just think that if Giants ownership moved him up the ranks and took Marrone then spent the money of offense and defense. Would have probably gotten the remaining output from Eli. That McAdoo thing was just terrible and regardless of first year record you could see a bad offense being carried by strong defense with a weak schedule.
But let's be realistic here and realize that while he has a part in their success he has not been there long enough to put that big a stamp on that team. I'm sure his structure was a big improvement but let's not take away from what that coaching staff has done
Congrats Tom, his influence made a difference with a doubt. He never quit on us, but our front office short sheeted him on players during his tenure. Him being able to adjust over time is harder than people realize.
Congrats Tom, his influence made a difference with a doubt. He never quit on us, but our front office short sheeted him on players during his tenure. Him being able to adjust over time is harder than people realize.
Coughlin is the reason for the teams success. Said he brought organization and stability to the organization. Not sure why some don’t want to give him credit.
for the Jags' success - but to what extent? Most of the roster and coaches from this season were intact before he got there.
Even with the talent they had on the roster they were a shit show before he got there. He taught them how a winning organization works and how a contender is supposed to go about their business.
I have not followed him much since he left. I really did not want him to go as I knew the problem was the OL. But it came down on him in the end. He did make a few boneheaded calls though those last two years.
Anyway.. I 100% agree that just his presence in Jacksonville would bring the team together. But even in an outside role off the field I am sure his discipline tactics made there way through
I have not followed him much since he left. I really did not want him to go as I knew the problem was the OL. But it came down on him in the end. He did make a few boneheaded calls though those last two years.
Anyway.. I 100% agree that just his presence in Jacksonville would bring the team together. But even in an outside role off the field I am sure his discipline tactics made there way through
He is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations. He reports to Shad Khan, the owner. Everyone else on the football side of operations reports to Tom. Tom has final say on all football operations.
Game days not so much sometimes. This is the perfect job for him. No doubt his 6 days a week are a huge part of the 2017/18/Jags. But he’s not the coach and he picked very few of the players.
Game days not so much sometimes. This is the perfect job for him. No doubt his 6 days a week are a huge part of the 2017/18/Jags. But he’s not the coach and he picked very few of the players.
That is just dumb, stupid, idiotic through in more. Yeah, he was horrible except for 6 days of practice.
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Except there aren't 30 people ahead. It isn't about just Tom. They have talented players that were drafted high before Tom's arrival and some brought in by Tom himself in the draft/FA. They have talented coaches that also were unable to orchestrate any success before Tom arrived. Let's be clear, it is a coordinated effort that is focused on winning and that starts at the top.
Don't believe me? Well, take it from their owner, Shad Khan.
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“Winning on the field is hard, especially if you don’t have a good, fundamental core to build on,” he explained.
Building a core, a culture that would change the results on the field started with hiring Tom Coughlin to run the football operations.
“You’ve got to remember, the structure we have -- it's been tried before -- unsuccessfully, I might add. I didn't know Tom Coughlin well, but I just felt very strongly about it from Day 1 that we have a guy who basically bleeds Jaguars," Khan said. "Having this structure, for us, it’s unique, and it’s going to work for us, because what I felt we were missing was football IQ. Having people with more experience and then for them to work together. And very simply only one goal: winning.”
He brought the culture. He knows how to win. He has the Football I.Q.
It's all things people who have no idea what they're talking about say to each other to sound like they know something.
With all due respect to Shad Khan, I doubt he has any idea why his team is winning this year. It's not clear that he has any more football knowledge than the average fan.
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
And 90 % of those 30 were on last years' 3-13 team. Coughlin changed the culture of the organization. He's the one who got them all rowing together. Without him, they don't get a playoff spot, don't win their division.
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He brought the culture. He knows how to win. He has the Football I.Q.
It's all things people who have no idea what they're talking about say to each other to sound like they know something.
With all due respect to Shad Khan, I doubt he has any idea why his team is winning this year. It's not clear that he has any more football knowledge than the average fan.
I doubt that's true.. but at the end of the day his opinion counts more than almost anyone elses.. and he is damn happy with his discussion..
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Yeah ok.. he brought more impact players on this Jaguars team than Reese had as a GM for 2007 giants.. their offense is based on fournette and running game.. 2 of their best 3-4 defensive players were brought in this year.. Campbell even said TC was a big reason why he went there.. theiring WR was brought in this year.. and Tom gets less credit than 30 other people?
at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Yeah ok.. he brought more impact players on this Jaguars team than Reese had as a GM for 2007 giants.. their offense is based on fournette and running game.. 2 of their best 3-4 defensive players were brought in this year.. Campbell even said TC was a big reason why he went there.. theiring WR was brought in this year.. and Tom gets less credit than 30 other people?
Ok..
“More impact players than Reese brought in” comical.
Jalen Ramsey, Telvin Smith, Yannick say hello
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Game days not so much sometimes. This is the perfect job for him. No doubt his 6 days a week are a huge part of the 2017/18/Jags. But he’s not the coach and he picked very few of the players.
Best post so far. Sums it up perfectly, IMO.
Tom lost his ability to manage games his last few years here. No doubt - he lost us 2-3 games in each of his last 2 years as Giants HC.
That said, he still knows what it takes to win in his league and appears to have instilled that in the Jags organization. Good for him.
Might as well be.
If he were they wouldn’t be made the playoffs
Without him, they have one 1 playoff game total in their history.
Maybe it's a coincidence.
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If he were they wouldn’t be made the playoffs
BS, if they get there it's all due to TC!!!
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Might as well be.
Coach and GM report to him. Organizations that win have leaders. New England better watch out next week. Bortles and defense needs to step up.
Their owner credits him in particular with their turnaround.
I’m with ya.
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Might as well be.
That's not fair. The Jags actually managed the clock well today.
Belichick was pretty instrumental in two Giants Lombardis, as well.
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only because of TC! Giants for life, but gotta root for the guy who brought two rings to NY!
I’m with ya.
So am I. I am totally on the Jags bandwagon!
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only because of TC! Giants for life, but gotta root for the guy who brought two rings to NY!
I’m with ya.
So am I. I am totally on the Jags bandwagon!
Be sure to get your gear
All In With Coughlin - ( New Window )
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only because of TC! Giants for life, but gotta root for the guy who brought two rings to NY!
Belichick was pretty instrumental in two Giants Lombardis, as well.
Technically, in four Giants Lombardis...
Even with the talent they had on the roster they were a shit show before he got there. He taught them how a winning organization works and how a contender is supposed to go about their business.
Anyway.. I 100% agree that just his presence in Jacksonville would bring the team together. But even in an outside role off the field I am sure his discipline tactics made there way through
Anyway.. I 100% agree that just his presence in Jacksonville would bring the team together. But even in an outside role off the field I am sure his discipline tactics made there way through
He is the Executive Vice President of Football Operations. He reports to Shad Khan, the owner. Everyone else on the football side of operations reports to Tom. Tom has final say on all football operations.
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only because of TC! Giants for life, but gotta root for the guy who brought two rings to NY!
Belichick was pretty instrumental in two Giants Lombardis, as well.
Technically, in four Giants Lombardis...
I laughed
That is just dumb, stupid, idiotic through in more. Yeah, he was horrible except for 6 days of practice.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
Yes! I'm with you too. TC is a class act and an extraordinary person. I wish him only the greatest continued success.
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If he were they wouldn’t be made the playoffs
BS, if they get there it's all due to TC!!!
Right Marrone is just a robot TC controls
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
But....he's there and they won. People have to think there is a correlation there.
Smart people know that Doug Marrone was the COACH of the team, not Coughlin.
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Marrone has been on the team since 2015.
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Marrone has been on the team since 2015.
And this is his first full year as the head coach. But sure it’s Coughlin and not the head coach
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The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Marrone has been on the team since 2015.
And this is his first full year as the head coach. But sure it’s Coughlin and not the head coach
You finally get it.
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Except there aren't 30 people ahead. It isn't about just Tom. They have talented players that were drafted high before Tom's arrival and some brought in by Tom himself in the draft/FA. They have talented coaches that also were unable to orchestrate any success before Tom arrived. Let's be clear, it is a coordinated effort that is focused on winning and that starts at the top.
Don't believe me? Well, take it from their owner, Shad Khan.
Building a core, a culture that would change the results on the field started with hiring Tom Coughlin to run the football operations.
“You’ve got to remember, the structure we have -- it's been tried before -- unsuccessfully, I might add. I didn't know Tom Coughlin well, but I just felt very strongly about it from Day 1 that we have a guy who basically bleeds Jaguars," Khan said. "Having this structure, for us, it’s unique, and it’s going to work for us, because what I felt we were missing was football IQ. Having people with more experience and then for them to work together. And very simply only one goal: winning.”
Shad gives credit to Tom - Why don't you? - ( New Window )
It's all things people who have no idea what they're talking about say to each other to sound like they know something.
With all due respect to Shad Khan, I doubt he has any idea why his team is winning this year. It's not clear that he has any more football knowledge than the average fan.
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
And 90 % of those 30 were on last years' 3-13 team. Coughlin changed the culture of the organization. He's the one who got them all rowing together. Without him, they don't get a playoff spot, don't win their division.
It's all things people who have no idea what they're talking about say to each other to sound like they know something.
With all due respect to Shad Khan, I doubt he has any idea why his team is winning this year. It's not clear that he has any more football knowledge than the average fan.
I doubt that's true.. but at the end of the day his opinion counts more than almost anyone elses.. and he is damn happy with his discussion..
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Yeah ok.. he brought more impact players on this Jaguars team than Reese had as a GM for 2007 giants.. their offense is based on fournette and running game.. 2 of their best 3-4 defensive players were brought in this year.. Campbell even said TC was a big reason why he went there.. theiring WR was brought in this year.. and Tom gets less credit than 30 other people?
Ok..
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at least they are consistent in thinking that a head coach is supposed to win no matter what dreck the FO hands him.
The Jags put the lie to that nonsense and showed what can be done to change the culture when the coach and the FO are on the same page and the FO knows what it is doing in procuring talent.
Or by years of picking toward the top of the draft.
Coughlin was around for the acquisition of very few of the players on the roster. He’s not the GM. It’s like Kevin Durant going to Golden State and saying that he helped build it.
The Jaguars turn around was likely to happen with or without Coughlin after they drafted guys like Ramsey, Fowler, Yannick, Robinson, Smith, etc
The Jags were 4-12, 3-13, 5-11, 3-13 before Coughlin was hired.
Is it because of Coughlin or the players they drafted becoming better players and Marrone being a pretty damn good coach?
Obviously it's the players.. but talent alone doesn't win.. ask the jags.. took brought the culture.. it's Tom's culture and discipline that runs the jags from top to bottom.. players and coaches get time off credit and more than TC but TC also gets a lot of credit.. these are the Jaguars.. they have won one playoff game in this lifetime without TC.. and they've been to 3 AFC championship games with him...
Tom coughlin haters are having a tough day today..
Ah yes the “haters” comment. No it’s not about being a TC hater, it’s about realizing there’s 30 people ahead of him on the credit list.
Yeah ok.. he brought more impact players on this Jaguars team than Reese had as a GM for 2007 giants.. their offense is based on fournette and running game.. 2 of their best 3-4 defensive players were brought in this year.. Campbell even said TC was a big reason why he went there.. theiring WR was brought in this year.. and Tom gets less credit than 30 other people?
Ok..
“More impact players than Reese brought in” comical.
Jalen Ramsey, Telvin Smith, Yannick say hello
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“More impact players than Reese brought in” comical.
Jalen Ramsey, Telvin Smith, Yannick say hello
Campbell, Bouye are all pro... Their leading 2 receiver and leading RB were all brought in under TC..
Please tell me who JR brought in as GM that had more impact on SB 42.. and I mean the entire season.. because it took 20 games to win SB
Great football mind, created a good culture.
Too bad he didn't realize he was losing his fastball on the sidelines.
Best post so far. Sums it up perfectly, IMO.
Tom lost his ability to manage games his last few years here. No doubt - he lost us 2-3 games in each of his last 2 years as Giants HC.
That said, he still knows what it takes to win in his league and appears to have instilled that in the Jags organization. Good for him.
I hope the Jags win the Super Bowl and all immediately credit TC for their success.
I hope the Jags win the Super Bowl and all immediately credit TC for their success.
Even if the entire 53 and Doug came out and gave Tom credit, there would still be a BBI contingent that would deny Tom's influence.