Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots’ defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions’ next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
Stafford has an inflated contract and has won nothing.
If Patricia goes to Detroit he may only have a two-three year window to make playoff runs. If Detroit can’t make it to the playoffs the next few years I could see both him and Quinn getting fired quickly.
Don’t underestimate the increasing lack of patience by the Ford family.
gonna be Shurmur or Wilks. I think both are fine options. I couldn't give two shits about the optics of passing on Wilks but then naming him. Get the right guy.
I prefer a defense first guy, but you need to score points to win football games too.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy. Â
Couldn't agree more. Why would someone take this job over Detroit. They have a top 7-8 QB and our QB situation...well we haven't had a decent one for years. If Shurmer comes aboard we will see another Eli crying fit because he won't be on this team next year...GUARANTEED
RE: Most beats are saying McDaniels is clear favorite to Indy. Â
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.
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Circling back to Wilks now is pathetic. Nothing against him but he was universally regarded as the odd man out after the initial round of interviews. Again Mara chose DG in haste without an extensive GM search in part to start the HC search earlier. And now, assuming they lose out on Shurmur, they’re going to be forced to settle on Wilks? Epic embarrassment.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.
Patricia has a 12 years prior working relationship with Detroits GM. That can't be discounted.
Again, marrying into a "Lions family" and I use that term loosely because the Lions are such perennial losers that the fans don't even really back the team. Even when it's winning the sentiment is "who gives a sh#t they'll just screw it up somehow".
I talk football with a lot of people when I visit there: It's all Michigan/Michigan St.
So yes, while the Giants fans are angry at least people care about the team here. The Lions lost their fan base many, many years ago and aren't even taken seriously up there.
And to be clear - I don't think the fans will play into Patricia's decision 1%. (Nor should they.) Just making a comment after reading people bashing NY because the fans are volatile.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
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Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This ‘they’re down to three’ is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.
While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, it’s more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
I see what you’re saying but I dont agree. The Giants F.O. are well seasoned. They don’t lose sleep over the opinions of the sheep.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.
Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.
Patricia has a 12 years prior working relationship with Detroits GM. That can't be discounted.
They will both be fired together if they don’t win and win quickly. The Lions just fired a coach after multiple winning seasons.
Couldn't agree more. Why would someone take this job over Detroit. They have a top 7-8 QB and our QB situation...well we haven't had a decent one for years. If Shurmer comes aboard we will see another Eli crying fit because he won't be on this team next year...GUARANTEED
so true brunswick,eli is a big negative for potential coaches.
something - in general - to people not wanting to move to the NJ/NYC area. It's not for everyone and quite frankly, Jersey sucks. Joe Philbin declined working here (at least officially) because he preferred the Indy/Midwest area.
But Patricia's from upstate NY and his family wouldn't even have to move unless they wanted to. And then they'd only have to move a few hours drive away. So I don't see that factoring in here.
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
If he feels he can improve the deffense they have a top line QB signed for a while and are only a couple wins away from beimg in the playoffs as opposed to a rebuild project.
Stafford has an inflated contract and has won nothing.
I echo Bold Ruler's DAMMIT!
Uber, Stafford may have won nothing, but it's very arguable that Eli's wins are in the rearview. Lots here mocked Duggan's thesis, seemed pretty rational to me. And for those arguing Patricia was no more than BB's reflected glory, why wouldn't the Giants want someone who learned, absorbed, from the best?
DAMMIT!
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.
Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
That’s not what a coach is looking for all the time. Win now situations get coaches fired more quickly than not. Lions are not really that close. Their defense took a huge step back. Their run game is garbage. Their QB eats up a huge chunk of their cap.
There is a base to work with, but there is not a lot of flexibility or patience.
The Giants are a challenging situation but one with tremendous opportunity, some assets to work with, and a huge windfall if you can turn it around.
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
What’s your point? You always love to shit on the Giants at every turn. Every year you do the same thing in free agency. “The Giants are not a desirable destination...”. You say it every season. You love to play the contrarian constantly.
It couldn’t possibly be that Patricia chose the Lions because of his relationship with the GM, right? Or McDaniels loves the thought of having Andrew Luck in place, right? It just HAS to be that the Giants job sucks and nobody wants it. Can’t possibly be any other motives for players/coaches decisions.
Eli's wins are absolutely in the rearview. But the new HC has a great opportunity here to draft his guy and develop him. If they draft a QB @ #2, he'll have as many division titles and playoff wins as Stafford, without the largest contract in the league.
Eli's wins are absolutely in the rearview. But the new HC has a great opportunity here to draft his guy and develop him. If they draft a QB @ #2, he'll have as many division titles and playoff wins as Stafford, without the largest contract in the league.
And if they don't like any of the QBs @2, they can likely trade it for multiple picks including an additional #1 to someone who does.
And our #2 pick this year is practically another 1st. Just look at the talent that sits out there end of round 1 every year. Great opportunity for any coach with vision to build his roster.
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
You seem to be incredibly concerned with what other people think or say. Why do you give a shit? I appears that the only thing you care about is your friends mocking you. You really that sensitive?
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
Yup, but I won’t lose sleep over either one. We aren’t losing out on the next Lombardi or Landry. Both will be fired within four years time with no Super Bowl wins. Book it.
Yea, It’s been Wilks and Shurmur all along. Patricia to Detroit was a forgone conclusion.
McDaniels is still uncertain. There is a lot of speculation around the Indy reports not enough fact. I was told (a few days ago, even posted it) to keep an eye on Tennessee. They’re lurking. If they can get McDaniels they’ll dump Mularkey.
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
You seem to be incredibly concerned with what other people think or say. Why do you give a shit? I appears that the only thing you care about is your friends mocking you. You really that sensitive?
If Patricia goes to Detroit he may only have a two-three year window to make playoff runs. If Detroit can’t make it to the playoffs the next few years I could see both him and Quinn getting fired quickly.
Don’t underestimate the increasing lack of patience by the Ford family.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
I prefer a defense first guy, but you need to score points to win football games too.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
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Shurmur and McDaniels.
McDaniels is a big long shot.
McDaniels is going to Indy. He wants the QB in place who is ready to win.
Mara is going to be forced to settle on Wilks.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
I would strongly argue on the talent and stability comments.
Giants have some decent talent on defense and some good skill position players.
Both teams have some major things to fix
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Likely down to Shurmur and Wilks.
Mara is going to be forced to settle on Wilks.
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Circling back to Wilks now is pathetic. Nothing against him but he was universally regarded as the odd man out after the initial round of interviews. Again Mara chose DG in haste without an extensive GM search in part to start the HC search earlier. And now, assuming they lose out on Shurmur, they’re going to be forced to settle on Wilks? Epic embarrassment.
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.
Patricia has a 12 years prior working relationship with Detroits GM. That can't be discounted.
I talk football with a lot of people when I visit there: It's all Michigan/Michigan St.
So yes, while the Giants fans are angry at least people care about the team here. The Lions lost their fan base many, many years ago and aren't even taken seriously up there.
And to be clear - I don't think the fans will play into Patricia's decision 1%. (Nor should they.) Just making a comment after reading people bashing NY because the fans are volatile.
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
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Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This ‘they’re down to three’ is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.
While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, it’s more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
I see what you’re saying but I dont agree. The Giants F.O. are well seasoned. They don’t lose sleep over the opinions of the sheep.
Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.
Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Caldwell had winning seasons in 3 of 4 years and was fired. That's stability and no pressure? QB has a massive contract despite never winning a division title or a playoff game. Giants have more young talent than the record showed this year and a great opportunity to add to it via the draft. McAdoo ran this team into the ground.
Patricia has a 12 years prior working relationship with Detroits GM. That can't be discounted.
They will both be fired together if they don’t win and win quickly. The Lions just fired a coach after multiple winning seasons.
so true brunswick,eli is a big negative for potential coaches.
But Patricia's from upstate NY and his family wouldn't even have to move unless they wanted to. And then they'd only have to move a few hours drive away. So I don't see that factoring in here.
But a GM who has a 12 year prior working relationship with Patricia.
Uber, Stafford may have won nothing, but it's very arguable that Eli's wins are in the rearview. Lots here mocked Duggan's thesis, seemed pretty rational to me. And for those arguing Patricia was no more than BB's reflected glory, why wouldn't the Giants want someone who learned, absorbed, from the best?
DAMMIT!
And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.
Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
That’s not what a coach is looking for all the time. Win now situations get coaches fired more quickly than not. Lions are not really that close. Their defense took a huge step back. Their run game is garbage. Their QB eats up a huge chunk of their cap.
There is a base to work with, but there is not a lot of flexibility or patience.
The Giants are a challenging situation but one with tremendous opportunity, some assets to work with, and a huge windfall if you can turn it around.
Why?
What’s your point? You always love to shit on the Giants at every turn. Every year you do the same thing in free agency. “The Giants are not a desirable destination...”. You say it every season. You love to play the contrarian constantly.
It couldn’t possibly be that Patricia chose the Lions because of his relationship with the GM, right? Or McDaniels loves the thought of having Andrew Luck in place, right? It just HAS to be that the Giants job sucks and nobody wants it. Can’t possibly be any other motives for players/coaches decisions.
Who knows the Patricia was the clear favorite for the giants a few days ago.
And our #2 pick this year is practically another 1st. Just look at the talent that sits out there end of round 1 every year. Great opportunity for any coach with vision to build his roster.
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
You seem to be incredibly concerned with what other people think or say. Why do you give a shit? I appears that the only thing you care about is your friends mocking you. You really that sensitive?
Yup, but I won’t lose sleep over either one. We aren’t losing out on the next Lombardi or Landry. Both will be fired within four years time with no Super Bowl wins. Book it.
The Patriots have all said the right things... I just don't know.
Yea, It’s been Wilks and Shurmur all along. Patricia to Detroit was a forgone conclusion.
McDaniels is still uncertain. There is a lot of speculation around the Indy reports not enough fact. I was told (a few days ago, even posted it) to keep an eye on Tennessee. They’re lurking. If they can get McDaniels they’ll dump Mularkey.
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
And if Shurmur chooses to go to a team in nfl purgatory (cards), the NYG will be rightfully mocked, ridiculed, and thoroughly embarrassed when they are forced to settle.
You seem to be incredibly concerned with what other people think or say. Why do you give a shit? I appears that the only thing you care about is your friends mocking you. You really that sensitive?
Huh? Nobody’s mocking me at all.