This is ALL Eli Manning's Fault

This is a weak position.

This is parody

That is going to have a first round blank slate QB on the roster. What are you talking about? Luck? Stafford?

But it’s certainly possible ppl around the league don’t view Eli as a legit starting NFL QB. IMO he’s average, and that’s probably a stretch.

also, if Mara is forcing players on coaches then it confirms what I think about him— he meddles way too much and needs to take a large step back.

I have it on good authority...lol

he gone cray?

By someone who knows little about football. If you have little knowledge of the game please do not post , or start your comment by stating that you have little knowledge but believe that the QB is the problem. Are you really McAdoo posting on here?

when every single one of your pronouncements is wrong is not to continue to make pronouncements.

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Who the he'll Eli thinks he is when he started complaining about being benched after the first half so Smith and Webb could see some playing time after the team is 2 and 10.

time to move on,the quicker the better.

I disagreed until I saw this.
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Elis experience would make it easier to learn a new system, not harder

In comment 13787250 sundayatone said:

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time to move on,the quicker the better.

Yeah..the only guy who showed up to Green Bay A SEASON AGO. I swear some of you are insufferable.

Oh contrare. With decent blocking Eli can play well for two years and when his contract is up the Giants will have a lot of cap space to work with.The problem with the Giants is not Eli but lack of talent on the offensive line, linebacker and defensive ends not playing up to their contracts.With a little blocking the Giant passing game can be one of the best int the league

The assistant coaches in this league are a fraternity . There is plenty of crosss talk and, regardless of what you might think of him,McAdoo got his nuts sliced off by the First Family of the NFL and a weak, vacillating owner.

However the #2 pick more than balances what we might term the “situation.” Gettleman has to be telling these guys that the Calvary is on the way. He has the short game and a long game vision.

when Geno/Webb were intended to be evaluated after a 2-9 start absolutely plays a role in choosing this job.

More so what’s after him. They could still miss on a QB this year and then what? New coach & new QB while Eli finishes up his HOF speech.

Patricia to the lions with Quinn and stafford is a safe move.

McDaniels to the colts with Luck, but more control is big gamble but 1 he seems willing to take.

This whole process sucks.

In comment 13787272 bLiTz 2k said:

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In comment 13787250 sundayatone said: Quote: time to move on,the quicker the better. Yeah..the only guy who showed up to Green Bay A SEASON AGO. I swear some of you are insufferable.

after the 1st quarter he was bad,the whole team was bad,go watch the game. he was very bad this past season. he is done.

These are all people with HC aspirations. The most important position on and NFL team is? Who that is MATTERS. Ours played the beginning of QB transition so well, he got his job back and the coach and GM fired in less than a week. They noticed. Now, if they thought after reviewing the tape(they did BEFORE the interview) that Eli was not declining an still as good as ever. We have the number 2 pick, this would be a good place to go. If you believe Eli no longer has it, still believes he has it and half the fan base is delusional enough to believe he is still the same guy, this job stinks. Transitioning from such a QB that has won championships is the WORST job to have. The locker room will splinter, the fans will be divided, shit, ownership is 50/50 they may be divided too, throw in the NYC media and this job sucks until Eli is replaced. MARA FCUKED UP. He should have let it happen, dealt with the PR and fired them at the end of the year so this shit show would have been on McAdoo & Reese.

I presume from your positive tone that Eli calls you directly at home and discusses this with you.
Of course John Mara wouldn't dare do anything without your direct input and Bob Tisch relies heavily on your advice!

It's great to have all this insider info. BTW Give adam Scheffler my best, of course Mike G could hardly be left out of this conversation. It is a Conversation! Right?


Sorry, I didn't realize I was intruding on a Front office inner working meeting.

My apologies kind sirs.

This reminds me of the discussion of savoir fairre.

but I leave that for another time.

I presume from your positive tone that Eli calls you directly at home and discusses this with you.
Of course John Mara wouldn't dare do anything without your direct input and Bob Tisch relies heavily on your advice!

It's great to have all this insider info. BTW Give adam Scheffler my best, of course Mike G could hardly be left out of this conversation. It is a Conversation! Right?


Sorry, I didn't realize I was intruding on a Front office inner working meeting.

My apologies kind sirs.

This reminds me of the discussion of savoir fairre.

but I leave that for another time.

Eli has at least two quality years left and he will probably be mentoring a #2 draft pick.

In comment 13787379 bc4life said:

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Eli has at least two quality years left and he will probably be mentoring a #2 draft pick.

If this were true they would not be choosing other places over the NYG.

They don’t intend to go QB at number 2, I could definitely see that being a turnoff. You never know when you get another crack at these things and tying your head coaching career and reputation to a guy who will turn 38 next season at QB and Webb as the only alternative (who is probably a total foreign entity to the guy being interviewed.) it doesn’t sound enticing

Otherwise this is a great job

In comment 13787383 LatHarv83 said:

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They don’t intend to go QB at number 2, I could definitely see that being a turnoff. You never know when you get another crack at these things and tying your head coaching career and reputation to a guy who will turn 38 next season at QB and Webb as the only alternative (who is probably a total foreign entity to the guy being interviewed.) it doesn’t sound enticing Otherwise this is a great job

That is a big otherwise. Even IF we draft that QB, the transition is going to be delicate in the least. If when you transition from Eli, he will have loyal people in that locker room. The fans are split. Our local media is insane. They are going to be on the QB story from day one like pitbulls on a bone.

If we draft a QB I think everyone knows what’s up. I have a feeling Eli may force a trade in that situation because he wouldn’t want a part of that. I don’t foresee a scenario where we have a circus with Eli and a kid on the roster at the same time. I could be wrong though. Even if I am, I think everyone will kind of see the writing on the wall. There will be Eli loyalists but publicly or privately angling against the possible future franchise QB wouldn’t be in anyone’s best interest

Eli always brings out the dumb in some people...

Let someone with no pro experience who will need to
Learn the system. Real smart.

Has gone downhill since 2007. Some people still have a point worth listening to but there is a lot of loud, noisy stupid shit on here. It's only gotten worse.

It's Resse's and the front office's fault for how they've run this organization into the fucking ground over the past 6 years.

Pretty soon Eli is gonna have used up all of his experience. I have my doubts about this qb class in general but if you think the idea of Eli and Webb at QB for a head coach with options is a shit sandwich. No one is eating it unless they have no other choices or if they have some surprising fascination with Webb dating back to his draft

In comment 13787202 Jim in Forest Hills said:

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he gone cray?

I was wondering the same thing! What did I have to drink last night?

In comment 13787483 Section331 said:

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In comment 13787202 Jim in Forest Hills said: Quote: he gone cray? I was wondering the same thing! What did I have to drink last night?

Oh fuck me I thought it was you also thus the reason I was gentle in my response up above..LOL

In comment 13787285 RetroJint said:

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The assistant coaches in this league are a fraternity . There is plenty of crosss talk and, regardless of what you might think of him,McAdoo got his nuts sliced off by the First Family of the NFL and a weak, vacillating owner. However the #2 pick more than balances what we might term the “situation.” Gettleman has to be telling these guys that the Calvary is on the way. He has the short game and a long game vision.

thanks, Retro, the Eli issue is real, but I'm not sure the #2 more than balances, given the uncertainties inherent at these QB picks this high.

Oh, and I hope it's not Calvary on the way, 2017 was quite enough! (:

That's what happens when you play for years behind a piss poor OL that's even worse than the Giants'.

STFU

Not the old GM or the new GM not the QB. Ownership specifically the two meddling incompetent Mara’s who think they’re “football men”.

Defense wins championships

In comment 13787175 BP in Delray said:

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But it’s certainly possible ppl around the league don’t view Eli as a legit starting NFL QB. IMO he’s average, and that’s probably a stretch. also, if Mara is forcing players on coaches then it confirms what I think about him— he meddles way too much and needs to take a large step back.

Even if I were a coach that thought Eli sucked and was never anything, it wouldn't matter, because the Giants have the #2 pick in the draft.

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That's what happens when you play for years behind a piss poor OL that's even worse than the Giants'.

Actually - you're right. Barring something crazy Eli will be playing opening day 2018 somewhere. Luck? Who knows.

Of course it's not ALL Eli's fault. No one is ever 100% to blame.
The reality is Eli is overpaid for his results over the last 3-4 years. Yeah OL bad Mac Magoo didn't like Eli etc...
The simple fact is Eli is a statute, and he doesn't have the quick read ability of peyton ,Brady etc.. so he gets sacked/intercepted more than he should.
If Eli wants to help future QB's by restructuring contract and becoming a player/mentor GREAT.
If not cut/trade him IMMEDIATELY

In comment 13787762 FStubbs said:

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In comment 13787175 BP in Delray said: Quote: But it’s certainly possible ppl around the league don’t view Eli as a legit starting NFL QB. IMO he’s average, and that’s probably a stretch. also, if Mara is forcing players on coaches then it confirms what I think about him— he meddles way too much and needs to take a large step back. Even if I were a coach that thought Eli sucked and was never anything, it wouldn't matter, because the Giants have the #2 pick in the draft.

To be fair the Colts have 3rd pick so they'll end up with a good player as well.

learning a new system?

Have been thinking this same thing. No coach wants to be the one to come in here and end Eli's career. Especially after what just happened this year when they tried to bench him. These coaches want to come in here and start new. They don't want Eli around. He's done. Giants have a major issue that these coaches don't want to deal with and they brought it on themselves the way they handles it by catering to Eli and fans

Go root for the Jets already ,,,,

But if a potential HC is afraid of a situation where he gets to help hand select the next Giants QB and transition to said QB within the next few years, why would we want him?

This HC position will outlive the Eli era.

In comment 13787910 OC1973 said:

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Have been thinking this same thing. No coach wants to be the one to come in here and end Eli's career. Especially after what just happened this year when they tried to bench him. These coaches want to come in here and start new. They don't want Eli around. He's done. Giants have a major issue that these coaches don't want to deal with and they brought it on themselves the way they handles it by catering to Eli and fans

Actually, Gettleman will be the one making the call as well.

more about building a team that has an OL, and a LB corps.
And having a successful team within whatever Eli's limitations are so that his replacement carries the success on.
2016 was a mirage. We've been average at best since 2012 due to player selection and/or coaching. While we have good players, one or more of guys like OBJ, Snacks, Jackrabbit, and others may be gone in 2020. Blame, if you want, was more player selection than coaching: a max 5 good players on 40 draft picks, and a huge dropoff in talent picked after rd 2 from 2012 through 2017; so much so we had to BUY a D.
We needed change....5 years ago at the GM/scouting staff.

In comment 13788154 GFAN52 said:

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In comment 13787910 OC1973 said: Quote: Have been thinking this same thing. No coach wants to be the one to come in here and end Eli's career. Especially after what just happened this year when they tried to bench him. These coaches want to come in here and start new. They don't want Eli around. He's done. Giants have a major issue that these coaches don't want to deal with and they brought it on themselves the way they handles it by catering to Eli and fans Actually, Gettleman will be the one making the call as well.

this. Eli era has ended or coming to an end. Why go to a job that has a bunch of ugliness to deal with and no idea who the future QB might be.

The more I think on this if Shurmur gets the gig, bring Keenum or draft somebody.

He tells coaches whom to play? Ummm, ok.

If that s what it takes to make your point why not. Lot s of people support their opinions by stating perception as fact, why not you.

I have no opinion on whom should coach the Giants or why someone would or wouldn't want to coach them because I understand I don t know enough to have a valid opinion.

Maybe that s a philosophy you should take on this coaching subject.

Eating tide pods

Anyone with a brain realizes the last two seasons where not Eli's fault. Sure he made some really crappy decisions but most of them were already in a season that was tanked already. Just throw it up there and see what happens. Give the fans a TD if a miracle happens

New coach wouldn't want..

1. Two time SB MVP
2. A guy proven that he can play behind an actual OL
3. The #2 pick in strong QB draft?

Its the perfect situation..