Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots’ defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions’ next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
We have no freaking clue who is or was the favorite for the job, to start it was Schwartz, then it was Wilkes, then it was Patricia, no one freaking knows...
Of course Patricia chose Detroit, he has a working relationship with the gm..
And why should the giants be embarrassed if they hire wilkes? When did the giants say that he was out?
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
Relationships are huge in this business and Detroit had a big one here in Quinn, who obviously sold him hard. NYG had no connection to Patricia. That's a huge advantage for them.
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Such lazy analysis...
I wanted Patricia but won’t lose sleep over not getting him as there’s pros to each of the candidates we interviewed. But this notion that Pats cooridinators are only good because of BB is laughable.
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
The adoration for Vrabel here is ridiculous. Review of Vrabel per their plugged in guys...
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The Texans’ defense plummeted from where we are accustomed to seeing them. Going back to 2012, the Texans have finished 4th, 18th, 6th, 8th, and 9th in defensive DVOA. This year they fell all the way to 23rd. They had a pass defense DVOA of 19.2% (25th) and a run defense DVOA of -9.9% (12th)
Additionally, Mike Vrabel struggled in his new defensive coordinator role. He started the year being too cute in trying to generate a pass rush when he had three players that can win blocks on their own. The team continued to play Cover Four while struggling to pass off receivers correctly, and the Texans lost to Seattle and New England because of it. Vrabel didn’t scheme to his opponent well and did things like play man against the horizontal crossing route offense that the Jaguars utilize by getting their quick receivers running full speed in space. I was never all the way here for Vrabel being good at this immediately. Calling plays and game planning is much different than teaching linebackers about hand placement after a first step in a pass rush.
I think JM wants SP or PS so that he can retain Spags as DC...Not bad, but I would prefer DG's pick of Wilks/Defilippo...I have a feeling we will be set for the next 15 years!!!
I think as someone posted in another thread: none of these guys have a Â
Clearly they are, or in light of today’s news, were waiting on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Shurmur is the last domino in the game before they turn to their “safety school” candidate.
RE: I think Patricia's connection to Bob Quinn is the main reason Â
Relationships are huge in this business and Detroit had a big one here in Quinn, who obviously sold him hard. NYG had no connection to Patricia. That's a huge advantage for them.
That's what I've been saying as well. 12 years in NE together in fact.
Paul Schwartz (@NYPost_Schwartz)
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
It’s really Shurmur or bust. Indy likely lands McDaniels.
choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.
Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
Very true, but the Giants are closer than the Falcons. Sorry s still a little bitter from last night.
DO NOT WANT SHURMUR!!!! Did anyone watch that Patriots offense and defense dominate last night? We missed on one Patriot go for the other (McDaniels). Imagine what Josh can do with Odell, Shepard and Engram. He has builidng blocks on D in Collins, Harrison, Jenkins. OV, JPP. and Tomlinson.
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
I think BBI needs to understand that despite the Giants being a stable franchise with good patient owners and a great tradition the HC job is not as attractive as the open jobs with young successful QBs and in tact locker rooms. McDaniels and Patricia have been hot commodities as HC candidates for years and they have also been extremely calculated in their decision making process. Neither was going to put themselves in what they perceived to be a risky situation and the Giants job is more high risk than Detroit or Indy right now.
Detroit has a young franchise QB, good talent on D, an established offense, and a GM who has ties to the Pats. The Giants offense is an enigma as is the future of the qb position and the defense would rather fight itself than the other team. Plus as much as I like Gettleman, he’s strong willed and is probably not open to sharing power on personnel with a HC. I completely get why Patricia prefers the Lions. I think it’s the wrong choice in the long run and I don’t think the Lions will be as patient as the Giants, but I can see why this makes sense to Patricia.
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
The adoration for Vrabel here is ridiculous. Review of Vrabel per their plugged in guys...
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The Texans’ defense plummeted from where we are accustomed to seeing them. Going back to 2012, the Texans have finished 4th, 18th, 6th, 8th, and 9th in defensive DVOA. This year they fell all the way to 23rd. They had a pass defense DVOA of 19.2% (25th) and a run defense DVOA of -9.9% (12th)
Additionally, Mike Vrabel struggled in his new defensive coordinator role. He started the year being too cute in trying to generate a pass rush when he had three players that can win blocks on their own. The team continued to play Cover Four while struggling to pass off receivers correctly, and the Texans lost to Seattle and New England because of it. Vrabel didn’t scheme to his opponent well and did things like play man against the horizontal crossing route offense that the Jaguars utilize by getting their quick receivers running full speed in space. I was never all the way here for Vrabel being good at this immediately. Calling plays and game planning is much different than teaching linebackers about hand placement after a first step in a pass rush.
Vrabel Lost his best two players on defense. Does that account for anything
Not to mention Texans lost their star QB. Which means his defense spends more time on the field
Vrabel is and will grow as a coach and I think he has the goods
Put themselves in this position with the Eli fiasco and all the lies concerning it, but the main point could still be that no one knows what will happen to Eli still at this point. When as a HC you can’t bench a guy that does not give you much belief in your top management support. As Eric has said if you or someone else does not want to believe it those two Pats guys are very highly rated not just by the Giants but league wide.
It’s not looking like the Giants are in a position of strength where HC’s are not without better options and more stable organization to choose from at this point. This organization threw the GM and HC under the bus for making a decision that one player and the fans cried like spoiled kids about. Let’s not kid ourselves either any HC could look at film just like our new GM not much to like about what’s on film.
The point was not that there only good because of BB.
Again, the "love fest" for Patricia and McD is fueled to a large extent because they coach for BB. And, that coaching for BB is certainly not an indication they will be successful at next level.
And, as I stated in a few posts up from that, it is a puzzle trying to figure out who will be successful at the next level.
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Such lazy analysis...
I wanted Patricia but won’t lose sleep over not getting him as there’s pros to each of the candidates we interviewed. But this notion that Pats cooridinators are only good because of BB is laughable.
Fair enough, but there's no evidence that they're good for any other reason, because they haven't been good at the NFL level when they're apart from BB.
A lot of you were confusing "the Giants favored Patricia" Â
As "Patricia was the favorite to sign with the Giants". The beats weren't wrong, "a few days ago Patricia was coming here" was never a reality, you assumed it.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
I think BBI needs to understand that despite the Giants being a stable franchise with good patient owners and a great tradition the HC job is not as attractive as the open jobs with young successful QBs and in tact locker rooms. McDaniels and Patricia have been hot commodities as HC candidates for years and they have also been extremely calculated in their decision making process. Neither was going to put themselves in what they perceived to be a risky situation and the Giants job is more high risk than Detroit or Indy right now.
Detroit has a young franchise QB, good talent on D, an established offense, and a GM who has ties to the Pats. The Giants offense is an enigma as is the future of the qb position and the defense would rather fight itself than the other team. Plus as much as I like Gettleman, he’s strong willed and is probably not open to sharing power on personnel with a HC. I completely get why Patricia prefers the Lions. I think it’s the wrong choice in the long run and I don’t think the Lions will be as patient as the Giants, but I can see why this makes sense to Patricia.
Eric is usually pessimistic about everything. Patricia could have been given an offer he couldn’t refuse, whether that’s monetary, control, or other future guarantees. There are things to like about the Detroit roster but you can argue the Giants have better pieces and vice versa until your blue in the face. The fact is he is going to a shitstain franchise which tells me there’s more to it and just the QB.
Everyone thinks they know why a coach went somewhere. The only actual connection you can point to that matters is the GM, everything else is all speculation.
As "Patricia was the favorite to sign with the Giants". The beats weren't wrong, "a few days ago Patricia was coming here" was never a reality, you assumed it.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
Eli's wins are absolutely in the rearview. But the new HC has a great opportunity here to draft his guy and develop him. If they draft a QB @ #2, he'll have as many division titles and playoff wins as Stafford, without the largest contract in the league.
FWIW, *Everybody’s* wins, pretty much by definition, are in the rear view. Not sure that it’s a profound statement. Also, inarguable is that nobody knows what will come to pass.
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Such lazy analysis...
I wanted Patricia but won’t lose sleep over not getting him as there’s pros to each of the candidates we interviewed. But this notion that Pats cooridinators are only good because of BB is laughable.
Fair enough, but there's no evidence that they're good for any other reason, because they haven't been good at the NFL level when they're apart from BB.
It’s still shit logic. Patricia didn’t come on a conveyor belt as the next guy in line to just parrot BB and be his drone. He’s actuall transformed a portion of how the Pats operate and has been running the defense for 6 years. He’s as qualified as anyone to get a HC gig. It’s also quite possible in his older age that BB leans on his coordinators more - just speculation but it’s plausible.
how the hell do you know? Did someone from within the organization come out and say that Patricia is our guy?
Maybe the interview did not go well. Maybe the Lions were offering a better compensation plan. Maybe it would be more of a coaching challenge to get the Lions their first Superbowl ever. Maybe Patricia does not feel like he needs to worry about the QB position in Detroit vs NY.
MAYBE Detroit offered him a job and the Giants didn't. Holy shit imagine that ! How dare Patricia accept a position with a team that actually offered him the job.
RE: It’s obvious Wilks isn’t their first choice or he’d be hired by now Â
Clearly they are, or in light of today’s news, were waiting on Patricia, McDaniels, and Shurmur. Shurmur is the last domino in the game before they turn to their “safety school” candidate.
Not true at all because what is obvious is that Mara doesn't want egg in his face for picking an inexperienced coach after choosing BM two years ago and he really believes that experience matters...He also was going to get backlash if he chose a coach too soon. I think that Wilks is the pick and the Giants are doing their due diligence with the HC search.
As "Patricia was the favorite to sign with the Giants". The beats weren't wrong, "a few days ago Patricia was coming here" was never a reality, you assumed it.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
It is plan b based on what?
If plan b is Wilks then ok. It’s quite possible the Giants are equally happy with Patricia, McDaniels, Shurmur, and Wilks as potential head coaches. I know I am. They all have their pros and cons.
But intimating that it has anything to do with Eli is the pinnacle of transferrance of your own personal issues. So much specious reasoning going on here.
how the hell do you know? Did someone from within the organization come out and say that Patricia is our guy?
Maybe the interview did not go well. Maybe the Lions were offering a better compensation plan. Maybe it would be more of a coaching challenge to get the Lions their first Superbowl ever. Maybe Patricia does not feel like he needs to worry about the QB position in Detroit vs NY.
MAYBE Detroit offered him a job and the Giants didn't. Holy shit imagine that ! How dare Patricia accept a position with a team that actually offered him the job.
Um... just speculating based on what was reported in the media. That's all any of us can do, unless you care to share your inside information.
I think it’s more realistically Shurmur and Wilks.
That’s a good thought
Jon count me in. That would be awesome
The Patriots have all said the right things... I just don't know.
that's in honesty is a pipe dream in giants fans fantasy world..it s fun to dream..but in reality..that's all that is or was..
that whole NE thing was fodder..and click bait article type material in lull time of recent..nothing more
Of course Patricia chose Detroit, he has a working relationship with the gm..
And why should the giants be embarrassed if they hire wilkes? When did the giants say that he was out?
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I’d take him over Wilkes and Shurmur
Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Yea it’s Wilks or Shurmur. I know for sure Wilks isn’t out of it.
I agree and apparently so do a lot of other people. Shurmur to Arizona is a great fit. Bradford is his guy. That’s a plus for Arizona.
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Such lazy analysis...
I wanted Patricia but won’t lose sleep over not getting him as there’s pros to each of the candidates we interviewed. But this notion that Pats cooridinators are only good because of BB is laughable.
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I’d take him over Wilkes and Shurmur
Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
The adoration for Vrabel here is ridiculous. Review of Vrabel per their plugged in guys...
Additionally, Mike Vrabel struggled in his new defensive coordinator role. He started the year being too cute in trying to generate a pass rush when he had three players that can win blocks on their own. The team continued to play Cover Four while struggling to pass off receivers correctly, and the Texans lost to Seattle and New England because of it. Vrabel didn’t scheme to his opponent well and did things like play man against the horizontal crossing route offense that the Jaguars utilize by getting their quick receivers running full speed in space. I was never all the way here for Vrabel being good at this immediately. Calling plays and game planning is much different than teaching linebackers about hand placement after a first step in a pass rush.
That's what I've been saying as well. 12 years in NE together in fact.
As far as I know that dude hasn't been wrong yet.
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Paul Schwartz (@NYPost_Schwartz)
1/14/18, 9:17 AM
As the New York Post has been reporting, Matt Patricia was one of THREE top candidates for the Giants. Now there are two, Pat Shurmur and Josh McDaniels.
DO NOT discount Shurmur.
It’s really Shurmur or bust. Indy likely lands McDaniels.
We should be so lucky, on both fronts.
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choose the Lions too. More talent, less pressure, more stability.
The Giants job is a shitty job at the moment.
Lions are one of the more unstable franchises in the league. The only stability they’ve had is being consistently disappointing.
And as for pressure, the Ford family has indicated they expect a Super Bowl run in the next few years. Good luck to Patricia and Quinn on that while playing in a division with Rodgers and Mike Zimmers defense.
I don't disagree with any of that, but the Giants are one of the least stable franchises in the NFL right now. New GM, about to be on our 3rd HC in 4 years, QB on his last legs while also having to groom a new one most likely. We're a mess.
Where people see a mess, I see tremendous opportunity. Landscapes can easily be changed by those with the right vision, patience, touch.
McDaniels and Patricia may think they are making smart choices. They may both be terribly wrong.
By the way, both Colts fans and Lions fans feel their situations are a mess. I checked out some of their forums over the last week and many felt the Giants job would be the best! This is the “chicken little” mentality that sports fans have of thinking in a vacuum and looking in the mirror.
It's actually the exact opposite. It's me taking an objective look at the situation and realizing that the Lions are in a much better position to succeed than the Giants.
Will that always be the case? No. Will it even be the case to start next year? No. But as of right now you'd be crazy to say that the Giants are in a closer position to Win than the Lions.
Very true, but the Giants are closer than the Falcons. Sorry s still a little bitter from last night.
I think BBI needs to understand that despite the Giants being a stable franchise with good patient owners and a great tradition the HC job is not as attractive as the open jobs with young successful QBs and in tact locker rooms. McDaniels and Patricia have been hot commodities as HC candidates for years and they have also been extremely calculated in their decision making process. Neither was going to put themselves in what they perceived to be a risky situation and the Giants job is more high risk than Detroit or Indy right now.
Detroit has a young franchise QB, good talent on D, an established offense, and a GM who has ties to the Pats. The Giants offense is an enigma as is the future of the qb position and the defense would rather fight itself than the other team. Plus as much as I like Gettleman, he’s strong willed and is probably not open to sharing power on personnel with a HC. I completely get why Patricia prefers the Lions. I think it’s the wrong choice in the long run and I don’t think the Lions will be as patient as the Giants, but I can see why this makes sense to Patricia.
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I’d take him over Wilkes and Shurmur
Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
The adoration for Vrabel here is ridiculous. Review of Vrabel per their plugged in guys...
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The Texans’ defense plummeted from where we are accustomed to seeing them. Going back to 2012, the Texans have finished 4th, 18th, 6th, 8th, and 9th in defensive DVOA. This year they fell all the way to 23rd. They had a pass defense DVOA of 19.2% (25th) and a run defense DVOA of -9.9% (12th)
Additionally, Mike Vrabel struggled in his new defensive coordinator role. He started the year being too cute in trying to generate a pass rush when he had three players that can win blocks on their own. The team continued to play Cover Four while struggling to pass off receivers correctly, and the Texans lost to Seattle and New England because of it. Vrabel didn’t scheme to his opponent well and did things like play man against the horizontal crossing route offense that the Jaguars utilize by getting their quick receivers running full speed in space. I was never all the way here for Vrabel being good at this immediately. Calling plays and game planning is much different than teaching linebackers about hand placement after a first step in a pass rush.
Vrabel Lost his best two players on defense. Does that account for anything
Not to mention Texans lost their star QB. Which means his defense spends more time on the field
Vrabel is and will grow as a coach and I think he has the goods
It’s not looking like the Giants are in a position of strength where HC’s are not without better options and more stable organization to choose from at this point. This organization threw the GM and HC under the bus for making a decision that one player and the fans cried like spoiled kids about. Let’s not kid ourselves either any HC could look at film just like our new GM not much to like about what’s on film.
Again, the "love fest" for Patricia and McD is fueled to a large extent because they coach for BB. And, that coaching for BB is certainly not an indication they will be successful at next level.
And, as I stated in a few posts up from that, it is a puzzle trying to figure out who will be successful at the next level.
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ia based on their umbilical connection to BB.
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Such lazy analysis...
I wanted Patricia but won’t lose sleep over not getting him as there’s pros to each of the candidates we interviewed. But this notion that Pats cooridinators are only good because of BB is laughable.
Fair enough, but there's no evidence that they're good for any other reason, because they haven't been good at the NFL level when they're apart from BB.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
I think BBI needs to understand that despite the Giants being a stable franchise with good patient owners and a great tradition the HC job is not as attractive as the open jobs with young successful QBs and in tact locker rooms. McDaniels and Patricia have been hot commodities as HC candidates for years and they have also been extremely calculated in their decision making process. Neither was going to put themselves in what they perceived to be a risky situation and the Giants job is more high risk than Detroit or Indy right now.
Detroit has a young franchise QB, good talent on D, an established offense, and a GM who has ties to the Pats. The Giants offense is an enigma as is the future of the qb position and the defense would rather fight itself than the other team. Plus as much as I like Gettleman, he’s strong willed and is probably not open to sharing power on personnel with a HC. I completely get why Patricia prefers the Lions. I think it’s the wrong choice in the long run and I don’t think the Lions will be as patient as the Giants, but I can see why this makes sense to Patricia.
Eric is usually pessimistic about everything. Patricia could have been given an offer he couldn’t refuse, whether that’s monetary, control, or other future guarantees. There are things to like about the Detroit roster but you can argue the Giants have better pieces and vice versa until your blue in the face. The fact is he is going to a shitstain franchise which tells me there’s more to it and just the QB.
Everyone thinks they know why a coach went somewhere. The only actual connection you can point to that matters is the GM, everything else is all speculation.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
It is plan b based on what?
FWIW, *Everybody’s* wins, pretty much by definition, are in the rear view. Not sure that it’s a profound statement. Also, inarguable is that nobody knows what will come to pass.
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ia based on their umbilical connection to BB.
BB's tree not always successful McD got canned before, Crennel seems better suited at DC, Hufnagel came here as OC and was a disaster.
Such lazy analysis...
I wanted Patricia but won’t lose sleep over not getting him as there’s pros to each of the candidates we interviewed. But this notion that Pats cooridinators are only good because of BB is laughable.
Fair enough, but there's no evidence that they're good for any other reason, because they haven't been good at the NFL level when they're apart from BB.
It’s still shit logic. Patricia didn’t come on a conveyor belt as the next guy in line to just parrot BB and be his drone. He’s actuall transformed a portion of how the Pats operate and has been running the defense for 6 years. He’s as qualified as anyone to get a HC gig. It’s also quite possible in his older age that BB leans on his coordinators more - just speculation but it’s plausible.
In any case, it is what it is at this point.
Anyone????
how the hell do you know? Did someone from within the organization come out and say that Patricia is our guy?
Maybe the interview did not go well. Maybe the Lions were offering a better compensation plan. Maybe it would be more of a coaching challenge to get the Lions their first Superbowl ever. Maybe Patricia does not feel like he needs to worry about the QB position in Detroit vs NY.
MAYBE Detroit offered him a job and the Giants didn't. Holy shit imagine that ! How dare Patricia accept a position with a team that actually offered him the job.
Not true at all because what is obvious is that Mara doesn't want egg in his face for picking an inexperienced coach after choosing BM two years ago and he really believes that experience matters...He also was going to get backlash if he chose a coach too soon. I think that Wilks is the pick and the Giants are doing their due diligence with the HC search.
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As "Patricia was the favorite to sign with the Giants". The beats weren't wrong, "a few days ago Patricia was coming here" was never a reality, you assumed it.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
It is plan b based on what?
If plan b is Wilks then ok. It’s quite possible the Giants are equally happy with Patricia, McDaniels, Shurmur, and Wilks as potential head coaches. I know I am. They all have their pros and cons.
BBI: What coach wouldn't want the NY Giants job...
- Patricia is on Giant's short list
BBI: He's okay but we will have pick of the litter
- Patricia is also a candidate in Detroit
BBI: No worries, he'll never take that job over NY
- Patricia to Lions
BBI: What the hell are the Giants doing sitting on their asses while all the good coaches are being snapped up?
I agree with you here, I'm surprised more people aren't talking about the $$$$ factor, too.
It's employment. 99% of the consideration is $$$, followed by family relocation.
Had not. That sounds incredibly crafty of Mara, not sure that’s our style😋
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this was leaked to Schefter and that it's a bargaining ploy?
Had not. That sounds incredibly crafty of Mara, not sure that’s our style😋
Emil - leaked by someone in the Patricia camp
Well, the Giant franchise seems to do a very good job at panicking so lets see how this plays out in the next 24 hours...
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This is us left at the alter.
how the hell do you know? Did someone from within the organization come out and say that Patricia is our guy?
Maybe the interview did not go well. Maybe the Lions were offering a better compensation plan. Maybe it would be more of a coaching challenge to get the Lions their first Superbowl ever. Maybe Patricia does not feel like he needs to worry about the QB position in Detroit vs NY.
MAYBE Detroit offered him a job and the Giants didn't. Holy shit imagine that ! How dare Patricia accept a position with a team that actually offered him the job.
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Austin as a DC candidate
That’s a good thought
I’m pretty sure I heard the other week, the Bengals hired him