We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach.
What Hitdog says. He kind of made it seem McDaniels was still in play today and sent a cryptic email to Eric. I wonder if this jives with what he is hearing
For what exactly? I heard something and i shared it. We all want to know who our next HC is going to be - figured people would like to know it seems the team finally chose someone.
For what exactly? I heard something and i shared it. We all want to know who our next HC is going to be - figured people would like to know it seems the team finally chose someone.
LOL - you must be new around here. Pretty standard for someone posting info like this to be hammered. You'll see that pretty soon I am sure - and don't expect apologies if your info is correct.
It wouldnt be Shurmur. Hes coaching a playoff game today. Its game day. You have run throughs and game prep all day before the game with your coaches.
They also have agents that do this work for them so I wouldn't completely rule it out.
Yes, but I cant see Shurmur taking calls with his agent in the day or two leading up to a huge home game. Theres a lot that goes into the head coach hiring in terms of responsibility and allowances on staff and programmatic changes they want made. Not just the legal and financial.
Hitdog stating today to not rule out McDaniels would lead me to believe McDaniels is the guy. He didnt exactly say that but hitdog has a very cryptic way of announcing things without announcing it. And hes as tuned in as anyone on this site.
on a coach that is not active in the playoffs. The Giants would likely not announce it this weekend. The NFL would probably frown upon making an announcement on a playoff weekend.
Then that would eliminate the coaches who's teams are still in contention (Patricia, McDaniels, Shurmur), correct? Leaving Wilks... that would not be a good hire in my book, I want someone who knows what it takes to win a SB.
They wouldn't announce Wilks because Patricia was their #1
Interviewed this week, then canceled his interview with the Colts. The week might have been spent negotiating a contract or maybe there was some debate in getting ownership on board.
I cant see it being Wilks. Unless Giants got word that all 3 guys are going elsewhere. I could also see us hiring someone no one saw coming and could be a huge hiring.
Then that would eliminate the coaches who's teams are still in contention (Patricia, McDaniels, Shurmur), correct? Leaving Wilks... that would not be a good hire in my book, I want someone who knows what it takes to win a SB.
Is it outright hired? Or agreed to terms with no executed contract, which would keep the playoff coaches in play.
Interviewed this week, then canceled his interview with the Colts. The week might have been spent negotiating a contract or maybe there was some debate in getting ownership on board.
That was my thought further up the thread. Could have been negotiating. Or MP tells them no and they need to figure out next step.
"Complaining about it" the very definition on how this site works. No matter who is named you can bet you last dollar 50% of the people here WILL complain about it.
RE: Also, if it is Wilks...the beats got this way wrong
Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Hearing from where?
Exactly. Hearing from who? I had no idea who this guy was so I checked out some of his posting history to see what kind of info hes shared to see if he is legit. Hes basically a Wilks fanboy who has been calling for Wilks and got upset when they supposedly moved on from him
Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Don't want the NE coordinators and want a defensive coach over offense (Shurmur). Think he and Gettleman will get the locker room straightened out biggest need for this team - clean up the mess
"Complaining about it" the very definition on how this site works. No matter who is named you can bet you last dollar 50% of the people here WILL complain about it.
Even if its the guy they want they will complain. Just think of an old bitty complain to just complain never happy unless they complain even then complain about that
Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
Hes had his team in the hunt for a SB every single year hes been there. They are the most consistent team year to year in the league not named the Pats. Hes won Super Bowls. He has an incredible win/loss record. Yeah, he sucks.
I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
I'm confused then. Shurmur has a game today, I can't imagine it's Shurmur. McDaniels? Seems so unlikely given Gettleman. I'm interested to see what happens.
Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
Hes had his team in the hunt for a SB every single year hes been there. They are the most consistent team year to year in the league not named the Pats. Hes won Super Bowls. He has an incredible win/loss record. Yeah, he sucks.
Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
Hes had his team in the hunt for a SB every single year hes been there. They are the most consistent team year to year in the league not named the Pats. Hes won Super Bowls. He has an incredible win/loss record. Yeah, he sucks.
Hes not the one drafting the endless supply of talent year after year.
Hes definitely overrated and his game plan today sucked ass.
I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Shurmur confirmed. #blessed
I hope so. Never wanted Patricia or McDaniels. I was hopeful in the early power struggle in Houston if BOB shook loose, but that has obviously been resolved. Shurmur is my 1B. #FeelTheShurm
Why? Because some someone like you suggests i do? Tomlin is a bad head coach.
Tomlin is not a bad head coach. You don't like him, so he is a bad head coach to you.
In fact, you are one of the most negative posters on BBI right there with Doomster and Bossman.
Youre entitled to disagree. I call it how I see it. Dont like it? Dont respond to my posts. Tomlin is bar none the most overrated HC in football. Hed be killed by this board if he was our coach with his decisions and management style.
see it being Shurmur. No way on Game-Day is he making agreements to be the head coach of a team. I could be totally wrong just shocked. With the way H-Dog was talking this morning i say its McD
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Youre entitled to disagree. I call it how I see it. Dont like it? Dont respond to my posts. Tomlin is bar none the most overrated HC in football. Hed be killed by this board if he was our coach with his decisions and management style.
He's in the playoffs every year. Did he make bad choices today, yes. And in New York we complain about everything short of the Super Bowl or World Series, so being killed on BBI is not out of the norm for anything.
see it being Shurmur. No way on Game-Day is he making agreements to be the head coach of a team. I could be totally wrong just shocked. With the way H-Dog was talking this morning i say its McD
has a career record of 116-60. In his 11 years as HC he has never had a losing record. He has won 10 or more games in 8 of his 11 seasons including the last four years. I don't understand how anyone can claim that he is a bad coach.
Maybe seeing the Pats score all of those points last night
Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Hearing from where?
Exactly. Hearing from who? I had no idea who this guy was so I checked out some of his posting history to see what kind of info hes shared to see if he is legit. Hes basically a Wilks fanboy who has been calling for Wilks and got upset when they supposedly moved on from him
There's seemingly a poster doing the same thing with each candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if it's all the same person and he/she will stick with whichever handle got it "right" and declare that handle an asshat. And people will believe it.
It would explain why it wasn't announced today as he has a playoff game and wouldn't want the distraction. They can't officially sign him and his agent is the one working out the details so he doesn't have to be in NJ to come to an agreement.
has a career record of 116-60. In his 11 years as HC he has never had a losing record. He has won 10 or more games in 8 of his 11 seasons including the last four years. I don't understand how anyone can claim that he is a bad coach.
His game plans in big game routinely are embarrassingly bad. He lost a game to Tim Tebow. Hes a regular season passenger. Hes a genuinely great person but hes not a good head coach in practice.
The loss today is on him. Just like last years loss. He kills his own team in the playoffs. Base game preparation, bad game plan, bad management. His players play hard for him I will give him that.
Eric, I'm not being a smartass here, but are you hearing "hired" or "agreed upon"? Cuz if it's hired then I'd imagine it's gotta be Wilks. If it's agreed upon then it leaves things open for McDaniels and Shurmur.
My guess is one of the Pats guys or Shurmur, especially since Eric just said 'agreed upon.' So, it's someone who still has games to coach as of this weekend.
My guess is one of the Pats guys or Shurmur, especially since Eric just said 'agreed upon.' So, it's someone who still has games to coach as of this weekend.
Fair enough. Could be McDaniels or Shurmur then assuming all the Patricia to Detroit tweets are correct.
My guess is one of the Pats guys or Shurmur, especially since Eric just said 'agreed upon.' So, it's someone who still has games to coach as of this weekend.
Probably going through agent anyway, but Shurmar has something to focus on today, McDaniels and Patricia were finished last night.
McDaniels. As others said no way Shurmur is talking to his agent game day. Also the Patricia word leaked this AM so maybe the Pats guys were told wrap it up today so Monday your entire focus is on next week's game.
No all he did was rule out Wilks. We now know that the reported hire is still playing but that still leaves McDaniels, Shurmur, and Patricia.
He deleted his response to Sean which made it SOUND like it was Patricia, then Eric posted he gets McD and Patricia mixed up some times... I need my pepto right now
No all he did was rule out Wilks. We now know that the reported hire is still playing but that still leaves McDaniels, Shurmur, and Patricia.
He deleted his response to Sean which made it SOUND like it was Patricia, then Eric posted he gets McD and Patricia mixed up some times... I need my pepto right now
was talking up the best coaches historically being from the defensive side and then going for an offensive coach. But maybe it's a misdirection, who knows. All I know is the only way I want Mike Munchak here is if he's going to suit up and play guard. He'd probably be the best offensive lineman on the team right now.
That makes the most sense as I doubt the organization could have gotten anywhere with Shurmur today. Part of me prefers Shurmur but McDaniels has the same bona fides Shurmur does.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
was talking up the best coaches historically being from the defensive side and then going for an offensive coach. But maybe it's a misdirection, who knows. All I know is the only way I want Mike Munchak here is if he's going to suit up and play guard. He'd probably be the best offensive lineman on the team right now.
I am hoping Mularkey gets fired. Russ Grimm is the OL coach for Tennessee and he is arguably the best OL coach in football. After the HC the OL coach might be the second most important hire this off-season. Is anyone can get something out of Flowers it would be Grimm.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
McDaniels or Shurmur. Sounds more like McDaniels, though.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thoughts on McDaniels if hes indeed the guy? Approve?
was talking up the best coaches historically being from the defensive side and then going for an offensive coach. But maybe it's a misdirection, who knows. All I know is the only way I want Mike Munchak here is if he's going to suit up and play guard. He'd probably be the best offensive lineman on the team right now.
I am hoping Mularkey gets fired. Russ Grimm is the OL coach for Tennessee and he is arguably the best OL coach in football. After the HC the OL coach might be the second most important hire this off-season. Is anyone can get something out of Flowers it would be Grimm.
Titans would only fire Mularkey if they could get McDaniels.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thank you Eric. Ignore the assholes who can't tell the difference between a rumor and fact. It's very interesting that the Giants have decided on an OC with either McDaniels or Shurmur being the candidates based on these rumors.
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Sounds like it.
I reread the Schefter tweet about Patricia says likely to Detroit, not something definitive, still sounds like speculation. Maybe ESPN is getting played.
The most interesting part is to find out if MP or JM was 1, and whether the Giants got their top guy.
agreed upon during the game. It could have happened last night, and it could have just been final negotiations with the agent. I don't think Shurmur is out of the question.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thank you Eric. Ignore the assholes who can't tell the difference between a rumor and fact. It's very interesting that the Giants have decided on an OC with either McDaniels or Shurmur being the candidates based on these rumors.
But maybe this goes hand in hand with a decision to go with a QB with the 2nd pick.
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
God I hope you're source is wrong again.
RE: Ok take this with a grain of salt because its from the same
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
Interesting. As the names gravitate more towards an offensive head coach, I think the Mara family likes Spags and to Spags credit, the Giants played hard for him down the stretch. I wouldn't be shocked to see them keep him as DC.
RE: RE: Ok take this with a grain of salt because its from the same
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
God I hope you're source is wrong again.
Been there done that with Spags. Time for new blood.
I wanted an offensive coach with some experience with the expectation we'd take a QB at 2. I like Spags, but I would prefer to simply start fresh there.
There are several talented DC candidates available
George Edwards contract will expire at season's end. Kris Richard is also a FA. I hope the Giants at least take a look at other candidates rather than just settling on Spags.
RE: Ok take this with a grain of salt because its from the same
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
Why are people so anti Spags? Did a tremendous job in 2016 with some talent, then this year the wheels fell off the entire team with injuries and the McAdoo effect.
RE: There are several talented DC candidates available
George Edwards contract will expire at season's end. Kris Richard is also a FA. I hope the Giants at least take a look at other candidates rather than just settling on Spags.
Most of these guys know who will be coming with them when they interview.
Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
RE: Ok take this with a grain of salt because its from the same
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
This is not asshat info by any means, but a good friend of mine in New England that happens upon some whispers sometimes said the word on the street up there is its McDaniels to the Giants and that McDaniels has no interest in Indy regardless of speculation.
Again, no idea if this is even true but figured Id share...
(Steeler/old Eagles pre wide 9) zone and DLs reading and reacting and dropping into zones. The only chance a defense has now in the NFL is too attack the QB at all costs almost all the time.
This is not asshat info by any means, but a good friend of mine in New England that happens upon some whispers sometimes said the word on the street up there is its McDaniels to the Giants and that McDaniels has no interest in Indy regardless of speculation.
Again, no idea if this is even true but figured Id share...
McDaniels must've changed his mind after realizing he would be working for Jim Irsay.
For what exactly? I heard something and i shared it. We all want to know who our next HC is going to be - figured people would like to know it seems the team finally chose someone.
But you didn't share any information. If you don't say who was hired, that's not sharing.
Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
You said you heard from two different people. One was someone that you heard from in the past and the other someone new. How accurate is the person in the past with news
Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
A. He has a strong GM in Gettleman
B. QBs selected at 2 versus 25 are apples to oranges
Gettleman leaned toward Wilks or Patricia after he and Patricia hit it off.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
Gettleman leaned toward Wilks or Patricia after he and Patricia hit it off.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
The "prior HC experience" may have been the deciding factor.
Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
You play that game and you'll eliminate virtually every coach in the NFL, including BB.
Did he suck? yes. He was 31 years old. People grow, mature, develop and improve.
Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
Why are people so anti Spags? Did a tremendous job in 2016 with some talent, then this year the wheels fell off the entire team with injuries and the McAdoo effect.
Horrible in 2015. Horrible with the Rams and Saints. Must have Tom Quinns photos.
RE: My source is telling me that Patricia to Detroit
Gettleman leaned toward Wilks or Patricia after he and Patricia hit it off.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
The "prior HC experience" may have been the deciding factor.
This is the part that has always stuck out for me. McAdoo was such a disaster and in over his head that as an owner, you get burned like that, you usually don't go back to the well again. Going after Patricia or Wilks both essentially is risking a defensive McAdoo. Shurmer and McDaniels always closer fit the bill for what Mara wanted.
Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
And most die hard steeler fans are fucking dense. Want to put my statement to the test? Meet me at north jersey bar during a steelers playoff game. Please.
Gettleman leaned toward Wilks or Patricia after he and Patricia hit it off.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
The "prior HC experience" may have been the deciding factor.
This is the part that has always stuck out for me. McAdoo was such a disaster and in over his head that as an owner, you get burned like that, you usually don't go back to the well again. Going after Patricia or Wilks both essentially is risking a defensive McAdoo. Shurmer and McDaniels always closer fit the bill for what Mara wanted.
Agreed. Either would work for me.
Well it looks like Shurmur maybe free on Monday given the NO score
This game just in case Minnesota loses. If Shurmur was number 2 and you had McDaniels number 1 then if Minnesota loses you have to make up your mind if you want to risk losing Shurmur for the chance at McDaniels. So, now that McDaniels is locked up (assumin it is McDaniels) it puts the Giants in a better position.
RE: Well it looks like Shurmur maybe free on Monday given the NO score
This game just in case Minnesota loses. If Shurmur was number 2 and you had McDaniels number 1 then if Minnesota loses you have to make up your mind if you want to risk losing Shurmur for the chance at McDaniels. So, now that McDaniels is locked up (assumin it is McDaniels) it puts the Giants in a better position.
The more important reason for hiring a HC ASAP is filling out the coaching staff. If they had to wait until after the SB they could miss out on several of their targets.
RE: RE: Well it looks like Shurmur maybe free on Monday given the NO score
Not one defensive coach from the team in 2017 has left. Maybe the agreement all along has been to keep Spags and his staff and revamp the offense totally.
Not one defensive coach from the team in 2017 has left. Maybe the agreement all along has been to keep Spags and his staff and revamp the offense totally.
Not one defensive coach from the team in 2017 has left. Maybe the agreement all along has been to keep Spags and his staff and revamp the offense totally.
In comment 13788556 BeckShepEli said:
[quote] is the Giants just hired someone big and the NFL doesn't want them to announce it during the game and it will break tonight [/quote.
In comment 13788556 BeckShepEli said:
[quote] is the Giants just hired someone big and the NFL doesn't want them to announce it during the game and it will break tonight [/quote.
Shurmur not high on the list for the Cards. Says it wouldn't be a good fit. Speculated that Munchak or James Bettcher would be more likely.
Also thought Shurmur makes much more sense for the Giants.
...have sources no other reporter has...not expecting anything official, but a rumor coming from somewhere else seems reasonable, no?
Not really. hitdog42 has been a good source. Eric has sources that email him privately. He said he had the same info from 2 sources, one he knew and another he didn't. If you read the thread thoroughly it's pointing to McDaniels. Just because the beat writers don't have a clue doesn't mean that others on the board don't.
RE: Hard to fathom multiple people on this board ...
...have sources no other reporter has...not expecting anything official, but a rumor coming from somewhere else seems reasonable, no?
Nothing "official" is allowed so that's a pointless to look for until any coaches in playoffs are finished. But the Ian Rapport, Adam Schefter types getting wind of it would be nice.
...have sources no other reporter has...not expecting anything official, but a rumor coming from somewhere else seems reasonable, no?
Eric has contacts, hitdog42 and JonC have contacts. If those three all agree on something, you have a pretty good chance that what they say is correct.
If you notice, none have come out directly as said so, but it is inferred/hinted. Each has to protect their contact and cannot confirm until the word comes out officially.
Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
Like you, they choose to remember only the parts that support their argument. You don't want him to be our coach, so you concentrate only on the negative aspects. All of these guys have some good and some bad things in their past.
RE: Hard to fathom multiple people on this board ...
...have sources no other reporter has...not expecting anything official, but a rumor coming from somewhere else seems reasonable, no?
Reporters have sources too, but they cant publish every rumor they hear, they do try to verify from multiple sources before publishing (something Im sure the beats are working on right now). Part of what makes internet chatter fun
Someone posts inside info and rumors here, they risk getting flamed by a bunch of anonymous fellow fans.
A reporter posts rumors, they risk losing access to the teams they cover...which is a career risk for them
Some of them still do post rumors in the ongoing game to one up each other...and look pretty bad if/when theyre proven wrong
Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
Like you, they choose to remember only the parts that support their argument. You don't want him to be our coach, so you concentrate only on the negative aspects. All of these guys have some good and some bad things in their past.
While thats a valid point hes not going to be the GM.
that LB corps has been the highlight of their defense for years. Their Line had a good year this year but theyve dealt with massive LB injuries over the years and still make it work.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I cant speak to that. But theres probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and hes admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good hes done?
that LB corps has been the highlight of their defense for years. Their Line had a good year this year but theyve dealt with massive LB injuries over the years and still make it work.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I cant speak to that. But theres probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and hes admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good hes done?
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and hes admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good hes done?
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
My one problem with hiring McD is that we will have to listen to these twits ramble about Tebow for his entire coaching career.
He is as good a candidate as any, and this being his second outing hopefully he has learned a bit.
that LB corps has been the highlight of their defense for years. Their Line had a good year this year but theyve dealt with massive LB injuries over the years and still make it work.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I cant speak to that. But theres probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
Also maybe we could have good Linebackers again!!
Exactly. Or, maybe they start to put at least somewhat of a better emphasis on drafting/signing quality LBs again? Couldn't hurt.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and hes admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good hes done?
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
If it's McDaniels I think one factor in his selection would be Gettleman asking him about the Giants using their #2 on a QB and the Giants believing he would be a good offensive coach to develop him.
Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And Im not taking about an1 season sample size Im talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
I like McDaniels specifically because he was once fired as a HC
And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
So, is there a consensus how reliable this info is?
And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And Im not taking about an1 season sample size Im talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
I wasn't saying their LB coach wasn't good. I objected to your lumping the O line coach in with him.
RE: So, is there a consensus how reliable this info is?
And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
Yawn
Or you can view it as taking the fucking job he had in front of him after losing his previous job.
But Belichick also wasn't a tire fire of a head coach, either. He had the rug pulled out from him by Modell in 1995 which torpedoed the Browns season. McDaniels didn't have any such excuses in Denver. He was Ben McAdoo there before there was a Ben McAdoo.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
I won't argue that Belichick was far better in his first gig than McDaniels was in his, but I do personally believe there is something to getting a second chance after failing the first time. It's not guaranteed you will be any better, as there are plenty of examples of second chance coaches who failed again. But I feel there is something valuable in self evaluation and getting an opportunity to correct past mistakes or try something a different way, when given a second chance.
But Belichick also wasn't a tire fire of a head coach, either. He had the rug pulled out from him by Modell in 1995 which torpedoed the Browns season. McDaniels didn't have any such excuses in Denver. He was Ben McAdoo there before there was a Ben McAdoo.
What you said about 95 destroying their season is true, but him getting run out of Cleveland on a rail wasn't just about 95. He was under .500 for four years with Cleveland going in to '95.
There's a difference between failing and being a fiasco
No, I agree with that. Not making excuses for him. I do think coaches learn by experience though. It was always a bad idea to hire someone that young and give him both jobs, coach and personnel. I don't believe anyone succeeds at that without a lot of experience.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
RE: There's a difference between failing and being a fiasco
from his first HC experience and how to improve upon. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for the link. Makes me feel better since it sounds like he was a bit humbled from his Denver experience and determined to learn from it. I'd imagine a decent chunk of his NYG interview was about what went wrong in Denver and what his takeaways were. If he's the guy then obviously Mara and Gettleman liked what they heard which is encouraging.
for reasons beyond them personally. Yes, I recognize both have accomplished a lot as coordinators, but I dont think thats why either one would be hired here.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
for reasons beyond them personally. Yes, I recognize both have accomplished a lot as coordinators, but I dont think thats why either one would be hired here.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
Did you consult a Ouija board or something? How the hell would you know who he would hire? Because of one comment in one press conference about liking defensive coaches? That's an awful lot of wild speculation.
Not take this as written gospel but either way there was a lot of evidence to draw that conclusion.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Cant wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants CEO type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
I do not ascribe to the myth that DG prefers a defensive coach
this is a misnomer based on his comment that defenses win championships. People have taken this to mean that he wants a defensive coach. First off Its not totally his decision who the coach is. That will ultimately be agreed upon by ownership and DG.
Secondly you do not have to be a defensive coach to have a team with a good or even great defense. Brian Billick was an offensive coach that had a team with the great defense with the Ravens. Coughlin was an offensive coach who won two superbowl because of a good defense. Especially 2007. and in fact the 2008 defense was actually quite good as well. Gary Kubiak was an offensive coach with a TOP defense.
So you dont need to have a defensive head coach to be a good defensive team. You DO need a Good DC and staff of coaches AND good players.
Not take this as written gospel but either way there was a lot of evidence to draw that conclusion.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Cant wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants CEO type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
Absolutely none of that addresses how Shurmur could have simply impressed Gettleman more in his interview.
dg was fighting up hill with wilks unless he blew the other candidates
Now we have to be patient and wait for Giants to announce. Eric probably has a pretty good idea but obviously cant be seen as a guy leaking information nor should he.
RE: RE: There's a difference between failing and being a fiasco
He was working with a few other QBs when Brady went down a few times over the years and the Pats did surprisingly well in his absence. Also I like the way the Pats offense seemingly reinvents itself week to week. And there talent at the skill positions aside from TE hasnt been incredible. If anyone here plays fantasy football you now how frustrating it can be to have one of there RBs or WRs on your squad. In fact sometimes one of these guys has a big week and doesnt even see the field the next week.
I do hope he has learned from his first go around as a head coach and if he has I believe he will be a solid hire. Although Ive always dreamed about getting B.B. back where he started
My understanding is that multiple sources have told Eric, GiantGrit, hitdog, and/or JonC that the Giants came to an agreement with one of the head coaching candidates, but none of them know the actual name. The rest is just people speculating that it's Josh McDaniels based only on the fact that Shurmur's team was playing on the day the agreement occurred.
Is that a correct summation? Am I missing something? Have any of the asshats said they know the actual name, but aren't revealing it out of respect for their source? Because if I'm not missing anything, then the logic that concludes it's McDaniels is faulty. I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but you can't conclude it's him based on the day it happened. As others have pointed out, the agreement could've been made between the team and Shurmur's agent and/or Shurmur could've demanded radio silence on it because he didn't want to create a distraction on game day.
My understanding is that multiple sources have told Eric, GiantGrit, hitdog, and/or JonC that the Giants came to an agreement with one of the head coaching candidates, but none of them know the actual name. The rest is just people speculating that it's Josh McDaniels based only on the fact that Shurmur's team was playing on the day the agreement occurring
Not really a correct summation. Much more hints at it being McD. Like hitdog asking why McD was ruled out. Also JonC indirectly pointing to McD's name by telling people it was correct logic to consider McD.
From page 4 in case you want the whole thing in context:
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why are people ruling out mcdaniels?
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
based purely on resume Shurmur is the better option. Success in multiple places, with multiple head coaches and consistently successful with lesser QBs. He made Colt McCoy look serviceable.
This doesn't mean he is the better choice, just that it looks that way on paper.
There were reports about NYG and Patricia but was a big indicator that Detroit never blinked. Similar situation here. We will know McDaniels is the guy if Indi moves on. If not, then Indi is still in play and not nothing is done.
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
Did any of them say they know who it is? I got the impression that they only know that there is a new guy, but not who it actually is and that they are merely speculating that it's McDaniels. It's possible that all of their sources only know that the Giants have ended the search and are operating as if an agreement has been reached with someone. If I were someone in middle management at Giants HQ I could see how it would be possible to know that Gettleman and Mara have ended the search but not know who they decided on.
But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
Did any of them say they know who it is? I got the impression that they only know that there is a new guy, but not who it actually is and that they are merely speculating that it's McDaniels. It's possible that all of their sources only know that the Giants have ended the search and are operating as if an agreement has been reached with someone. If I were someone in middle management at Giants HQ I could see how it would be possible to know that Gettleman and Mara have ended the search but not know who they decided on.
If you're looking for a "It is McDaniels" quote,it's not there! However, it doesn't take Columbo to figure out what is being insinuated. Also, I'd find it beyond ridiculous that DG & JM would "end" a search w/o knowing who their next coach is!
Eric said he got it from two sources. While no one came out and said that they knew who it was, the way they couched the comments didn't seem as if it was people speculating.
That said everyone has been burned and then criticized in the past, so seemed like caution rather than not knowing.
In comment 13789396 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Eric said he got it from two sources.
Did he claim he got a name from two sources or just that he heard there was a new sheriff in town? GiantGrit, who started the thread, came out and said from the start that all he knew was that a new guy had been hired, but that he didn't know who it was. And Eric followed by saying he had heard the same thing from two different sources. Well, if he heard the same thing, then he is merely speculating on who it might be. And JonC never claimed to know who it was either, only that in his mind logic dictated that it was McDaniels. But his logic was rather weak (no offense, JonC) and didn't include a variety of alternative possibilities.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
they have connections inside the organization, have apparently heard there was an agreement, and hinted at who it might be. They are being purposely vague to respect their sources, otherwise theyd just say it. Thats it.
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source. JonC has done this with many things in the past including our draft picks. You are going to have to wait like the rest of us.
In comment 13789396 Peter from NH (formerly CT) said:
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Eric said he got it from two sources.
Did he claim he got a name from two sources or just that he heard there was a new sheriff in town? GiantGrit, who started the thread, came out and said from the start that all he knew was that a new guy had been hired, but that he didn't know who it was. And Eric followed by saying he had heard the same thing from two different sources. Well, if he heard the same thing, then he is merely speculating on who it might be. And JonC never claimed to know who it was either, only that in his mind logic dictated that it was McDaniels. But his logic was rather weak (no offense, JonC) and didn't include a variety of alternative possibilities.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
Milton, Doesn't look like you'll be happy until Mara is at the podium. I & others have explained to you what was insinuated,why those in the know won't specifically name the person,we've pointed you to the pages where the info was given & you still keep asking the same questions. Since it seems you don't want to have any faith in 3 of the most respected posters on BBI,wait for the Mara PC!
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Youre ruining this thread. Either you believe whats being said or you dont. Leave it at that
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Milton, trust me when I say that JonC, Eric, and hitdog have an impeccable track record with this sort of thing. They are giving us what they can and letting us fill in the blanks.The reasons why should be obvious. Be skeptical if you like, just stop being willfully dense.
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Give it a rest man. I'm not sure about anything. I just don't see the point in demanding answers. They aren't going to give them to you, nor should they if they have legit sources. I get that you just want to know, everyone does, but if they give any more info than they might as well just flat out tell us (which isn't going to happen).
Youre ruining this thread. Either you believe whats being said or you dont. Leave it at that
I'm ruining the thread??? I believe the Giants have agreed to terms with a new head coach, which is what the asshats have said and it's all that they have said with any certainty.
I'm trying to determine if the conclusion that it is McDaniels is based on speculation or asshat info. None of the asshats have claimed to know the name of the new guy, but they've claimed to know that there is in fact a new guy. JonC, in particular, said he thought it was McDaniels based on logic, not insider info (and it was rather faulty logic). And Eric merely said not to rule out McDaniels, which is something he would've said even if he didn't know who the new coach was.
if they said they knew definitively than you'd have your answer. I don't really understand what's so puzzling about this. Its a rumor thread and they threw out some crumbs for us. Some believe them, some don't. They have a good track record so I'd be inclined to believe them, but that's me.
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
if they said they knew definitively than you'd have your answer. I don't really understand what's so puzzling about this. Its a rumor thread and they threw out some crumbs for us. Some believe them, some don't. They have a good track record so I'd be inclined to believe them, but that's me.
I believe them! I just don't get why some of you think that they kept some crumbs to themselves.
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
Your reading comprehension is bad go back and read it again
you want to know if they said they definitively knew who it was. I'm saying that if they said that they might as well just outright tell us. If they didn't know anything, I'm guessing they would have said that by now.
people get so sensitive...hes just saying no one said who it was. In particular there is one asshat who has said absolutely nothing and people are lapping it up!
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
Eric was clear that he was not hearing Wilks or Patricia as being the decision - With Shurmur coaching the final four got whittled to one.
Now - it could be a dark horse, or Shurmur's people could have agreed to a "wink wink" offer yesterday (and I don't think anyone is saying yesterday was the day of the agreement) but you are correct. No asshat on this thread has come out and said who WILL be the coach, just who will not and our inference.
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
I should have added /s at the end of that post. Just having a play-on-words bit of fun with your post.
people get so sensitive...hes just saying no one said who it was. In particular there is one asshat who has said absolutely nothing and people are lapping it up!
Actually hotdog on another thread made it very clear who it was and so did Jonc on this thread...
Also if you read erics comments he makes it very clear
I'm not "demanding answers"--I'm just replying to your replies, because you keep missing the point. Yes, those guys have a great track record, which is why I believe them when they say that the Giants have their man. But none of them have claimed to know who the man is. And isn't it possible that they aren't claiming to know who it is because they don't actually know who it is? I don't get why that is so hard for some of you to comprehend and yet I'm the one being called dense.
Milton, if you actually took the time to read through this thread (especially page 4 and 5 as was stated), then you would be able to come to your own conclusions.
I will spell it out for you....
The thread starter stated...
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GiantGrit : 1/14/2018 4:49 pm
We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach
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Eric from BBI : Admin : 1/14/2018 6:57 pm : link : reply
Not hearing Patricia or Wilks.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
where they won't come outright and name the guy, but they both made blatant references to McDaniels.
Not sure why you need them to write the words "it's mcdaniels"
I'm gonna try to spell this out as clearly as possible. There are two things going on here: insider info and speculation. Eric and JonC have been known to pass along insider info, but they also speculate on all things Big Blue. The thread started with GiantGrit saying he knew there was a new head coach, but that he wasn't given the name. Eric then confirmed that two different sources had told him the same. He didn't give any indication at the time that he had any more information than what GiantGrit had passed along.
Given this fact, speculation naturally followed re: who the new head coach was. And Eric and JonC participated in the speculation, at no time given any indication that what they were saying was anything more than speculation. The speculation followed two different lines of thinking, one which led to the conclusion that it was McDaniels, another which led to the conclusion it was Shurmur. I found the logic behind it being Shurmur to be more convincing than the logic behind it being McDaniels, but that's neither here nor there, none of the logic was conclusive.
But some seem to interpret Eric's and JonC's speculation as being hints, assuming they knew more than they ever claimed to know. And that's why I asked in my original comment if there was a comment that I might've missed in which either of the two had given any indication that a name had been passed on to them. In response to that question, all I've received is more speculation about hidden motives that Eric or JonC would have for only revealing half of the information they had been given. So just more speculation and none of it remotely conclusive.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
Take hitdog advice and go to a thread that is not obvious and you will see who he says will be head coach..
the article posted about what JM has learned from his Denver stint as HC, Im inclined to think he would much prefer the Giants ownership vs the train wreck of an owner in Indy. I also dont think Indys QB situation is as attractive as some would think with Lucks shoulder....he plays a very physical style of game and that took him out for over a year, shades of Romo to me in some ways.
Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
So some of you saying McDaniels... other's agreeing but saying that if it's Shurmur you would have no clue... other's saying Wilks and Shurmur but NOT McDaniels....
As someone who just registered, it's really hard to decipher what's BS and what's not lol....
Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
I think it's less them fearing getting something wrong and more the fact that a lot of people around here are flaming assholes about this kind of stuff.
Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
I think it's less them fearing getting something wrong and more the fact that a lot of people around here are flaming assholes about this kind of stuff.
Well yeah that's where the fear comes from, you get called on the carpet, told you don't know shit and then people mistrust you. Why go out on a limb when it may break and the people below will bludgeon you with their keyboards?
I personally don't want McDaniels or Wilks, Shurmur I have no opinion on yet. I think it takes a certain type of personality and demeanor to be good at this and I don't see that in either of those guys. Wilks seems like a yes man and McDaniels still gets in tiffs with Tom Brady like a 10 year old. Now Munchak breaks free, which means one more opening but also maybe one more candidate?
Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
I think it's less them fearing getting something wrong and more the fact that a lot of people around here are flaming assholes about this kind of stuff.
It's more about being careful with what is shared and when, especially when things get relayed to places like Twitter.
There was no confirmation given, we each shared hearing what the chatter was yesterday. Without a confirmed deal signed the situation is fluid.
Given this morning's news out of Tennessee, am I right to assume that what you guys Eric, JonC, hotdog, etc..) were hearing yesterday is no longer applicable? Or would you not completely write that off yet?
Now the info shared yesterday alluded to the fact that we were in agreement w/someone & the coaching search was over.We used to call that a Gentleman's Agreement. However if this agreement was broken,the Giants have no recourse in this matter.It's why anyone w/"asshat"info on BBI is very careful on how & what they share as they have no control of that situation going forward. It's why I appreciate people like JonC,Eric & hitdog still,in spite of the assholes who react to asshats info if it doesn't come true,trying to tell us what they have heard.Please don't stop fellas,it's one of the great things about BBI.You can only control what you can control & for the majority of us it is greatly appreciated!
Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
So some of you saying McDaniels... other's agreeing but saying that if it's Shurmur you would have no clue... other's saying Wilks and Shurmur but NOT McDaniels....
As someone who just registered, it's really hard to decipher what's BS and what's not lol....
Don't try. Thank the lead, take it for what it is worth and go on your merry way.
These situations are very fluid. It could be that team is settled on Candidate A and then the contract negotiations become a headache and the team or the Candidate moves on or threatens to move on, it could be that team and Candidate A are all on board but the Cadidate's family objects or wants to move closer to home or other family and Candidate A balks, it could be a team or an agent spreading disinformation or trying to create some buzz in the fanbase in one direction or another.
Unfortunately, there are some posters who do not comprehend this and want a "scoop". They pile on immediately in many cases and start scorekeeping as though someone guaranteed them something. The net result of this idiocy is posters say nothing or leave rather than put up with the bullshit.
Personally, if Jawn Mara walked up to me, furnished ID and told me who the next coach was, I wouldn't say a word on here because it isn't worth the nonsense.
Now the info shared yesterday alluded to the fact that we were in agreement w/someone & the coaching search was over.We used to call that a Gentleman's Agreement. However if this agreement was broken,the Giants have no recourse in this matter.It's why anyone w/"asshat"info on BBI is very careful on how & what they share as they have no control of that situation going forward. It's why I appreciate people like JonC,Eric & hitdog still,in spite of the assholes who react to asshats info if it doesn't come true,trying to tell us what they have heard.Please don't stop fellas,it's one of the great things about BBI.You can only control what you can control & for the majority of us it is greatly appreciated!
Given this morning's news out of Tennessee, am I right to assume that what you guys Eric, JonC, hotdog, etc..) were hearing yesterday is no longer applicable? Or would you not completely write that off yet?
I've heard nothing new today, but the chatter on tv about the Titans gig opening up potentially changing things.
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As much as Titans covet Josh McDaniels, there's little to no shot of landing him this late in the game. The Colts remain heavy favorites
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McDaniels is a virtual lock to be Colts next head coach. Patricia going to Detroit. Shurmur heading to NYG. Leaves AZ/TEN needing HCs...
Canfora has been pretty tied in to nyg since Gettleman was the hire
One of the problems the asshats bring upon themselves though...
is when they allow people to infer knowledge they have no business inferring. For example, a person who admittedly knows nothing about who was supposedly hired unofficially yesterday, but has heard that the Giants have made that commitment then allows people to infer that they know who the Giants have signed causes much argument and strife over who knows what.
It would be easier (and imo better to read through the threads) if the asshats were a little clearer about what they've heard.
Whatever - this is admittedly pretty petty stuff to get in a twist about, but then it might help us read through fewer posts trying to decipher what seems like purposefully confusing prose.
(I've also heard they've reached an agreement, but I can't say with who) is so much clearer than (I've also heard they've reached an agreement, but my people don't know who with).
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
I didnt make the thread to be selfish. People have been going crazy (myself included) to know who the new coach will be. It is a worrisome time, but an exciting time too. Personally, i love coming here and reading when you or the other credible guys relay what you hear. Whether you discreetly put something in a different thread, or give it its own thread, its being put out there regardless.
its so much more fun when people with sources post what they hear
i dont understand why anyone gets bent out of shape about it. you'd rather just argue amongst yourselves over whether patricia's a jerk for preferring detroit over nyc? now that seems like a waste of time
who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
I didnt make the thread to be selfish. People have been going crazy (myself included) to know who the new coach will be. It is a worrisome time, but an exciting time too. Personally, i love coming here and reading when you or the other credible guys relay what you hear. Whether you discreetly put something in a different thread, or give it its own thread, its being put out there regardless.
That there is an unknown candidate for the giants still. Anyone else see that? Who could it be?
Not gonna happen, but I'd laugh if, after all the wild speculation and hand-wringing, the Giants somehow landed Belichick. I'd laugh even harder if both Patricia and McDaniels got jobs elsewhere and left the Pats holding the bag.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Belichick isn't coming. Let it go.
Arc - We will see what happens. I understand where you are coming from - it does sound too good to be true. Thanks for being polite and not being a dick. "beELIve it and it will happen." m strahan
That there is an unknown candidate for the giants still. Anyone else see that? Who could it be?
Ed "Straight Arrow" Gennaro
"YOU KNOW HOW TO PLAY WINNING HARD-NOSED FOOTBALL? YOU PLAY FOOTBALL LIKE ED GENERRO PLAYED FOOTBALL. A guy who gave his life for this football team. He was a 140-pound halfback, and HE PLAYED LIKE A GODDAMN WILDMAN! NO! LIKE A GODDAMN RAMPAGING BEAST! And that's the way you got to do it! YOU GO OUT THERE! YOU TEAR THEIR FUCKING HEADS OFF, AND YOU SHIT DOWN THEIR NECKS! Let us pray."
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Belichick isn't coming. Let it go.
Arc - We will see what happens. I understand where you are coming from - it does sound too good to be true. Thanks for being polite and not being a dick. "beELIve it and it will happen." m strahan
I'm just not sure what is making you so confident in this.
All indications are that Shurmur is the guy and if not for the miracle play to Diggs last night, it would probably be official right about now.
Of course, until it is final, it is not final.
But I think the Giants are pretty intent on offering him the job and by all accounts, he plans on accepting it.
The guess is my opinion, the asshat info was someone telling me we hired someone today.
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The guess is my opinion, the asshat info was someone telling me we hired someone today.
What's their bonafides?
So, it seems likely they have already reached a nod and wink deal with someone
Cant announce it unless they lose.
For what exactly? I heard something and i shared it. We all want to know who our next HC is going to be - figured people would like to know it seems the team finally chose someone.
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And dont kill this guy ?
For what exactly? I heard something and i shared it. We all want to know who our next HC is going to be - figured people would like to know it seems the team finally chose someone.
LOL - you must be new around here. Pretty standard for someone posting info like this to be hammered. You'll see that pretty soon I am sure - and don't expect apologies if your info is correct.
Thats how i understand it. i dug up the article of the rule changes from last March and it was the last one on there.
They also have agents that do this work for them so I wouldn't completely rule it out.
If true we might see a flurry late this evening.
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It wouldnt be Shurmur. Hes coaching a playoff game today. Its game day. You have run throughs and game prep all day before the game with your coaches.
They also have agents that do this work for them so I wouldn't completely rule it out.
Yes, but I cant see Shurmur taking calls with his agent in the day or two leading up to a huge home game. Theres a lot that goes into the head coach hiring in terms of responsibility and allowances on staff and programmatic changes they want made. Not just the legal and financial.
Hitdog stating today to not rule out McDaniels would lead me to believe McDaniels is the guy. He didnt exactly say that but hitdog has a very cryptic way of announcing things without announcing it. And hes as tuned in as anyone on this site.
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Pat Shurmur's agent is now asking the Giants and Cardinals for more money.
Could be asking for even more in a couple of hours.
Whether it's Wilks/McDaniels/Shurmer
Wilks would have been announced already. Wilks may be a great coach, but they should have jumped on him earlier this week for optics.
NO ONE is talking Giants with McDaniels. No one. Maybe they hammered something out regarding personnel say & QB at number 2.
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Pat Shurmur's agent is now asking the Giants and Cardinals for more money.
Could be asking for even more in a couple of hours.
Yea, looking that way. Shurmur is currently looking like the QB whisperer!
Useful info!
This guy again. Its like hes coming from the mountains
McDaniels
Wilks
Shurmur
And thats if BB or SP are out of it.
Very curious
Is it possible that the Giants agrees in principle with him and have been negotiating terms since?
It hasnt been announced because they havent had a chance to inform all of the other candidates (like Shurmur)
At least there wouldnt be 2 more weeks of excrutiating waiting. BBI can shift the conversation to complaining about the hire!
It hasnt been announced because they havent had a chance to inform all of the other candidates (like Shurmur)
Agreed.
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At least there wouldnt be 2 more weeks of excrutiating waiting. BBI can shift the conversation to complaining about the hire!
And trust me, I feel like complaining about it already.
And we all know he's never wrong right.
Shurmur was prepping for the game all day.
So, its either McDaniels or maybe Patricia.
OR, the local beats were wrong about the 3 finalists
Care to share anything further????
Let's see if this guy is wrong before we criticize him. He also hasn't be posting false rumors numerous times like Slade.
Is it outright hired? Or agreed to terms with no executed contract, which would keep the playoff coaches in play.
With the Rooney/Mara connection and the expiration of Todd Haley's contract in Pitt, the Giants hire Todd and BBI implodes.
That was my thought further up the thread. Could have been negotiating. Or MP tells them no and they need to figure out next step.
No you can't.
If the beats are correct in addition to hitdog, its McDaniels.
Are you really suggesting that Tomlin isnt a fantastic coach?
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It must have been the endorsement from coaching extraordinaire, Mike Tomlin that sealed the deal. And what a clinic he put on today!
Are you really suggesting that Tomlin isnt a fantastic coach?
I'd take Mike Tonkin here in a second.
Hearing from where?
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It must have been the endorsement from coaching extraordinaire, Mike Tomlin that sealed the deal. And what a clinic he put on today!
Are you really suggesting that Tomlin isnt a fantastic coach?
Hes awful. His talent overcomes his bonehead management. He also has no control of the locker room.
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Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Hearing from where?
The voices in his head
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It must have been the endorsement from coaching extraordinaire, Mike Tomlin that sealed the deal. And what a clinic he put on today!
Are you really suggesting that Tomlin isnt a fantastic coach?
Hes awful. His talent overcomes his bonehead management. He also has no control of the locker room.
Holy shit. You should delete your account after this comment.
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Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Hearing from where?
Exactly. Hearing from who? I had no idea who this guy was so I checked out some of his posting history to see what kind of info hes shared to see if he is legit. Hes basically a Wilks fanboy who has been calling for Wilks and got upset when they supposedly moved on from him
Interesting. Thanks for posting even just that, Eric. Appreciated.
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Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Hearing from where?
The voices in his head
Ok then.
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It must have been the endorsement from coaching extraordinaire, Mike Tomlin that sealed the deal. And what a clinic he put on today!
Are you really suggesting that Tomlin isnt a fantastic coach?
Hes awful. His talent overcomes his bonehead management. He also has no control of the locker room.
Holy shit. You should delete your account after this comment.
Why? Because some someo e like you suggests i do? Tomlin is a bad head coach.
Shurmur confirmed. #blessed
schurmur is only other
Even if its the guy they want they will complain. Just think of an old bitty complain to just complain never happy unless they complain even then complain about that
Hes had his team in the hunt for a SB every single year hes been there. They are the most consistent team year to year in the league not named the Pats. Hes won Super Bowls. He has an incredible win/loss record. Yeah, he sucks.
I'm confused then. Shurmur has a game today, I can't imagine it's Shurmur. McDaniels? Seems so unlikely given Gettleman. I'm interested to see what happens.
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Shurmur confirmed. #blessed
From your mouth to Gods ear and my faith will be restored in Giants ownership.
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Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
Hes had his team in the hunt for a SB every single year hes been there. They are the most consistent team year to year in the league not named the Pats. Hes won Super Bowls. He has an incredible win/loss record. Yeah, he sucks.
Won A super bowl
Hahaha!
Doesnt that mean it is Wilks? Wouldnt he say hes hearing its not wilks? Instead he said I am not hearing it is wilks
Why? Because some someone like you suggests i do? Tomlin is a bad head coach.
Tomlin is not a bad head coach. You don't like him, so he is a bad head coach to you.
In fact, you are one of the most negative posters on BBI right there with Doomster and Bossman.
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Doesnt that mean it is Wilks? Wouldnt he say hes hearing its not wilks? Instead he said I am not hearing it is wilks
Seriously...? Re-read.
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Have wanted him fired for years. His leadership of looking ahead to the Pats in the AFCC was really hallmark. Cant believe he said it on national TV too.
Hes had his team in the hunt for a SB every single year hes been there. They are the most consistent team year to year in the league not named the Pats. Hes won Super Bowls. He has an incredible win/loss record. Yeah, he sucks.
Hes not the one drafting the endless supply of talent year after year.
Hes definitely overrated and his game plan today sucked ass.
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Doesnt that mean it is Wilks? Wouldnt he say hes hearing its not wilks? Instead he said I am not hearing it is wilks
no, it means he is not hearing it is Wilks, meaning it is not Wilks
Shades of the David Wilson pick in 2012, he knows but ain't permitted to speak...
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Doesnt that mean it is Wilks? Wouldnt he say hes hearing its not wilks? Instead he said I am not hearing it is wilks
Overthinking....it's not hearing Wilks is pretty clear in that statement to me that Wilks isn't their selection.
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Shurmur confirmed. #blessed
I hope so. Never wanted Patricia or McDaniels. I was hopeful in the early power struggle in Houston if BOB shook loose, but that has obviously been resolved. Shurmur is my 1B. #FeelTheShurm
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Why? Because some someone like you suggests i do? Tomlin is a bad head coach.
Tomlin is not a bad head coach. You don't like him, so he is a bad head coach to you.
In fact, you are one of the most negative posters on BBI right there with Doomster and Bossman.
Youre entitled to disagree. I call it how I see it. Dont like it? Dont respond to my posts. Tomlin is bar none the most overrated HC in football. Hed be killed by this board if he was our coach with his decisions and management style.
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Doesnt that mean it is Wilks? Wouldnt he say hes hearing its not wilks? Instead he said I am not hearing it is wilks
Overthinking....it's not hearing Wilks is pretty clear in that statement to me that Wilks isn't their selection.
Yeah that's my bad. Whoops sorry
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Youre entitled to disagree. I call it how I see it. Dont like it? Dont respond to my posts. Tomlin is bar none the most overrated HC in football. Hed be killed by this board if he was our coach with his decisions and management style.
He's in the playoffs every year. Did he make bad choices today, yes. And in New York we complain about everything short of the Super Bowl or World Series, so being killed on BBI is not out of the norm for anything.
Yeah, completely agree
We'll probably hear from Schefter or one of the beats once the unofficial in-game embargo is lifted.
Fun thread by the way except for the Tomlin stuff.
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Patricia was the biggest roadblock between Gettleman and Wilks as ownership wanted Patricia. They got confirmation that Patricia is going to Detroit and decided to start wrapping up the search with Wilks. Finalizing terms.
Hearing from where?
Exactly. Hearing from who? I had no idea who this guy was so I checked out some of his posting history to see what kind of info hes shared to see if he is legit. Hes basically a Wilks fanboy who has been calling for Wilks and got upset when they supposedly moved on from him
There's seemingly a poster doing the same thing with each candidate. I wouldn't be surprised if it's all the same person and he/she will stick with whichever handle got it "right" and declare that handle an asshat. And people will believe it.
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I am NOT hearing it is Wilks, but I'm just the messenger.
Doesnt that mean it is Wilks? Wouldnt he say hes hearing its not wilks? Instead he said I am not hearing it is wilks
*Head Explodes*
haha
Except they can't get a deal done today.
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made the Giants want to get a deal done with McDaniels today.
Except they can't get a deal done today.
I don't mean an 'official' deal.
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made the Giants want to get a deal done with McDaniels today.
Except they can't get a deal done today.
Well, either can the Lions.
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made the Giants want to get a deal done with McDaniels today.
Except they can't get a deal done today.
I don't mean an 'official' deal.
You mean a "wink wink" deal. Still see him going to the Colts.
Eric does Big Blue Horseshoe love McDaniels Steel?
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made the Giants want to get a deal done with McDaniels today.
Except they can't get a deal done today.
I don't mean an 'official' deal.
You mean a "wink wink" deal. Still see him going to the Colts.
Yep, they could've talked over the phone easily, or his agent could've.
The Colts comment means nothing.
His game plans in big game routinely are embarrassingly bad. He lost a game to Tim Tebow. Hes a regular season passenger. Hes a genuinely great person but hes not a good head coach in practice.
The loss today is on him. Just like last years loss. He kills his own team in the playoffs. Base game preparation, bad game plan, bad management. His players play hard for him I will give him that.
Would I take him over McAdoo? In a heartbeat.
Eric, I'm not being a smartass here, but are you hearing "hired" or "agreed upon"? Cuz if it's hired then I'd imagine it's gotta be Wilks. If it's agreed upon then it leaves things open for McDaniels and Shurmur.
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made the Giants want to get a deal done with McDaniels today.
Except they can't get a deal done today.
I don't mean an 'official' deal.
You mean a "wink wink" deal. Still see him going to the Colts.
Yep, they could've talked over the phone easily, or his agent could've.
The Colts comment means nothing.
What makes you think it's McDaniels?
Shurmur or McD..but like i said before with H-Dog this morning and shurmur coaching today i gotta think its McDaniels
I think Eric just did, didn't he?
Fair enough. Could be McDaniels or Shurmur then assuming all the Patricia to Detroit tweets are correct.
Probably going through agent anyway, but Shurmar has something to focus on today, McDaniels and Patricia were finished last night.
Eric is coy when he has true asshatery going on.
hitdog42 : 10:38 am : link : reply
seems odd to remove him from the mix
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Tell us who it is.
I think Eric just did, didn't he?
No all he did was rule out Wilks. We now know that the reported hire is still playing but that still leaves McDaniels, Shurmur, and Patricia.
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seems odd to remove him from the mix
If its McDaniels Im happy with that, and it would mean he and his people have BB level secrecy intact.
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Tell us who it is.
I think Eric just did, didn't he?
No all he did was rule out Wilks. We now know that the reported hire is still playing but that still leaves McDaniels, Shurmur, and Patricia.
He deleted his response to Sean which made it SOUND like it was Patricia, then Eric posted he gets McD and Patricia mixed up some times... I need my pepto right now
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Tell us who it is.
I think Eric just did, didn't he?
No all he did was rule out Wilks. We now know that the reported hire is still playing but that still leaves McDaniels, Shurmur, and Patricia.
He deleted his response to Sean which made it SOUND like it was Patricia, then Eric posted he gets McD and Patricia mixed up some times... I need my pepto right now
The mystery continues....
At a certain point, it will be announced that we've hired...Somebody.
At a certain point, it will be announced that we've hired...Somebody.
LOL, that sums it up nicely.
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
At a certain point, it will be announced that we've hired...Somebody.
And it is not Wilks.
And Eric was cryptic with Patricia.
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Correct logic.
That makes the most sense as I doubt the organization could have gotten anywhere with Shurmur today. Part of me prefers Shurmur but McDaniels has the same bona fides Shurmur does.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
I don't play games on BBI.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
McDaniels is it then. ;)
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Correct logic.
Would give me a smile for the first time this entire year if its McDaniels.
I am hoping Mularkey gets fired. Russ Grimm is the OL coach for Tennessee and he is arguably the best OL coach in football. After the HC the OL coach might be the second most important hire this off-season. Is anyone can get something out of Flowers it would be Grimm.
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Correct logic.
JonC always great to see you. I concur. This is the logical train of thought.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thanks Eric!
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
McDaniels or Shurmur. Sounds more like McDaniels, though.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thoughts on McDaniels if hes indeed the guy? Approve?
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was talking up the best coaches historically being from the defensive side and then going for an offensive coach. But maybe it's a misdirection, who knows. All I know is the only way I want Mike Munchak here is if he's going to suit up and play guard. He'd probably be the best offensive lineman on the team right now.
I am hoping Mularkey gets fired. Russ Grimm is the OL coach for Tennessee and he is arguably the best OL coach in football. After the HC the OL coach might be the second most important hire this off-season. Is anyone can get something out of Flowers it would be Grimm.
Titans would only fire Mularkey if they could get McDaniels.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thank you Eric. Ignore the assholes who can't tell the difference between a rumor and fact. It's very interesting that the Giants have decided on an OC with either McDaniels or Shurmur being the candidates based on these rumors.
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Sounds like it.
I reread the Schefter tweet about Patricia says likely to Detroit, not something definitive, still sounds like speculation. Maybe ESPN is getting played.
The most interesting part is to find out if MP or JM was 1, and whether the Giants got their top guy.
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Not hearing Patricia or Wilks.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Thank you Eric. Ignore the assholes who can't tell the difference between a rumor and fact. It's very interesting that the Giants have decided on an OC with either McDaniels or Shurmur being the candidates based on these rumors.
But maybe this goes hand in hand with a decision to go with a QB with the 2nd pick.
He said McDaniels?
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Correct logic.
JonC always great to see you. I concur. This is the logical train of thought.
It's great to see the asshats come out today and bring good news...
But maybe this goes hand in hand with a decision to go with a QB with the 2nd pick.
That's what I was thinking. Gettleman might have decided this was the better hire for the new QB they take with the 2nd pick.
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It is obviously McDaniels.
He said McDaniels?
Read between the lines
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It is obviously McDaniels.
He said McDaniels?
Look above to his reply to Emil's post
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It is obviously McDaniels.
He said McDaniels?
Scroll up, logic says it's McDaniels and he agreed.
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But maybe this goes hand in hand with a decision to go with a QB with the 2nd pick.
That's what I was thinking. Gettleman might have decided this was the better hire for the new QB they take with the 2nd pick.
In which case, either going with Shurmur or McDaniels makes total sense.
I wanted Wilks or Patricia for this very reason.
I really hope thats not true.
The 2014 version of Luck?
God I hope you're source is wrong again.
Interesting. As the names gravitate more towards an offensive head coach, I think the Mara family likes Spags and to Spags credit, the Giants played hard for him down the stretch. I wouldn't be shocked to see them keep him as DC.
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Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
God I hope you're source is wrong again.
Been there done that with Spags. Time for new blood.
Why are people so anti Spags? Did a tremendous job in 2016 with some talent, then this year the wheels fell off the entire team with injuries and the McAdoo effect.
Most of these guys know who will be coming with them when they interview.
AWESOME!!
We need a look at guys like Apple, Thompson, DRC and others through a lens other than Spagnuolos
An offensive minded HC with a great resume shouldnt shock anyone. Whether it is Shurmur or McDaniels.
Again, no idea if this is even true but figured Id share...
Again, no idea if this is even true but figured Id share...
McDaniels must've changed his mind after realizing he would be working for Jim Irsay.
Apparently so.
Buy what you want. Ive posted two things Ive heard and both have been wrong- this could be as well. Just thought Id share.
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And dont kill this guy ?
For what exactly? I heard something and i shared it. We all want to know who our next HC is going to be - figured people would like to know it seems the team finally chose someone.
But you didn't share any information. If you don't say who was hired, that's not sharing.
CHI- Nagy
DET- Patricia
NYG- McDaniels
IND- Vrabel
ARI- Shurmur
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
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Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
A. He has a strong GM in Gettleman
B. QBs selected at 2 versus 25 are apples to oranges
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
The "prior HC experience" may have been the deciding factor.
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Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
You play that game and you'll eliminate virtually every coach in the NFL, including BB.
Did he suck? yes. He was 31 years old. People grow, mature, develop and improve.
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lmao
I don't play games on BBI.
lighten up..it was a damn joke
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Front office contact that told me Braylon Edwards to the Giants was a done deal and that they were signing Felix Jones a few years back but, word is it is McDaniels and he will retain Spags as his D coordinator- going back to the opportunity Spags gave him in St. Louis after his Denver HC job.
Why are people so anti Spags? Did a tremendous job in 2016 with some talent, then this year the wheels fell off the entire team with injuries and the McAdoo effect.
Horrible in 2015. Horrible with the Rams and Saints. Must have Tom Quinns photos.
Not what Eric hears.
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Gettleman leaned toward Wilks or Patricia after he and Patricia hit it off.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
The "prior HC experience" may have been the deciding factor.
This is the part that has always stuck out for me. McAdoo was such a disaster and in over his head that as an owner, you get burned like that, you usually don't go back to the well again. Going after Patricia or Wilks both essentially is risking a defensive McAdoo. Shurmer and McDaniels always closer fit the bill for what Mara wanted.
And most die hard steeler fans are fucking dense. Want to put my statement to the test? Meet me at north jersey bar during a steelers playoff game. Please.
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Gettleman leaned toward Wilks or Patricia after he and Patricia hit it off.
And that fuckin Mara leaned McDaniels or Shurmur based on a couple of failed head coaching records that help him sleep at night after he botched the McAdoo hire 2 years ago.
The "prior HC experience" may have been the deciding factor.
This is the part that has always stuck out for me. McAdoo was such a disaster and in over his head that as an owner, you get burned like that, you usually don't go back to the well again. Going after Patricia or Wilks both essentially is risking a defensive McAdoo. Shurmer and McDaniels always closer fit the bill for what Mara wanted.
Agreed. Either would work for me.
Wow what a comeback. I would prefer Shurmur between the two especially if he can lure George Edwards to NY also.
The more important reason for hiring a HC ASAP is filling out the coaching staff. If they had to wait until after the SB they could miss out on several of their targets.
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to take the lead, and be able to accept a HC offer.
Wow what a comeback. I would prefer Shurmur between the two especially if he can lure George Edwards to NY also.
Maybe I spoke to quickly if the Vikings can get in FG range.
Pat Graham left
Wrong
[quote] is the Giants just hired someone big and the NFL doesn't want them to announce it during the game and it will break tonight [/quote.
Urban Meyer baby!!
[quote] is the Giants just hired someone big and the NFL doesn't want them to announce it during the game and it will break tonight [/quote.
Urban Meyer baby!!
Maybe hell push to trade Eli Apple
Brees deserved better.
He's been a defensive coordinator before.
He's been a defensive coordinator before.
God I hope you're wrong. Gray was not a good DC.
Hope not.
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my guess is defensive coordinator would be Jerry Gray...current Vikings secondary coach.
He's been a defensive coordinator before.
God I hope you're wrong. Gray was not a good DC.
Believe me....I hope I'm wrong too.
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Hope not.
Even if not Giants, AZ is a done deal.
And I'm curious why Dan Campbell with Saints isn't a head coaching candidate.
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tell us....
I second this
Officially, if it's Patricia, McDaniels or Shurmur I guess the earliest you'll hear anything official is when they're teams are eliminated.
Joey,
I'm waiting for you to bust one of these out
Not at all. Pats and Vikes are still in it.
Also thought Shurmur makes much more sense for the Giants.
But it still could be shurmur? Im fine with either just seems like we will never find out at this rate.
You have to ask yourself how much better McD as HC with Spags defense would be than the failure that was Spags HC with McD O.
Not really. hitdog42 has been a good source. Eric has sources that email him privately. He said he had the same info from 2 sources, one he knew and another he didn't. If you read the thread thoroughly it's pointing to McDaniels. Just because the beat writers don't have a clue doesn't mean that others on the board don't.
Nothing "official" is allowed so that's a pointless to look for until any coaches in playoffs are finished. But the Ian Rapport, Adam Schefter types getting wind of it would be nice.
Eric has contacts, hitdog42 and JonC have contacts. If those three all agree on something, you have a pretty good chance that what they say is correct.
If you notice, none have come out directly as said so, but it is inferred/hinted. Each has to protect their contact and cannot confirm until the word comes out officially.
Don't think Hitdog has ever been wrong
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Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
Like you, they choose to remember only the parts that support their argument. You don't want him to be our coach, so you concentrate only on the negative aspects. All of these guys have some good and some bad things in their past.
Reporters have sources too, but they cant publish every rumor they hear, they do try to verify from multiple sources before publishing (something Im sure the beats are working on right now). Part of what makes internet chatter fun
Someone posts inside info and rumors here, they risk getting flamed by a bunch of anonymous fellow fans.
A reporter posts rumors, they risk losing access to the teams they cover...which is a career risk for them
Some of them still do post rumors in the ongoing game to one up each other...and look pretty bad if/when theyre proven wrong
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Dont know him but the cowboy linebackers are usually good. Whats wrong with him?
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
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Throw for 3,800+ yards in year one with not much talent on offense outside of Brandon Marshall... got fired in year 2 because the team struggled on top of him trying to trade Jay Cutler to New England for Matt Cassell and they didn't like that he benched Brandon Marshall for disciplinary reasons.
How come no one on BBI remembers his legacy in Denver.
Are you really going to trust the guy who used the 25th pick in the draft (that he traded up to get) on Tim Tebow with our future franchise QB?
Like you, they choose to remember only the parts that support their argument. You don't want him to be our coach, so you concentrate only on the negative aspects. All of these guys have some good and some bad things in their past.
While thats a valid point hes not going to be the GM.
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Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
Their DL is better.
Hes been a LB coach for some 10 years with the Browns and the Cowboys. Hasnt advanced or stood out.
Just a few alterations here and there
No idea about the lack of advancement so I cant speak to that. But theres probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
You have to ask yourself how much better McD as HC with Spags defense would be than the failure that was Spags HC with McD O.
McD will want his own DC. I don't see Spags returning given the house cleaning we've just seen.
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I cant speak to that. But theres probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
Also maybe we could have good Linebackers again!!
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
My one problem with hiring McD is that we will have to listen to these twits ramble about Tebow for his entire coaching career.
He is as good a candidate as any, and this being his second outing hopefully he has learned a bit.
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that LB corps has been the highlight of their defense for years. Their Line had a good year this year but theyve dealt with massive LB injuries over the years and still make it work.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I cant speak to that. But theres probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
Also maybe we could have good Linebackers again!!
Exactly. Or, maybe they start to put at least somewhat of a better emphasis on drafting/signing quality LBs again? Couldn't hurt.
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Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
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how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and hes admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good hes done?
The perfect candidate doesnt exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
If it's McDaniels I think one factor in his selection would be Gettleman asking him about the Giants using their #2 on a QB and the Giants believing he would be a good offensive coach to develop him.
McDaniels has almost a decade more experience since taking Tebow. People need to get over it.
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Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And Im not taking about an1 season sample size Im talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
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Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And Im not taking about an1 season sample size Im talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
I wasn't saying their LB coach wasn't good. I objected to your lumping the O line coach in with him.
When hitdog and JonC point us in the same direction, I listen.
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And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
Yawn
Or you can view it as taking the fucking job he had in front of him after losing his previous job.
I think the phrase of the day is "shithole"
What you said about 95 destroying their season is true, but him getting run out of Cleveland on a rail wasn't just about 95. He was under .500 for four years with Cleveland going in to '95.
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No, I agree with that. Not making excuses for him. I do think coaches learn by experience though. It was always a bad idea to hire someone that young and give him both jobs, coach and personnel. I don't believe anyone succeeds at that without a lot of experience.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
He was also 33 years old. Now he is 41. I'd hope learned a lot since then.
Thanks for the link. Makes me feel better since it sounds like he was a bit humbled from his Denver experience and determined to learn from it. I'd imagine a decent chunk of his NYG interview was about what went wrong in Denver and what his takeaways were. If he's the guy then obviously Mara and Gettleman liked what they heard which is encouraging.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
Did you consult a Ouija board or something? How the hell would you know who he would hire? Because of one comment in one press conference about liking defensive coaches? That's an awful lot of wild speculation.
Agree 💯.
Good article. Thanks for posting the link.
Excellent article. This should be required reading on BBI before anyone posts anything about not wanting him because of what happened in Denver.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Cant wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants CEO type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
Secondly you do not have to be a defensive coach to have a team with a good or even great defense. Brian Billick was an offensive coach that had a team with the great defense with the Ravens. Coughlin was an offensive coach who won two superbowl because of a good defense. Especially 2007. and in fact the 2008 defense was actually quite good as well. Gary Kubiak was an offensive coach with a TOP defense.
So you dont need to have a defensive head coach to be a good defensive team. You DO need a Good DC and staff of coaches AND good players.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Cant wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants CEO type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
Absolutely none of that addresses how Shurmur could have simply impressed Gettleman more in his interview.
That is a great article.
Addresses how far the man has grown and I love that he made the lessons learned excel.
I knew there was a reason I liked you!
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McDaniels was a fiasco.
He was also 33 years old. Now he is 41. I'd hope learned a lot since then.
I'm 41, and I'm a hell of a lot better at what I do now professionally than when I was 33. Experience and failure are fantastic teachers.
I do hope he has learned from his first go around as a head coach and if he has I believe he will be a solid hire. Although Ive always dreamed about getting B.B. back where he started
Is that a correct summation? Am I missing something? Have any of the asshats said they know the actual name, but aren't revealing it out of respect for their source? Because if I'm not missing anything, then the logic that concludes it's McDaniels is faulty. I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but you can't conclude it's him based on the day it happened. As others have pointed out, the agreement could've been made between the team and Shurmur's agent and/or Shurmur could've demanded radio silence on it because he didn't want to create a distraction on game day.
Not really a correct summation. Much more hints at it being McD. Like hitdog asking why McD was ruled out. Also JonC indirectly pointing to McD's name by telling people it was correct logic to consider McD.
Check out pages 4 and 5 I think.
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why are people ruling out mcdaniels?
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RE: Connect the dots
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In comment 13788614 Sean said:
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Correct logic.
Joey - too damn
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going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
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going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
This doesn't mean he is the better choice, just that it looks that way on paper.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
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But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
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But have any of the asshats claimed that they know who the new head coach is? It seemed to me like all they know is that there is an agreement with the new guy, but not who the new guy is.
If you go back & read the first 4-5 pages.Eric,hitdog,JonC all insinuate through matter of elimination ,that it's McDaniels Obviously, they don't want to outright announce what they've been told since they'd be giving up their sources. But, it you read the posts,it's not hard to understand who they believe the "new guy" to be!
Did any of them say they know who it is? I got the impression that they only know that there is a new guy, but not who it actually is and that they are merely speculating that it's McDaniels. It's possible that all of their sources only know that the Giants have ended the search and are operating as if an agreement has been reached with someone. If I were someone in middle management at Giants HQ I could see how it would be possible to know that Gettleman and Mara have ended the search but not know who they decided on.
If you're looking for a "It is McDaniels" quote,it's not there! However, it doesn't take Columbo to figure out what is being insinuated. Also, I'd find it beyond ridiculous that DG & JM would "end" a search w/o knowing who their next coach is!
That said everyone has been burned and then criticized in the past, so seemed like caution rather than not knowing.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source. JonC has done this with many things in the past including our draft picks. You are going to have to wait like the rest of us.
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Eric said he got it from two sources.
Did he claim he got a name from two sources or just that he heard there was a new sheriff in town? GiantGrit, who started the thread, came out and said from the start that all he knew was that a new guy had been hired, but that he didn't know who it was. And Eric followed by saying he had heard the same thing from two different sources. Well, if he heard the same thing, then he is merely speculating on who it might be. And JonC never claimed to know who it was either, only that in his mind logic dictated that it was McDaniels. But his logic was rather weak (no offense, JonC) and didn't include a variety of alternative possibilities.
I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but until one of the asshats comes out and says they know who it is but can't reveal the name, it all seems like speculation. I guess the question goes to Eric and JonC and hitdog: have your sources given you the name of the new coach?
Milton, Doesn't look like you'll be happy until Mara is at the podium. I & others have explained to you what was insinuated,why those in the know won't specifically name the person,we've pointed you to the pages where the info was given & you still keep asking the same questions. Since it seems you don't want to have any faith in 3 of the most respected posters on BBI,wait for the Mara PC!
If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
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If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Youre ruining this thread. Either you believe whats being said or you dont. Leave it at that
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If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Milton, trust me when I say that JonC, Eric, and hitdog have an impeccable track record with this sort of thing. They are giving us what they can and letting us fill in the blanks.The reasons why should be obvious. Be skeptical if you like, just stop being willfully dense.
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If they said they definitive knew and then hinted at who it is, then theyd be going against the wishes of their source.
But what makes you so sure they definitively know? They've never claimed that their sources gave them a name. And the guy who started the thread specifically says he doesn't know the name. The fact that Eric said he was hearing the same thing only means that he was hearing the search was over. Why be coy? Why pretend you only have half of the information when you have all of it?
I don't mean to be a dick about it, but giving me all sorts of reasons why Eric and JonC would take us to the goal line but stop short of the end zone isn't very convincing. It strikes me as just more speculation based on less than compelling logic.
Give it a rest man. I'm not sure about anything. I just don't see the point in demanding answers. They aren't going to give them to you, nor should they if they have legit sources. I get that you just want to know, everyone does, but if they give any more info than they might as well just flat out tell us (which isn't going to happen).
Youre ruining this thread. Either you believe whats being said or you dont. Leave it at that
I'm trying to determine if the conclusion that it is McDaniels is based on speculation or asshat info. None of the asshats have claimed to know the name of the new guy, but they've claimed to know that there is in fact a new guy. JonC, in particular, said he thought it was McDaniels based on logic, not insider info (and it was rather faulty logic). And Eric merely said not to rule out McDaniels, which is something he would've said even if he didn't know who the new coach was.
Not sure why you need them to write the words "it's mcdaniels"
Your reading comprehension is bad go back and read it again
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
Eric was clear that he was not hearing Wilks or Patricia as being the decision - With Shurmur coaching the final four got whittled to one.
Now - it could be a dark horse, or Shurmur's people could have agreed to a "wink wink" offer yesterday (and I don't think anyone is saying yesterday was the day of the agreement) but you are correct. No asshat on this thread has come out and said who WILL be the coach, just who will not and our inference.
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who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
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who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
Wilks?
where did i say that? I'm just saying that asking for info in a thread that attracts attention, is probably not going to result in much color/dialogue-
there were things posted 6 hours before this thread started.
I should have added /s at the end of that post. Just having a play-on-words bit of fun with your post.
Actually hotdog on another thread made it very clear who it was and so did Jonc on this thread...
Also if you read erics comments he makes it very clear
Milton, if you actually took the time to read through this thread (especially page 4 and 5 as was stated), then you would be able to come to your own conclusions.
I will spell it out for you....
The thread starter stated...
We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach
Not hearing Patricia or Wilks.
I'm not going to go more into this because one source is a guy who I'm not familiar with. The other is someone I am familiar with. But nothing is set in stone and I've seen how you guys get when the situation changes. You tend to go ballistic against the messenger.
I will only say I've heard from two separate sources the same thing.
Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
I've never been a fan of McDaniels, but hopefully he has grown and learned as that article stated. Thanks to the code talkers and code breakers.
Not sure why you need them to write the words "it's mcdaniels"
Given this fact, speculation naturally followed re: who the new head coach was. And Eric and JonC participated in the speculation, at no time given any indication that what they were saying was anything more than speculation. The speculation followed two different lines of thinking, one which led to the conclusion that it was McDaniels, another which led to the conclusion it was Shurmur. I found the logic behind it being Shurmur to be more convincing than the logic behind it being McDaniels, but that's neither here nor there, none of the logic was conclusive.
But some seem to interpret Eric's and JonC's speculation as being hints, assuming they knew more than they ever claimed to know. And that's why I asked in my original comment if there was a comment that I might've missed in which either of the two had given any indication that a name had been passed on to them. In response to that question, all I've received is more speculation about hidden motives that Eric or JonC would have for only revealing half of the information they had been given. So just more speculation and none of it remotely conclusive.
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Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
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Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
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Eric and giantgrit have both heard that we have a new head coach. Giantgrit does not know who and Eric says he heard the same thing (that we have a new coach). Eric is not saying who (either he doesn't know or just not saying until he feels more confident in the information).
Eric is also saying that he is not hearing Wilks or Patricia in the information he is hearing. Again, he is only saying who he is not hearing. He is not revealing who he is hearing, because of the garbage that comes off on this board if anything changes.
Since the giants interviewed 5 coaches (shurmur, Wilks, Patricia, McDaniels and studesville), it is being assumed by eliminating Patricia and Wilks that it is either shurmur or McDaniels. Again, it's all speculation and trying to connect the dots.
So you're in agreement with me! No reason at this point to conclude that Eric or JonC know the name of the new head coach. Logic dictates it's either Shurmur or McDaniels, but logic takes you no further than that.
This is a decent point, and I am not sure why you are being chastised. Based on the "asshat's" crumbs, we are down to Shurmur and McDaniels, with no good evidence to suggest a lean one way or another (although like you, I believe it's more of a Shurmur lean)
Take hitdog advice and go to a thread that is not obvious and you will see who he says will be head coach..
what an ass..lol
Wilks or Shurmur. Not McDaniels.
Wilks or Shurmur. Not McDaniels.
Hope like hell that you're right
So some of you saying McDaniels... other's agreeing but saying that if it's Shurmur you would have no clue... other's saying Wilks and Shurmur but NOT McDaniels....
As someone who just registered, it's really hard to decipher what's BS and what's not lol....
Probably should just take it to another thread. I'm with you though, too much here is inferred while not truly implied.
I think it's less them fearing getting something wrong and more the fact that a lot of people around here are flaming assholes about this kind of stuff.
Wilks or Shurmur. Not McDaniels.
Too many asshats spoil the broth.
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Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
I think it's less them fearing getting something wrong and more the fact that a lot of people around here are flaming assholes about this kind of stuff.
I personally don't want McDaniels or Wilks, Shurmur I have no opinion on yet. I think it takes a certain type of personality and demeanor to be good at this and I don't see that in either of those guys. Wilks seems like a yes man and McDaniels still gets in tiffs with Tom Brady like a 10 year old. Now Munchak breaks free, which means one more opening but also maybe one more candidate?
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Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
I think it's less them fearing getting something wrong and more the fact that a lot of people around here are flaming assholes about this kind of stuff.
It's more about being careful with what is shared and when, especially when things get relayed to places like Twitter.
There was no confirmation given, we each shared hearing what the chatter was yesterday. Without a confirmed deal signed the situation is fluid.
Given this morning's news out of Tennessee, am I right to assume that what you guys Eric, JonC, hotdog, etc..) were hearing yesterday is no longer applicable? Or would you not completely write that off yet?
Now the info shared yesterday alluded to the fact that we were in agreement w/someone & the coaching search was over.We used to call that a Gentleman's Agreement. However if this agreement was broken,the Giants have no recourse in this matter.It's why anyone w/"asshat"info on BBI is very careful on how & what they share as they have no control of that situation going forward. It's why I appreciate people like JonC,Eric & hitdog still,in spite of the assholes who react to asshats info if it doesn't come true,trying to tell us what they have heard.Please don't stop fellas,it's one of the great things about BBI.You can only control what you can control & for the majority of us it is greatly appreciated!
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Hinting dont want to get it wrong for fear of ruining some track record. Its like a surgeon turning down a risky surgery that can mess up his or her rating. Hand me the scalpel, the source that two of the people mentioned repeatedly on this thread are the same guy. Its the same guy who shares with me, only I generally stay away from the breaking news thing because well I really dont care to be first or seen as clued in. The same guy who told two of those people told me he heard it was McDaniels. He could be wrong, the information may change based on last nights game, people change their minds, which is why those hearing things refuse to speak out of turn in case they are wrong. Ultimately who gives a fart, I heard Josh McDaniels from the same guy.
So some of you saying McDaniels... other's agreeing but saying that if it's Shurmur you would have no clue... other's saying Wilks and Shurmur but NOT McDaniels....
As someone who just registered, it's really hard to decipher what's BS and what's not lol....
These situations are very fluid. It could be that team is settled on Candidate A and then the contract negotiations become a headache and the team or the Candidate moves on or threatens to move on, it could be that team and Candidate A are all on board but the Cadidate's family objects or wants to move closer to home or other family and Candidate A balks, it could be a team or an agent spreading disinformation or trying to create some buzz in the fanbase in one direction or another.
Unfortunately, there are some posters who do not comprehend this and want a "scoop". They pile on immediately in many cases and start scorekeeping as though someone guaranteed them something. The net result of this idiocy is posters say nothing or leave rather than put up with the bullshit.
Personally, if Jawn Mara walked up to me, furnished ID and told me who the next coach was, I wouldn't say a word on here because it isn't worth the nonsense.
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opened the can of worms yesterday.
Now the info shared yesterday alluded to the fact that we were in agreement w/someone & the coaching search was over.We used to call that a Gentleman's Agreement. However if this agreement was broken,the Giants have no recourse in this matter.It's why anyone w/"asshat"info on BBI is very careful on how & what they share as they have no control of that situation going forward. It's why I appreciate people like JonC,Eric & hitdog still,in spite of the assholes who react to asshats info if it doesn't come true,trying to tell us what they have heard.Please don't stop fellas,it's one of the great things about BBI.You can only control what you can control & for the majority of us it is greatly appreciated!
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opened the can of worms yesterday.
Given this morning's news out of Tennessee, am I right to assume that what you guys Eric, JonC, hotdog, etc..) were hearing yesterday is no longer applicable? Or would you not completely write that off yet?
I've heard nothing new today, but the chatter on tv about the Titans gig opening up potentially changing things.
TheMick, great post!
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McDaniels is a virtual lock to be Colts next head coach. Patricia going to Detroit. Shurmur heading to NYG. Leaves AZ/TEN needing HCs...
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It would be easier (and imo better to read through the threads) if the asshats were a little clearer about what they've heard.
Whatever - this is admittedly pretty petty stuff to get in a twist about, but then it might help us read through fewer posts trying to decipher what seems like purposefully confusing prose.
(I've also heard they've reached an agreement, but I can't say with who) is so much clearer than (I've also heard they've reached an agreement, but my people don't know who with).
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
I didnt make the thread to be selfish. People have been going crazy (myself included) to know who the new coach will be. It is a worrisome time, but an exciting time too. Personally, i love coming here and reading when you or the other credible guys relay what you hear. Whether you discreetly put something in a different thread, or give it its own thread, its being put out there regardless.
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who only look for color under threads titled Asshat, usually will miss a lot of the color.
people who have color dont enjoy making anything obvious, as that would be quite selfish/stupid to do.
I didnt make the thread to be selfish. People have been going crazy (myself included) to know who the new coach will be. It is a worrisome time, but an exciting time too. Personally, i love coming here and reading when you or the other credible guys relay what you hear. Whether you discreetly put something in a different thread, or give it its own thread, its being put out there regardless.
Wasnt directed at you
Your thread is fine
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Tom Quinn.
Not gonna happen, but I'd laugh if, after all the wild speculation and hand-wringing, the Giants somehow landed Belichick. I'd laugh even harder if both Patricia and McDaniels got jobs elsewhere and left the Pats holding the bag.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
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says we're getting BB.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Belichick isn't coming. Let it go.
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says we're getting BB.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Belichick isn't coming. Let it go.
Arc - We will see what happens. I understand where you are coming from - it does sound too good to be true. Thanks for being polite and not being a dick. "beELIve it and it will happen." m strahan
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"YOU KNOW HOW TO PLAY WINNING HARD-NOSED FOOTBALL? YOU PLAY FOOTBALL LIKE ED GENERRO PLAYED FOOTBALL. A guy who gave his life for this football team. He was a 140-pound halfback, and HE PLAYED LIKE A GODDAMN WILDMAN! NO! LIKE A GODDAMN RAMPAGING BEAST! And that's the way you got to do it! YOU GO OUT THERE! YOU TEAR THEIR FUCKING HEADS OFF, AND YOU SHIT DOWN THEIR NECKS! Let us pray."
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says we're getting BB.
Still true. That is why the Giants have said they are not doing any wink wink agreements. If McDaniel and Patricia are out some are ASSUMING that means Shurmer.
Belichick isn't coming. Let it go.
Arc - We will see what happens. I understand where you are coming from - it does sound too good to be true. Thanks for being polite and not being a dick. "beELIve it and it will happen." m strahan
I'm just not sure what is making you so confident in this.
All indications are that Shurmur is the guy and if not for the miracle play to Diggs last night, it would probably be official right about now.
Of course, until it is final, it is not final.
But I think the Giants are pretty intent on offering him the job and by all accounts, he plans on accepting it.