Adam Schefter (@AdamSchefter)
1/14/18, 9:09 AM
Patriots’ defensive coordinator Matt Patricia is likely to become the Detroit Lions’ next head coach, league sources told ESPN. More on Sunday NFL Countdown.
Yup, but I won’t lose sleep over either one. We aren’t losing out on the next Lombardi or Landry. Both will be fired within four years time with no Super Bowl wins. Book it.
And we can book it that the next Giants HC won't be fired within 4 years?
Even if both are indeed fired within 4 years, they will merely have the same fate as 3 of the last 5 Giants head coaches did. So who are we to laugh at them? And that's not counting the interim Spag.
to be honest, patricia is digging his own grave if he chooses lions... Â
over the giants...not to be a homer but what makes the lions job so enticing?
They never had had a stable franchise, the have no offensive line, no running game. A decent overpaid QB...a couple OK WR's...and a meh defense.
Oh they also play in the division with arguably the two best teams in the NFC in the vikings and packers when rodgers is healthy. Patricia wont sniff the playoffs and be fired in 3 years.
Yes the giants are a rebuild but its still the "giants". We have a top pick and still big time defensive players and arguably the most talented skill position player in the NFL...unless its just about the former relationship he's had with the guys that was in the pats and now running the lions...it makes no sense to me
I'll bet the Giants front office isn't as upset by this as BBI. Â
No guarantee Patricia or McDaniels are the next BB without BB and Brady. We'll see. McDaniels first attempt wasn't good and Patricia has never done it. Obviously down to Shurmur and Wilks and a case could probably be made for either although Shurmur has the experience. I think we'll all have a better light on this tomorrow. Been reading all week that the Giants front office was very,very high on Patricia after the interview.
Sorry meant very,very high on Shurmur after the interview Â
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
What’s your point? You always love to shit on the Giants at every turn. Every year you do the same thing in free agency. “The Giants are not a desirable destination...”. You say it every season. You love to play the contrarian constantly.
It couldn’t possibly be that Patricia chose the Lions because of his relationship with the GM, right? Or McDaniels loves the thought of having Andrew Luck in place, right? It just HAS to be that the Giants job sucks and nobody wants it. Can’t possibly be any other motives for players/coaches decisions.
Everything you wrote here about me is absolutely incorrect, but if it helps you to justify ignoring my input, so be it.
As "Patricia was the favorite to sign with the Giants". The beats weren't wrong, "a few days ago Patricia was coming here" was never a reality, you assumed it.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
It is plan b based on what?
Based on what's been reported basically everywhere. I'm not really big on buying the cloak and dagger bullshit, enough people were reporting that the Giants were favoring Patricia for me to believe it was true. Enough people are reporting that McDaniels and Shurmer are also high on our list for me to buy that as well.
Personally, I like Wilks, so I'm perfectly cool with "settling" on him.
RE: to be honest, patricia is digging his own grave if he chooses lions... Â
over the giants...not to be a homer but what makes the lions job so enticing?
They never had had a stable franchise, the have no offensive line, no running game. A decent overpaid QB...a couple OK WR's...and a meh defense.
Oh they also play in the division with arguably the two best teams in the NFC in the vikings and packers when rodgers is healthy. Patricia wont sniff the playoffs and be fired in 3 years.
Yes the giants are a rebuild but its still the "giants". We have a top pick and still big time defensive players and arguably the most talented skill position player in the NFL...unless its just about the former relationship he's had with the guys that was in the pats and now running the lions...it makes no sense to me
of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
You might be right. But how can we know if there was actually an offer? HC jobs don’t grow on trees. Some of these guys have to take a wink wink offer and not wait on the Giants old time ways of doing everything by the book, with integrity.
Any way, I think it might all work out, where they’ll possibly be forced to allow the GM to hire his own guy. WILKS
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And if you had bothered reading my input in the other thread, I made the same arguments you did about the reasons why Patricia would be tempted to pick the Lions over the Giants.
that the NY media environment has to play into this as well....Patricia is very rarely heard from and, from what I can tell, he seems to be a grounded family man who may value a much more “low profile” day to day grind. While any NFL head coach is going to encounter heightened public scrutiny, the NY market is an entirely different animal in almost every aspect....just my opinion obviously but I think it makes sense. How much crap would an ill fitted suit or bad haircut receive elsewhere for example? And don’t forget, his mentor may love the organization but, he’s also just about THE most press adverse coach in the NFL and knows this market as well as anyone.
Patricia and McDaniels
Wilks and Shurmer were my choices from the start.
If Wilks was DG man from the start, Then Mara shouild go with his GM's choice.
Don’t understand all the love for this guy Patricia. Does anyone in their right mind think Matt Patricia is the brains behind the Pats defense? We heard or read all the things you’d expect to hear about any Belichick disciple, smart, works hard, yada, yada, yada. But he’s only ever worked there at the Pats. That’s a red flag especially considering how nearly every single Belichick coach flames out when they leave the Pats. One can’t underestimate the extraordinary circumstances at Foxbough, the right ownership, Hoodie, Ernie Adams, Brady and the perennial shithole teams in the AFC East. Every little thing is set up for success in NE. Everything.
Another thing about Patricia that rubs me the wrong way is his whole frat bro personna. The backwards hat, the sloppy appearance, the ridiculous beard, the clown tee shirt, these things all present a childish image. Hey, that probably works just fine in Foxborough. But does anyone think that sort of thing is what Eli Apple or LC or OBJ need at this juncture in their careers? I don’t think so. Let the various Hoodie princes go where they may. It’s just as likely they’ll flame out like nearly - if not every - Belichick coach that has left the ideal situation created in NE.
Lets take the Rose colored glasses off. The Giants aren't a desirable destination for a top draw coach. Our GM has a rep as an asshole, we have a 37 year old QB that the HC will need permission to bench and we have malcontents on the roster. Also, losing will not be tolerated in NY. There's no grace period. And losing the first year may be beyond the HC's control. What if the Giants draft a total bust with the #2 ? Settling for leftovers is how they got stuck with McAdoo. We can do a lot worse than sticking with Spags. He knows the organization and he knows the personnel .
His coaching record was mixed with the Rams, but so was BB's with Cleveland. SS has probably learned from that. As a coordinator he has always been flexible and willing to go with what worked. As a coordinator he has been a winner for the Giants until this year. Thats should be more important to the Giants than his record with other teams.
Not all the beats said Patricia to NYG was certain.. Â
Lets take the Rose colored glasses off. The Giants aren't a desirable destination for a top draw coach. [b]Our GM has a rep as an asshole[/], we have a 37 year old QB that the HC will need permission to bench and we have malcontents on the roster. Also, losing will not be tolerated in NY. There's no grace period. And losing the first year may be beyond the HC's control. What if the Giants draft a total bust with the #2 ? Settling for leftovers is how they got stuck with McAdoo. We can do a lot worse than sticking with Spags. He knows the organization and he knows the personnel .
His coaching record was mixed with the Rams, but so was BB's with Cleveland. SS has probably learned from that. As a coordinator he has always been flexible and willing to go with what worked. As a coordinator he has been a winner for the Giants until this year. Thats should be more important to the Giants than his record with other teams.
with Quinn's roots at Pats Central. Familiarity is always important.
No loss, no gain from my perspective. Patricia is a huge unknown. It's one thing to wear the DC head set for the Pats knowing one of the game's great defensive minds is always less than 10 yards away. It's another to have to be responsible for all aspects of the team and set and create the culture.
RE: Not all the beats said Patricia to NYG was certain.. Â
some have said there is no clear favorite. Who knows.
This is correct. Two said Patricia was 1a. Others said he was one of three final candidates.
So the possibilities include:
(1) Patricia was 1a and simply chose Det over NYC.
(2) Patricia found out he wasn't 1a and he settled for DET.
(3) Giants hadn't decided and he didn't want to wait any longer.
#2 scenario works if you believe Giants have a deal done with Shurmur or McDaniels.
RE: Wow. That's embarrassing as hell for the Giants. Â
some have said there is no clear favorite. Who knows.
This is correct. Two said Patricia was 1a. Others said he was one of three final candidates.
So the possibilities include:
(1) Patricia was 1a and simply chose Det over NYC.
(2) Patricia found out he wasn't 1a and he settled for DET.
(3) Giants hadn't decided and he didn't want to wait any longer.
#2 scenario works if you believe Giants have a deal done with Shurmur or McDaniels.
My instincts tell me I doubt Mara has circumvented the rules and has a deal with either Shurmur or McDaniels. He’s likely content, for better or worse, waiting it out. It’s likely gonna backfire badly, but that’s been par for the course for this franchise the last calendar year.
RE: RE: This was expected by nearly everyone except the giants beats Â
Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This ‘they’re down to three’ is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.
While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, it’s more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
They don't have a "right story" to tell. Technically, none of these candidates can be hired yet. There's no actual way to refute the beats doing what amounts to glorified rumormongering. Is it really that complicated to understand that?
RE: RE: Not all the beats said Patricia to NYG was certain.. Â
some have said there is no clear favorite. Who knows.
This is correct. Two said Patricia was 1a. Others said he was one of three final candidates.
So the possibilities include:
(1) Patricia was 1a and simply chose Det over NYC.
(2) Patricia found out he wasn't 1a and he settled for DET.
(3) Giants hadn't decided and he didn't want to wait any longer.
#2 scenario works if you believe Giants have a deal done with Shurmur or McDaniels.
Why couldn't Quinn have given Patricia a deadline?
The worst job a coach has in any professional sport is dealing with a beloved aging star that won championship(s) that doesn't realize he is declining and wants to play. Eli got the last the coach and GM fired with the way he played things. If you do not think team Eli did not know exactly what they were doing you are stupid. This may be the NYG but dealing with mess, now, after the shit show, with half fan base delusionally thinking Eli is still the man...Who the fuck would really want this job with other jobs available?
RE: RE: Wow. That's embarrassing as hell for the Giants. Â
Reese isn’t here anymore. McAdoo isn’t here anymore. Wake up.
Are you addressing me? If so, re-read my post. I said I doubt Mara has a deal with anyone and is probably content on waiting. If that indeed is his strategy, it’s likeky to backfire.
choose Detroit were spelled out here many times by several different posters. Most of the beats wrote about it too. Lot of folks chose not to listen. Too many people just can't get it thru their heads that there's nothing particularly special about the NYG or NYC. And smart guys like Patricia make their decisions on hard-headed realities not silly platitudes.
And now the same folks are going to use the same non-logic logic to assume Shurmur chooses us over Arizona. Maybe he will but maybe he won't.
choose Detroit were spelled out here many times by several different posters. Most of the beats wrote about it too. Lot of folks chose not to listen. Too many people just can't get it thru their heads that there's nothing particularly special about the NYG or NYC. And smart guys like Patricia make their decisions on hard-headed realities not silly platitudes.
And now the same folks are going to use the same non-logic logic to assume Shurmur chooses us over Arizona. Maybe he will but maybe he won't.
Pretty much. But someone can never choose another team over their beloved Giants. They said it'd never happen. Now, look.
choose Detroit were spelled out here many times by several different posters. Most of the beats wrote about it too. Lot of folks chose not to listen. Too many people just can't get it thru their heads that there's nothing particularly special about the NYG or NYC. And smart guys like Patricia make their decisions on hard-headed realities not silly platitudes.
And now the same folks are going to use the same non-logic logic to assume Shurmur chooses us over Arizona. Maybe he will but maybe he won't.
No way Shurmur chooses Arizona over the NYG. It’s too damn hot.
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
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this was leaked to Schefter and that it's a bargaining ploy?
Well, the Giant franchise seems to do a very good job at panicking so lets see how this plays out in the next 24 hours...
Spags named HC is the panic move
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Eli's age and lack of great success in recent years, it's pretty obvious his window is short, at best.
thats might be true. But saying any past win is in the rear view is meaningless.
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this was leaked to Schefter and that it's a bargaining ploy?
Well, the Giant franchise seems to do a very good job at panicking so lets see how this plays out in the next 24 hours...
Spags named HC is the panic move
About as likely as winning the PowerBall lottery.
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Eli's age and lack of great success in recent years, it's pretty obvious his window is short, at best.
thats might be true. But saying any past win is in the rear view is meaningless.
It wasn't my term. And it was used in a specific context of discussion relative to Stafford.
I agree with you on this. But I like Chud as an OC with him a bit more
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In comment 13787135 gidiefor said:
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this was leaked to Schefter and that it's a bargaining ploy?
Well, the Giant franchise seems to do a very good job at panicking so lets see how this plays out in the next 24 hours...
Spags named HC is the panic move
About as likely as winning the PowerBall lottery.
It was a joke
Yup, but I won’t lose sleep over either one. We aren’t losing out on the next Lombardi or Landry. Both will be fired within four years time with no Super Bowl wins. Book it.
And we can book it that the next Giants HC won't be fired within 4 years?
Even if both are indeed fired within 4 years, they will merely have the same fate as 3 of the last 5 Giants head coaches did. So who are we to laugh at them? And that's not counting the interim Spag.
They never had had a stable franchise, the have no offensive line, no running game. A decent overpaid QB...a couple OK WR's...and a meh defense.
Oh they also play in the division with arguably the two best teams in the NFC in the vikings and packers when rodgers is healthy. Patricia wont sniff the playoffs and be fired in 3 years.
Yes the giants are a rebuild but its still the "giants". We have a top pick and still big time defensive players and arguably the most talented skill position player in the NFL...unless its just about the former relationship he's had with the guys that was in the pats and now running the lions...it makes no sense to me
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of you guys are twisting yourselves into pretzels to defend your point of view. Whether you agree with it or not, whether you like it or not, the Giants have been rejected by Patricia in favor of the Lions. The Giants didn't say no to Patricia. It is also likely that McDaniels is doing the same by choosing Indy. You can spin this anyway you want to make you feel better, but it is what it is.
What’s your point? You always love to shit on the Giants at every turn. Every year you do the same thing in free agency. “The Giants are not a desirable destination...”. You say it every season. You love to play the contrarian constantly.
It couldn’t possibly be that Patricia chose the Lions because of his relationship with the GM, right? Or McDaniels loves the thought of having Andrew Luck in place, right? It just HAS to be that the Giants job sucks and nobody wants it. Can’t possibly be any other motives for players/coaches decisions.
Everything you wrote here about me is absolutely incorrect, but if it helps you to justify ignoring my input, so be it.
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As "Patricia was the favorite to sign with the Giants". The beats weren't wrong, "a few days ago Patricia was coming here" was never a reality, you assumed it.
McDaniels likes Luck and Indy. Shurmer may pick AZ because they have a better roster and he's more likely to bring to bring Keemun with him there. It's a very real possibility that the Giants will have to go plan B here.
It is plan b based on what?
Based on what's been reported basically everywhere. I'm not really big on buying the cloak and dagger bullshit, enough people were reporting that the Giants were favoring Patricia for me to believe it was true. Enough people are reporting that McDaniels and Shurmer are also high on our list for me to buy that as well.
Personally, I like Wilks, so I'm perfectly cool with "settling" on him.
They never had had a stable franchise, the have no offensive line, no running game. A decent overpaid QB...a couple OK WR's...and a meh defense.
Oh they also play in the division with arguably the two best teams in the NFC in the vikings and packers when rodgers is healthy. Patricia wont sniff the playoffs and be fired in 3 years.
Yes the giants are a rebuild but its still the "giants". We have a top pick and still big time defensive players and arguably the most talented skill position player in the NFL...unless its just about the former relationship he's had with the guys that was in the pats and now running the lions...it makes no sense to me
Are we really not as great as we think we are?
You might be right. But how can we know if there was actually an offer? HC jobs don’t grow on trees. Some of these guys have to take a wink wink offer and not wait on the Giants old time ways of doing everything by the book, with integrity.
Any way, I think it might all work out, where they’ll possibly be forced to allow the GM to hire his own guy. WILKS
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Eli's age and lack of great success in recent years, it's pretty obvious his window is short, at best.
thats might be true. But saying any past win is in the rear view is meaningless.
It wasn't my term. And it was used in a specific context of discussion relative to Stafford.
whose wins are also in the rear view
Wilks and Shurmer were my choices from the start.
If Wilks was DG man from the start, Then Mara shouild go with his GM's choice.
Scary thing about him. He might keep Spags. lol
Another thing about Patricia that rubs me the wrong way is his whole frat bro personna. The backwards hat, the sloppy appearance, the ridiculous beard, the clown tee shirt, these things all present a childish image. Hey, that probably works just fine in Foxborough. But does anyone think that sort of thing is what Eli Apple or LC or OBJ need at this juncture in their careers? I don’t think so. Let the various Hoodie princes go where they may. It’s just as likely they’ll flame out like nearly - if not every - Belichick coach that has left the ideal situation created in NE.
His coaching record was mixed with the Rams, but so was BB's with Cleveland. SS has probably learned from that. As a coordinator he has always been flexible and willing to go with what worked. As a coordinator he has been a winner for the Giants until this year. Thats should be more important to the Giants than his record with other teams.
His coaching record was mixed with the Rams, but so was BB's with Cleveland. SS has probably learned from that. As a coordinator he has always been flexible and willing to go with what worked. As a coordinator he has been a winner for the Giants until this year. Thats should be more important to the Giants than his record with other teams.
Huh?
Also, if he was under serious consideration, why would they tell all assistants they were free to look for jobs?
No loss, no gain from my perspective. Patricia is a huge unknown. It's one thing to wear the DC head set for the Pats knowing one of the game's great defensive minds is always less than 10 yards away. It's another to have to be responsible for all aspects of the team and set and create the culture.
This is correct. Two said Patricia was 1a. Others said he was one of three final candidates.
So the possibilities include:
(1) Patricia was 1a and simply chose Det over NYC.
(2) Patricia found out he wasn't 1a and he settled for DET.
(3) Giants hadn't decided and he didn't want to wait any longer.
#2 scenario works if you believe Giants have a deal done with Shurmur or McDaniels.
And you know this how?
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some have said there is no clear favorite. Who knows.
This is correct. Two said Patricia was 1a. Others said he was one of three final candidates.
So the possibilities include:
(1) Patricia was 1a and simply chose Det over NYC.
(2) Patricia found out he wasn't 1a and he settled for DET.
(3) Giants hadn't decided and he didn't want to wait any longer.
#2 scenario works if you believe Giants have a deal done with Shurmur or McDaniels.
My instincts tell me I doubt Mara has circumvented the rules and has a deal with either Shurmur or McDaniels. He’s likely content, for better or worse, waiting it out. It’s likely gonna backfire badly, but that’s been par for the course for this franchise the last calendar year.
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Tried to be adamant about it without sounding redundant but as I said Patricia to Detroit is as bad of a secret as Shanahan to San Fran was last year. This ‘they’re down to three’ is completely false and now the beats will do there best to backpedal and spin this.
While the beats would need to back pedal to restore some credibility, it’s more on the Giants PR team to do the same. Either way they let that narrative run rampant all week without any attempts to to tell the right story.
They don't have a "right story" to tell. Technically, none of these candidates can be hired yet. There's no actual way to refute the beats doing what amounts to glorified rumormongering. Is it really that complicated to understand that?
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some have said there is no clear favorite. Who knows.
This is correct. Two said Patricia was 1a. Others said he was one of three final candidates.
So the possibilities include:
(1) Patricia was 1a and simply chose Det over NYC.
(2) Patricia found out he wasn't 1a and he settled for DET.
(3) Giants hadn't decided and he didn't want to wait any longer.
#2 scenario works if you believe Giants have a deal done with Shurmur or McDaniels.
Why couldn't Quinn have given Patricia a deadline?
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And someone on here told me he would never choose DET over the Giants. LOL, right.
And you know this how?
Know what?
Reese isn’t here anymore. McAdoo isn’t here anymore. Wake up.
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And someone on here told me he would never choose DET over the Giants. LOL, right.
And you know this how?
Know what?
That he chose the lions over the giants, how do you know the giants ever made an offer?
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And someone on here told me he would never choose DET over the Giants. LOL, right.
And you know this how?
Know what?
That he chose the lions over the giants, how do you know the giants ever made an offer?
LOL. Typical BBI shit-post.
Reese isn’t here anymore. McAdoo isn’t here anymore. Wake up.
Are you addressing me? If so, re-read my post. I said I doubt Mara has a deal with anyone and is probably content on waiting. If that indeed is his strategy, it’s likeky to backfire.
Fact is you do not know shit..
And now the same folks are going to use the same non-logic logic to assume Shurmur chooses us over Arizona. Maybe he will but maybe he won't.
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Austin as a DC candidate
That’s a good thought
I’m pretty sure I heard the other week, the Bengals hired him
Correctamundo. Teryl Austin took Bengals DC job last week.
And now the same folks are going to use the same non-logic logic to assume Shurmur chooses us over Arizona. Maybe he will but maybe he won't.
Pretty much. But someone can never choose another team over their beloved Giants. They said it'd never happen. Now, look.
And now the same folks are going to use the same non-logic logic to assume Shurmur chooses us over Arizona. Maybe he will but maybe he won't.
No way Shurmur chooses Arizona over the NYG. It’s too damn hot.
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I’d take him over Wilkes and Shurmur
Vrabel will be a future star HC in this league
I like Vrabel, too. Great Buckeye. Excellent NFL player. But how the hell do you know that ? Have you sat in on his unit meetings or something ?
I don’t know anything. It’s just a gut feeling. I’ve watched a bunch of Texans games. Just seems like his guys play for him
Have you ever had a gut feeling about something?
Vrabel is also a winner. Comes from the Patriot organization Good guy
Played the game right. Smart guy too
They don't play particularly well for him.