We have our new HC. Do not know who yet. I know its not exactly groundbreaking information but i figured i would share...my assumption is its Wilks, but that is a guess. Either way, we apparently have our new coach.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and he’s admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good he’s done?
The perfect candidate doesn’t exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and he’s admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good he’s done?
The perfect candidate doesn’t exist.
My one problem with hiring McD is that we will have to listen to these twits ramble about Tebow for his entire coaching career.
He is as good a candidate as any, and this being his second outing hopefully he has learned a bit.
that LB corps has been the highlight of their defense for years. Their Line had a good year this year but they’ve dealt with massive LB injuries over the years and still make it work.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I can’t speak to that. But there’s probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
Also maybe we could have good Linebackers again!!
Exactly. Or, maybe they start to put at least somewhat of a better emphasis on drafting/signing quality LBs again? Couldn't hurt.
how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and he’s admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good he’s done?
The perfect candidate doesn’t exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
If it's McDaniels I think one factor in his selection would be Gettleman asking him about the Giants using their #2 on a QB and the Giants believing he would be a good offensive coach to develop him.
We will hear the idiots complain about everything Â
Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And I’m not taking about an1 season sample size I’m talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
I like McDaniels specifically because he was once fired as a HC Â
And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
So, is there a consensus how reliable this info is? Â
And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And I’m not taking about an1 season sample size I’m talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
I wasn't saying their LB coach wasn't good. I objected to your lumping the O line coach in with him.
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And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
Yawn
Or you can view it as taking the fucking job he had in front of him after losing his previous job.
But Belichick also wasn't a tire fire of a head coach, either. He had the rug pulled out from him by Modell in 1995 which torpedoed the Browns season. McDaniels didn't have any such excuses in Denver. He was Ben McAdoo there before there was a Ben McAdoo.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
I won't argue that Belichick was far better in his first gig than McDaniels was in his, but I do personally believe there is something to getting a second chance after failing the first time. It's not guaranteed you will be any better, as there are plenty of examples of second chance coaches who failed again. But I feel there is something valuable in self evaluation and getting an opportunity to correct past mistakes or try something a different way, when given a second chance.
But Belichick also wasn't a tire fire of a head coach, either. He had the rug pulled out from him by Modell in 1995 which torpedoed the Browns season. McDaniels didn't have any such excuses in Denver. He was Ben McAdoo there before there was a Ben McAdoo.
What you said about 95 destroying their season is true, but him getting run out of Cleveland on a rail wasn't just about 95. He was under .500 for four years with Cleveland going in to '95.
There's a difference between failing and being a fiasco Â
No, I agree with that. Not making excuses for him. I do think coaches learn by experience though. It was always a bad idea to hire someone that young and give him both jobs, coach and personnel. I don't believe anyone succeeds at that without a lot of experience.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
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from his first HC experience and how to improve upon. Link - ( New Window )
Thanks for the link. Makes me feel better since it sounds like he was a bit humbled from his Denver experience and determined to learn from it. I'd imagine a decent chunk of his NYG interview was about what went wrong in Denver and what his takeaways were. If he's the guy then obviously Mara and Gettleman liked what they heard which is encouraging.
for reasons beyond them personally. Yes, I recognize both have accomplished a lot as coordinators, but I don’t think that’s why either one would be hired here.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
for reasons beyond them personally. Yes, I recognize both have accomplished a lot as coordinators, but I don’t think that’s why either one would be hired here.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
Did you consult a Ouija board or something? How the hell would you know who he would hire? Because of one comment in one press conference about liking defensive coaches? That's an awful lot of wild speculation.
Not “take this as written gospel” but either way there was a lot of evidence to draw that conclusion.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Can’t wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants “CEO” type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
I do not ascribe to the myth that DG prefers a defensive coach Â
this is a misnomer based on his comment that defenses win championships. People have taken this to mean that he wants a defensive coach. First off Its not totally his decision who the coach is. That will ultimately be agreed upon by ownership and DG.
Secondly you do not have to be a defensive coach to have a team with a good or even great defense. Brian Billick was an offensive coach that had a team with the great defense with the Ravens. Coughlin was an offensive coach who won two superbowl because of a good defense. Especially 2007. and in fact the 2008 defense was actually quite good as well. Gary Kubiak was an offensive coach with a TOP defense.
So you dont need to have a defensive head coach to be a good defensive team. You DO need a Good DC and staff of coaches AND good players.
Not “take this as written gospel” but either way there was a lot of evidence to draw that conclusion.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Can’t wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants “CEO” type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
Absolutely none of that addresses how Shurmur could have simply impressed Gettleman more in his interview.
dg was fighting up hill with wilks unless he blew the other candidates Â
Now we have to be patient and wait for Giants to announce. Eric probably has a pretty good idea but obviously can’t be seen as a guy leaking information nor should he.
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He was working with a few other QB’s when Brady went down a few times over the years and the Pats did surprisingly well in his absence. Also I like the way the Pats offense seemingly reinvents itself week to week. And there talent at the skill positions aside from TE hasn’t been incredible. If anyone here plays fantasy football you now how frustrating it can be to have one of there RBs or WRs on your squad. In fact sometimes one of these guys has a big week and doesn’t even see the field the next week.
I do hope he has learned from his first go around as a head coach and if he has I believe he will be a solid hire. Although I’ve always dreamed about getting B.B. back where he started
My understanding is that multiple sources have told Eric, GiantGrit, hitdog, and/or JonC that the Giants came to an agreement with one of the head coaching candidates, but none of them know the actual name. The rest is just people speculating that it's Josh McDaniels based only on the fact that Shurmur's team was playing on the day the agreement occurred.
Is that a correct summation? Am I missing something? Have any of the asshats said they know the actual name, but aren't revealing it out of respect for their source? Because if I'm not missing anything, then the logic that concludes it's McDaniels is faulty. I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but you can't conclude it's him based on the day it happened. As others have pointed out, the agreement could've been made between the team and Shurmur's agent and/or Shurmur could've demanded radio silence on it because he didn't want to create a distraction on game day.
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My understanding is that multiple sources have told Eric, GiantGrit, hitdog, and/or JonC that the Giants came to an agreement with one of the head coaching candidates, but none of them know the actual name. The rest is just people speculating that it's Josh McDaniels based only on the fact that Shurmur's team was playing on the day the agreement occurring
Not really a correct summation. Much more hints at it being McD. Like hitdog asking why McD was ruled out. Also JonC indirectly pointing to McD's name by telling people it was correct logic to consider McD.
From page 4 in case you want the whole thing in context:
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why are people ruling out mcdaniels?
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.
The perfect candidate doesn’t exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
The perfect candidate doesn’t exist.
My one problem with hiring McD is that we will have to listen to these twits ramble about Tebow for his entire coaching career.
He is as good a candidate as any, and this being his second outing hopefully he has learned a bit.
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that LB corps has been the highlight of their defense for years. Their Line had a good year this year but they’ve dealt with massive LB injuries over the years and still make it work.
No idea about the lack of advancement so I can’t speak to that. But there’s probably no better facility in the nfl and maybe the perks have just been really good over the years working in Dallas.
Also maybe we could have good Linebackers again!!
Exactly. Or, maybe they start to put at least somewhat of a better emphasis on drafting/signing quality LBs again? Couldn't hurt.
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Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
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how long will he have to suffer the Tebow pick? It was a long fucking time ago and he’s admitted previous mistakes. Should he never coach again because of it? What about all the good he’s done?
The perfect candidate doesn’t exist.
I think Tebow was a result of McDaniels' ego. He had to have learned from his mistakes. If he has a lot of say in the choice for the #2 pick I could see McDaniels pushing hard for Josh Allen.
If it's McDaniels I think one factor in his selection would be Gettleman asking him about the Giants using their #2 on a QB and the Giants believing he would be a good offensive coach to develop him.
McDaniels has almost a decade more experience since taking Tebow. People need to get over it.
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Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And I’m not taking about an1 season sample size I’m talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
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Not wild about his preferred DC. Link - ( New Window )
Why, their LB unit is arguably the best unit on the team other than the OL.
And their O line was so good this year, they fired their O line coach and are interviewing Mike Solari
They had injuries. And I’m not taking about an1 season sample size I’m talking about the LBing coaches career. Over the past 5+ years their LBers and OL have been the highlight of the team.
I wasn't saying their LB coach wasn't good. I objected to your lumping the O line coach in with him.
When hitdog and JonC point us in the same direction, I listen.
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And went back to Belichick. You would have to think he talked over the mistakes he made with Belichick and asked Belichick to compare them to his own mistakes in Cleveland. Not to mention you would also have to think he picked BB's brain on how and what he did different once he got his second chance.
So I do think there is something to that and I like that aspect of it.
You can view it this way....or you can view it that he went running home to Daddy because he's useless away from Belichick.
Yawn
Or you can view it as taking the fucking job he had in front of him after losing his previous job.
I think the phrase of the day is "shithole"
What you said about 95 destroying their season is true, but him getting run out of Cleveland on a rail wasn't just about 95. He was under .500 for four years with Cleveland going in to '95.
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No, I agree with that. Not making excuses for him. I do think coaches learn by experience though. It was always a bad idea to hire someone that young and give him both jobs, coach and personnel. I don't believe anyone succeeds at that without a lot of experience.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
He was also 33 years old. Now he is 41. I'd hope learned a lot since then.
Thanks for the link. Makes me feel better since it sounds like he was a bit humbled from his Denver experience and determined to learn from it. I'd imagine a decent chunk of his NYG interview was about what went wrong in Denver and what his takeaways were. If he's the guy then obviously Mara and Gettleman liked what they heard which is encouraging.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
I really believe Mara in his infinite wisdom feels that he will avoid McAdoo part 2 IF ONLY they hire a guy with HC experience. The truth is, even if we look passed the actual record of those guys, neither served as HC longer than 2 seasons. Hardly a wealth of experience.
Bottom line, I wanted Dave Gettleman to make this decision. If he did, I believe 100% we would be going with Wilks or Patricia. I did not want John Mara to make this decision, and with McDaniels (if true) or Shurmur, I feel like he has.
Did you consult a Ouija board or something? How the hell would you know who he would hire? Because of one comment in one press conference about liking defensive coaches? That's an awful lot of wild speculation.
Agree 💯.
Good article. Thanks for posting the link.
Excellent article. This should be required reading on BBI before anyone posts anything about not wanting him because of what happened in Denver.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Can’t wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants “CEO” type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
Secondly you do not have to be a defensive coach to have a team with a good or even great defense. Brian Billick was an offensive coach that had a team with the great defense with the Ravens. Coughlin was an offensive coach who won two superbowl because of a good defense. Especially 2007. and in fact the 2008 defense was actually quite good as well. Gary Kubiak was an offensive coach with a TOP defense.
So you dont need to have a defensive head coach to be a good defensive team. You DO need a Good DC and staff of coaches AND good players.
All stuff that has been said by or reported about DG.
-Prefers defensive coach
-Can’t wait to get Wilks in front of NYG ownership
-DG and Patricia hit it off during interview process
-Wants “CEO” type to command a locker room (Wilks reputation league wide)
-Wilks only candidate Tisch is present for interview
But yea I pulled that belief out of my ass.
Absolutely none of that addresses how Shurmur could have simply impressed Gettleman more in his interview.
That is a great article.
Addresses how far the man has grown and I love that he made the lessons learned excel.
I knew there was a reason I liked you!
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McDaniels was a fiasco.
He was also 33 years old. Now he is 41. I'd hope learned a lot since then.
I'm 41, and I'm a hell of a lot better at what I do now professionally than when I was 33. Experience and failure are fantastic teachers.
I do hope he has learned from his first go around as a head coach and if he has I believe he will be a solid hire. Although I’ve always dreamed about getting B.B. back where he started
Is that a correct summation? Am I missing something? Have any of the asshats said they know the actual name, but aren't revealing it out of respect for their source? Because if I'm not missing anything, then the logic that concludes it's McDaniels is faulty. I'm not saying it isn't McDaniels, but you can't conclude it's him based on the day it happened. As others have pointed out, the agreement could've been made between the team and Shurmur's agent and/or Shurmur could've demanded radio silence on it because he didn't want to create a distraction on game day.
Not really a correct summation. Much more hints at it being McD. Like hitdog asking why McD was ruled out. Also JonC indirectly pointing to McD's name by telling people it was correct logic to consider McD.
Check out pages 4 and 5 I think.
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why are people ruling out mcdaniels?
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RE: Connect the dots
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It is reported there are 3 finalists..
1. Patricia is reportedly going to DET
2. Shurmur is coaching right now
3. McDaniels is available after last nights game.
The timing of this leads to McDaniels.
Correct logic.
Joey - too damn
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going back to NE to continue your career, learn more (especially from your mistakes) and grow as a coach can only be seen as a pussy move by someone with an axe to grind. Should he have taken a job with Cleveland or the Jets or any number of other shitty franchises?
the concern is he has only really been successful in one place with one coach and one HOF QB.
McDaniels would not be my first choice of those they have interviewed. Shurmur would be. Though many people thought highly of JM as a head coach when he was young and apparently not ready. He has had many years to learn and grow and I would suspect he is better prepared now. So I don't have an objection to him even if not my first choice because WTF does some fan like me know about it anyway.
It's not that I don't understand some of the concerns, but who are all these candidates that have been successful with more than one team? Yes, McD only had success in NE...winning multiple Superbowls.
I get being clenched over this, but he clearly has the best resume even with the Denver fiasco.