Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
Dave Birkett (@davebirkett)
1/14/18, 9:11 AM
The report said eventually the deal is likely to get done so were still pretty much where weve been the last week or so.
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
1/14/18, 9:14 AM
Which is why the Giants were extremely hesitant to declare Patricia as the favorite. Said that all along.
Now ESPN says he will choose the Lions. NYG were prepared for this, but it's a blow
New England Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, though linked to the New York Giants' job, is likely to become the next head coach of the Detroit Lions, league sources told ESPN.
Patricia and the Lions still need to agree to and work out the contract details after the Patriots' season ends. Link - ( New Window )
the use of the word likely means this is still speculation and could go either way
It has to be speculation. They arent officially allowed to negotiate yet. If they came out and said it was a done deal there would be tampering issues.
Paul Schwartz (@NYPost_Schwartz)
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
Would be a huge blow to the franchise and how theyre perceived throughout the league. Glad Mara was adamant in hiring Gettleman so quickly in part to get a leg up on the HC search.
Forget being a Giants fan - I just cannot fathom why Patricia would choose the Lions over the Giants. What about all the reports about not wanting to uproot his family, joining a losing franchise vs. a winning franchise, stable ownership etc.?
It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
If hes the guy Gettleman wants, they should let him hire him. Especially since Gettleman has got the rep of a guy thats not exactly easy to work with. Some of these guys might not want to team with him
Forget being a Giants fan - I just cannot fathom why Patricia would choose the Lions over the Giants. What about all the reports about not wanting to uproot his family, joining a losing franchise vs. a winning franchise, stable ownership etc.?
It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
Sure it does for the reasons I listed in my thread yesterday.
Forget being a Giants fan - I just cannot fathom why Patricia would choose the Lions over the Giants. What about all the reports about not wanting to uproot his family, joining a losing franchise vs. a winning franchise, stable ownership etc.?
It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
Youre assuming they wanted to offer Patricia the job
Paul Schwartz (@NYPost_Schwartz)
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
Its really Shurmur or bust. Indy likely lands McDaniels.
Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
If hes the guy Gettleman wants, they should let him hire him. Especially since Gettleman has got the rep of a guy thats not exactly easy to work with. Some of these guys might not want to team with him
Wheres all of this evidence that Gettleman is hard to work with? Because aging vets that were making too much money didnt like the fact that he had no problem moving on from them in Carolina? Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams bitching about getting cut isnt exactly an indictment of Gettleman relationship with his colleagues. He was fired because the pervert owner had a soft spot for some of the players that Gettleman planned on cutting.
Ian Rapoport
Verified account @RapSheet
20s20 seconds ago
#Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has indicated to potential assistants to wait for him. The belief is he takes the #Colts job, as he's the clear favorite, sources say. Indy's other finalist is Mike Vrabel.
I think McAdoo just completely scared Mara off of these guys
This isn't one of these things where the Lions go 13-3 next year and you hear stories that Patricia was the Giants guy, but they wouldn't commit to him without doing a second interview while the Lions would, so he picked the Lions.
But I still do not see any great reason for Patricia to uproot his family and move 1/3 of the way across the country....for the Lions.
You gloss over all their problems while making the Giants sound like a dumpster fire.
The reason the Giants fell to the depths they have is because of Ben McAdoo. For some reason Mara let an incompetent boob into the building and then handed him the keys to the team. I will NEVER understand that and I'm sure we'll never hear the real story about who wanted him, and then who wanted to promote him.
It just strikes me as a very short-sighted move to say "Hey, I know the GM and I like Stafford better than Eli, so I'm moving to Detroit. Family be damned." I just don't see it as THAT much more appealing. The Giants are rebuilding, have the #2 pick in every round and a winning tradition. And he wouldn't even have to move if he didn't feel like it.
The only thing that makes sense, to me, is $$$ or that's his only play. And I'm not even knocking DET, my fiance is from that area and it's really a fine place to live, the suburbs are great and I highly doubt he's worried about any lack of nightlife or club scene.
While some can care less about PR, this is a hit if indeed we are losing out on Patricia to the Lions of all teams. Again I know nothing can be made or said officially, we see the unofficial leaks all the time.
If we were waiting for Matty P. to make his decision and it truly is him choosing Detroit over NY then Mara and Getts look very bad in their attempt to restore pride to the Giant name. Again if true, waiting this long to be left at the altar just isnt a good look for either of them. If that is not the case, then I dont see how you dont push the right narrative using your back channels in the media to avert looking this bad
Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This theyre down to three is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.
Still in play for Shurmur but if he goes to Arizona, a team seemingly in NFL purgatory over the NYG, then yes indeed its an epic embarrassing blow to Mara, Gettleman, and us as fans. Rock fucking bottom. Just one more kick to the balls for old times sake from 2017.
Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This theyre down to three is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.
While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, its more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
Another job in three years. Sometimes the bright shinny object is not always the best choice.
Remember,
There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."
No reason to get pissed off if we miss out, we may be having a stroke of luck and not know it. If they choose to go somewhere else, and don't realize the NY Giants are the preeminent landing spot for a coach, that shows me they are not the right fit. I'm intrigued by Munchak. Seems to me you get head coaching experience and an incredible O-Line coach all in one. Of course, our o-line is the problem, or the main problem.
1/14/18, 9:11 AM
The report said eventually the deal is likely to get done so were still pretty much where weve been the last week or so.
1/14/18, 9:14 AM
Which is why the Giants were extremely hesitant to declare Patricia as the favorite. Said that all along.
Now ESPN says he will choose the Lions. NYG were prepared for this, but it's a blow
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
Theres still a good chance its settle for whomever is left
Ive got no issue with Shurmur actually. He was my second choice after McDaniels.
But I dont think anyone has a clue.
Patricia and the Lions still need to agree to and work out the contract details after the Patriots' season ends.
Link - ( New Window )
It has to be speculation. They arent officially allowed to negotiate yet. If they came out and said it was a done deal there would be tampering issues.
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
Would be a huge blow to the franchise and how theyre perceived throughout the league. Glad Mara was adamant in hiring Gettleman so quickly in part to get a leg up on the HC search.
It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
If hes the guy Gettleman wants, they should let him hire him. Especially since Gettleman has got the rep of a guy thats not exactly easy to work with. Some of these guys might not want to team with him
It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
Sure it does for the reasons I listed in my thread yesterday.
It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
Youre assuming they wanted to offer Patricia the job
The only 2 reasons that make sense in my mind are DET offered a much bigger salary or the Giants aren't interested.
Otherwise I see little reason why he'd choose the Lions over the Giants considering all the outside factors of his life.
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
Its really Shurmur or bust. Indy likely lands McDaniels.
This is the thread...
Duggan makes good point regarding Lions and Patricia - ( New Window )
Quote:
Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.
Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
If hes the guy Gettleman wants, they should let him hire him. Especially since Gettleman has got the rep of a guy thats not exactly easy to work with. Some of these guys might not want to team with him
Wheres all of this evidence that Gettleman is hard to work with? Because aging vets that were making too much money didnt like the fact that he had no problem moving on from them in Carolina? Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams bitching about getting cut isnt exactly an indictment of Gettleman relationship with his colleagues. He was fired because the pervert owner had a soft spot for some of the players that Gettleman planned on cutting.
Ian Rapoport
Verified account @RapSheet
20s20 seconds ago
#Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has indicated to potential assistants to wait for him. The belief is he takes the #Colts job, as he's the clear favorite, sources say. Indy's other finalist is Mike Vrabel.
Thats why Im beginning to think its Shurmur they want. He should really stay out of it and just let the GM pick his own guy
Tomorrow right?
You gloss over all their problems while making the Giants sound like a dumpster fire.
The reason the Giants fell to the depths they have is because of Ben McAdoo. For some reason Mara let an incompetent boob into the building and then handed him the keys to the team. I will NEVER understand that and I'm sure we'll never hear the real story about who wanted him, and then who wanted to promote him.
It just strikes me as a very short-sighted move to say "Hey, I know the GM and I like Stafford better than Eli, so I'm moving to Detroit. Family be damned." I just don't see it as THAT much more appealing. The Giants are rebuilding, have the #2 pick in every round and a winning tradition. And he wouldn't even have to move if he didn't feel like it.
The only thing that makes sense, to me, is $$$ or that's his only play. And I'm not even knocking DET, my fiance is from that area and it's really a fine place to live, the suburbs are great and I highly doubt he's worried about any lack of nightlife or club scene.
If we were waiting for Matty P. to make his decision and it truly is him choosing Detroit over NY then Mara and Getts look very bad in their attempt to restore pride to the Giant name. Again if true, waiting this long to be left at the altar just isnt a good look for either of them. If that is not the case, then I dont see how you dont push the right narrative using your back channels in the media to avert looking this bad
Still in play for Shurmur but if he goes to Arizona, a team seemingly in NFL purgatory over the NYG, then yes indeed its an epic embarrassing blow to Mara, Gettleman, and us as fans. Rock fucking bottom. Just one more kick to the balls for old times sake from 2017.
Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, its more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
Remember,
There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."
The zen master replies, Well see!