 : 1/15/2018 8:20 pm : link
In comment 13788482 BigBlueinDE said:
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BB to Giants! Pats prefer McDaniel over MP. MP to Lions. Shurmer is fallback option for Giants.

This is an update to what I said a couple days ago:

Belichick may return.

He is still trying to mend the fences in NE and is focused on the playoffs. Secrecy in NE is absolute - as it was when Parcells left. If BB comes to the Giants MP will coach the Pats. Otherwise, if BB stays MP will coach the Giants. Hard to give odds at this point. McDaniel will go elsewhere.

BB decision factors
Relationship with Kraft is worse than it was
Relationship with Brady is worse than it was
Brady is aging with no heir apparent
Would have to break in two new coordinators in 2018
May lose other coaches as well to Patricia and McDaniel
Has lost some key lieutenants in the front office
Giants job is open THIS year
Better to leave one year too early than one year too late



This sounds bizarre.

In order for MP to coach the Pats this means there has to be some kind of conspiracy between MP and BB for MP to wait to do what BB does. Blows the idea of secrecy out of the water.

On the Giants side:
Eli is aging with no heir apparent
BB would have to break in all new coordinators and coaches in NY.
BB has no lieutenants in NY front office.
BB already has complete control in New England.



Cant get into details. Pats are prepared with a plan B. (Originally thought to be MP actually is JM).

To your points: The Giants situation is not better than the Pats. However, it would represent a change and a chance to start over. Best landing spot if he moves on from Pats.

Some pieces to work with
BB likes Mara and Gettleman
Some good players on the roster
The #2 pick in the draft



Not to sound rude, but are you considered an "asshat"? Secondly, how confident are you in this prediction?


A "basshat" the info sounds fishy and too good to be true. HOWEVER - I did hear something and nothing that has happened to date has made me think its wrong. At any rate I did not hear it was a done deal only that it did have "legs".
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