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Schefter: Patricia to Lions

Defenderdawg : 1/14/2018 9:11 am
Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots’ defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions’ next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
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I'd be happy with  
Jolly Blue Giant : 1/14/2018 9:46 am : link
Shumur/Del Rio combo
RE: This is very embarrasing  
Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13786969 UberAlias said:
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Stafford has an inflated contract and has won nothing.


If Patricia goes to Detroit he may only have a two-three year window to make playoff runs. If Detroit can’t make it to the playoffs the next few years I could see both him and Quinn getting fired quickly.

Don’t underestimate the increasing lack of patience by the Ford family.
RE: think it's a two horse race  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 9:47 am : link
In comment 13786981 bc4life said:
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Shurmur and McDaniels.
McDaniels is a big long shot.
I'd  
Jon in NYC : 1/14/2018 9:47 am : link
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Whoever comes to the Giants  
Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 9:48 am : link
is going to get at least a solid four year window to build their program.
It's  
Jon in NYC : 1/14/2018 9:49 am : link
gonna be Shurmur or Wilks. I think both are fine options. I couldn't give two shits about the optics of passing on Wilks but then naming him. Get the right guy.

I prefer a defense first guy, but you need to score points to win football games too.
RE: I'd  
Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 9:50 am : link
In comment 13786987 Jon in NYC said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.


Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.

And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
RE: RE: I'd  
Jon in NYC : 1/14/2018 9:51 am : link
In comment 13786992 Sammo85 said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.



Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.

And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.


I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy.  
Bold Ruler : Mod : 1/14/2018 9:51 am : link
Likely down to Shurmur and Wilks.
RE: RE: think it's a two horse race  
blueblood : 1/14/2018 9:52 am : link
In comment 13786986 UberAlias said:
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Shurmur and McDaniels.


McDaniels is a big long shot.


McDaniels is going to Indy. He wants the QB in place who is ready to win.
Jon in the City  
brunswick : 1/14/2018 9:52 am : link
Couldn't agree more. Why would someone take this job over Detroit. They have a top 7-8 QB and our QB situation...well we haven't had a decent one for years. If Shurmer comes aboard we will see another Eli crying fit because he won't be on this team next year...GUARANTEED
RE: Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy.  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 9:53 am : link
In comment 13786995 Bold Ruler said:
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Likely down to Shurmur and Wilks.


Mara is going to be forced to settle on Wilks.
and agree..if in end left at alter..again  
micky : 1/14/2018 9:53 am : link
it is an embarrassment to Mara and org. and shows how far they've fallen to
RE: I'd  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 9:54 am : link
In comment 13786987 Jon in NYC said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.
RE: I'd  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13786987 Jon in NYC said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.

I would strongly argue on the talent and stability comments.
Eli has two SB rings  
bc4life : 1/14/2018 9:55 am : link
Luck coming off injury - how are Colts that much more enticing?

Giants have some decent talent on defense and some good skill position players.

Both teams have some major things to fix
RE: RE: Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy.  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 9:55 am : link
In comment 13786999 The_Boss said:
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Likely down to Shurmur and Wilks.



Mara is going to be forced to settle on Wilks.


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Circling back to Wilks now is pathetic. Nothing against him but he was universally regarded as the odd man out after the initial round of interviews. Again Mara chose DG in haste without an extensive GM search in part to start the HC search earlier. And now, assuming they lose out on Shurmur, they’re going to be forced to settle on Wilks? Epic embarrassment.
RE: RE: I'd  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 9:56 am : link
In comment 13787002 UberAlias said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.

Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.


Patricia has a 12 years prior working relationship with Detroits GM. That can't be discounted.
A note about Lions fans too:  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 9:56 am : link
Again, marrying into a "Lions family" and I use that term loosely because the Lions are such perennial losers that the fans don't even really back the team. Even when it's winning the sentiment is "who gives a sh#t they'll just screw it up somehow".

I talk football with a lot of people when I visit there: It's all Michigan/Michigan St.

So yes, while the Giants fans are angry at least people care about the team here. The Lions lost their fan base many, many years ago and aren't even taken seriously up there.

And to be clear - I don't think the fans will play into Patricia's decision 1%. (Nor should they.) Just making a comment after reading people bashing NY because the fans are volatile.
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Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 9:57 am : link
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.



Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.

And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.



I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.


Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.

McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.

By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
RE: RE: This was expected by nearly everyone except the giants beats  
Peppers : 1/14/2018 9:58 am : link
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Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This ‘they’re down to three’ is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.




While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, it’s more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.


I see what you’re saying but I dont agree. The Giants F.O. are well seasoned. They don’t lose sleep over the opinions of the sheep.
RE: If Mike Vrabel is available  
RetroJint : 1/14/2018 9:59 am : link
In comment 13786973 Earl the goat said:
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I’d take him over Wilkes and Shurmur

Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league

I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
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Jon in NYC : 1/14/2018 9:59 am : link
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.



Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.

And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.



I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.



Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.

McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.

By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.


It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.

Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
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Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13787009 GFAN52 said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.

Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.



Patricia has a 12 years prior working relationship with Detroits GM. That can't be discounted.


They will both be fired together if they don’t win and win quickly. The Lions just fired a coach after multiple winning seasons.
RE: Jon in the City  
sundayatone : 1/14/2018 10:00 am : link
In comment 13786998 brunswick said:
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Couldn't agree more. Why would someone take this job over Detroit. They have a top 7-8 QB and our QB situation...well we haven't had a decent one for years. If Shurmer comes aboard we will see another Eli crying fit because he won't be on this team next year...GUARANTEED



so true brunswick,eli is a big negative for potential coaches.
Wonder who will be BB's  
bc4life : 1/14/2018 10:00 am : link
DC and OC?
I think there's definitely  
Powerclean765 : 1/14/2018 10:00 am : link
something - in general - to people not wanting to move to the NJ/NYC area. It's not for everyone and quite frankly, Jersey sucks. Joe Philbin declined working here (at least officially) because he preferred the Indy/Midwest area.

But Patricia's from upstate NY and his family wouldn't even have to move unless they wanted to. And then they'd only have to move a few hours drive away. So I don't see that factoring in here.
Indi has zero talent behind Luck  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 10:00 am : link
who has health concerns. Detroit has more talent but shitty ownership and Stafford will never play up to his contract.
Some  
Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2018 10:01 am : link
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
Can see why  
Dankbeerman : 1/14/2018 10:02 am : link
If he feels he can improve the deffense they have a top line QB signed for a while and are only a couple wins away from beimg in the playoffs as opposed to a rebuild project.
RE: Indi has zero talent behind Luck  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13787023 UberAlias said:
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who has health concerns. Detroit has more talent but shitty ownership and Stafford will never play up to his contract.


But a GM who has a 12 year prior working relationship with Patricia.
RE: This is very embarrasing  
ColHowPepper : 1/14/2018 10:02 am : link
In comment 13786969 UberAlias said:
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Stafford has an inflated contract and has won nothing.
I echo Bold Ruler's DAMMIT!
Uber, Stafford may have won nothing, but it's very arguable that Eli's wins are in the rearview. Lots here mocked Duggan's thesis, seemed pretty rational to me. And for those arguing Patricia was no more than BB's reflected glory, why wouldn't the Giants want someone who learned, absorbed, from the best?
DAMMIT!
seems like the giants org is bottom rung  
micky : 1/14/2018 10:03 am : link
of organizations to coach for with what's taking place
RE: Some  
The_Boss : 1/14/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13787025 Eric from BBI said:
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.


And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
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Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13787017 Jon in NYC said:
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.

The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.



Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.

And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.



I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.



Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.

McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.

By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.



It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.

Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.


That’s not what a coach is looking for all the time. Win now situations get coaches fired more quickly than not. Lions are not really that close. Their defense took a huge step back. Their run game is garbage. Their QB eats up a huge chunk of their cap.

There is a base to work with, but there is not a lot of flexibility or patience.

The Giants are a challenging situation but one with tremendous opportunity, some assets to work with, and a huge windfall if you can turn it around.
RE: seems like the giants org is bottom rung  
GFAN52 : 1/14/2018 10:05 am : link
In comment 13787032 micky said:
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of organizations to coach for with what's taking place


Why?
This sucks  
cokeduplt : 1/14/2018 10:06 am : link
I’m starting to get real nervous. Hopefully we get real lucky
Peppers, do you  
aimrocky : 1/14/2018 10:06 am : link
Still think it’s Wilks? Shurmur seems like a perfect fit for Arizona.
RE: Some  
BigBlueShock : 1/14/2018 10:07 am : link
In comment 13787025 Eric from BBI said:
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.

What’s your point? You always love to shit on the Giants at every turn. Every year you do the same thing in free agency. “The Giants are not a desirable destination...”. You say it every season. You love to play the contrarian constantly.

It couldn’t possibly be that Patricia chose the Lions because of his relationship with the GM, right? Or McDaniels loves the thought of having Andrew Luck in place, right? It just HAS to be that the Giants job sucks and nobody wants it. Can’t possibly be any other motives for players/coaches decisions.
CHP  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 10:07 am : link
Eli's wins are absolutely in the rearview. But the new HC has a great opportunity here to draft his guy and develop him. If they draft a QB @ #2, he'll have as many division titles and playoff wins as Stafford, without the largest contract in the league.
it's all speculation  
bc4life : 1/14/2018 10:07 am : link
and rumors . one of the candidates might have already decided he wants NYG job
RE: Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy.  
cokeduplt : 1/14/2018 10:08 am : link
In comment 13786995 Bold Ruler said:
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Likely down to Shurmur and Wilks.


Who knows the Patricia was the clear favorite for the giants a few days ago.
RE: CHP  
UberAlias : 1/14/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13787041 UberAlias said:
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Eli's wins are absolutely in the rearview. But the new HC has a great opportunity here to draft his guy and develop him. If they draft a QB @ #2, he'll have as many division titles and playoff wins as Stafford, without the largest contract in the league.
And if they don't like any of the QBs @2, they can likely trade it for multiple picks including an additional #1 to someone who does.

And our #2 pick this year is practically another 1st. Just look at the talent that sits out there end of round 1 every year. Great opportunity for any coach with vision to build his roster.
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BigBlueShock : 1/14/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13787034 The_Boss said:
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.



And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.

You seem to be incredibly concerned with what other people think or say. Why do you give a shit? I appears that the only thing you care about is your friends mocking you. You really that sensitive?
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Sammo85 : 1/14/2018 10:10 am : link
In comment 13787025 Eric from BBI said:
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.


Yup, but I won’t lose sleep over either one. We aren’t losing out on the next Lombardi or Landry. Both will be fired within four years time with no Super Bowl wins. Book it.
I'm all  
Jon in NYC : 1/14/2018 10:10 am : link
about a Wilks/DiFillipo team at the moment. Hope that comes to pass.
does this free up  
Dankbeerman : 1/14/2018 10:11 am : link
Austin as a DC candidate
I'd like a Shurmur and Del Rio combination as well...  
Tim in Eternal Blue : 1/14/2018 10:11 am : link
Is nobody thinking (wayyyyyy in the backs of their minds)... That there is still a possibility of getting Little Bill?

The Patriots have all said the right things... I just don't know.
RE: Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy.  
Peppers : 1/14/2018 10:11 am : link
In comment 13786995 Bold Ruler said:
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Likely down to Shurmur and Wilks.


Yea, It’s been Wilks and Shurmur all along. Patricia to Detroit was a forgone conclusion.

McDaniels is still uncertain. There is a lot of speculation around the Indy reports not enough fact. I was told (a few days ago, even posted it) to keep an eye on Tennessee. They’re lurking. If they can get McDaniels they’ll dump Mularkey.
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The_Boss : 1/14/2018 10:12 am : link
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.



And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.


You seem to be incredibly concerned with what other people think or say. Why do you give a shit? I appears that the only thing you care about is your friends mocking you. You really that sensitive?


Huh? Nobody’s mocking me at all.
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