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Schefter: Patricia to Lions

Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:11 am
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
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Gary Myers  
bxgiants4 : 1/14/2018 9:12 am : link
Pwned
If it is indeed  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 9:13 am : link
Shurmur Im going to be really underwhelmed.
They haven't been correct  
section125 : 1/14/2018 9:13 am : link
yet. League sources at 9am on a Sunday?
Detroit writer  
Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:14 am : link
Dave Birkett (@davebirkett)
1/14/18, 9:11 AM
The report said eventually the deal is likely to get done so were still pretty much where weve been the last week or so.
Stapleton  
Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:15 am : link
Art Stapleton (@art_stapleton)
1/14/18, 9:14 AM
Which is why the Giants were extremely hesitant to declare Patricia as the favorite. Said that all along.
Now ESPN says he will choose the Lions. NYG were prepared for this, but it's a blow
as I said in the other thread  
Allen in CNJ : 1/14/2018 9:16 am : link
the use of the word likely means this is still speculation and could go either way
Ruh Roh  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2018 9:16 am : link
Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.

Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!
RE: If it is indeed  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 9:16 am : link
In comment 13786900 ryanmkeane said:
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Shurmur Im going to be really underwhelmed.


Theres still a good chance its settle for whomever is left
RE: If it is indeed  
blueblood : 1/14/2018 9:17 am : link
In comment 13786900 ryanmkeane said:
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Shurmur Im going to be really underwhelmed.


Ive got no issue with Shurmur actually. He was my second choice after McDaniels.

But I dont think anyone has a clue.
ESPN Article  
Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:17 am : link
New England Patriots defensive coordinator Matt Patricia, though linked to the New York Giants' job, is likely to become the next head coach of the Detroit Lions, league sources told ESPN.

Patricia and the Lions still need to agree to and work out the contract details after the Patriots' season ends.
Link - ( New Window )
No problem with this  
Rflairr : 1/14/2018 9:18 am : link
Its hard to get a read on those guys with BB there
RE: as I said in the other thread  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2018 9:18 am : link
In comment 13786910 Allen in CNJ said:
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the use of the word likely means this is still speculation and could go either way

It has to be speculation. They arent officially allowed to negotiate yet. If they came out and said it was a done deal there would be tampering issues.
Schwartz  
Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:19 am : link
Paul Schwartz (@NYPost_Schwartz)
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
RE: Ruh Roh  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 9:19 am : link
In comment 13786912 BigBlueShock said:
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Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.

Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!


Would be a huge blow to the franchise and how theyre perceived throughout the league. Glad Mara was adamant in hiring Gettleman so quickly in part to get a leg up on the HC search.
This whole thing can't be true.  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 9:20 am : link
Forget being a Giants fan - I just cannot fathom why Patricia would choose the Lions over the Giants. What about all the reports about not wanting to uproot his family, joining a losing franchise vs. a winning franchise, stable ownership etc.?

It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.
RE: Ruh Roh  
Rflairr : 1/14/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 13786912 BigBlueShock said:
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Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.

Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!


If hes the guy Gettleman wants, they should let him hire him. Especially since Gettleman has got the rep of a guy thats not exactly easy to work with. Some of these guys might not want to team with him
RE: This whole thing can't be true.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 13786921 Powerclean765 said:
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Forget being a Giants fan - I just cannot fathom why Patricia would choose the Lions over the Giants. What about all the reports about not wanting to uproot his family, joining a losing franchise vs. a winning franchise, stable ownership etc.?

It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.


Sure it does for the reasons I listed in my thread yesterday.
Or of course the other option:  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 9:21 am : link
The Giants aren't really interested.
RE: This whole thing can't be true.  
Rflairr : 1/14/2018 9:21 am : link
In comment 13786921 Powerclean765 said:
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Forget being a Giants fan - I just cannot fathom why Patricia would choose the Lions over the Giants. What about all the reports about not wanting to uproot his family, joining a losing franchise vs. a winning franchise, stable ownership etc.?

It just makes no sense unless the Lions are offering a significantly higher salary.


Youre assuming they wanted to offer Patricia the job
I didn't see that Eric.  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 9:22 am : link
What thread?
DG  
XBRONX : 1/14/2018 9:22 am : link
started real strong. Seems like he is treading water right now.
The Lions GM  
blueblood : 1/14/2018 9:22 am : link
is from the Patriots. Has a prior working relationship. Patricia might also want more say in who the team choses. Giants might not be pffering that.
Right RFlairr.  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 9:23 am : link
I forgot to say that.

The only 2 reasons that make sense in my mind are DET offered a much bigger salary or the Giants aren't interested.

Otherwise I see little reason why he'd choose the Lions over the Giants considering all the outside factors of his life.
RE: Schwartz  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13786919 Defenderdawg said:
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Paul Schwartz (@NYPost_Schwartz)
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.


Its really Shurmur or bust. Indy likely lands McDaniels.
RE: I didn't see that Eric.  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2018 9:24 am : link
In comment 13786927 Powerclean765 said:
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What thread?


This is the thread...
Duggan makes good point regarding Lions and Patricia - ( New Window )
Cant wait until  
bradshaw44 : 1/14/2018 9:26 am : link
They announce Cowher.
Schefter is trying to stir the pot with speculation or he is being  
wgenesis123 : 1/14/2018 9:26 am : link
used to provoke a response. Quinn has held his ground, apparently waiting for Patricia. No one knows what the Giants are doing.
RE: RE: Ruh Roh  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2018 9:27 am : link
In comment 13786922 Rflairr said:
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In comment 13786912 BigBlueShock said:


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Giants just may be left at the alter here. McDaniels seems intent on Indy so that leaves Shurmur. And Arizona may be the front runner there.

Hello, Mr. Wilks? Hey man, that stuff about you not being a candidate? Hey, we were just kidding!



If hes the guy Gettleman wants, they should let him hire him. Especially since Gettleman has got the rep of a guy thats not exactly easy to work with. Some of these guys might not want to team with him

Wheres all of this evidence that Gettleman is hard to work with? Because aging vets that were making too much money didnt like the fact that he had no problem moving on from them in Carolina? Steve Smith and Deangelo Williams bitching about getting cut isnt exactly an indictment of Gettleman relationship with his colleagues. He was fired because the pervert owner had a soft spot for some of the players that Gettleman planned on cutting.
...  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2018 9:28 am : link

Ian Rapoport
‏Verified account @RapSheet
20s20 seconds ago

#Patriots offensive coordinator Josh McDaniels has indicated to potential assistants to wait for him. The belief is he takes the #Colts job, as he's the clear favorite, sources say. Indy's other finalist is Mike Vrabel.
I think McAdoo just completely scared Mara off of these guys  
Rflairr : 1/14/2018 9:29 am : link
with no HC experience.

Thats why Im beginning to think its Shurmur they want. He should really stay out of it and just let the GM pick his own guy
Crap  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 9:29 am : link
I had a feeling. McDaniels unlikely too. It really is embarrassing. The lions for Christ sakes.
RE: Cant wait until  
BeckShepEli : 1/14/2018 9:29 am : link
In comment 13786936 bradshaw44 said:
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They announce Cowher.


Tomorrow right?
This is not the Giants not wanting them  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 9:30 am : link
This is us left at the alter.
mascot spags  
sundayatone : 1/14/2018 9:31 am : link
has nine lives
I love this Lions have Stafford argument....  
ryanmkeane : 1/14/2018 9:31 am : link
Theyve had him for 9 years and havent done shit.
I hope to god  
Biteymax22 : 1/14/2018 9:32 am : link
This isn't one of these things where the Lions go 13-3 next year and you hear stories that Patricia was the Giants guy, but they wouldn't commit to him without doing a second interview while the Lions would, so he picked the Lions.
You make some fair points there Eric.  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 9:33 am : link
But I still do not see any great reason for Patricia to uproot his family and move 1/3 of the way across the country....for the Lions.

You gloss over all their problems while making the Giants sound like a dumpster fire.

The reason the Giants fell to the depths they have is because of Ben McAdoo. For some reason Mara let an incompetent boob into the building and then handed him the keys to the team. I will NEVER understand that and I'm sure we'll never hear the real story about who wanted him, and then who wanted to promote him.

It just strikes me as a very short-sighted move to say "Hey, I know the GM and I like Stafford better than Eli, so I'm moving to Detroit. Family be damned." I just don't see it as THAT much more appealing. The Giants are rebuilding, have the #2 pick in every round and a winning tradition. And he wouldn't even have to move if he didn't feel like it.

The only thing that makes sense, to me, is $$$ or that's his only play. And I'm not even knocking DET, my fiance is from that area and it's really a fine place to live, the suburbs are great and I highly doubt he's worried about any lack of nightlife or club scene.
PR hit  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/14/2018 9:33 am : link
While some can care less about PR, this is a hit if indeed we are losing out on Patricia to the Lions of all teams. Again I know nothing can be made or said officially, we see the unofficial leaks all the time.

If we were waiting for Matty P. to make his decision and it truly is him choosing Detroit over NY then Mara and Getts look very bad in their attempt to restore pride to the Giant name. Again if true, waiting this long to be left at the altar just isnt a good look for either of them. If that is not the case, then I dont see how you dont push the right narrative using your back channels in the media to avert looking this bad
For Patricia it's all about the GM....  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 9:33 am : link
he has a great relationship with Detroit's GM from their NE days together.
This was expected by nearly everyone except the giants beats  
Peppers : 1/14/2018 9:37 am : link
Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This theyre down to three is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.

RE: This is not the Giants not wanting them  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 9:39 am : link
In comment 13786948 UberAlias said:
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This is us left at the alter.



Still in play for Shurmur but if he goes to Arizona, a team seemingly in NFL purgatory over the NYG, then yes indeed its an epic embarrassing blow to Mara, Gettleman, and us as fans. Rock fucking bottom. Just one more kick to the balls for old times sake from 2017.
This is very embarrasing  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 9:41 am : link
Stafford has an inflated contract and has won nothing.
The fans can be blamed as well..  
Sean : 1/14/2018 9:41 am : link
For how pissy they got earlier this year with the Eli debacle. What coach wants to deal with that? Was an awful look.
giants may have to apologize to McAdoo  
micky : 1/14/2018 9:43 am : link
and ask if he'd please please comeback and admit they made a mistake firing.."c'mon mac..we have no one else!!"
If Mike Vrabel is available  
Earl the goat : 1/14/2018 9:43 am : link
Id take him over Wilkes and Shurmur

Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
DAMMIT  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/14/2018 9:44 am : link
.
RE: This was expected by nearly everyone except the giants beats  
Mdgiantsfan : 1/14/2018 9:44 am : link
In comment 13786959 Peppers said:
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Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This theyre down to three is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.


While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, its more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
And Patricia could be looking for  
Reb8thVA : 1/14/2018 9:46 am : link
Another job in three years. Sometimes the bright shinny object is not always the best choice.

Remember,

There's a little boy and on his 14th birthday he gets a horse... and everybody in the village says, "how wonderful. The boy got a horse" And the Zen master says, "we'll see." Two years later, the boy falls off the horse, breaks his leg, and everyone in the village says, "How terrible." And the Zen master says, "We'll see." Then, a war breaks out and all the young men have to go off and fight... except the boy can't cause his legs all messed up. and everybody in the village says, "How wonderful."

The zen master replies, Well see!
All of these candidates are risky.........  
Dry Lightning : 1/14/2018 9:46 am : link
No reason to get pissed off if we miss out, we may be having a stroke of luck and not know it. If they choose to go somewhere else, and don't realize the NY Giants are the preeminent landing spot for a coach, that shows me they are not the right fit. I'm intrigued by Munchak. Seems to me you get head coaching experience and an incredible O-Line coach all in one. Of course, our o-line is the problem, or the main problem.
think it's a two horse race  
bc4life : 1/14/2018 9:46 am : link
Shurmur and McDaniels.

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